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GunnyHighway99
09-05-2007, 11:38 AM
Hello,

I've been fooling around with the La7, especially the one with the 3 20mm cannons. As with some of the guns on the Bf109, the armament on the La7 is mounted very close to the centerline/longitudinal axis of the aircraft.

1) Is weapons convergence distance a factor on the La7?

Thanks!!

VMF-214_HaVoK
09-05-2007, 12:13 PM
Yes, it will effect the trajectory of the rounds.

S!

berg417448
09-05-2007, 12:16 PM
Don't forget that there is a vertical component to convergence. If your convergence is set to a long distance then the projectile will travel a path with a higher arc than if it is set to a very close distance.

Freelancer-1
09-05-2007, 12:29 PM
I always wondered about that.

So, if you are firing when in an unusual attitude, say inverted, does the loft component of the convergence mean you haven't got a hope in hell of hitting what is in your sights?

I ask because it seems to me that when inverted, the bullet will 'lift' towards the ground and just keep going, won't it?

general_kalle
09-05-2007, 12:43 PM
hmm

so,

Fire Arc deponds on Convergence...and Velocity.
right?

VMF-214_HaVoK
09-05-2007, 01:33 PM
Originally posted by general_kalle:
hmm

so,

Fire Arc deponds on Convergence...and Velocity.
right?

Yep.

S!

BirdieNum-nums
09-05-2007, 11:34 PM
Hang on a second here! I read somewhere that the La7's guns are fixed and are NOT affected by convergence, just like the guns in the P-38, the nose-mounted MGs in the Dora and etc...

Correct me if I'm wrong but convergence settings are for wing-mounted guns, not nose-mounted guns.

This needs to be checked out, but almost 99.999999999 percent sure.

Birdie Num-nums

DKoor
09-06-2007, 12:16 AM
It doesn't matter really all that much since you'll probably score even if you set 100m conv.
As long as you shoot in close range you'll nail everything.

For sniping sure, larger conv is good.

VMF-214_HaVoK
09-06-2007, 02:14 AM
Originally posted by BirdieNum-nums:
Hang on a second here! I read somewhere that the La7's guns are fixed and are NOT affected by convergence, just like the guns in the P-38, the nose-mounted MGs in the Dora and etc...

Correct me if I'm wrong but convergence settings are for wing-mounted guns, not nose-mounted guns.

This needs to be checked out, but almost 99.999999999 percent sure.

Birdie Num-nums

Rather its true or not it certainly has an effect on nose mounted guns in this game. It simple to check out if you care to try. I rarely fire beyond 200 meters because Im not that desperate so it dont effect me too much. I always get a chuckle out of those guys who fire like crazy from 800 meters away. Sure sometimes they get lucky, but thats all it is...luck. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

S!

S!

Kocur_
09-06-2007, 04:40 AM
Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
Yes, it will effect the trajectory of the rounds.


I would expect that too - if you meant vertical, but its not what game does...
Thats P-47D with inner quad set at 100m and outer at 1000m. Not only difference between points of impact is rather small, but also actually 100m projectiles hit... higher, which is exactly opposite to what one would expect.

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z237/Kotsoor/th_convergence100_1000mP-47D.jpg (http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z237/Kotsoor/convergence100_1000mP-47D.jpg)


But ok, .50s were flat trajectory weapons. "Perhaps" in the game is soooo flat, that... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
I dont think we have any more rainbow-shaped trajectory weapon than MK108. It should give lots of difference in point of impact between 100m and 1000 meters convergences, right?
Wrong...
100m:
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z237/Kotsoor/th_convergence100mFw190A9MK108.jpg (http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z237/Kotsoor/convergence100mFw190A9MK108.jpg)

1000m
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z237/Kotsoor/th_convergence1000mFw190A9MK108.jpg (http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z237/Kotsoor/convergence1000mFw190A9MK108.jpg)


All in all convergence settings in the game do not work in vertical...
On the other hand even fuselage/cowling mounted guns are affected by convergence settings in horizontal (P-38 seems to be an exception)...

waffen-79
09-06-2007, 08:44 AM
So vertical arc IS NOT modelled

Convergence applies when there is more than 1 nose-mounted machinegun/cannon

(except propeller cannons like 109 or yak)

right?

Kocur_
09-06-2007, 09:13 AM
Originally posted by waffen-79:
So vertical arc IS NOT modelled

Trajectory is ballistic curve-shaped I belive, just that altering convergence "moves" the guns only in horizontal. Apparently neither guns in vertical nor gunsight are adjusted...


Originally posted by waffen-79:
Convergence applies when there is more than 1 nose-mounted machinegun/cannon

(except propeller cannons like 109 or yak)

right?

Almost perfectly, as single cowling 12,7mm in some Yaks also gets moved - seemingly both in X and Y...
Yak-9M, 12,7mm @ 100m
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z237/Kotsoor/th_convergence100m127mmYak9.jpg (http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z237/Kotsoor/convergence100m127mmYak9.jpg)

Yak-9M, 12,7mm @ 1000m
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z237/Kotsoor/th_convergence1000m127mmYak9.jpg (http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z237/Kotsoor/convergence1000m127mmYak9.jpg)


EDIT: MK108 in Bf109 gets moved in vertical (Y only naturally).
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