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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 11:01 PM
How cool would a cold war flight sim be? There are so many great aircraft that would be really fun to fly, like the B36 or the Vulcan or the Bear and Badger. Just imagine skimming the sea in a Buccaneer to lob some instant sunshine (a nuke) on a Russian battle ship, or returning the favour in a Badger over Washington.

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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 11:01 PM
How cool would a cold war flight sim be? There are so many great aircraft that would be really fun to fly, like the B36 or the Vulcan or the Bear and Badger. Just imagine skimming the sea in a Buccaneer to lob some instant sunshine (a nuke) on a Russian battle ship, or returning the favour in a Badger over Washington.

"They Gave All Their Tommorrows So That We Can Have Our Todays"

XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 11:07 PM
can we say "SR-71"?

SEXAY!

XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 11:15 PM
If its anything later than the Korean War, it would suck.

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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 11:19 PM
I can say SR-71...I could even model it from the inside out. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Cheers,

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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 11:20 PM
I was wondering why they bothered with modern day jets in Lock-On. Just think of the potential of a flight sim from either before or after the Korean Conflict up until the Berlin wall came down. Quite a span of time, but some of the most interesting years for combat aircraft development. Too bad Mig Alley was such a lousy game.


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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 11:21 PM
I think aslong as it was not totally USA orientated eg Vietnam Anything up to the early seventies would be cool. just llok at the possible campaigns other than Korea, There's Cuba, Suez, Eastern Bloc Invasion. jusy use your imagination.

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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 11:24 PM
TaZ_Attack wrote:
- I can say SR-71...I could even model it from the
- inside out.



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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 11:31 PM
commie1 wrote:
- TaZ_Attack wrote:
-- I can say SR-71...I could even model it from the
-- inside out.
-
-
-
- Remember to wax your bikini-line first.

Why is everything material for a personal insult with you commie?

Just FYI, I meant model as in 3D Max model.

Go away troll...



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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 11:37 PM
Why would you wanna fly something with no weapons that can't be shot down?

Booooring...

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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 11:48 PM
I fully agree.

I simply can't realize why game editors don't see the interest of developing fictional but realistic sims around the Cold War.

Imagine a fictional conflit around Berlin in 1948, or later in 1956. How many cool aircrafts were flying by that time? Simply a lot!

And for realistic scenarios, Korea would be perfect (I've already many times described the many cool planes which flew there) or Suez too (imagine to fly a Wyvern, a Sea Venom, a French Thunderstreak with Israeli colors, an Egyptian Meteor or a Lanc, a Camberra, a Sea Hawk, a Valiant, a Mig-15, a Shackelton...)

Sometimes, I regret not being a game editor or having enough cash to produce my own sim /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 11:50 PM
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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 11:51 PM
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XyZspineZyX
07-15-2003, 11:51 PM
Well if they ever get Strike Fighters patched it sounds like what you're talking about. Not as detailed as IL2FB by any means, but the planes look pretty.

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XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 12:00 AM
Tate_Bruce wrote:
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- Why would you wanna fly something with no weapons
- that can't be shot down?
-
- Booooring...


What makes you think it was unable carry armament? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Moreover, what makes you think it was unable to be shot down?

I guess you don't know why the USSR created the MiG-25 then...lol!

It's really too bad you don't have the imagination (or information for that matter) to see how this would be an interesting scenario. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Makes A-10s hunting tanks look like childs' play by comparison...

Cheers,

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XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 12:17 AM
If you make a really pretty Sr-71 and cockpit, maybe we can take PayPal donations to bribe Oleg to put it in FB!!

(can you imaging a prop (or even the jets) trying a kill it?

it wouldn't be that much fun against WWII planes (nothing could touch you), but I want somewhere where I can fly a detailed version of it.

ShadowHawk__
07-16-2003, 12:57 AM
I don't think any WWII era aircraft could touch even an A-4, nevermind an SR-71, nothing today can even touch an SR-71, other than maybe a MiG-25 or something, and even then just barely.

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XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 01:22 AM
I would love a sim, with B-52s flying over Moscow and Bears flying over Washington! I would love to fly that B-36, man that thing was massive! And it also carried its own escort fighter. If they model nuclear weapons ill buy it/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 01:26 AM
Taz you're such feckin snot nose!



TaZ_Attack wrote:
- Tate_Bruce wrote:
--
-- Why would you wanna fly something with no weapons
-- that can't be shot down?
--
-- Booooring...
-
-
- What makes you think it was unable carry armament?
- /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
-
- Moreover, what makes you think it was unable to be
- shot down?
-
- I guess you don't know why the USSR created the
- MiG-25 then...lol!
-
- It's really too bad you don't have the imagination
- (or information for that matter) to see how this
- would be an interesting scenario. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
-
- Makes A-10s hunting tanks look like childs' play by
- comparison...
-
- Cheers,
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XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 02:03 AM
I don't understand how or even why the SR71 would or could carry weapons.

Flying at 60,000+ and mach whatever, I don't see how you could just open a bay door and shoot out a missile.

XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 03:04 AM
I want a Cold War Sim.

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XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 03:33 AM
It HAD missiles, but I believe they out ran them.

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XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 04:23 AM
Aflak wrote:
- If you make a really pretty Sr-71 and cockpit, maybe
- we can take PayPal donations to bribe Oleg to put it
- in FB!!
-
- (can you imaging a prop (or even the jets) trying a
- kill it?
-
- it wouldn't be that much fun against WWII planes
- (nothing could touch you), but I want somewhere
- where I can fly a detailed version of it.

Well, I talked to an old friend, and since the program is once again online, I don't think I could or even would want to share any information I might have on the matter.

With that said, my knowledge is conceptual at best, and enough info has been made public for someone else to develop a close proximity.

Besides, someone would have to design a KC-135, unless unlimited fuel was turned on...

I have no idea what the DOD is doing with the Blackbird now, but whatever it is, I'm sure it's interesting. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Of course, most of us won't live long enough to see that info declassified...

Cheers,

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Message Edited on 07/16/0304:43AM by TaZ_Attack

XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 04:32 AM
VonShlagnoff wrote:
Anything up to the early seventies would
be cool. just llok at the possible campaigns other
than Korea, There's Cuba, Suez, Eastern Bloc
Invasion. jusy use your imagination.

This is interesting. "Eastern Bloc Invasion" Big whatif.

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XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 05:14 AM
KDiggity8 wrote:
- I don't understand how or even why the SR71 would or
- could carry weapons.
-
- Flying at 60,000+ and mach whatever, I don't see how
- you could just open a bay door and shoot out a
- missile.
-
- The first units built were 15 A-12 strike models configured for both reconnaissance and attack missions. These single-seat aircraft were delivered to the CIA beginning in 1962, although one was modified for use as a two-seat trainer and two more gained a second seat for a launch officer to operate a GTD-21 drone. These early aircraft could carry a centerline pod containing a 1-megaton nuclear bomb or the D-21 recon drone armed with cameras, infrared sensors, and other equipment. Three new two-seat aircraft were also built as YF-12A high-speed interceptors, but these were primarily employed as research aircraft in conjunction with NASA. The A-12s were flown by the Air Force on behalf of the CIA until the more advanced SR-71, a dedicated reconnaissance model, became fully operational in 1968. The SR-71 featured an improved airframe, increased fuel capacity, and better aerodynamic performance but lacked the weapons bay of the earlier models. The SR-71 was also equipped with in-flight refueling capability to compensate for the design's high fuel consumption and to extend its range.

Although much of the SR-71's capabilities are still unknown, it is believed that the aircraft could carry a 1-megaton nuclear device, the recon drone, plus other advanced cameras, sensors and reconnaissance equipment. These systems gave the Blackbird the ability to perform surveillance of up to 80,000 square miles (207,000 sq km) per hour. Production is believed to have totalled 32 aircraft, including 29 SR-71A reconnaissasance models, two SR-71B trainers, and a single SR-71C trainer that was rebuilt from one of the YF-12s. Although the SR-71 provided invaluable reconnaissance capabilities over world hot spots throughout the Cold War, it was a very expensive vehicle to maintain and operate. Increasing support costs and decreasing budgets led the Air Force to retire the aircraft, amid much fanfare, in 1990. Three of the retired airframes were placed in storage at Lockheed's Palmdale plant to be reactivated should they be needed. The only models remaining in service were another three SR-71s operated by NASA for high-speed research.


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XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 09:29 AM
Ah, an YF-12, even more pretty bird than the standard SR-71!

XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 10:02 AM
a sim in such a fictious scenario would be great

but i think that in a really-hot-cold-war-sim the campaign would be pretty short..

day 1 mission 1: some ground attack mission at the start of the conflict
day 2 mission 2: intercept some enemy bombers
day 2 mission 3: let´s nuke the b@stards!

a not so hot cold war with recon missions and secret attack and stuff would be better, imho.

Also imagine the size of the maps that would be required..

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btw.. has anyone in the german-speaking countries seen "history" on zdf (on Sunday, iirc) - there was a nice what-if scenario about the fall of the berlin wall resulting in WW3 - nice video material...

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XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 10:16 AM
Right, SF has some very cool features (very good aircraft models, a nice render engine, good landscapes - the new third-party ones etc...).

In fact, this game could be a real success...but only with realistic FM and DM and better cockpits!

Cheers,

XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 03:21 PM
SkyChimp wrote:
- I want a Cold War Sim.
-
I agree. We need a Korean war sim like Mig alley, but with Olegs graphics. It would Rock!!!

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XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 04:03 PM
Blue_smiley wrote:
- a sim in such a fictious scenario would be great
-
- but i think that in a really-hot-cold-war-sim the
- campaign would be pretty short..
-
- day 1 mission 1: some ground attack mission at the
- start of the conflict
- day 2 mission 2: intercept some enemy bombers
- day 2 mission 3: let´s nuke the b@stards!
-
- a not so hot cold war with recon missions and secret
- attack and stuff would be better, imho.
-
- Also image the size of the maps that would be
- required..
-

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XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 04:13 PM
Ahhhh, mmmmm one of my fav rides....


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I hope the second SFP1 patch gets to completion. I still have fun flying around in it, though.



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XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 04:56 PM
We do have a neat sim of a ficticious secenario during the cold war (although it is not a flight sim). Operation Flashpoint.

You can fly planes in it too (although they are toned down in comparison to IL-2 FB).

None the less it is an amazing game.

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XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 06:25 PM
I'm so glad it was not just me! But how do we go about getting someone to make it? I dont think map sizes will be a problem because by the time its finished (if) there will probably be 4 gig processors and 512k graphics cards at reasonable prices! And how about a TSR2 model?

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XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 06:34 PM
LordOliver wrote:
- Ahhhh, mmmmm one of my fav rides....
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-
- I hope the second SFP1 patch gets to completion. I
- still have fun flying around in it, though.
-
-
Ow wow! THAT sim is a big waste of money! poor cockpit designing (altough not that poor as with CFS3) very very funny flight model, very boring terrain and absolutly no way to trim the aircraft so, you'll have to hold the stick in a vertain direction all the time.

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XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 06:49 PM
Not that bad of a cockpit design... yes the trim part really bugs me, but it is allegedly being worked on as well.

I may not live long enough to see a 2nd patch for it since it seems that TK is working on it soley on a personal basis from what I gather, but it is an ok light sim. Some good 3rd party work on planes, SAM's and other objects.. plus it is the only sim so far that lets me fly one of these:


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I'm not saying it is a super great sim, still needs a lot of work, but it is still on my HD along with Flanker when I need a break from prop sims, and I still enjoy it.

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XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 07:19 PM
It'd be great to have a cold war euro theater sim. I'd love to fly the Saab J35 in them. Some F5 would be supercool to, and of course the F4.

I think the best would be to fly the F4G in WWIII over Europe.

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XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 07:35 PM
The best period without the "radar and missiles cheating" /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif would be from 1948 to 1956! Of course, with the Korean conflict as a main part. Imagine operations from carriers with Panthers!

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XyZspineZyX
07-16-2003, 07:40 PM
I think a spy satellite sim would be great Dave /i/smilies/16x16_robot-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-19-2003, 07:01 AM
LordOliver wrote:
- Not that bad of a cockpit design... yes the trim
- part really bugs me, but it is allegedly being
- worked on as well.
-
- I may not live long enough to see a 2nd patch for it
- since it seems that TK is working on it soley on a
- personal basis from what I gather, but it is an ok
- light sim. Some good 3rd party work on planes,
- SAM's and other objects..

Well, a product that is not good, right from the start, will never be as good I think.

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XyZspineZyX
07-19-2003, 10:37 AM
Hell yeah. Back when Britain built great aeroplanes.

Hunter.
Lightning.
Vulcan.
Harrier / Sea Harrier.
Buccaneer.

Among others.

I'd love some of that action.

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XyZspineZyX
07-19-2003, 11:57 AM
Personaly Id love to fly a Black Bird

between 65to79 would be some great ac for a sim

I still havent see a sim that did the Tomcat Justice

Id love to pound some ground in that bird & put her down on the deck of an ac carier


Altho Falcon 4 was awsome its multiplayer aspects & ultra realisim is hard to get into

I like my reality with a twist of fiction for funs sake

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XyZspineZyX
07-19-2003, 06:27 PM
Aardvark892 wrote:

Too bad Mig
- Alley was such a lousy game.

Mig alley is a great game, just lousy graphics compared to IL 2 and alot of bugs. Great campaign when it worked and excellent FMs. Mine keeps crashing!! Anyway, I totally agree with you! It would be awesome for Oleg to develop a korean war sim! I would love to fly his F-84 or MiG-15s!!! What a rush to fly these jets online! Anyway, I think he is comitted to Lock On. I do not see the fun in looking at a radar screen and pressing a button and your radar saying you got a kill. Fun?

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XyZspineZyX
07-19-2003, 08:31 PM
Oleg has nothing to do with Lock On.. totally different Russian company..