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Bearcat99
09-19-2007, 07:04 AM
Is it possible to change the coding in the AI so that when you tell your wingman to cover you that he actually does it or does it more consistently. I have varied the sjkill sets of my wingmen and it often seems like a crapshoot.. sometimes they are spot on.. and other times it seems like Stevie Wonder is flying my wing... or when you say help me he the enemy closest to you... or when you say attack enemy fighters he attacks the one closest to him.. the one he is flying along side of .. the one that is busting a hole in your virtual real end... instead of winging over and going to attack a fighter that is 2 clicks off your 9?

Oleg this sim is the closest thing to perfection out there... and the AI in here is very challenging.. but often they are extremely frustrating too... How is it that the enemy AI will fly straight and level.. until you get to convergence... they they start to roll and pitch etc... I have even reset my convergence... as a test...

Whenever SoW does get here and I have no doubt that it will .... I sure hope all the issues in here are dealt with (As they most likely will be... ) but in the meantime.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

bigbossmalone
09-19-2007, 12:07 PM
Yes, please, Oleg - as good as the AI are IN GENERAL, they still have some downright silly behavior. My favorite is when I have a bandit on my tail - I can see him in my mirrors - I ask my wingman to cover me, and he says, 'You're clear!' I usually laugh at this kind of behavior, but one day that joke is not going to be funny anymore...

fly_zo
09-19-2007, 01:22 PM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
Is it possible to change the coding in the AI so that when you tell your wingman to cover you that he actually does it or does it more consistently. I have varied the sjkill sets of my wingmen and it often seems like a crapshoot.. sometimes they are spot on.. and other times it seems like Stevie Wonder is flying my wing... or when you say help me he the enemy closest to you... or when you say attack enemy fighters he attacks the one closest to him.. the one he is flying along side of .. the one that is busting a hole in your virtual real end... instead of winging over and going to attack a fighter that is 2 clicks off your 9?

Oleg this sim is the closest thing to perfection out there... and the AI in here is very challenging.. but often they are extremely frustrating too... How is it that the enemy AI will fly straight and level.. until you get to convergence... they they start to roll and pitch etc... I have even reset my convergence... as a test...

Whenever SoW does get here and I have no doubt that it will .... I sure hope all the issues in here are dealt with (As they most likely will be... ) but in the meantime.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

...it's funny , in the same time Ai seams to watch each other backs just fine...

Bearcat99
09-19-2007, 02:10 PM
What prompted this post was I was flying an offline mission this morning since I haven't had much time to fly online in the evenings lately with some family stuff... and I like the flyby view... so I saw the guy in my mirror... well I saw his tracers first... so I asked for help... I got a response from 2, 6 & 5 I think... but the guy is still shooting at me in the mirror.. so I do a quick flyby to see what my wing is doing.. and he is flying almiost paralell to the bandit.. so then I do a wingman attack enemy fighters... and he peels off and goes to fight someone that was a speck off my wing!!! You know the outcome... the nect thing I hear was "Number one bail out!!" or whatever that message the AI gives you when your hat is handed to you.... arrrgghhhh.. Yet I have seen the AI do some really cool stuff.... like once I cleared a AI 6... and when that guys wing got on me.. the AI I had just cleared rolled up and cleared me.... it was almost text book.. but then they turn around and go Chia Pet on you...

Waldo.Pepper
09-19-2007, 03:58 PM
when you tell your wingman to cover you that he actually does it or does it more consistently

This would be equally wrong if the AI in Il-2 (or BOB) were made this predictable. They are not/were not and should not be made into automatons that are completely reliable.

However, the situation that you describe with the idiot Ai flying formation as an enemy chops you to bits it FAR more unrealistic.

A happy medium would be nice, where they act more HUMAN. I think that would be nice to see.

EDIT: I just noticed Bearcats qualifier of MORE Consistently. That is what I am supporting as well. (Though I did it poorly http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif )

SeaFireLIV
09-19-2007, 05:24 PM
Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:

This would be equally wrong if the AI in Il-2 (or BOB) were made this predictable. They are not/were not and should not be made into automatons that are completely reliable.

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Agreed. I do not wish them to be perfect automatons, but I see no reason why they can`t be tweaked to be a little more accurate in targeting the enemy that`s on the player.

Although, I don`t really have this problem myself.

stalkervision
09-19-2007, 05:53 PM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
Is it possible to change the coding in the AI so that when you tell your wingman to cover you that he actually does it or does it more consistently. I have varied the sjkill sets of my wingmen and it often seems like a crapshoot.. sometimes they are spot on.. and other times it seems like Stevie Wonder is flying my wing... or when you say help me he the enemy closest to you... or when you say attack enemy fighters he attacks the one closest to him.. the one he is flying along side of .. the one that is busting a hole in your virtual real end... instead of winging over and going to attack a fighter that is 2 clicks off your 9?

Oleg this sim is the closest thing to perfection out there... and the AI in here is very challenging.. but often they are extremely frustrating too... How is it that the enemy AI will fly straight and level.. until you get to convergence... they they start to roll and pitch etc... I have even reset my convergence... as a test...

Whenever SoW does get here and I have no doubt that it will .... I sure hope all the issues in here are dealt with (As they most likely will be... ) but in the meantime.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

I have had pretty good luck lately with my wingmen here. Probably because rarley if ever do I count on them.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

therefore when they do help it is a pleasent surprise.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

psss... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif oleg do a deal with shockwave will you and import over the BOBWOV AI. Bob's Ai are truly wonderful both friendly and enemy. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif