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BlitzPig_DDT
01-17-2007, 11:07 AM
I'm hoping to get an answer here, since 2 attempts in the GD got nowhere. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Is there any difference (at all) between the 2 new Salamanders (the V tails, C and D)?

I've not noticed any difference in speed, climb, roll, or turn.

I've not done any thorough testing as I don't have time, which is why I'm asking here. It feels like we have 2 3D models using the same exact underlying code, which doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Waldo.Pepper
01-17-2007, 12:32 PM
2 3D models using the same exact underlying code, which doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense.

You're not wearing your cynical hat enough. This way the developer gets to claim an additional plane is included for a reduced amount of effort. Perhaps?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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BlitzPig_DDT
01-17-2007, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">2 3D models using the same exact underlying code, which doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense.

You're not wearing your cynical hat enough. This way the developer gets to claim an additional plane is included for a reduced amount of effort. Perhaps? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe. But I have my doubts about that. And I certainly hope it's not true.

Takes a lot of time to make a 3D model. If it was a "gift" (iow - someone did it in spare time for free), then why not make it AI only? If one is assuming cynically that the goal was extra "flyables", then the Do-335A could have been cloned and one model with MW-50 could have been added (similar to the MiG-9's which appear to be clones save for cannon size and engine stalls from from firing said cannon). Or any number of other cloned slight mod's. In fact, they could have done that with *several* and really cranked up the number of flyables that marketing could cite.

So.... like I said, I have my doubts (and really hope it's not the case too). http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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JG53Frankyboy
01-17-2007, 01:33 PM
well, do you "see" any serious differences in the F6Fs or the F4U/Corsairs, the A6M3,5 and 5A ?? in performance i mean.

so, it would be not the first time ..............

FritzGryphon
01-17-2007, 05:11 PM
Well, you won't know the difference until you test them.

HGII_Hotshot_DK
01-17-2007, 06:33 PM
The C and D versions have HS 011 A engines, where the old one has bmw 003. Sadly they didn't change the 3D model of the new engines...so they still looks like bmw 003 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

BlitzPig_DDT
01-17-2007, 08:53 PM
Originally posted by FritzGryphon:
Well, you won't know the difference until you test them.

Or ask someone who either A) already has, or B) has the time and inclination to do so.

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Ugly_Kid
01-18-2007, 08:35 AM
Well Il-2 Compare gives them two exactly matching curves...

That's about the size of getting so many diffent and kewl looking flyables http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Snootles
01-18-2007, 09:01 AM
Not exactly a scientific test, but I flew the A and C versions in QMB Crimea at very low altitude (few hundred meters). Best level speed for A, 856 km/h. Best for C, 924 km/h.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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mynameisroland
01-18-2007, 09:27 AM
Fw 190 A5 and A6
Spitfire IX and VIII

are two more sets of aircraft with exactly the same FMs<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Ugly_Kid
01-18-2007, 09:38 AM
il-2 compare seems to also indicate identical performance for Me-262A-1a and Me-262HG-II...<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

http://www.f19vs.se/fokker_now.jpg

HGII_Hotshot_DK
01-18-2007, 10:00 AM
the HGII in 4.071 has has now He S 011 A engines. it has exactly similar max speed(dive speed, not level) as the 1-a1.

NekoReaperman
01-18-2007, 12:27 PM
You sure, i got the HG up to and over 1000KMPH in level flight today (no dive), i know that the A1 couldnt have done that<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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ImpStarDuece
01-18-2007, 12:35 PM
Originally posted by mynameisroland:
Fw 190 A5 and A6
Spitfire IX and VIII

are two more sets of aircraft with exactly the same FMs

Spit VIII and Spit IX are a little different.

You can definately dive the Mk VIII faster than the Mk IX, and it feels a touch better at high speeds in terms of controlability and rudder sensitivity than the IX as well.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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mynameisroland
01-18-2007, 12:46 PM
climb turn and speed are all the same.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Willey
01-18-2007, 02:39 PM
Originally posted by Ugly_Kid:
il-2 compare seems to also indicate identical performance for Me-262A-1a and Me-262HG-II...

I have no HG in my Compare http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Anyway, in 4.07 they have the same performance, in 4.071 the HG actually is better.

I noticed one difference regarding the C/D Heinkels. The D has concrete control surfaces. The C is more manoeuverable at high speed. But that's the only diff I see... would have liked te D to be faster, more stable at high AoA or something because of maybe better aerodynamics.