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PFflyer
01-17-2007, 01:12 PM
I am a hot-head. I was in an I-16 close on the six of a 109, and another I-16 squeezes right in front of me and starts firing!

Well he wanted action so bad, I gave hims some, and blew him to bits, then continued my fight with the 109.

I just think that when one of your wingmen is on the six of the enemy, your duty is to hang by in case he gets into trouble, and keep an eye out for enemy wingmen, not to barge in in front of him and crowd him out and take over the battle.

After I blew the guy up, I typed into chat to the guy that it made me mad what he did, but of course I was the a sshole, not him.

Well that is it. If someone online blows you out of the air when you do this, I think you deserve it, and I will shoot you. I don't give a f*&()ck about the negative points.

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01-17-2007, 01:19 PM
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waffen-79
01-17-2007, 01:23 PM
well that happened to me from to time to time, that is someone stealing MY Kills, but I still don't get trading -300 for 100 or 10.

I've learnt to be Deadlier and get a fire solution FAST. I'm not merciful and also, I don't let my prey to fly around with a smoke trail.

If you're on pursuit, FINISH him and fast, then move on.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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TheBandit_76
01-17-2007, 01:27 PM
Originally posted by waffen-79:


If you're on pursuit, FINISH him and fast, then move on.

Spoken by a fellow with MkGazzillian Gunpods slung under his sig a/c.

Fly P51s and having kills stolen goes to a a whole new level. Yes, P51 pilots hate Spit pilots as much as the blue fellas do.

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AKA_TAGERT
01-17-2007, 01:35 PM
Originally posted by PFflyer:
I am a hot-head. I was in an I-16 close on the six of a 109, and another I-16 squeezes right in front of me and starts firing!

Well he wanted action so bad, I gave hims some, and blew him to bits, then continued my fight with the 109.

I just think that when one of your wingmen is on the six of the enemy, your duty is to hang by in case he gets into trouble, and keep an eye out for enemy wingmen, not to barge in in front of him and crowd him out and take over the battle.

After I blew the guy up, I typed into chat to the guy that it made me mad what he did, but of course I was the a sshole, not him.

Well that is it. If someone online blows you out of the air when you do this, I think you deserve it, and I will shoot you. I don't give a f*&()ck about the negative points. Lighten Up Francis!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Tully__
01-17-2007, 01:38 PM
Originally posted by PFflyer:
I don't give a f*&()ck about the negative points.

Mind your language, the forum has a filter for a reason. If you have to use non-alphabetic characters to get past the filter you're breaking the rules.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Waldo.Pepper
01-17-2007, 01:45 PM
non-alphabetic characters

Is fookin' still ok? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Seriously who plays for points?

In the above examples, you know you got the kill . Ain't that enough?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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BSS_CUDA
01-17-2007, 01:51 PM
Originally posted by TheBandit_76:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by waffen-79:


If you're on pursuit, FINISH him and fast, then move on.

Spoken by a fellow with MkGazzillian Gunpods slung under his sig a/c.

Fly P51s and having kills stolen goes to a a whole new level. Yes, P51 pilots hate Spit pilots as much as the blue fellas do.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>aint it the truth, 38 drivers hate them just as much. I work my arse off getting good hits on a 109 or 190, knowing that one of thier 1 hit wonder buddies is probably lurking around, so instead of following him all the way into the ground I break off, just to have some noob Ace wanna-be in a Spit fly in and finish him off<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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That was some of the best flying I've seen yet! right up to the part where you got killed.
you NEVER NEVER leave your wingman.

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CMHQ_Rikimaru
01-17-2007, 02:08 PM
I always shot down anyone who steals my kill http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

SeaFireLIV
01-17-2007, 02:08 PM
Yea, people complain about AI taking kills, but they`re just AI with a limited sub-routine. Now when a human-being with a complex organic brain goes and does it to you, there`s really no excuse except for sheer stupidity/ selfishness.

I don`t shoot my friendlies for doing this, but if I were a different type of person, I probably would!

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Rammathorn_
01-17-2007, 02:22 PM
I hate it just as much as the next guy when someone jumps between my plane and a well-earned kill, but shooting the guy will just give him an excuse to shoot you later. Although I never knowingly jump in front of someone, there are times when I don't think it's wrong. Imagine converging on an enemy with a teammate and peeling up and off to keep him covered while he cartwheels around, bleeding speed. After a few minutes, it becomes apparent to you that the enemy is dragging him into hostile territory. Do you dive in and blast the tricky bogey out of the sky, attempt to warn the pilot who you may not even be able to properly identify (no icons), or sit back and wait to be jumped a mile from the other guy's base?

BSS_CUDA
01-17-2007, 02:37 PM
about 6 months ago I was on Warclouds flying with my wingman. I had just worked over a 109 pretty hard and he was smoking pretty bad and was full of holes, not in good shape at all, there was not doubt that he was going to go in, so I broke off to gain some alt and look around, I watched as this guy in a spit dropped in behind my strikin 109, the whole time talking to my wingman on OPEN comms about how he'd probably steal my kill, well he just waited right behind that 109, thinking well maybe I was wrong about this guy and he wouldnt steal it. well right before the guy is about to go down this spit opened up and blew him in half following his with his shots right into the ground. the Irony of it all was, that the whole time I was talking to my wingman about this spit probably stealing my kill. the guy was on coms listening http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif then he had the nerve to say oooh i'm sorry about that I didnt know that it was your kill, I'm like WTH?!?!?! you saw me shoot him up!!!!! this guy sat on this 109's 6 for 30-45 seconds before opening up listening to us the whole time. what a J/A<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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That was some of the best flying I've seen yet! right up to the part where you got killed.
you NEVER NEVER leave your wingman.

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rnzoli
01-17-2007, 03:05 PM
Phew...these posts remind me about the relief that the mandatory team stats give us on the co-op servers. With that, it doesn't matter who shoots down the enemy, because the gained points are shared evenly between the pilot flying for the same side. so stealing a kill will not get any better points for the stealer. The only way to increase his points is to shoot down another aircraft http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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BillyTheKid_22
01-17-2007, 03:07 PM
Originally posted by TheBandit_76:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by waffen-79:


If you're on pursuit, FINISH him and fast, then move on.

Spoken by a fellow with MkGazzillian Gunpods slung under his sig a/c.

Fly P51s and having kills stolen goes to a a whole new level. Yes, P51 pilots hate Spit pilots as much as the blue fellas do.

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VW-IceFire
01-17-2007, 03:10 PM
Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:
about 6 months ago I was on Warclouds flying with my wingman. I had just worked over a 109 pretty hard and he was smoking pretty bad and was full of holes, not in good shape at all, there was not doubt that he was going to go in, so I broke off to gain some alt and look around, I watched as this guy in a spit dropped in behind my strikin 109, the whole time talking to my wingman on OPEN comms about how he'd probably steal my kill, well he just waited right behind that 109, thinking well maybe I was wrong about this guy and he wouldnt steal it. well right before the guy is about to go down this spit opened up and blew him in half following his with his shots right into the ground. the Irony of it all was, that the whole time I was talking to my wingman about this spit probably stealing my kill. the guy was on coms listening http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif then he had the nerve to say oooh i'm sorry about that I didnt know that it was your kill, I'm like WTH?!?!?! you saw me shoot him up!!!!! this guy sat on this 109's 6 for 30-45 seconds before opening up listening to us the whole time. what a J/A
That happens far too often and I know...it makes me so mad...I understand completely what you're talking about. Its moronic and yet these guys still do it.

PFlyer, for the record, I did the same thing...got a 109 smoking from a the seat of a P-51B...109 is going towards the ground...then this other guy comes between us in a P-40 and starts blasting away. So I turn around and blew him away. Usually I'm calm enough to deal with it...but recently its been everywhere for me. At work, home, online, offline, on the road. The world of full of morons and for a while they seemed to be congregating around me.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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RCAF_Irish_403
01-17-2007, 03:15 PM
Originally posted by BillyTheKid_22:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TheBandit_76:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by waffen-79:


If you're on pursuit, FINISH him and fast, then move on.

Spoken by a fellow with MkGazzillian Gunpods slung under his sig a/c.

Fly P51s and having kills stolen goes to a a whole new level. Yes, P51 pilots hate Spit pilots as much as the blue fellas do.

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So true, so so true http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

I've shot down exactly one friendly on purpose.....the dude was intent on killing me. I flashed lights and wagged wings until the situation became desperate and had to light him up in a head-on http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. A 108:0 kill ratio is insignificant next to the power of the Force

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slipBall
01-17-2007, 03:19 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif...he had a wife, and children<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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RCAF_Irish_403
01-17-2007, 03:20 PM
Originally posted by slipBall:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif...he had a wife, and children

i'm sure they will be compensated by the govt.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

Originally posted by marc_hawkins:
Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. A 108:0 kill ratio is insignificant next to the power of the Force

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Gumtree
01-17-2007, 03:21 PM
One of the greatest frustrations I have is when you are booming and zooming an enemy taking bits off him with each pass but not getting lured into loosing all your extra E by the tight turns of your target, then you watch some jerk drop in as you set for another pass, and sit on the tail of the plane that is smoking or worse then finish them off.

Personally I am fine with a team mate shooting my wounded prey if we are working on comms but it really ircks me when a no talent jock tries for the easy kill of a wounded plane that is obviously finished.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Xiolablu3
01-17-2007, 03:28 PM
If your teamamte is in a good position already then COVER him from above.

Its lameness extroidinaire to try and jump in and get the kill before him.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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tomtheyak
01-17-2007, 03:54 PM
Kill the Killstealers!

I used to be happy-go-lucky and would leave peeps alone for killstealing but now I always kill em. If I can find the perp and it was blatant (grey smoke and/or obviously still defensive I let go tho) I blow em away and happily admit it to 'em when they moan. It's the only way for them to learn. They watch carefully next time they barge into a fight and most behave themselves much better.

Perfect example - engaged at @ 3000ft in and out of clouds with a 109 and getting some angles but nothing definitive when another Spit muscles in. Ok, thinks I, well its gonna be whoever lands the fatal blows, if this guy whats to play hardball so be it. After a good deal of twisting and turning the opportunity comes and the 109's fleetingly in my sight! I get some crippling strikes but before I can get position to finish him this other fella swoops in and blows his wing off.

I'm a bit peeved but hey, the guy was still flying and if he's down then all the better.

Then I spot a 110 strafing targets below. Roll down and in and I black smoke his starboard engine with a pretty good deflection burst at longish range and as I close, nail the gunner, but not before the gunner smacks my CSU and sets my engine grey smoke - "Bugger!" thinks I, "but at least the blighter is going in" and I settle in directly behind the 110 to deliver the Coup de Grace when out of nowhere I'm getting 20mm Hispano fire coming around, yes thats around my Spitfire as the cretinous greedy little bugger behind me tries to my claim the kill!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

So enraged was I that as he overshot, I pored one last burst into the 110 setting the starboard wing alight fully, then pulled up and managed to get a 1-in-a thousand 400-500m+ deflection shot into the chap as he runs away! Red mist? No fog here apparently, my gunnery skills seem better when I'm vexed!

There's a sudden outburst over comms (using TeamSpeak2 on server) when he demands to know what's going on.And did he get an earful! He claimed as a 'bomber' a 110 is a free target; now, I'd go with that on a 88 or 111 within reason - they're buggers to bring down solo and I always recommend a team attack to keep the gunners distracted and that means whoever gets the last burst gets the kill - but in this case it was tenuous to say the least.

Then as I tirade about him shooting through me to kill an already crippled target he just blusters and makes some feeble excuse about not seeing me.

To me two things were inexcusable -

1) Shooting down an a/c thats been set alight/black smoke - it's going in whether in 6 seconds or 60 he's gonna blow up go in. Its a done deed, move on to next target.

2)Shooting through someone - wow, I hate shoulder shooting but it happens in the swirl of a dogfight, but to actually shoot at an enemy with a friendly a/c directly between?!? The mind boggles. I'd NEVER do that to someone - its just so far gone as to be unbelievable.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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01-17-2007, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by AKA_TAGERT:
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RCAF_Irish_403
01-17-2007, 04:17 PM
Personally I am fine with a team mate shooting my wounded prey if we are working on comms but it really ircks me when a no talent jock tries for the easy kill of a wounded plane that is obviously finished.


Dead on, brother!

The people who do the Kill Stealing tend to be the hacks who won't go on comms. Talk to me about the situation (ie: "I'm in a position to shoot-mind if i have a go?") and things usually work out fine.



2)Shooting through someone - wow, I hate shoulder shooting but it happens in the swirl of a dogfight, but to actually shoot at an enemy with a friendly a/c directly between?!? The mind boggles. I'd NEVER do that to someone - its just so far gone as to be unbelievable.


if i get a shoulder shooter, i tend to try to get damaged by his fire and bail....thus sticking him with negative points http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

Originally posted by marc_hawkins:
Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. A 108:0 kill ratio is insignificant next to the power of the Force

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erco415
01-17-2007, 04:38 PM
And here I am thinking of all these photos and guncamera films showing some guy cutting in front of his comrade for the kill. Gosh, I guess there's a limit to how much fidelity we can stomach! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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faustnik
01-17-2007, 04:48 PM
Originally posted by TheBandit_76:

Fly P51s and having kills stolen goes to a a whole new level. Yes, P51 pilots hate Spit pilots as much as the blue fellas do.



Be sure! Dora pilots hate the 109s for the same reason. You cripple 'em, they swarm 'em.

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BSS_AIJO
01-17-2007, 04:55 PM
yup,

Kill stealers beware. I like to fly the 51, and watching some spit noob forever loop his way into the saddle behind the burning wreck I just got done with to blow it in half and get my points has led me to a new tactic.

I ride up along side them like I wannt fly wing, yen back on the throttle and swing over as they pass to give them a few quick jolts from my 6 freinds. If they look good and wounded I pull off head towards the freindly side of the line then jump out before I can lose points. The theory is that then some kill stealer on teh otehr side can get a free 100 points of their very own.


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01-17-2007, 04:56 PM
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01-17-2007, 05:32 PM
I shoot friendlies because the enemy airbase is too far away to vulch.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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LEBillfish
01-17-2007, 07:35 PM
Ok, well I started flying in RB3d...In that sime, last bullet gets the kill unless a head shot. So naturally we had our A-typicals who would shadow you, then race low to try and get in that last shot (If you fly with me here you know the term I use for them which is "Carp" a bottom feeder).

Now don't get me wrong, we have exactly those sorts here too....However after a few thousand kills who's counting. Sure it's nice to end a coop and here you're the big ace, yet frankly, either deliberately killing your teammate kills the "realism" of it as much as flying shoot-em-up brawl servers.......and that's why I fly what I do, to have it be as realistic as possible.

I fly one way....To get the enemy out of action and complete my objective. There are too many who fly escort who will fixate on getting a wings off kill, only to find all their bombers have been shot down....Gee, good plan, kill 1 enemy pilot and trade off maybe 70 of your own people. So I always fly to put the enemy out of action, a kill is great, yet I'll not waste time trying to finish him if there are others needing attending to.

Do I get bent when someone starts carping my kills?..Sure you bet. Do I really get upset when someone starts shooting over my shoulder hitting me to get the kill?...Absolutly. Do I get even madder when my team tries to jump my kill, suddenly leaving me with 4 enemy to be shot down, or refuses to cover 6's while trying to get credit?......Without a doubt.

Yet I'll never waste ammo, or more so MY good time and the reason I fly, to get brief revenge. It's simple...."Server host, boot this guy please, he's carping kills". I win, they lost, the end.

p.s...When shot by one of those over the shoulder shooters I do have one resolution though, bail and let the plane crash....Guess who's hammering with the big guns then http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Ernst_Rohr
01-17-2007, 07:51 PM
I have noticed a fair number of kill stealers and shoulder shooters, and to be honest, the number seems to be constant.

It used to be there would be fewer of them on the full switch servers, but now there a fair number even now.

I have only splashed friendlies a couple of times, and with one exception, it was because the IDIOT kill***** flew in front of my guns while I was firing on a target.

I had a noob jump in front of me that way on ZvW about a week or so ago. I was lined up on Hellcat in a tight turn fight and was pumping short bursts into him as the deflection shots came up. I got a lucky hit and knocked out the Hellcats controls, and he went almost straight and level. Rolled up behind him and laid into him with a good long burst, only to see MORE fire coming in from above and behind, as this idiot kill***** opens up on him.

Mr. Kill***** had a lot more speed coming in, since the Hellcat and I had been turning hard, and as a result, he overshot and flew right through my gunfire. All of this went down in about 2 seconds. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

So, I bag the Hellcat AND a Zero, and Mr. Kill***** proceeds to go ballistic with a whole tirade of what a slimy team killing back stabbing killstealer I am. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I have splashed a couple of other guys the same way, not intentionally, but its kind of hard to guard against some idiot that will fly through friendly fire just to get that 100pts.

The one and only time I have EVER deliberatly shot down a friendly was some kid who jumped into a full switch server with the mission to shoot someone down. Dork Vader proceeded to blast away at everything that got near him, and was *****ed out by several friendly pilots for not checking targets.

I was low and slow in an IL-2, when green tracer fire goes flying past me. A few holes, and some wild turning later, I managed to shake ol Deadeye, and proceeded to dress him down for not checking target ESPECIALLY since there was no way in hell to mistake the IL-2 for ANYTHING the blue side was flying.

Deadeye apolgized (again) and flew off. Not but 2 minutes later, as I am wave hopping along, MORE green tracers. Yep, Deadeye is back. This time he plastered me but good, and I dumped stores just to keep airborne. MUCH hostile communication followed.

Deadeye once again apologized and flew off, and I hauled my now smoking IL-2 back to base before the inevitable engine melt down.

I am turning INTO the friendly base, smoking, gear down, lights on, and on final, when once again, friendly tracers. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

This time, he bagged me, I lost a wing and went down right into friendly ground targets. Joy.

Now just about every red pilot is yelling at him, and this kid is just going "what? WTF is you dudes problem? He can just fly again!"

That clinched it, I grabbed a Yak, immediately took off while he was still orbiting our airfield while getting yelled at by friendlies. While he was typing, I climbed up, formed up and matched speed, then BLASTED him point blank. His bird goes down minus a wing, and he bails out and then proceeds to froth at the mouth on comms, wanting to what my problem was, and how I was the worlds biggest male reproductive organ.

I wont lie. It felt damn good! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Just to top it off, I turned around and popped his chute for him, much to the amusement of the other nearby red fliers. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Xiolablu3
01-18-2007, 01:45 AM
Kill stealing is lame,

but

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alert_1
01-18-2007, 02:11 AM
I hate situation when me in a slower plane have to work to smoke enemy (and I'm sure he wont RTB) and have to RTB (being in slower palne alone in area full of adversaries is not good for my heath) and then some B&Z appears from blue sky and finishes him...<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Gibbage1
01-18-2007, 02:25 AM
I remember one time I drilled an enemy aircraft REALLY hard and he was belching black smoke and burning bad. I peeled off, weary that the fireworks would attract bad attention and knowing this guy was doomed and slowly circled him as I climbed. The target started going nose down, and to my suprise, 4 allied pilots DOVE on this guy! Mind you I was only at 4000-5000 feet when I tagged him, and now these guys are starting a darn near vertical dive on this burning carcus! The enemy smashed into the ground, and 4 allied fighters hit the ground right beside him! I did not know weather to laugh my head off, or be REALLY pissed that they even tried such a BS move. Did they need a kill THAT BAD?

Now, that was on arcade way back when I started flying. One would think on a server like Warclouds, that sort of BS would not happen. Sadly, it still does. At least there smart enough NOT to auger in after a burning carcus. What happens is a 1 on 1 dogfight quickly turns into a 6 on 1 dogfight with nobody wanting to give up the kill. I have seen as many as 4 people colide at once! Its not like they did NOT see there friends tracers or tails, its just they wanted that kill SO BAD that they get tunnel vision, forget how CLOSE they are, and boom!

When I see a fight like that going on, I slowly circle climb over the fight. If an enemy goes down to help his bud, I will be on him. If all my allied friends crash into a giant burning ball of aluminum, I will finish there job. What annoys me is when im the lead, and I notice 4 friendly's in my rear view mirror chewing my rudder off to get too a 109 I clearly have a handle on. Its typically Spits that do this, as P-51's and 47's will dive in, get there shots in, and zoom off like they should. The Spits on the otherhand love to fly close and seem overly desperate for that 100 points. I dont know what I fear most. Looking at a pack of FW-190's in my rear view, or an Allied pack of Spitfires hungry for a FW-190 in my gunsight.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Xiolablu3
01-18-2007, 02:30 AM
Originally posted by Gibbage1:

When I see a fight like that going on, I slowly circle climb over the fight. If an enemy goes down to help his bud, I will be on him.


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Neuromant
01-18-2007, 02:33 AM
I dont understand this stealing thing. Is it really so bad to co-op with your teammates and shoot both the enemy. I had once situation, when free of us flying behind stright in bandit six and we all shooted like mads. It was so cool...the friendli wingtips close to your plane, then he fly ower you, you chasing forward under hes belly shooting shooting....finaly the bandits makes BOOM and fall apart. We all cheered: "yeai good work, nice m8!" it wasnt matter who gets the points. I like team work. But you think that airwar is for selfish greedy egomaniacs only? Its bad to help your team m8 to shoot enemy down? Im little bit disapointed.

Excuse my english, i hope you understand my opinion.

I450IVex
01-18-2007, 02:34 AM
points *****s will burn in hell...
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Makabi-
01-18-2007, 02:41 AM
my solution to this problem is simple, I don't play online. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

zbw_109
01-18-2007, 03:19 AM
My semi-suicidal approch is to stay right with my kill until they hit the ground, but I often hit the ground with my bad judgement http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
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F19_Ob
01-18-2007, 03:23 AM
If it was online, that friendly behaved poorly.
Shooting a friendly for that reason is however equally poor behavior I think.
Off-line there is ofcourse no problem though.

Many still mistake the online arena for their personal playground, forgetting or ignorant of all the tactical situations where several pilots together try to kill the enemy.
Especially a superior and faster enemy.

one example:

I was online and saw a friendly in a yak9 fighting a 109.
As usual I climbed to the side and above and watched.
After a while the 109 got the upper hand and was gaining on the now defensive yak.
I was in a good position to intervene and made a pass on the 109, wich broke off.
I again climbed and saw the yak taking the initiative again and finally, after a too long, dangerous fight he managed to shoot the 109 down.
We left for home together, when suddenly I was hit and severely crippled and had to bail.

Well it was not the enemy who got me but my friend in the yak, who had seen me trying to 'steal' his kill. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif
That was a so silly situation that I could only laugh about it.
However my apitite for helping yaks on that map somewhat diminished. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif


Another online-example on necessity of teamwork is when I recently flew ki-27 against the faster p40 and I-16.
The only way to catch and shoot them is when they do a tactical mistake, and for some reason slow down and let the ki-27 catch up.
The p-40 however has a bit too weak engine so it is fairly easy to stop it if he starts to turn and one can aim better, but that is much harder when the p40 don't let go of its speed.

In most situations the ki-27 is very vulnerable in a dogfight because he must watch through his gunsight, and with the two light machineguns it often will take too long time to kill an enemy alone.
Infact the wingmen are at risk aswell because they must watch the slow progress and risk being jumped from above.
Much better and a more sane tactic would be if the wingmen helped corner the enemy and snapshoot at it when possible.

Many, many times others have gotten credit or points for my kills for taking the last shots at the enemy.
I actually don't mind because I don't care much for stats anyway.
The only time I may get anoyed is when in such a situation u described, a friendly gets infront of u in a 'clear shot situation'.
Many times though I am very glad when a faster friendly sees that I can't catch up with the enemy but still have to follow him and keep an eye on him.
That should be a completely natural situation where the friendly can help.

One still have to bare in mind that in closed cockpit servers it can sometimes be difficult to see what is behind and below so one actually can, by mistake, dive infront of a friendly without seeing him.
This is just one example but other similar situations can occur.

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Well, the bottom line is that it is tactically good in a social event (like online flying)
to learn to forgive and forget mistakes and wrongs that happens, because people make mistakes (me too) and it would be a pity if everyone would feel they had to guard their own ground all the time.

Apologising when someone realised he/she stepped over the line works wonders as an agression-cooler (I have noticed).

I have also noticed that if u tell someone he got your kill in a nicer manner, the response may likely be nicer and apologetic in nature.
If on the otherhand u say he is a freaking non-nice person (but in fowler language) the response will likely be defensive and agressive.

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Deadmeat313
01-18-2007, 03:30 AM
I try my best to always immerse myself in the environment and imaging I was really there. I don't have a big problem with others shooting at the same target as me, though I've been in a couple of situations where there are two or more of us chasing one opponent (often Japanese Ki-43s chasing Spitfires I find) and I begin to worry that I might collide with a comrade. At that point I normally pull out of the chase and guard from above - or if there are several of us there already - go find another target. In Ki-43s it HELPS to have several firing to make a blighter go down.

If I see a friendly is on a bad guy and mixing it up then I'll try to hold station above the fight, ready to drop in if the tables are turned, or if enemy reinforcements arrive.

If a friendly finishes off a plane I damaged, why on earth would I want to kill him? It all helps the War Effort.

The only circumstance I can imagine attacking a friendly is if a rookie pilot should go trigger happy and make himself a danger to the rest of the squadron. Sometimes the stresses of war will cause a young chap to go slightly loopy and repeatedly fire on his own side while babbling "ROFL, PWNED R0XXS0CKS" or somesuch. They need to be taken down as soon as possible, for the good of all.

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F19_Ob
01-18-2007, 03:49 AM
regarding shouldershooting.
There is several tactical situations where it is legitimate, and would be foolish not to use.

I urge my mates on comms to shoot at the enemy infront of me, if they can, even over my sholder in a turn, where the guy behind me can better pull lead on the enemy infront of me.
This is a sane tactic, to get the enemy down as fast as possible, instead of one droning slowly alone while the others watch and are at risk.
With the enemy down or severely crippled the others in our group are 'free' to watch after new threats.

Same goes when I am chased by a nimbler enemy. I urge my friendly to shoot at the enemy, no matter the range or angle, to make him evade or get hit. I may accidentally get hit in the process but as I see it it's much better getting shot down by a friendly who tries to help, than getting shot down by the enemy when friendlies were close by and could have helped.

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Whirlin_merlin
01-18-2007, 04:49 AM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
It's simple...."Server host, boot this guy please, he's carping kills". I win, they lost, the end.

:

If I put my admin hat on (for UK dedi servers) can I say that this is what we would rather see than a deliberate TK, which will usually result in a kick.
That said it is annoying and some days can really get to you when it happens repeatedly. I can think of a couple of times when a friendly has entered my stream of bullets and I have been physically unable to release the trigger, sure I wanted to but for some reason my finger wouldn't shift. It's handy to be able to remove your own warn points you know.

BaldieJr
01-18-2007, 06:15 AM
Originally posted by LStarosta:
I shoot friendlies because the enemy airbase is too far away to vulch.

I spawn-n-bomb friendlies because taking off is a hassle.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Choctaw111
01-18-2007, 07:06 AM
I have actually thanked people for not stealing my kills on HL. It has happened several times where I have clearly finished off a bad guy and the AC is going down and there is another good guy following the bad guy I just shot down and could just as easily pump some quick and easy rounds into the flaming wreck for some easy points but don't do it. My hat is off to those players with that much integrity and I will type in chat a quick thank you for not doing it.
As far as a good guy jumping in from of you to steal a kill, that would upset me also. I have had a good guy on HL try to shoot me and my wingman down just for some action and wouldn't let up so we did shoot him down and did not feel sorry about it one bit. That player deserved it!!!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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FunGus1968
01-18-2007, 07:07 AM
You know what's worse than kill stealing?

The constant *****ing about kill stealing.

When on COMS, it's a damn downer. Just take it and get over it.

Deadmeat313
01-18-2007, 08:10 AM
Originally posted by F19_Ob:
I was online and saw a friendly in a yak9 fighting a 109.
As usual I climbed to the side and above and watched.
After a while the 109 got the upper hand and was gaining on the now defensive yak.
I was in a good position to intervene and made a pass on the 109, wich broke off.
I again climbed and saw the yak taking the initiative again and finally, after a too long, dangerous fight he managed to shoot the 109 down.
We left for home together, when suddenly I was hit and severely crippled and had to bail.

Well it was not the enemy who got me but my friend in the yak, who had seen me trying to 'steal' his kill. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif


That would annoy me. What's the point of us hovering over a furball if not to dive in and assist when it turns against our comrade? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif I know I'd be grateful for the rescue if it were the other way round.

The online community baffles me at times. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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MrQBerrt
01-18-2007, 09:26 AM
I spawn-n-bomb friendlies because taking off is a hassle.
Give yourself a big enough bomb delay and you can do both. (BTW nice sig, what happened to Earl?)


On a more serious note, when I'm flying with buddies on comms, I aim to disable planes, not kill them. From experiance, I know that it's just about imposible to do much damage to the enemy with a hole in my wing or no elevator controls, so once I've caused a good bit of damage on a bandit, I often pull off and let someone else get the points. I help out my mates more by keeping my E then by getting a confirmed kill.

If I don't have any friendls around though, all such chivalry is dead.

Speaking of which, I'm really not very sympathetic to those who whine about lack of teamwork and fair-play but are not themselves on comms. If you don't want to work as part of a team, don't complain about others doing the same thing.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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PFflyer
01-18-2007, 09:32 AM
It is a tough call you make deciding for someone else that they need help.

Many times I have turned the table and shot down opponents who have attacked me from a clear advantage, bounced me, had me smoking, on fire, and I shot down an opponent the other day when I was out of gas and my prop had stopped, while I still had enough E and before I crash-landed.

So if you make the call on your own to help someone without communicating with them first, you probably have about a fifty-fifty chance of getting either praise or catching flak for your actions.
And if and because it is your action and decision to intervene, you deserve what you get for your action.

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01-18-2007, 09:40 AM
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MrQBerrt
01-18-2007, 09:52 AM
Are points that important?
Yup they are. For many, points and stats are what keep the game interesting and addicting. Without some kind of reward, they'd stop playing. If they stopped playing, I'd have less people to shoot down. Thus the prize is -- more people to shoot down http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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MEGILE
01-18-2007, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by BaldieJr:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
I shoot friendlies because the enemy airbase is too far away to vulch.

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Brain32
01-18-2007, 10:05 AM
Originally posted by Megile:
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I shoot friendlies because the enemy airbase is too far away to vulch.

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Ugly_Kid
01-18-2007, 10:23 AM
Typical on a DF server - nobody's there for any other purpose than shooting. Also in many cases if one team gains an edge then the team starts ganging up next to opponents AF and barely you're wheel up someone will already bounce you. I mean it's barely not vulching but what's the point, still easy droppings when somebody with 1000 m alt advantage bounces on someone who just takes off.

In the coops and particularly in the online wars you really notice a different spirit - a teamwork. Everyone is glad if someone gets a kill, usually someones kill starts turning the tables to ones own team and you're glad to breath easier and maybe count on you streak continuing again. Particularly, much joy comes when someone downs a difficult opponent. Imagine a mission where you are with 8 Bf-109G-6 Early against 2 La-5Fn and some 6 Ya-7B, everyone jubilates in the chat when 5FNs are brought down. If someone gets an opponent smoking and runs out of ammo he usually reports the place and invites teammates to finish him off.

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johnbn
01-18-2007, 04:44 PM
Kill stealing happens.
Sometimes accidental, sometimes on purpose.
Do people play the game for personal enjoyment or to stack up a lot of points to show the rest of the world how uber they are?(Definition of Point*****s?)
If they play for enjoyment they should be happy in the knowledge that it was really them that crippled/downed the enemy even if someone else put the last bullet into the flaming, smoking wreck.
The best way to play in dogfight servers is to set yourself personal goals and forget about points.
For example, play full session without getting shot down, do your best to help your team win by defending your bombers etc etc.
Funny thing I think about this discussion is that the people calling other people point*****s are not much different themselves!
Just my 2 cents worth.

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01-18-2007, 05:28 PM
I hope BF's Skinny doesnt mind me stealing his comic and posting it here but it seemed kind of Apt :-

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rnzoli
01-18-2007, 05:51 PM
Originally posted by johnbn:
Do people play the game for personal enjoyment or to stack up a lot of points to show the rest of the world how uber they are?(Definition of Point*****s?)
If they play for enjoyment they should be happy in the knowledge that it was really them that crippled/downed the enemy even if someone else put the last bullet into the flaming, smoking wreck.
The best way to play in dogfight servers is to set yourself personal goals and forget about points.
For example, play full session without getting shot down, do your best to help your team win by defending your bombers etc etc.

Tell us about any sport, where results don't count. The problem is not score keeping - people like scores for challenge, especially trackable and comparable ones. What you recommend above is also a simple score - how much time, or how many sorties you survive. Quite typical for those coveted online wars, too. So score-keeping is not the problem. The problem is what type of scores are tracked and how they are awarded. Using the in-game point system for scoring basis is like putting money on the street, and then getting extremely upset when somebody takes it away. Boring.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Neuromant
01-19-2007, 07:19 AM
Right now the poit system is not wery interesting. It would be much cooler, when game memorize the poits. So you can collect them over years.
And ewen more cool would be to give players military ranks and awards. Like in Battlefield 2. That would be really-really sweat.

But..do you know any 3rd party program to IL2 1946 what records points. I mean some program that shows me how many planes i shot down. Shows my damage/kill ratio, weapon accurazi etc.

Damn, i know my crammatical english is totaly bad, but i hope i made myself clear.

Marcel_Albert
01-19-2007, 08:02 AM
lol , nice cartoon Xiolablu3 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


Yea , well , you find a lot of different people online in HL , some very nice people and a minority of people without any respect for the community and people around them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

We speak in this thread about kill stealers and friendly shooters (a minority of the ocmmunity ) that you mainly find in online dogfight servers , both are just as bad as each other , well i actually despise even more team killers because one shouldn't act stupidly because you're surrounded by stupid people , it's even worse than being stupid because you choose to become one as a result of childish anger .


I have problems with kill stealers sometimes because i fly mainly American planes , and with the .50's , you rarely can shoot down an ennemy in one pass , it's true it's annoying , but nothing to make a meal of it , a good pilot can get fair kills anyway , losing 100 or 200 points won't prevent me to sleep , especially since in reali life , kill steal is not an issue , the more your team destroys ennemy planes , the better it is for your fellows . I never go on dogfight servers to get points , but rather try to improve my skills , the best sorties i had were not the ones that got me the most points , but rather the ones that where i have flown to the limits of my planes out of a long sortie , could apply very sound tactics and especially survived many ennemy planes alone while having badly damaged some of them and managed to go back home , there is also the teamplay in dogfight server , personally , IMO in IL-2 FB , nothing equal the pleasure of flying with a good team online even if i get less kills , i enjoy more a sortie with a very nice teamplay , tactics , mutual protection , and efficiency rather than taking a Spit or 109 and come back with 300-400 points after each sortie out of a lonewolf-very low alt- dogfight against noobs most often .<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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tomtheyak
01-19-2007, 08:36 AM
Well, some of these gregarious "it's for the team" replies are all well and good, but when you've spent 2 minutes sweating through a dogfight with multiple bandits and having a tough time getting the shots home to finally land some telling blows and feel the impending victory, to have it snatched from your grasp by some inhonourable and opportunistic scumbag, I fail to see how this helps anyone.

It destroys my team spirit, and more often than not, whilst this little punk is getting the credit for the hard work I've been putting in another enemy is bouncing me/us. Its a classic.

I'm a do as you would be done by kind of chap. When other friendlies are engaged I stay high and keep em covered, and only drop in when team-mates are in danger. Why can't others pay the respect back in kindness.

Its not the act of taking the kill (I have given up kills to people on comms many times) - what irks me is the lack of honour, respect and selflessness that offends me. And for what? Another stat! Well whoop-de-doo.

And calling me as bad as a kill stealer for TKing - I think not. They need to be taught a lesson. Its a just punishment for a selfish act in my opinion.

I don't do it to others and I don't expect it done to me. That simple.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Marcel_Albert
01-19-2007, 09:11 AM
Originally posted by Neuromant:
Right now the poit system is not wery interesting. It would be much cooler, when game memorize the poits. So you can collect them over years.
And ewen more cool would be to give players military ranks and awards. Like in Battlefield 2. That would be really-really sweat.

But..do you know any 3rd party program to IL2 1946 what records points. I mean some program that shows me how many planes i shot down. Shows my damage/kill ratio, weapon accurazi etc.

Damn, i know my crammatical english is totaly bad, but i hope i made myself clear.


It would be cool only if it also recalls how many times you died and reset all you stats every time you die as well as demote you when you lose too many wingmen or fail too many missions http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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JtD
01-19-2007, 09:21 AM
Originally posted by TheBandit_76:
Fly P51s and having kills stolen goes to a a whole new level. Yes, P51 pilots hate Spit pilots as much as the blue fellas do.

I agree with you...that's odd.

rnzoli
01-19-2007, 09:52 AM
Originally posted by tomtheyak:
when you've spent 2 minutes sweating through a dogfight with multiple bandits and having a tough time getting the shots home to finally land some telling blows and feel the impending victory, to have it snatched from your grasp by some inhonourable and opportunistic scumbag, I fail to see how this helps anyone.
I also fail to see how shooting the friendly aircraft would solve your problem.
#1 If you go for the victory itself, the victory is yours, no doubt. You know you worked for it, the defeated pilot knows as well, the KS-er knows it, anyone around seeing the duel know it, and if someone recorded the track, all people watching it will know it. Just because someone came in in the last moment and wasted his ammo on an already defeated enemy, nothing changes. A noob will remain a noob, a victor remains a victor.

#2 If you go for your points, shooting down the friendly will get you an even worse score than before. The KS-er may get as much as 70 points, while you get -300, a probably warning points or kick due to the TK (if the server is scripted). The only thing you proved is that you can't control your anger, and basically, when your instints call, you can be as agressive and careless as your KS-er.

I mean, if you want revenge, do it. But be a thinking man, not an animal, shaking in anger. You could
- ram him - he gets -300 points thanks to another twist in the score system
- fly in between the KS-er and the enemy, get a few hits on yourself and then bail - you get 50% perhaps, he gets again -300
- just disconnect, reconnect with another subtle callsign like 'stealer_killer_0001', spawn at the most expected landing base, take off and when he is approaching, shoot him down while landing, also shoot him while trying to take off again. When kicked, repeat the same process with steeler_killer_0002, 0003 etc. you get my point, don't you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif When you had enough, just change your IP and change back to your normal callsign and off you go.

By the way, the problem with your philosophy is that nobody cares what you don't do to others, because they don't know you don't do it. I think a lot of people are guided by "what can be done without major punishments". If you don't like such low morality, don't play with people like them. If you play with them, don't complain about them. Kill stealing complaints rank among the most boring and fruitless subjects around here, together with 'i was shot down with my nav lights on' or 'i was vulched when taking off' topics http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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rnzoli
01-19-2007, 09:56 AM
Originally posted by Marcel_Albert:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Neuromant:
Right now the poit system is not wery interesting. It would be much cooler, when game memorize the poits. So you can collect them over years.
And ewen more cool would be to give players military ranks and awards. Like in Battlefield 2. That would be really-really sweat.

But..do you know any 3rd party program to IL2 1946 what records points. I mean some program that shows me how many planes i shot down. Shows my damage/kill ratio, weapon accurazi etc.

Damn, i know my crammatical english is totaly bad, but i hope i made myself clear.


It would be cool only if it also recalls how many times you died and reset all you stats every time you die as well as demote you when you lose too many wingmen or fail too many missions http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Many of those 'requirements' already exists in online wars. The stats are taken out from the reported mission logs and posted on the web.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Neuromant
01-19-2007, 10:06 AM
It would be cool only if it also recalls how many times you died and reset all you stats every time you die as well as demote you when you lose too many wingmen or fail too many missions

No no, dieing should not reset your points. You only get negative score. So its difficult to get high military rank.

PFflyer
01-19-2007, 10:10 AM
There is a lot of talk about points in this thread, and for me it was never about that at all.

It is just rude to cut in front of someone and put your self first, whether you are waiting in line at a bank or cafe, driving in traffic, or if you are flying an airplane in a simulation of the WWW.

If someone cuts me off in real life in some way, I let them know it, maybe if they get enough guff about what jacka sses they are, they will start to think about it, and that might make the world a little bit better place.

If I saw my kids treating others like that I will beat their a sses!

There is no reason not to have manners and respect for others no matter where you are, out in the world, or playing Monopoly, or playing with others in IL2.

So that is all there is to it, if you are a rude, selfish a ss, when I am around, you will reap what you sow, and I will give you some good guff for what you are doing.

tomtheyak
01-19-2007, 10:26 AM
Originally posted by PFflyer:
There is a lot of talk about points in this thread, and for me it was never about that at all.

It is just rude to cut in front of someone and put your self first, whether you are waiting in line at a bank or cafe, driving in traffic, or if you are flying an airplane in a simulation of the WWW.

If someone cuts me off in real life in some way, I let them know it, maybe if they get enough guff about what jacka sses they are, they will start to think about it, and that might make the world a little bit better place.

If I saw my kids treating others like that I will beat their a sses!

There is no reason not to have manners and respect for others no matter where you are, out in the world, or playing Monopoly, or playing with others in IL2.

So that is all there is to it, if you are a rude, selfish a ss, when I am around, you will reap what you sow, and I will give you some good guff for what you are doing.

BINGO!

Rnzoli, you obviously missed the entire point of my post - I could care less about the kill itself; I often give away damaged kills if someone asks or is in a better position.

I'm with PFFlyer - its the principal of the action, the inherent disrespect to others, and the poor attitude to your teammates that angers me.

When playing on a public server, as a pragmatist and a realist I know it's gonna happen.

As an optimist and someone with a sense of honour, I ask, why should we expect it? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

I'd like to have better faith in human nature, but, ah well. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Badsight-
01-19-2007, 12:14 PM
its all about the points

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lateral-g
01-19-2007, 01:08 PM
I always kill friendly AI that get in the way of MY kill http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

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johnbn
01-19-2007, 01:10 PM
its all about the points

if it wasnt about points you wouldnt be getting upset someone finished off the very last part

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carguy_
01-19-2007, 01:14 PM
If I get to record it,I post it as I "forced" few of apologies afterwards before.

But I learned not to get mad over it.If the guy behind me wants to shoot it,ok.He`s a ____,whatever.

By doing that he draws enemy nearby planes attention.If I get to choose which I want,extending to safety or crashing with him while trying to finish my kill I go for the first.

Two times online I`ve crashed to another 109 booming the same bogie.I really can`t remember when was the last time I felt so stupid and humiliated.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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rnzoli
01-19-2007, 01:17 PM
Originally posted by PFflyer:
So that is all there is to it, if you are a rude, selfish a ss, when I am around, you will reap what you sow, and I will give you some good guff for what you are doing. ooooh, we are all scared now, so THAT was the point of the whole thread, now I see http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif good luck for installing your new world order in Il-2 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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LEBillfish
01-19-2007, 01:23 PM
I'm huge on calling out "Check your 6!" and clearing 6's....Frankly, you'll get 3x the kills clearing 6's and winging then you do leading. Plus, nothing earns more respect then saving someones bacon over and over vs. just being the big score king....

So I have found, the best revenge for those that offend me, is simply not do it for them.....Yet be sure they see you sitting there free and clear, as they know that's your thing many counting on it.

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Sultan_of_Swing
01-19-2007, 05:00 PM
Good point Bill. But lately (is it just me?) the kill stealers are rampant. Just over the top. I haven't blasted one ...yet. But I know the time is coming when I will.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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