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jbracer
11-07-2004, 11:20 AM
Hola all...
Just getting around to learning about the TrackIR.
Do you users feel its helped or hindered your playing of flight sims (this game specifically)?
Does it knock fps?
Does it move as smooth as the mouse-look?
Since your moving two "axis" at once (joystick to fly at target & head to watch target) does it make it harder to target the enemy plane thats also moving?
The videos on the products' site look cool enuf, just wanted to hear from you guys/gals.
Sorry if there are a ton of other posts on this. I found a few, I just had specific questions.
Thank you in advance...See ya in the Pacific...
Tom (jbracer)

jbracer
11-07-2004, 11:20 AM
Hola all...
Just getting around to learning about the TrackIR.
Do you users feel its helped or hindered your playing of flight sims (this game specifically)?
Does it knock fps?
Does it move as smooth as the mouse-look?
Since your moving two "axis" at once (joystick to fly at target & head to watch target) does it make it harder to target the enemy plane thats also moving?
The videos on the products' site look cool enuf, just wanted to hear from you guys/gals.
Sorry if there are a ton of other posts on this. I found a few, I just had specific questions.
Thank you in advance...See ya in the Pacific...
Tom (jbracer)

BaldieJr
11-07-2004, 11:27 AM
Its good. Get it.

I always loved Tir, but now that I see the simulated war through an LCD I really really really love my TiR http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Jetenginedr
11-07-2004, 11:28 AM
good questions...This trackir seems wild.

Another question...If I have to get up often and leave game to go do whatever, how does this effect the game? if at all..

I would pause it,then get up....

Dutch60
11-07-2004, 11:57 AM
It€s even better than good. Get it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

BaldieJr
11-07-2004, 12:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jetenginedr:
good questions...This trackir seems wild.

Another question...If I have to get up often and leave game to go do whatever, how does this effect the game? if at all..

I would pause it,then get up.... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

One would think that a trip to the outhouse would throw TiR out of sync, but it rarely does. If you do find yourself a bit out of whack just hit the F12 key to recreate center.

I can fly without a joystick but I can't fly without TiR. Seriously.

RevvinUK
11-07-2004, 12:21 PM
I don't like to fly without my TrackIR. I have got up from my PC to make a drink, sat back down and the thing is still centred but as Baldiejr says you can easily re-centre it anyway. To be able to gaze up towards the top of your monitor and track a plane just at the edge of your cockpit canopy smoothly, to glance down at your instruments or to look over your wings with a slight turn of your head makes flying a hell of a lot more enjoyable.

brasil66
11-07-2004, 01:33 PM
I have TIR2, but have never really warmed up to it. You experts...what are you using as a reflector? The hat? A dot on your head?
I feel I"m always adjusting the sensor because I cant see far enough left or right depending on the aircraft.

Any tips so that I'll enjoy it more?

Supr
11-07-2004, 01:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by brasil66:
I have TIR2, but have never really warmed up to it. You experts...what are you using as a reflector? The hat? A dot on your head?
I feel I"m always adjusting the sensor because I cant see far enough left or right depending on the aircraft.

Any tips so that I'll enjoy it more? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I put dots on my own hat, a custom visor hat actually. You just need to work on your profile to make the motion right for you. Just keep tweaking it. Also make sure its not picking up any other ir source, like a window inm the background. Even a heater vent can throw it off. Once you get used to it, you'll wonder how you ever played flight sims without it.

weasel75
11-07-2004, 01:45 PM
I took some rubber-bands from a headlight, attached 3 dots (close together, forming a triangle) to it, and that works just great.

On the HOTAS I have a special recalib-button (have lots of them since I dont need snapview anymore). The recalib centers TrackIR (F12) and in-cockpit-view (Numpad5?).

Recalib is just a matter of split-seconds now http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Barred
11-07-2004, 01:45 PM
For me TIR is the most important thing to happen to sims since the mouse was invented.

For me it has not slowed PF down or if it has it is only a frame. Even that frame is worth losing for the added immersion that TIR adds.

If you do decide to get one do not install the drivers off the CD get them off NaturalPoint's web site. Then change the Motion to Dead Zone then you can move your head a little with out going off centre especially when shooting.

Do ant of the old timers remember the debate "is TIR cheating" when it was first released?

Supr
11-07-2004, 01:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Barred:
Do ant of the old timers remember the debate "is TIR cheating" when it was first released? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Track IR killed the padlock star

RevvinUK
11-07-2004, 02:20 PM
I used to have an elastic headband attached to my stereo headset but now I use speakers more I have a baseball cap with one of the square stickers supplied with the TrackIR stuck on the edge of the peak. I have a custom profile with a little more deadzone added to stop any unwanted head movement whilst zoomed in for gunnery.

DRB_Hookech0
11-07-2004, 02:25 PM
I went out and got a pair of safety glasses and put a dot in the center above the nose.....works like a charm

PriK
11-07-2004, 03:36 PM
By Christmas you will want to be sure to have a TrackIR 3pro and a fresh pair of underwear.

Trust me. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

T_O_A_D
11-07-2004, 03:37 PM
A trip to the can used to be a small problem with the early models. I have TIR3pro now and it has no problem with me getting up and moving around.

The only problem I have with TIR is I can no longer enjoy a flight game that does not support it.

Read my sig and there is more info found there.

jbracer
11-07-2004, 03:46 PM
Wow...
Thanks for the replies...Hmm, Wonder if Santa noticed the naughty things I did this year? I hope not!!
I guess its time to get one...

Thank you all....much appreciated info.
Kind of hard to trust ads...they always love their stuff. Trust the players...

jbracer

PriK
11-07-2004, 03:50 PM
My comment applies to those who already have TIR3pro as well. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BSR_RuGGBuTT
11-07-2004, 04:30 PM
I've tried to play w/out it, and I've found that I know a whole bunch of words that I don't normally use......http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Seriously tho, it's the best thing since a HOTAS setup.

Bikewer
11-07-2004, 05:14 PM
OK, I noticed that PF ships with a discount coupon for TrackIR.
On the site I see that there are several different models.
Should I spring for the "best" one, or do the lower-priced numbers do the job as well?

Coffee999
11-07-2004, 05:25 PM
This is what I did with the reflector dots.

I use 5 of them. I took a had I dedicated to trackir. I cut the front of the bill to make it somewhat flat. Then I build up the center some and super glue 3 dots vertically. Then I place 2 dots on the ends.

This way with the center built up some, when I turn my head, the end dots are still pointing at the reciever.

Works like a charm.

AJM-2K4
11-07-2004, 06:40 PM
buy a track IR, no more questions please :P

jk, I have a trackIR 3 pro with a track hat and its so beautiful, can't fly without it.

BSR_RuGGBuTT
11-07-2004, 07:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bikewer:
I noticed that PF ships with a discount coupon for TrackIR.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOMAC had the same thing, mine cost $100 w/the discount.

Old_Canuck
11-07-2004, 07:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by brasil66:
I have TIR2, but have never really warmed up to it. You experts...what are you using as a reflector? The hat? A dot on your head?
I feel I"m always adjusting the sensor because I cant see far enough left or right depending on the aircraft.

Any tips so that I'll enjoy it more? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm using an IR emitter that's wired onto the boom mike. More betta than a dot on the forehead. Only possible drawback is the little circuit panel could get damaged if it gets between my heel and rudder pedal. Should have had it closer to the plug.

AA_Double_Tap
11-07-2004, 07:59 PM
If I had to fly PF without the TrackIR3Pro, I would be miserable. It is the greatest hardware improvement for simmers since the joystick was invented.(IMHO)

PriK
11-07-2004, 10:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bikewer:
OK, I noticed that PF ships with a discount coupon for TrackIR.
On the site I see that there are several different models.
Should I spring for the "best" one, or do the lower-priced numbers do the job as well? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

TrackIR3 pro, don't go any lower or you may be kicking yourself (hard) in a few weeks or so.

Brock.Landers
11-08-2004, 04:04 AM
It's the next most important purchase after a joystick. Wouldn't 'fly' without one now.

I had all the same question before taking the plunge but none are an issue after.

Buy one, yesterday http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

ampadgog
11-08-2004, 04:23 AM
actualy i cant fly anymore without it...i have tried at a friend of mine and i was thinking...why does he do that to himself....trackIR3pro is the way to go.....when u get used to it there isnt a way back. you will praise us for telling you and naturalpoint for developing ithttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

i just wish i could use it to some FPS also

Brock.Landers
11-08-2004, 05:02 AM
Have to say, I've not found another genre the TrackIR works well with. Did it work with Operation Flashpoint?
There is an interesting application in the soon to be released GTR driving game-
http://www.gtr-game.com/lang.html
- but I tried it out in the demo and it doesn't work for two reasons. 1. they only allow you to turn the drivers head within a narrow (c. 120 degree) field of view for some unknown reason and 2. as with most driving games you'll tire of the in car view very quickly and drop it in favour of the bonnet view where you can actually see where to place the car, a view where TrackIR isn't supported http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif


For flight sims though BUY BUY BUY, it's a match made in heaven. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

AWL_Spinner
11-08-2004, 06:45 AM
TrackIR rocks, no question. Those guys did us all a huge service when they invented it. Although it wasn't originally designed for gaming someone spotted the potential!

Quick related question - IL2 : Original. Did this ever get native support? Just reinstalled it and can get TrackIR to work in mouse emulation mode but not enhanced mode. Have it patched to 1.2.

Cheers, Spinner

Fresshness
11-08-2004, 07:01 AM
as soon as my latest nigerian scam, uhm... oops, I mean legitimate business-deal goes as expected, I will be buying that new TrackIR3 PRO + Hat!

the hat is only $20 and has reflection built into it, what more do you want? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

jamesdietz
11-08-2004, 09:20 AM
I'll add my 2 cents it is absolutely the best go for the Track Ir 3 Pro- wonderful...I'd never go back - esp helpful in Carrier landings....

WholeHawg
11-08-2004, 12:32 PM
I use 25 dots pasted to various locations on my old football helmet. And W/ the built in beercan holders on the side of the helmet and a colostomy bag, I can play for 12 -18 hours without having to get up.

GT182
11-08-2004, 12:48 PM
I bet ya smell funny too WholeHawg.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif LOL {no offense as you said it, so I just couldn't resist}

Question on the IR3 Pro. Can the IR2 profiles be used with the IR3 Pro? Or are they written different using different format or code?

Buzzer1
11-08-2004, 02:17 PM
It works like a dream. You have to give it some time to get used to it though.
Guess it works better on a big screen - sitting reasonably close, compared to a 14" sitting 1m away.
On my 22" it feels very natural - when I want to look ex. left, I have to turn my head slightly left, and so does the view... feels very natural after awhile.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>There is an interesting application in the soon to be released GTR driving game-
http://www.gtr-game.com/lang.html
- but I tried it out in the demo and it doesn't work for two reasons. 1. they only allow you to turn the drivers head within a narrow (c. 120 degree) field of view for some unknown reason and 2. as with most driving games you'll tire of the in car view very quickly and drop it in favour of the bonnet view where you can actually see where to place the car, a view where TrackIR isn't supported <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Totally disagree. GTR's cockpits are marvelous - and any true simmer would only use cockpit view http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif where GTR works very well.
You don't need to turn your head more than abt 60 degrees in a car!: to look in the mirrors - or to look into the apex at tight turns - ex the tight right-hander LaSource at Spa, where one automatically looks to the right and with TrackIR even gets a better chance of hitting the corner correct.
But I agree that in GTR its more of a feature, whereas in flightsims its a neccessity...

Poogie67
11-08-2004, 02:30 PM
Leading up to my purchase of the TIR3 I had doubts just like any skeptical computer sim fan might...how many gadgets are lying on my project room floor because they didn't live up to the hype.
About a month ago I gave in and bought the TRI3 and today...I would NOT fly a flightsim without it!!! I've tried and don't like it at all without my TIR3. It can be embarrassing when the pizza guy asks you what the dot on your forehead is for. :-)

Buy it now.

Brock.Landers
11-08-2004, 03:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Buzzer1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>There is an interesting application in the soon to be released GTR driving game-
http://www.gtr-game.com/lang.html
- but I tried it out in the demo and it doesn't work for two reasons. 1. they only allow you to turn the drivers head within a narrow (c. 120 degree) field of view for some unknown reason and 2. as with most driving games you'll tire of the in car view very quickly and drop it in favour of the bonnet view where you can actually see where to place the car, a view where TrackIR isn't supported <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Totally disagree. GTR's cockpits are marvelous - and any true simmer would only use cockpit view http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif where GTR works very well.
You don't need to turn your head more than abt 60 degrees in a car!: to look in the mirrors - or to look into the apex at tight turns - ex the tight right-hander LaSource at Spa, where one automatically looks to the right and with TrackIR even gets a better chance of hitting the corner correct.
But I agree that in GTR its more of a feature, whereas in flightsims its a neccessity... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You aren't telling me you'd resolutely stick to the cockpit view online though when the majority are (possibly!) kicking your *** with the much more precise hood view. The cockpits are marvelous but the limited field of view totally wrecks the immersion that TrackIR can bring to the party. I love the idea of heading neck and neck into a corner with another car and glancing to the side to see them but it ain't going to happen in GTR any time soon http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Buzzer1
11-08-2004, 04:22 PM
Its just like Il2 imho.
You keep the cockpits there to make the game as realistic as possible.
You also lose a lot of the immersion of actually sitting in and driving a car by viewing from the hood of the car/no cockpit in IL2, imho.
If you want a good view out of the cockpits in GTR, move the view max up and foreward.

In our upcomming GTR-league (I guess) there will be cockpit-only-entries. Not too happy about pick-up races...
Have driven against people in GPL, N2003 etc who don't use cockpit view - and they dont kick my *** http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif - its much more a thing getting to learn and getting used to.
The real drivers don't have unlimited peripheral vision eitherhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

But again: its not necessary to have trackir in GTR - its more a immersion thingie imho.

gates123
11-08-2004, 05:44 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by T_O_A_D:
A trip to the can used to be a small problem with the early models. I have TIR3pro now and it has no problem with me getting up and moving around.



I have used Toads fix for my track ir 2 and its GREAT!. Thanks Toad!

GT182
11-08-2004, 06:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>by Brock.Landers
You aren't telling me you'd resolutely stick to the cockpit view online though when the majority are (possibly!) kicking your *** with the much more precise hood view. The cockpits are marvelous but the limited field of view totally wrecks the immersion that TrackIR can bring to the party. I love the idea of heading neck and neck into a corner with another car and glancing to the side to see them but it ain't going to happen in GTR any time soon <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Really. Then try sitting on the hood or roof of a real auto and drive around. You want real, then sit in the seat. That's what the Tracker is all about..."real".

Tocca4
11-08-2004, 07:52 PM
In GTR, it's easy to change the angle you can look to the sides.
Go to the GTR\UserData\"yourname" folder on your HD. Open the "yourname".plr file.

Scroll down to the [ Graphic Options ] section.
Locate the following:
...............
Glance Angle="1.00000" // Angle to look left/right (yaw) w/ controller in radians (= degrees / 57)
..............

I don't remember what the default setting was.
0.70000 maybe. I changed to 1.00000, this way you can look almost 180 degrees.

I never use anything other than cockpit view in carsims, and i can guarantee you won't be slower in cockpit view. It just takes getting used to!
There are lots of carsims that you can use TIR in now. The following all have enhanced support:
GPL, Nascar2003, F1C, Live for Speed, Richard Burns Rally and GTR.

That said, TIR is by far better in a flightsim.

Brock.Landers
11-09-2004, 02:40 AM
Ah, now those two tweaks sound more like it. I was really impressed with GTR's attention to detail. The inersia and grip modelling is superb. If you can set cockpit only races in the server then sign me up!

I'm just not sure I can hang another peripheral off my poor power supply and it would be a crime to play GTR without a FF back wheel.

stewart12
11-10-2004, 05:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>There are lots of carsims that you can use TIR in now. The following all have enhanced support:
GPL, Nascar2003, F1C, Live for Speed, Richard Burns Rally and GTR <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

How did you get TIR to work in Nascar2003?