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07-10-2008, 09:47 AM
Zeno's Warbird Video Drive-In July 2008 Newsletter

Hello World War 2 plane fans ---

You're invited to drop by Zeno's Drive-In www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com (http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com) to view this month's action packed selection of four WW2 combat aircraft documentary films playing over the Internet.

We're celebrating our 11th anniversary on line (and over 4 million visitors) with the premier of one of the most exciting new films ever to show at the Drive-In, "The 362nd Fighter Group, on the prowl over Germany (I don 't use the word "amazing" lightly.) And, we've also added hundreds of new pix to our "Warbird Photo Gallery."

Just like the day we first opened on July 15, 1997, all the World War II aircraft videos on our site are still showing for free, for your viewing pleasure

Now showing "At the Matinee"
"The 362nd Fighter Group on the prowl over Germany" Premier - Drive-in Exclusive. This video contains some of the most exciting color air action sequences to come out of World War II. Select 362nd Fighter Group P-47 Thunderbolt fighter/bombers were especially equipped with extra color movie cameras to capture thrilling ground and air attacks as they happened. These squadrons were tasked with striking targets inside Nazi Germany as the war against the Third Reich entered it's final act in Spring, 1945. The result is unique "from the cockpit" views putting you in the middle of attacks on tanks, airfields, trucks, rail yards, bridges, trains, fighters, and more. You'll even see antiaircraft fire arcing up from the ground, bursting around the big Thunderbolts as they make their low level strikes. You'll see 362nd CO Col. Joe Laughlin and the pilots and crews of the 377th, 378th and 379th Fighter Squadrons and their aircraft in living color. As an added bonus, there's rare color footage of "Operation Varsity," the airborne assault across the Rhine.
"We flew the Mig" In September, 1953, a North Korean defector handed over the first Russian Mig 15 to fall into US hands. This was a momentous occasion because the Mig had proven to be a worthy adversary for the North American F-86 Sabre in the skies over Korea. The Mig was immediately subjected to comprehensive testing. You'll see Chuck Yeagar and other top test pilots putting the Mig through it's paces and hear what they learned, along with a point by point performance comparison with the F-86. Nice footage of the Mig's armaments too. Attentive Russian fans will no doubt pick up on the fact that some of the "faults" listed by the US test pilots - like problems with the heating & defrosting systems -- were malfunctions in this particular aircraft and not endemic to the Mikoyan bureau's design.
"Landing & Re-spotting Carrier Aircraft" (Color) Major air battles in the Pacific in World War II often turned on the ability of each side to quickly launch, land, rearm & refuel, and then relaunch their aircraft. This unique film is an unusual look (in color) at how US Navy carrier flight deck crews were trained to quickly land, park, fuel & re-arm incoming aircraft. As a bonus, you'll see GM FM-1 "Wildcats" and Grumman TBF "Avengers" up close, handled expertly on the tiny deck of a CVE "jeep" escort carrier. An unscripted, unplanned highlight during the filming was when a TBF came in too hot and crashed on the flight deck! Fortunately, no one was hurt.
"The Story of the First Flying Fortress Strike" On August 17, 1942 eighteen B-17Es from the 97th Heavy Bombardment Group, Eighth Bomber Command (later Eighth Air Force) from Grafton Underwood, performed the first daylight raid over Northern Europe by US heavy bombers. Escorted by RAF Spit Vs & IXs, 6 bombers ran a diversion along the French coast, while 12 more Fortresses attacked the primary target., the important rail yards at Sotteville, France, near Rouen. This mission was a crucial first step in establishing the efficacy of American daylight precision bombing doctrine. Success of the raid was vital so that VIII Bomber Command CO Gen Ira C. Eaker went along for the ride in B-17E "Yankee Doodle.

We've also just added several hundred very detailed new pictures we've taken at this summer's air shows to our "Warbird Photo Gallery." You'll see some great pix of P-51 "'Stang Evil," B-17 "Sentimental Journey," B-25 "Tondelayo," and more.

If you haven't stopped by Zeno's Drive-In before, we also feature 1940-45 vintage WWII Army & Navy films and pilot's manuals on how to fly the F4U, F6F, P-38, P-39, P-40, P-47, P-51, P-61, TBF/TBM, AT-6/SNJ, B-17, B-24, B-25, A-20, A-26, B-26, B-29, and Stearman N2S . Alert! Alert! There's been an F-86 jet sighted over Zeno's Drive-In!

That's over 16 hours of rockin' World War II props for free viewing over the Internet!



Zeno's Warbird Video Drive-In /World War II Aviation Videos. Celebrating 11 years on the Internet 1997-2008 http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com

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Online Videos: Amazing new P-47 Thunderbolt action, Yeager's Mig & more

07-10-2008, 10:45 AM
Zeno rocks! Thanks so much for the vids!

07-10-2008, 01:25 PM
Thanks for the up-date..AND Happy Birthday to Zeno's!

I just finished watching the P47 film (dig that "boogie woogie") and I might just have to order the DVD (my brain is screaming for a higher resolution)...but none the less it is truly impressive stuff.

I like the shot at the end when all the pilots and mechanics are walking by the camera...cool stuff.

P.S. Has it really been 11 years??? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

07-12-2008, 06:49 PM
Zeno - many thanks, as always! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Thunderbolt film was absolutely superb - i can assure, you i will be ordering some of those DVDs soon (hopefully)!

BTW can you (or anyone) tell me who the "Boogie-woogie" music is by? I'm a big fan of swing/jazz of the period, but i only really know Glenn Miller & Benny Goodman so far. Is it Duke Ellington?


07-13-2008, 06:41 PM
I received those tunes on a tape from a friend of mine years ago. He is an audio engineer and his hobby is collecting music from "V -Disks." Those were records produced as part of the "war effort" to give away to service men during World War II, so I thought they would be appropriate for these flicks.

All the tape says on the label is "V Disk Jazz.." if I can locate him I see what I can find out.

07-14-2008, 03:53 AM
HI Zeno, excellent videos, my friend!

Just a note, isnt that 'FW190D-9' that you have labelled in the Tbolt film (just after 'Top Cover' is shown) a Bf109?

Or does my IDing just suck? (probably http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

07-14-2008, 05:24 AM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
HI Zeno, excellent videos, my friend!

Just a note, isnt that 'FW190D-9' that you have labelled in the Tbolt film (just after 'Top Cover' is shown) a Bf109?

Or does my IDing just suck? (probably http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

Looks like a Dora to me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

07-14-2008, 06:03 AM
I tried to recognize it as well, but I can't be sure.
The more I look at the fuselage/tail unit I see D9 the more I look at the nose section/wings the more I see 109.


07-14-2008, 06:08 AM
EDIT: PLease ignore me, its a Dora I think, I paused it and had a good look. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

07-14-2008, 08:06 AM
Well, I have already been back and forth on this issue myself several times. The reason I finally settled on a "Dora" is because the nose and fuselage as they appear in the film are just too elongated to qualify as a 109. If you look at a 109 silhouette from above, the nose section in front of the wing appears stubbier than on a D-9. The air scoop and cockpit are not visible on the film, so that did not help.


Comparing the silhouettes yet again, I now think it's a 109. The wing tips are the give away. They were rounded on the 109s & squarish on the FWs. The tips in the film are round.

I now believe that the elongated image is either the result of lens distortion or atmospherics or both

The DVD masters & ships today, so I just have time to squeak in the change,



07-14-2008, 12:47 PM
Thats EXACTLY what I thought Zeno, and why I thought it was a Bf109.

But then I googled 'Fw190D9 pictures', and saw some VERY rounded wingtips on some Doras.

For instance, I knows its a scale model but still, look here....


BUT I am split probably 51% Dora, 49% Bf109 now....

Its VERY hard to tell. Perhaps a poll? :P http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif For some reason I think its a little too elongated to be a late Bf109, which with their MG131 bulges, would appear a little 'fatter' IMO. I am sorrt of thinking you had it right first time with the Dora.

Its at 7m54s on Zenos Thunderbolt video if anyone is interested in looking/giving an opinion?

Could anyone take a screenshot and post it? I dont have my comp set up to do that easily I'm afraid.

07-14-2008, 12:59 PM
I think its a Bf109 guys.

It looks like the same plane they are all firing at in these clips near the start...


It looks like an unlucky single 109 or possibly a pair caught by around 8 Thunderbolts and the subsequent guncams from each plane. See how they hit one of them and it is streaming glycol through the whole fight. From looking at the clips I see twice a 109 flying with no smoke, then a hit causing smoke, although we cannot be absolutely certain there were only two, it looks that way. The sky on the clip just before the clip we are talking about looks very similar in parts (bright/dazzling) and seems to be from the same engagement IMO.

I conclude they are probably 109's, not from the clip we were examining, but from the other clips which look to be from the same engagement.