PDA

View Full Version : Complete "newbie" to flight simulation and in real need of aid



ChickenLipsRfun
01-17-2008, 09:07 PM
I've always been one of those people who wanted to get into flight sims but never took the time to really learn them. I decided with the purchase of my new computer to change all that, and I went out and bought a Saitek X52 controller and Pacific Fighters (as well as LOMAC).

My issue is this; I cannot seem to get the Saitek controller working with Pacific Fighters. I have literally spent 30 minutes trying to do the "Take off from a carrier" training mission. My issue isn't rudder control, at least not yet, my issue is simply moving forward!

I cannot get the aircraft to move forward at all! I have mapped all my keys appropriately and most of them give me an on-screen update when I click them. For example, when I extend my wings, it says "extending wings" and similarly when I increase power I see the power increase listed on the far lower right of the screen. Other things however are not tracking, and I wonder if this is the issue.

When I set my mixture to rich, I see no confirmation, similarly my brake, which I was holding down thru power-up, never was indicated. Once I reach 110% power I release the brake button and yet, nothing happens. I don't lurch right or left, nor do I trickle forward. I simply listen to the roar of my engine and wonder why, oh why am I not moving forward.

Finally frustrated beyond belief, I decide to just load a quick combat mission to at least feel flight a bit. I load up and then WHAM! Down I plumet. I pull up on my control stick but no response on the aircraft. I check power, 100%, I move flaps and I think I trim up my elevators (though I have no clue as there is no effect on a plummeting aircraft and there is no indication scrolling across my right hand screen). So I check controller settings, and it appears the Saitek is being seen... hmmm?

Do I need a profile to play Pacific Fightes? I thought I had read it was one of the few games that was very playable without one. Is it simply my immense ignorance of flight that has me stumped or some nefarious combination of knowledge lacking and hardware not calibrated correctly?

I truly appreciate any and all help.

berg417448
01-17-2008, 09:16 PM
The aircraft isn't moving on the carrier deck because you need to remove the chocks first. Assign a key to "chocks" in the Controls section.

Zeus-cat
01-17-2008, 10:02 PM
Do two things.

1) Download and install my "Straight From the Farm" campaign to learn how to takeoff and land on grass and carriers. I even tell you want basic functions to map like chocks, fold wings, etc. See link below. Free installation instructions included in the readme file for the campaign.

2) Go read the Nugget's thread at the top of the General Discussion page.

ChickenLipsRfun
01-17-2008, 10:02 PM
A wheel chock? I never even considered it! Thank you so much! I wonder why they didn't cover that in the tutorial?

Any clue on my issues with the Saitek X52?

ChickenLipsRfun
01-17-2008, 10:03 PM
Thank you Zeus Cat, I was just about off to bed but now with this, Im downloading and preparing to play along with a newly refreshed glass of Glenlivet. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Zeus-cat
01-17-2008, 10:06 PM
If you have any problems installing the campaign, post here or send me an email at zeuscat@sbcglobal.net

I don't check the forums during the day because they are blocked at work, but I can check email.

RAAF_Furball
01-18-2008, 07:29 AM
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">You don't need a profile, but it helps.
Go here http://www.raafsquad.com/msgbrd/viewtopic.php?t=685 to try mine.
Get some others from the Saitek site, have a play and make your own decision.

Your best way to learn is get online with some friendly blokes and ask some questions. (This works for me, anyway - I hate manuals.)</span>

Mercwolf2
01-18-2008, 07:32 AM
Welcome to the world of flight sims. The Down on the farm campaign is great to learn to takeoff and land aircraft. They did a great job creating this campaign. Do not get discouraged as this game is very hard. Just keep at it. Like everything in life practice makes perfect. try flying online in Hyperlobby. It also adds a new experience in flying as people are unpredictable and have varying skill levels. Ypu may want to try to join a squadron as they will help to teach you things as well. There is also Joint-ops which is an online flight school for IL2. I have attached a link for you.

http://www.joint-ops.com/joil2fb/default.asp

Zeus-cat
01-18-2008, 05:25 PM
Welcome to the world of flight sims. The Down on the farm campaign is great to learn to takeoff and land aircraft. They did a great job creating this campaign.

Just to clarify several points:

1) The campaign is entitled "Straight From the Farm".

2) "They" is me, just me - little ole Zeus-cat. The game developers had nothing to do with this. The game distributors had nothing to do with this. I created this all by myself for the benefit of the community. The only help I had came from my squadmates - the Hell Hounds, who did a quick review of the completed campaign.

<span class="ev_code_RED">And for those who found the campaign helpful, a quick review at Mission4Today would be greatly appreciated.</span>

VW-IceFire
01-18-2008, 06:35 PM
Just a suggestion but a little "touch and go" (thats fly around the airfield, land, but then power back up and takeoff again in pilot lingo) on a grass airfield might be the best way to start off and think about the carriers later. Carriers are always a tricky proposition...even when you're pretty good at flying.

Zeus-cat's Straight From the Farm is definitely well recommended by quite a few. I've never flown it but just to back him up here its definitely worth playing through as a new player trying to get into it.

The initial learning curve of the game is steep but totally worth it once you get the hang of it. The experience is fantastic. Good luck!

ChickenLipsRfun
01-18-2008, 08:45 PM
Thanks for the responses everyone. I'm loading up Zeus-cat's mod "Straight from the farm" now and will be giving it a go until I get these machines down pat a bit.

RAAF_Furball, I didn't see the profile listed in the post you directed me to, unless I missed it somehwere in your website. Is it possible the Zip file is no longer available?

Thanks again everyone.

RAAF_Furball
01-18-2008, 10:02 PM
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">The way the files were attached meant that you needed to join our Message Board to download them.
I've changed them to links, so you should be able to see (& D/L) them now.</span>

Bearcat99
01-20-2008, 01:09 PM
First off... get IL2 1946 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/4591089933/r/4591089933#4591089933) then hit the Nugget's Guide in my sig and read it.

ChickenLipsRfun
01-20-2008, 07:34 PM
Another likely stupid question but...

I have a few different profiles for the Saitek X52 and have them loaded up. I've made a bit of a hybrid of one with a few variations I prefer and have it profiled and loaded yet when I launch the game, it doesn't seem to recognize any of the commands and I then have to go in and re-map them all in the options menu which would be fine except I'm trying to use two modes from the controller.

Is there something I need to do to make certain the game recognizes my Saitek profile?

Thank you!

RAAF_Furball
01-20-2008, 09:01 PM
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">
There are no stupid questions .....

In IL2 Setup, have you told the game to use the X52? (I suspect yes) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

You say: "re-map them all in the options menu". I suspect you mean "Controls" in the game?

In the game controls, have you made sure that (for example) key 'B' matches the function you have set for the button in your X52 profile?
ie. "B" in game controls = brake = "POV Hat 3" in X52 profile

Try loading the right profile, a wrong profile, then the right one again.
</span>

Billy_BigBoy
01-21-2008, 04:26 AM
Originally posted by ChickenLipsRfun:
... and preparing to play along with a newly refreshed glass of Glenlivet. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

You've just combined two of the best things in our lifetime: A very good single malt and a very good flight sim. Enjoy them both. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

btw, welcome to the community.

Rock_Kettler
01-22-2008, 02:16 PM
The thought occurs that if you have bought a new PC it's almost certain your running Vista. The original Saitek software will not run properly in Vista. You'll need to download the appropriate beta software for your particular hardware from the Saitek site (www.siatek.com). The second lot of bad news is that the old profiles wont work either. You'll have to create new ones. Now only one file (name.pr0, vice .dat and .pr0 files)) for each profile. They go into Saitek folder in Public/Public Documents.
Hope that helps.

ChickenLipsRfun
01-23-2008, 08:50 PM
Rock_Kettler I appreciate the thought, I actually built the PC and installed XP Pro in an effort to avoid any nagging Vista issues. So far, I've been glad I did!

96th_Nightshifter
01-23-2008, 09:54 PM
Welcome to the community!

You will of course get addicted to this, it happens don't feel bad about it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

When you do your going to want this IL21946 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/4591089933/r/4591089933#4591089933)

Bearcat suggested this earlier bit I wasn't sure if you saw it. It basically combines all expansions and patches (except for the latest one) onto one install. Well worth the money and adds soooo much more to your game than you currently have with "pacific Fighters".

Have fun!

ChickenLipsRfun
01-24-2008, 07:14 PM
Thanks gang, I orderd the game already upon recommendation here. In addition, I grabbed a Summit racing seat and some steel bits with the intention of building a pilots seat that I can place in front of my PC as well as move into my Home Theatre Room. I'm basically emulating the following:

http://www.contact-simulations.com/acatalog/THE_PILOTS_SEAT.html#a586

They don't have a U.S. Distribution so I'll try and build one myself. So far I'm absolutely adoring this genre and my only regret is not getting in earlier. The Straight from the Farm campaign is absolutely brilliant and I feel has brought me up to speed far faster than I ever would have alone. I very much appreciate the work.

The only issue I'm still having is getting my Saitek Profile to over-ride the default controls in-game. When I go into Input in Pacific Fighters options I don't see a place to choose my flightstick, only options allowing me to tweak the various zones on the control axis. I'll get it figured out long before getting into a fight though, currently I'm just practicing taking off, flying a bit and landing.

ChickenLipsRfun
01-24-2008, 07:22 PM
One more thing, I wanted to alert everyone here in case another newbie arrives;

IL Sturmovik 1946 is available for purchase and download online via direct 2 drive.

http://www.direct2drive.com/1/3021/product/Buy-IL-2-Sturmovik:-1946-Download

RAAF_Furball
01-24-2008, 10:27 PM
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">

Nice cockpit.

</span>


Originally posted by ChickenLipsRfun:
...... getting my Saitek Profile to over-ride the default controls in-game. <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">

It's not a question of overriding the ingame controls, but making them the same. As I said above:</span>
In the game controls, have you made sure that (for example) key 'B' matches the function you have set for the button in your X52 profile?
ie. "B" in game controls = brake = "POV Hat 3" in X52 profile

ChickenLipsRfun
01-25-2008, 06:55 AM
Ahh okay so I am not understanding the purpose of the profile I suppose. Should I just not worry about profiles and simply setup all the controls in-game? I had simply assumed the profiles sort of "auto-sorted" or auto assigned the keyboard commands within the game so redundancy was reduced.

RAAF_Furball
01-25-2008, 07:31 AM
Originally posted by ChickenLipsRfun:
I had simply assumed the profiles sort of "auto-sorted" or auto assigned the keyboard commands within the game so redundancy was reduced. No, you must set the keys in game controls and then match them in your profile.

To my understanding, you need a profile configured to match the same keys / functions as set in the game. The Default profile will only have some of the functions you'll want to use.

Since I wanted to use CFS2 keys (that I'd been using for years) I configured IL2 to use the same keys.
I then configured my X52 Profile to the same keys.

For me:
- it's a bit like computer programming - it's all gobbledy-**** until the penny drops. I spent hours on it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
- the programming techniques only made sense when I looked at someone else's profile and I could see what was possible. Were you able to download my profile for comparison? (Link on previous page.)

I hope that a picture (3 actually) is worth a thousand words).


http://www.furball.catlink.net/Images/game_controls.jpg


http://www.furball.catlink.net/Images/profile_pic.jpg

This is clever - macros can repeat keys, in this case 7 or 8 for manual gear raise and lower

http://www.furball.catlink.net/Images/X52macro.jpg

ChickenLipsRfun
01-26-2008, 08:38 PM
Thanks Furball, I've got it working well now and your help is a big part of that.

Now to get some seat time, I'm a terrible pilot.