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luftluuver
09-10-2008, 07:46 AM
http://www.aaib.dft.gov.uk/cms_resources/dft_avsafety_pdf_501760.pdf

Note the pilot was trapped in the cockpit.

rnzoli
09-10-2008, 09:25 AM
I've read this before, but once again, the most probably cause is that there was a coolant discharge, the pilot took it for oil leak by mistake, came in to land with too high speed (expecting engine seizure), overrun the field, and nosed over.

Well, one has to credit him for not letting the rescue teams cut into the fuselage, and rather waiting in leaking fuel until the whole aicraft was lifted with a crane... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

general_kalle
09-10-2008, 09:28 AM
i think its crazy to think about how we all unoficially care so much about a piece of metal when there's human's in danger aswell.

i think its cool of him to want wait in leaking fuel but i wont say it's worth it,

sw25th
09-10-2008, 01:03 PM
old pilots flying a young pilots plane.

WTE_Galway
09-10-2008, 05:47 PM
Originally posted by sw25th:
old pilots flying a young pilots plane.

I suspect it would be very hard for a young pilot to build up the hours, experience and type ratings necessary to fly aerobatics in a warbird at an airshow.

SeaFireLIV
09-10-2008, 05:52 PM
Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sw25th:
old pilots flying a young pilots plane.

I suspect it would be very hard for a young pilot to build up the hours, experience and type ratings necessary to fly aerobatics in a warbird at an airshow. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Indeed, never underestimate experince over youth, just because someone`s old.

JSG72
09-10-2008, 05:56 PM
I saw Black 6 a couple of days before its crash.

It was pristine.

I was http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif to see the news. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

BTW. Was up in the "Rapide" and flown by a Young guy. Who was taking the Tickets. Original "Old" pilot was going for lunch!

Boy! Was I saved that day. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

idonno
09-10-2008, 09:18 PM
Originally posted by sw25th:
old pilots flying a young pilots plane.

I'd say the only time being older would be a problem, where flying a fighter is concerned, would be in an actual dogfight, and then it would only be a problem of "G" resistance and stamina.

Vinnie_Gumbat
09-10-2008, 11:17 PM
Originally posted by idonno:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sw25th:
old pilots flying a young pilots plane.

I'd say the only time being older would be a problem, where flying a fighter is concerned, would be in an actual dogfight, and then it would only be a problem of "G" resistance and stamina. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Old also comes with the label "experiance".
Think, P-51s had a very low accident rate
because of older experianced pilots transitioning into them.
Experiance is far more important than youth alone.
I bet guys like the late Roy Hannah were as safe
as one can get in a fighter plane.
All fighter planes are inherintly DANGEROUS.

Vinnie

rnzoli
09-11-2008, 12:25 AM
Originally posted by general_kalle:
i think its cool of him to want wait in leaking fuel but i wont say it's worth it, I presume the arriving firemen took some precautionary actions against the breakout of a fire, e.g., laying foam perhaps? So it wasn't that high risk, and it was worth it.

But that man must have got nerves thick like a rope http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

CHDT
09-11-2008, 12:42 AM
Warbirds were not built to perform sharp aerobatics at low altitudes and at low speeds, but to perform combat manoeuvers to destroy an enemy aircraft. At meetings, I just hate to see WWII warbirds trying to fly like a modern Sukhoi: dangerous and useless.

PanzerAce
09-11-2008, 11:59 AM
SOMEONE BUY THEM A SPELL CHECKER.

I don't know if it's just how it appears on my computer, but I'm appalled at how many times the person forgot to hit the space bar....

PanzerAce
09-11-2008, 12:03 PM
After reading, it seems that chances are it was the pilot's fault. According to the information in that .pdf, it seems that he failed to ascertain what the status of the radiator controls actually was, and as such over heated his engine. Sucks, but it sounds like the plane should be fixable.

trumper
09-11-2008, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by PanzerAce:
After reading, it seems that chances are it was the pilot's fault. According to the information in that .pdf, it seems that he failed to ascertain what the status of the radiator controls actually was, and as such over heated his engine. Sucks, but it sounds like the plane should be fixable.
The plane was rebuilt and i believe CAN be reflown but it won't ever be whilst it is owned by the I W M and sits in Hendon Museum.
Personally i would love to see and hear her back in the air again.Another part of me is glad she is in one piece and seeing the amount of prangs in the other 109's and Buchons over the last few years,maybe a wise idea.
The pilot was the last RAF pilot to bring down a Luftwaffe plane http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

PanzerAce
09-11-2008, 04:36 PM
Originally posted by trumper:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PanzerAce:
After reading, it seems that chances are it was the pilot's fault. According to the information in that .pdf, it seems that he failed to ascertain what the status of the radiator controls actually was, and as such over heated his engine. Sucks, but it sounds like the plane should be fixable.
The plane was rebuilt and i believe CAN be reflown but it won't ever be whilst it is owned by the I W M and sits in Hendon Museum.
Personally i would love to see and hear her back in the air again.Another part of me is glad she is in one piece and seeing the amount of prangs in the other 109's and Buchons over the last few years,maybe a wise idea.
The pilot was the last RAF pilot to bring down a Luftwaffe plane http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah, didn't know it had already been repaired. I've actually been reading recently about some of the engine problems that planes in the Reno Unlimited class have. Like an R-2800 that spits out the entirety of it's front cylinder row....in flight.