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fordfan25
01-05-2008, 12:00 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsKfxXtQrzc&feature=related

Xiolablu3
01-05-2008, 08:23 PM
Hehe, powerful beast.

That gun would be called an 'Anti-Tank rifle' in WW2. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Airmail109
01-05-2008, 09:02 PM
Funny thing is I bet you could knock out a tiger tank with one of those. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Ratsack
01-05-2008, 09:26 PM
Now, is there a 20 mm anti materiel rifle we can see, just to compare apples with apples.

cheers,
Ratsack

One13
01-06-2008, 06:29 AM
Something like this?

20mm Rifle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXLRYf9EV2Y)

It uses the same ammunition as the MG151.

DmdSeeker
01-06-2008, 07:33 AM
600 yrds, and he's using a tripod and a telescopic sight.

Sure, the round has enormous energy, but I wonder if he'd have hit it if he'd strapped the rifle to a jeep and tried hitting the target whie driving over a rough field at 30 mph.

That's why you need to get close in IL-2, not because the guns suck, but because aiming at 400 mph in some one's slip stream is different from lying prone woth a tripod and telescopic sight.

Capt.LoneRanger
01-06-2008, 07:54 AM
Originally posted by One13:
Something like this?

20mm Rifle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXLRYf9EV2Y)

It uses the same ammunition as the MG151.

IIRC the MG151/20 uses 20x81mm. An Anti-Tank-Gun like the Typ98 AntiTank-Gun uses 20x141mm! Same caliber, yes, but a hell lot more punch.

One13
01-06-2008, 08:12 AM
The 20x82mm round has a low kinetic energy compared to many other 20mm rounds, but (in the video) it only takes two rounds to destroy the re-enforced concrete sleeper. Also look at the hole in the drum and compare it to the holes made by the 0.5inch bullet in the steel plates.

Capt.LoneRanger
01-06-2008, 08:28 AM
Originally posted by One13:
The 20x81mm round has a low kinetic energy compared to many other 20mm rounds, but (in the video) it only takes two rounds to destroy the re-enforced concrete sleeper. Also look at the hole in the drum and compare it to the holes made by the 0.5inch bullet in the steel plates.

It would be a miracle, if 12,7mm punched a bigger hole than 20mm ammo. Still it makes the MG151/20 not the anti-tank gun that was requested for the comparission.

One13
01-06-2008, 08:44 AM
The request was for film of a "20 mm anti materiel rifle" and the NTW 20 rifle is classed as that.

Bearcat99
01-06-2008, 12:16 PM
Originally posted by DmdSeeker:
600 yrds, and he's using a tripod and a telescopic sight.
Sure, the round has enormous energy, but I wonder if he'd have hit it if he'd strapped the rifle to a jeep and tried hitting the target whie driving over a rough field at 30 mph.
That's why you need to get close in IL-2, not because the guns suck, but because aiming at 400 mph in some one's slip stream is different from lying prone woth a tripod and telescopic sight.

Well of course all that is true.. but still.... I think that the 50s as modelled are decent however I don't think they are API rounds though... because the damage that is done even at 225m is not comparable to what we saw on that video. Then again.. who knows if 50 cal rounds have changed much over the years.. I don't...

Schwarz.13
01-07-2008, 05:20 AM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
Then again.. who knows if 50 cal rounds have changed much over the years.. I don't...

Maybe they don't make 20mm HE ammo like they used to either - P-38 Hispano test (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3316529261715180734&q=ww2+gov)

Bear in mind that that was a Hispano (and not say an MG151/20 firing Minengecsho▀) - it still seemed to do way more damage to the oil drum than the 20mm rifle in the vid above!

But then again, are all oil drums created equal???

Blutarski2004
01-07-2008, 06:24 AM
Originally posted by Schwarz.13:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
Then again.. who knows if 50 cal rounds have changed much over the years.. I don't...

Maybe they don't make 20mm HE ammo like they used to either - P-38 Hispano test (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3316529261715180734&q=ww2+gov)

Bear in mind that that was a Hispano (and not say an MG151/20 firing Minengecsho▀) - it still seemed to do way more damage to the oil drum than the 20mm rifle in the vid above!

But then again, are all oil drums created equal??? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


..... Not all projectiles are created equal either ;-). The difference you observed is probably due to HE versus AP optimized ammunition.

Schwarz.13
01-07-2008, 06:32 AM
Originally posted by Blutarski2004:
The difference you observed is probably due to HE versus AP optimized ammunition.

If you watch the 20mm Rifle video again you'll notice that the ammo fired on the oil drum was HE but the ammo used on the reinforced railway sleeper was 'Semi-AP' http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Choctaw111
01-07-2008, 09:50 AM
You cannot really compare kinetic energy to chemical. There are advantages to both. Interesting vid on the 20mm rifle. I had already knew about them but never saw that film.

roybaty
01-07-2008, 09:55 AM
You're a bad, bad man http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif


Originally posted by Aimail101:
Funny thing is I bet you could knock out a tiger tank with one of those. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

M_Gunz
01-07-2008, 10:20 AM
Part 1 of 4 -- Allied Propaganda disguised as training materials! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XEcZS9WZs8)

But then, light tanks in 1942 are not Tigers.

Add: LOL, more Allied Propaganda disguised as War Film! (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7408991851697507864)

Although when I see that word in the hyper sense, I think of this song:
Propaganda Lyrics (http://www.sparks-lyrics.co.uk/propaganda.html)

Here they are doing a slower song that's almost as funny:
Honest, it's funny (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zzmob8EBzw&feature=related)

FliegerAas
01-07-2008, 02:15 PM
Are there any videos out there showing an 15,2mm IWS 2000 while shooting?

FPSOLKOR
01-07-2008, 02:56 PM
Originally posted by DmdSeeker:
Sure, the round has enormous energy, but I wonder if he'd have hit it if he'd strapped the rifle to a jeep and tried hitting the target whie driving over a rough field at 30 mph.

Then you can use something like this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qK6OP8I_VsE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA7QaNh8ZzM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwu3ivAJ68U&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4eYEQqyrG4&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3xjrufDnls&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8imIgaFTfLI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q8k7kSfVbo&NR=1