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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 08:08 AM
Hey I havnt heard anything about this lately, but is it still impossible to kill an IL2 by hitting its oil cooler? I havent tried since the most recent patches, but if not this should be fixed.

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 08:08 AM
Hey I havnt heard anything about this lately, but is it still impossible to kill an IL2 by hitting its oil cooler? I havent tried since the most recent patches, but if not this should be fixed.

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 10:16 AM
This used to be THE way of downing a IL2 , but not anymore.

I remember back in the il2 days I would make one pass with accurate burst to oil cooler, once smoking I would never look back.

With FB I havent been able to hit IL2 radiator one single time.

XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 11:22 AM
Hit one the other night under the nose and it started smoking, so I guess this still applies. Concentrated fire on the tailplane and elevators also seems to work well. Also read a story about Werner Molders on hearing of a JG77 pilot complaining of a botched attack on an IL2 took the pilot up the next day and demonstrated how to kill them. Apparently, fired at the cockpit with a 30 degree deflection. Hits on the unprotected top of the fuel tank behind the cockpit got results. Haven't tested this out in FB as yet and could be hazardous against the two seater versions.

XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 11:26 AM
In 1.11 the oil cooler is invulnerable to rifle calibre MG fire.

The developers are aware of this IIRC.

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 12:01 PM
Yep, used to be that some well placed rounds in the oil cooler would be the "beginning of the end" for an IL-2. The smoke was usually fairly thick and, after a reasonable time, the engine would seize or catch fire and the plane would go down. I shot one online the other night and it flew unabated, continuing its attack on the airbase for a very long time trailing light smoke. Barkhorn and Hartmann wrote that the IL-2 oil cooler was its Achilles Heel, but recent patches have modeled it otherwise.

XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 03:25 PM
But then it might be correct, `cause closing the cooler of the IL2 protected the oil cooler with a movable armour plate. Maybe this is modelled now, protecting the cooler from rifle caliber fire, but not from cannon?

Maybe we should test it online, shooting at a human IL2 with MG`s with cooler open and closed (`cause noone knows the actual cooler settings of one AI IL")

Z.

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 03:31 PM
developer could say that how it is modelled, so no need to test it. developer could say many things more about modelling DM etc of different planes, things like what is modelled and what isnt.

XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 04:17 PM
AI must fly with that armor constantly in place cause ive never been able to kill one.

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 08:08 PM
Hmm, tried it myself in the QMB - E4 vs IL-2 1 series - oil cooler hit, thick grey smoke comes out of the left side of the engine, obvious loss of speed afterwards. First time I shot the IL-2 enough to have the tail come completely off. Second time, oil cooler hit then quick burst of cannon blew him up.

F-4 on a IL-2 Type 3, 1943 model - oil cooler was especially vulnerable to the 8mms on this one, just a couple shots and wam, the airplane is just a sitting duck. Ran into the ground shortly after the oil cooler hit.

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 08:54 PM
JG77_Tintin wrote:

- Concentrated fire on the tailplane and elevators
- also seems to work well.

I frequently find a single ping from flak will take out elevator & rudder controls on my IL-2. Fighters do the same, but that's more often after a hail of tracer rather than just one '****' sound. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Engine will also run rough and sieze up, which I assume is result of oil cooler hit.

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 10:01 PM
The cooler itself (meaning the box the protrudes from the fuselage) is invicible not only to 7mm, but 20mm, 37mm, and 45mm.

I suggest you try this in arcade mode. The cooler itself is invulnerable to everything. Thats what I found in testing every weapon I could think of.

Hits to other parts of the plane will make the cooler smoke. For example, if you hit the fuselage above the cooler, the cooler will start to smoke.

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 12:11 AM
Cept I *was* hitting the oil cooler. I was closer than 5 meters to that target and peppered that thing with hits. It was leaking that thick oil, be sure!

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 12:25 AM
And tested it again, with a wide variety of axis weapons; F-2 with 15mm cannon and 8mm MG, that oil cooler was out awful damn fast. G-6 Late with 13mm only, care taken to aim for the cooler - went out snap like that. 20mm cut the control wires and sent it plummeting.

Fw-190A-8 with default - took no care to aim for the oil cooler, but it went out with the first few hits.

I have no idea what makes you guys think the oil cooler is invulnerable.

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 02:19 AM
I just did a simple test today.I got a Bf 109-E, emptied the cannons and use it against four sturmoviks. I used unarmed sturmovik and arcade mode to ensure precise aiming. I was aiming for the oil cooler. Only one precise short burst from the MG's and moved to the next one. Once I have hit all of them in the cooler, I just watched them. In eight minutes all sturmoviks went down.Is true they don't go down as fast as the 109 but they go down.

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 04:10 AM
The result of my tests is: You are both correct.

The radiator has two openings, which are divided horizontally. If you hit the lower opening, you can bring down the "flying tank" with some small caliber MG bullets.

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If you hit the upper opening, nothing happens (I tried with MGs only).

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 04:41 AM
interesting, wasnt out to start a flame war I was just curious because I know in 1.0 you couldnt kill the cooler. That is good to know that it can be done now.

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10-24-2003, 07:18 AM
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