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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 08:39 AM
OK, I'm a newbie, but not a hopeless one. My primary flight sim experience is wing commander and Commanche vs Hokum. None of these involved wing stalls and the like.

As the manuel pretty well sucks, can anyone recommend a good place to learn this stuff?

XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 08:39 AM
OK, I'm a newbie, but not a hopeless one. My primary flight sim experience is wing commander and Commanche vs Hokum. None of these involved wing stalls and the like.

As the manuel pretty well sucks, can anyone recommend a good place to learn this stuff?

XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 08:46 AM
Run the trainingtracks that came with the game and check out the section Guides at this site:

http://www.mudmovers.com/Sims/FB/il2_fb.htm

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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 09:07 AM
Manuel is a good feller once you get to know him. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 09:34 AM
If you also play online the best thing you can do is join an online Squadron.

They will teach you all you need to know.

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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 09:35 AM
Jose has a good squad, also another good guy. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 09:37 AM
He`s right about the manual. There`s almost nothing to help a noob off the ground,,,



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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 09:54 AM
Well,

your are in for a LOT of reading ?

If so try this - all based on original WWI training manuals:

http://www.icaghq.com/icaghq/Flight%20School/flight-training.html

Appologies for the plug ...

Cheers
Snip

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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 03:56 PM
Man, why bash Manuel? He's a good guy, he can't help it he's from Barcelona.


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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 05:55 PM
Fawlty Towers reference??? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


oFZo wrote:
- Man, why bash Manuel? He's a good guy, he can't help
- it he's from Barcelona.
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- 'Smoke and a pancake?'



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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2003, 07:37 PM
I thought the manuel was ok, but it didnt really give very much detail about tactics as i would have liked. The training missions are just movies, so you have to learn by experience (I learned from quick mission builder).

michapma
08-14-2003, 07:39 PM
Hi, and welcome to the community. /i/smilies/16x16_robot-happy.gif


Some of what you are looking for you might find by clicking on my sig.

There is probably more than you want to know about stalls, and I am still working on the section on spin recovery, but there is some stuff there already. The best thing is to learn to avoid them.

Cheers,
Mike

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XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 04:13 AM
Where do I find the training tracks that came with the game to help me with the manual?

XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 04:41 AM
Maneul flys planes. He learned it from a booook.

:-)

But seriously, the manual in the box is kind of crappy. Make sure you "open" the CD (when it is in your computer,not in the physical world) because there is an "advanced" manual there in the form of a PDF. It's still not great, but it's better.

You can find a pretty decent manual in Microsoft's Combat Flight Simulator 2. It's a nice chunky book and explains the basics of flight as well as some more advanced stuff. Of course the details of what buttons to push and such won't be relevant. If a friend has MSCFS2, ask to borrow the manual. Or you might want to pick it up on e-bay. I se plenty of copies on there for about US$10.00. It's not a bad sim, either. Better than CFS3 but not nearly as good as IL2FB.

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XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 04:48 AM
Fly, fly, fly, then fly some more, its the only way to get good, then better.

XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 04:50 AM
as soon as you start and get your first screen the one after you hit esc there is on the panel the word TRAINING. click that you will learn a little but there will be no substitute for the lots and lots of practice you will need to fly, practice you will hear that alot from the people here practice practice practice. good luck

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XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 04:51 AM
RVP2310

Try clicking on the Training button.

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XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 05:14 AM
Training? Why in the hell would you ever need to go to that?

Its so easy to learn the dynamics of the FM, dogfighting, dive bombing, and everything else in this sim.

Just fly, and teach yourself.

XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 05:37 AM
The best place to learn is in the cockpit. You didn't learn how to f*#k from a manuel did you?
Seriously man,try the QMB and set up some easy planes to shoot down like a Pe 8 or TB 3.

XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 05:38 AM
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/Tailspin/index.htm
http://www.combatsim.com/
http://www.sturmovik.com/dogdis.htm
http://luthier.stormloader.com/home.html
http://tailslide.firelight.dynip.com/
http://srm.racesimcentral.com/il2.shtml

That should keep you busy. Bring your questions to the forum. Welcome...good luck.

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eskimo-FHmod
08-21-2003, 06:11 PM
i agree, the printed manual was pretty uselss. however the pdf files gave a great basic idea on what to do and what not to do.
i remember the days when i impatiently waited for my copy to arrive. so desperate i asked to mail the pdfs in order to have something to read on the train to and from work http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
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XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 06:18 PM
I first learned some of the basics by shooting down bombers, this taught me to steer and to think spacially where the other guys were, as well as staying steady and deflection shooting.

After that, I used a plane with a very good turning circle and an ok engine (I would recommend the I-16) and started doing dogfights. This was hard for me in the beginning because I would follow my target everywhere with my crosshair, and that ended me up in lots of stalls.

Hang in there.

-McTriggerhappy

XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 06:57 PM
Try the pdf manual on the CD, it's 100% better than the skimpy thing in the box, although still not great. Pleeeeaaase to not waste your time with the so-called training missions for FB. They are a complete waste of CD and disk space since you just sit a watch a scripted activity. I don't see how anyone could learn anything from those.

Best advice is to start a quick missions, find an easy and relatively unforgiving plane (such as the La5 or Brewster), turn off all the complex engine and flight model stuff stuff, and just fly around. Once you've got a handle on that, add the stalls,torque, buffets, etc and see how much you can throw your place around without crashing it. Just for fun try a few harder planes like the Fw190 to get a sense for what can go wrong. Then put a transport like the Li2 or Ju52 out there to try to shoot down, first in a flight from your own side and then as an enemy to get a taste for defensive fire. Don't even think about going after a fighter until you can take the transport down with one quick pass.If your only experience is something like Wing Commander or a simple helicopter sim like Comanche, you will find IL2/FB hard to master, but the rewards are there.

XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 07:37 PM
Eh! My second name is Manuel, and I don't suck at all!!! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 07:53 PM
http://www.phill.co.uk/comedy/fawlty/fawlty08.jpg

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XyZspineZyX
08-21-2003, 07:58 PM
And I'm not from Barcelona!

I'm from Santander, the prettiest city of Spain. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Barcelona sucks...! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif



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