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WOLFMondo
11-25-2004, 11:22 AM
Anyone else read this book (apart from Icefirehttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )? I've just got to the bit where he gets his Tempest V. Amazing book and amazing plane. I never realised how refined it was and the power the Napier Sabre offered when overboosting...almost 3000HP.

I don't know whether im lucky to never have to experiance what he did or jealous I'll never have the chance to.

WOLFMondo
11-25-2004, 11:22 AM
Anyone else read this book (apart from Icefirehttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )? I've just got to the bit where he gets his Tempest V. Amazing book and amazing plane. I never realised how refined it was and the power the Napier Sabre offered when overboosting...almost 3000HP.

I don't know whether im lucky to never have to experiance what he did or jealous I'll never have the chance to.

Von_Zero
11-25-2004, 11:39 AM
Yup, it's an awesome book, just read further and you will enjoy every page http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Monty_Thrud
11-25-2004, 11:45 AM
I bought this book about 3 months ago, but have been busy with several others i'm currently reading "Wing Leader" by Johnnie Johnson a very very good read, one of those books you find hard to put down....but i'm saving "The big show" for the release of the Tempest in IL2...have heard nothing but good reports about it...er the book...and the plane... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

blairgowrie
11-25-2004, 11:55 AM
I hate to say I first read this book when it was initially published. And then I re-read it about 6 months ago. Enjoyed it just as much on the second reading as the first!

It appears the Tempest owned the FW 190 but the real killer was flack.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
11-25-2004, 12:10 PM
sounds good will add it to my wish list thanks for the heads up http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

WOLFMondo
11-25-2004, 01:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Von_Zero:
Yup, it's an awesome book, just read further and you will enjoy every page http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've enjoyed every page so far, the references to land marks on the south coast of England...I live and regularly goto places he mentions there which makes it quite special in a way as it take little imagination (in addition to his wonderful descriptions) to picture it in your head.

Xnomad
11-25-2004, 02:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by blairgowrie:
I hate to say I first read this book when it was initially published. And then I re-read it about 6 months ago. Enjoyed it just as much on the second reading as the first!

It appears the Tempest owned the FW 190 but the real killer was flack. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Did you re-read your old copy? The reason I'm asking is because the initial version of the book had a lot cut out of it because of a post war paper shortage, the latest edition has the full story.

In response to the first post: I say that this is by far the best book out there that I have read telling the story of the war from a pilots perspective.

VW-IceFire
11-25-2004, 03:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
Anyone else read this book (apart from Icefirehttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )? I've just got to the bit where he gets his Tempest V. Amazing book and amazing plane. I never realised how refined it was and the power the Napier Sabre offered when overboosting...almost 3000HP.

I don't know whether im lucky to never have to experiance what he did or jealous I'll never have the chance to. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Good book! I enjoyed all of it! Excellent read...makes you understand the whole war quite a bit better. Alot of the grandstanding around here just falls away when you understand what was really going on, how things were used in combat, what the pilots went through, etc.

WOLFMondo
11-25-2004, 03:43 PM
It very well written, it makes something incredibly epic seem very personal and intense at the same time. It makes you realise the physical and mental pressures these pilots were under, that aircombat was often total chaos.

blairgowrie
11-25-2004, 04:48 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Xnomad:

Did you re-read your old copy? The reason I'm asking is because the initial version of the book had a lot cut out of it because of a post war paper shortage, the latest edition has the full story.

QUOTE]

No, I wish I had kept the original copy. It likely is worth a lot of money now. For the re-read, I purchased a used copy from Barnes & Noble which was probably an abridged copy too. I may get an up to date copy and compare.

jensenpark
11-25-2004, 05:42 PM
It is an amazing book...

I got it and JEJ's "Wing Leader" at the same time. Read "Wing Leader" first. Great book...very much the typical pilot's book.

I think the two books are both great, but in many ways they couldn't be more different.

Big Show is very sombre, and dark...speaks so much of his fear and the deaths of his mates. It is the first time I've read a pilot's memoirs and seen it speak so much of fear and loathing and incalculable stress of the war. Really makes you realize the attrition rate of the pilots.

Rab03
11-26-2004, 02:25 AM
Great book, I've read an old edition some time ago.

Before Pierre's accounts, I remember Richard Bong's, in which he claimed that being on the recieving end of enemy bullets was the most terrifying experience-his body shrinking, lowering head into shoulders, guts cramped, cold sweat and thoughts of nothing else than escape.

triggerhappyfin
11-26-2004, 03:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by blairgowrie:
I hate to say I first read this book when it was initially published. And then I re-read it about 6 months ago. Enjoyed it just as much on the second reading as the first!

It appears the Tempest owned the FW 190 but the real killer was flack. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I bought this book way back when it was released in Swedish...Just ended reading it the other night(third time).

It´s a good read and having this game to compare with makes it much more immersive and understandable read.

It really was something else to charge those airfields in Germany with hundreds of guns firing at them...and Closterman survived!!

WOLFMondo
11-26-2004, 05:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by triggerhappyfin:
It really was something else to charge those airfields in Germany with hundreds of guns firing at them...and Closterman survived!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I really have to question how they did survive, he was one lucky guy. The reports of 1000 typhoons and spitfires being lost in just a few months to ground attack missions, very scary.

What got me was the description of high speed dives, especially in his Spit VII, the paint cracking on the wings, the force which he was pushed back in the seat, the toll 450+mph dive speeds took on the body, the total hopelessness of loosing a fight at those speeds and not being able to bail.

Jambock_Dolfo
11-26-2004, 08:13 AM
"It appears the Tempest owned the FW 190 but the real killer was flack."

Really? Well, sure FLAK was tough as hell, but who shot Clostermann down after all? FLAK or a 190? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The Big Show is certainly one of the best books I have ever read - the new, unabridged version - for Pierre Clostermann is not only a superb pilot with lots of memories to write about but he also was a writer in the true sense of the word. The book is a very pleasant read indeed!

-dolfo

trumper
11-26-2004, 08:50 AM
A brilliant book,you may have to wipe away a damp eye at the end http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

blairgowrie
11-26-2004, 09:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jambock_Dolfo:
"It appears the Tempest owned the FW 190 but the real killer was flack."

Really? Well, sure FLAK was tough as hell, but who shot Clostermann down after all? FLAK or a 190? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

-dolfo <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I meant no disrespect but that's the impression I got from reading the book. I will get the new unabridged version and re-read it.

WOLFMondo
11-26-2004, 10:28 AM
The impression I get is he rates the FW190 as a worthy adversary but he also rates the Tempest as a first rate fighter plane, while you can say what he says is anecdotal, you cannot simply disregard such a refined plane with a 2400HP engine, a cruising speed most other planes dream of as a top speed at low altitude and overboosting to 3000HP! I did wonder why the Imperial war museum has one in there landmarks collection (there is no Spitfire or Mustangs in that collection either), its because it took piston powered flight to its very limits. His description of catching V 1's...Mustangs, Spit XIV's and P47's had to dive to catch them, the Tempest V simply opened up the throttle a little and sauntered up behind them. That is impressive.

I don't know if theres any out there, but I'd like to read other memoires of Tempest pilots.

FI-finbar1
11-26-2004, 11:41 AM
How many of us are waiting to fly our "Grand Charles" I wonder.Excellent book just finished it today after baging a copy from Amazon.I think it's about to be republished.Besides the awfull losses he describes in the Tempest Wing,I was surprised to see his "political" asides in respect of the immediate aftermath of freeing France.
Along with many others I now want a Tempest in the game.

triggerhappyfin
11-26-2004, 05:21 PM
[/QUOTE]
I really have to question how they did survive, he was one lucky guy. The reports of 1000 typhoons and spitfires being lost in just a few months to ground attack missions, very scary.

What got me was the description of high speed dives, especially in his Spit VII, the paint cracking on the wings, the force which he was pushed back in the seat, the toll 450+mph dive speeds took on the body, the total hopelessness of loosing a fight at those speeds and not being able to bail.[/QUOTE]

Somewhere in the book he mentions a fierce fight between some spits and fw:s(I think it was). The spit pilots forced to do such a sharp evasives it caused internal bleedings on them!!!

Thank god we only have to deal with a sim!!

ouston
11-26-2004, 05:59 PM
If you want a good account of the Typhoon and Tempest try "Typhoon and Tempest at War" by Arthur Reed and Roland Beaumont. Both of these are significant aircraft that I would hope would make it into Il2/PF. We have the Beau at long last, we just need the greatest of them all, the Mossie. The range of aircraft now is extraordinary - a Stringbag would be rather nice and a Meteor. This is all dependent upon interest amongst the creators but I suggest these two as priorities.

Pip pip

Ouston

Rab03
11-30-2004, 01:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jambock_Dolfo:
"It appears the Tempest owned the FW 190 but the real killer was flack."

Really? Well, sure FLAK was tough as hell, but who shot Clostermann down after all? FLAK or a 190? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't know about other time, but I'm almost certain (haven't watched the video of his interview quite some time) that once he was shot down by a Messerschmitt (8 Tempests vs 1 Messerschmitt!).

The reason he was so scared of flak is that many of his mates died because of it, and that his survival can be credited to pure luck, as opposed to combined skill/luck factor in dogfight.

Also, Tempest was fast, but in the book Pierre described that he could only watch "strange bird" (Do-335) fly away from him.
Imagine the whining if Do-335 appears in game http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif.

WTE_Ibis
11-30-2004, 01:47 AM
Yes please,Tempest,Mossie,Typhoon AND DO-335 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif