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Kaleun1961
02-12-2007, 01:09 PM
I watched a documentary today about the fall of the Third Reich. In this documentary it mentioned a woman, who was the ony female to have ever been awarded an Iron Cross. Can't remember if this was only in WW2 or ever, but at least she was the only woman to win one during the Third Reich. Anybody care to make a guess? Yes, I'm sure Celeon will know this, but maybe someone else will beat him to the post?

I'm surprised that there was only one IC awarded to a female during WW2. There were a considerable number of females by the end of the Third Reich working in various fields, though not to the extent that the Russians used them. Perhaps this reluctance of the Nazis to employ women denied them of the opportunities to prove their valour? I tell you this, those Russian women were tigresses against the Germans: night fliers, partisans, snipers, artillery crew, etc. Even Russian domestic workers couldn't be trusted. One housemaid planted a bomb under a top ranking Nazi's bed and killed him that way.

ottoramsaig
02-12-2007, 01:52 PM
1st Class:
- Hanna Reitsch (11/42, Pilot)
- Else Grossmann (1/45, Red Cross Nurse)

2nd Class:
- Hanna Reitsch (3/42, Pilot)
- Elfriede Wnuk (9/42, Red Cross Nurse)
- Marga Droste (9/42, Red Cross Nurse)
- Melitta Gräfin Schenk von Stauffenberg (?/42, Pilot)
- Hanny Weber (?/42, Red Cross Nurse)
- Geolinde Münche (?/42, Red Cross Nurse)
- Magda Darchinger (?/42, Red Cross Nurse)
- Ilse Schulz (4/43, Red Cross Nurse)
- Grete Fock (4/43, Red Cross Nurse)
- Liselotte Hensel (?/43, Red Cross Nurse)
- ? Holzmann (8/43, Hauptführerin of Red Cross)
- Elfriede Gunia (4/44, Red Cross Nurse)
- Ilse Daub (4/44, Red Cross Aide)
- Anne Moxnes (4/44, Red Cross Nurse)
- Greta Grafenkamp (2/45, Red Cross Nurse)
- Elisabeth Potuz (2/45, Doctor)
- Ottilie Stephan (2/45, Volunteer)
- Ruth Raabe (2/45, Red Cross Nurse)
- Elfriede Muth (3/45, Red Cross Nurse)
- Ursula Kogel (3/45, Red Cross Nurse)
- Lieselotte Schlotterbeck (3/45, Red Cross Aide)
- Rohna von Ceuern (3/45, Red Cross Aide)
- Anna Wohlschütz (3/45, Red Cross Aide)
- Eva Holm (3/45, Civilian Service)
- Leni Stalinek (3/45, Volunteer)
- Hildegard Wollny (3/45, Staff Aide)
- Alice Bendig (3/45, Armed Forces Aide)
- Hildegard Bollgardt (3/45, Armed Forces Aide)
- Dr. ? Lemke (4/45, Labor Service)
- Margarete Hirsekorn (4/45, Communications)
- Erika Stollberg (5/45, Volunteer)
- Else Grossmann (?, Red Cross Nurse)

Kaleun1961
02-12-2007, 01:56 PM
Bingo! Thanks for the listing; looks like this documentary got it wrong. Proves you can't always believe everything you see on TV. What is your source for that list?

ottoramsaig
02-12-2007, 02:02 PM
I found a WWII history site. You had me curious so I took a look. Simply typed in females that recieved the Iron Cross....good stuff

ottoramsaig
02-12-2007, 02:05 PM
the civilian pilot Hanna Reitsch was awarded the Iron Cross First Class by Adolf Hitler for her bravery as a test pilot and was one of only two women awarded the Iron Cross First Class during World War II.

ottoramsaig
02-12-2007, 02:11 PM
Just a note: many of the IC 2nd Class were mostly awarded to the nursing corps of the Afrika Corps.

Liddabit
01-01-2008, 02:01 PM
Melitta Gräfin Schenk von Stauffenberg

Oooo Would she be related to the Von Stauffenberg that tried to blow Hitler up?

Celeon999
01-01-2008, 02:07 PM
Originally posted by Liddabit:
Melitta Gräfin Schenk von Stauffenberg

Oooo Would she be related to the Von Stauffenberg that tried to blow Hitler up?


Yes, he was one of three brothers-in-law she had.

tuddley3
01-01-2008, 05:56 PM
Oh look, the list has been updated http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

1st Class:
- Hanna Reitsch (11/42, Pilot)
- Else Grossmann (1/45, Red Cross Nurse)

2nd Class:
- Hanna Reitsch (3/42, Pilot)
- Elfriede Wnuk (9/42, Red Cross Nurse)
- Marga Droste (9/42, Red Cross Nurse)
- Melitta Gräfin Schenk von Stauffenberg (?/42, Pilot)
- Hanny Weber (?/42, Red Cross Nurse)
- Geolinde Münche (?/42, Red Cross Nurse)
- Magda Darchinger (?/42, Red Cross Nurse)
- Ilse Schulz (4/43, Red Cross Nurse)
- Grete Fock (4/43, Red Cross Nurse)
- Liselotte Hensel (?/43, Red Cross Nurse)
- ? Holzmann (8/43, Hauptführerin of Red Cross)
- Elfriede Gunia (4/44, Red Cross Nurse)
- Ilse Daub (4/44, Red Cross Aide)
- Anne Moxnes (4/44, Red Cross Nurse)
- Greta Grafenkamp (2/45, Red Cross Nurse)
- Elisabeth Potuz (2/45, Doctor)
- Ottilie Stephan (2/45, Volunteer)
- Ruth Raabe (2/45, Red Cross Nurse)
- Elfriede Muth (3/45, Red Cross Nurse)
- Ursula Kogel (3/45, Red Cross Nurse)
- Lieselotte Schlotterbeck (3/45, Red Cross Aide)
- Rohna von Ceuern (3/45, Red Cross Aide)
- Anna Wohlschütz (3/45, Red Cross Aide)
- Eva Holm (3/45, Civilian Service)
- Leni Stalinek (3/45, Volunteer)
- Hildegard Wollny (3/45, Staff Aide)
- Alice Bendig (3/45, Armed Forces Aide)
- Hildegard Bollgardt (3/45, Armed Forces Aide)
- Dr. ? Lemke (4/45, Labor Service)
- Margarete Hirsekorn (4/45, Communications)
- Erika Stollberg (5/45, Volunteer)
- Else Grossmann (?, Red Cross Nurse)

SH3 Class:
- Liddabit(2/07, Uboot Kommander)
- Weebles(?/06, Uboot Kommander) BR can correct me on the month and year.
- Aly(?/06, Uboot Kommander)
- TheAvonLady(?/?, Uboot Kommander)

Goose_Green
01-01-2008, 06:12 PM
Originally posted by tuddley3:
Oh look, the list has been updated http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

1st Class:
- Hanna Reitsch (11/42, Pilot)
- Else Grossmann (1/45, Red Cross Nurse)

2nd Class:
- Hanna Reitsch (3/42, Pilot)
- Elfriede Wnuk (9/42, Red Cross Nurse)
- Marga Droste (9/42, Red Cross Nurse)
- Melitta Gräfin Schenk von Stauffenberg (?/42, Pilot)
- Hanny Weber (?/42, Red Cross Nurse)
- Geolinde Münche (?/42, Red Cross Nurse)
- Magda Darchinger (?/42, Red Cross Nurse)
- Ilse Schulz (4/43, Red Cross Nurse)
- Grete Fock (4/43, Red Cross Nurse)
- Liselotte Hensel (?/43, Red Cross Nurse)
- ? Holzmann (8/43, Hauptführerin of Red Cross)
- Elfriede Gunia (4/44, Red Cross Nurse)
- Ilse Daub (4/44, Red Cross Aide)
- Anne Moxnes (4/44, Red Cross Nurse)
- Greta Grafenkamp (2/45, Red Cross Nurse)
- Elisabeth Potuz (2/45, Doctor)
- Ottilie Stephan (2/45, Volunteer)
- Ruth Raabe (2/45, Red Cross Nurse)
- Elfriede Muth (3/45, Red Cross Nurse)
- Ursula Kogel (3/45, Red Cross Nurse)
- Lieselotte Schlotterbeck (3/45, Red Cross Aide)
- Rohna von Ceuern (3/45, Red Cross Aide)
- Anna Wohlschütz (3/45, Red Cross Aide)
- Eva Holm (3/45, Civilian Service)
- Leni Stalinek (3/45, Volunteer)
- Hildegard Wollny (3/45, Staff Aide)
- Alice Bendig (3/45, Armed Forces Aide)
- Hildegard Bollgardt (3/45, Armed Forces Aide)
- Dr. ? Lemke (4/45, Labor Service)
- Margarete Hirsekorn (4/45, Communications)
- Erika Stollberg (5/45, Volunteer)
- Else Grossmann (?, Red Cross Nurse)

SH3 Class:
- Liddabit(2/07, Uboot Kommander)
- Weebles(?/06, Uboot Kommander) BR can correct me on the month and year.
- Aly(?/06, Uboot Kommander)
- TheAvonLady(?/?, Uboot Kommander)

Very astute of you Tuddley http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Anyway, an interesting thread http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

VikingGrandad
01-01-2008, 06:23 PM
Any details on what some of these women did to be awarded an Iron Cross?

I found some information regarding Hanna Reitsch on Wikipedia:


...the civilian pilot Hanna Reitsch was awarded the Iron Cross First Class by Adolf Hitler for her bravery as a test pilot... After crashing on her fifth Me 163 flight Reitsch was badly injured but reportedly insisted on writing her post-flight report before falling unconscious and spending five months in hospital. Reitsch became Adolf Hitler's favourite pilot and was one of only two women awarded the Iron Cross First Class during World War II.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/VikingG/Hanna_Reitsch.jpg

tuddley3
01-01-2008, 06:25 PM
Originally posted by Goose_Green:

Very astute of you Tuddley http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Anyway, an interesting thread http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

What can I say, I care about my girls http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Celeon999
01-02-2008, 01:53 AM
Hanna Reitsch is also in the movie "Downfall" (her character not herself of course) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

She and Ritter von Greim managed to fly with a "Fieseler Storch" into besieged Berlin in 1945 to die alongside with Hitler. They were almost shot down by soviet fire and landed on a street just a few blocks away from Hitler's bunker.

On order of Hitler she and Greim had to go again and fly to Dönitz to inform him that he shall arrest Himmler.

Greim later commited suicide but Reitsch survived the war.

I didnt knew that she was invited to the white House and met John F. Kennedy in 1961 (at least wikipedia says that without reference). http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

I wonder why someone like she should get such an invitation ? A convinced ex-Nazi and personal fan of Hitler.... thats rather unusual.


She also flew the first controllable helicopter in 1936



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/Fw_61_V2_HUL.JPG/800px-Fw_61_V2_HUL.JPG

Liddabit
01-02-2008, 02:00 AM
I like this new list http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

U301
01-03-2008, 04:26 AM
Women never fail to amaze me how strong they can be at times.
I must say the gals in the above list are something special.
Good Luck and Good Hunting to all their decendants!
KUrtz.

klcarroll
01-03-2008, 06:49 AM
I still think Liddabit's name should have been on that list somewhere! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

klcarroll

The_Silent_O
01-03-2008, 10:24 AM
Originally posted by Liddabit:
Melitta Gräfin Schenk von Stauffenberg

Oooo Would she be related to the Von Stauffenberg that tried to blow Hitler up?

Her story is very interesting...I read about her before (as well as all the Von Stauffenbergs).

She was a test pilot and an early aerospace engineer. Think of a 'smarter' Hanna Reitch" She was also of Jewish ancestry on her father's side.

She barely escaped persecution for the failed plot and was saved because of her continueing contributions to German Aircraft Development.

She also died in aerial combat, being shot down by an American Fighter plane late in the War.

More at wikipedia

http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/images/schiller_1_350.jpg

Goose_Green
01-04-2008, 05:14 PM
WOW...the Germans had women flying combat sorties?

The_Silent_O
01-05-2008, 05:59 AM
Originally posted by Goose_Green:
WOW...the Germans had women flying combat sorties?

She was not on a combat mission per se, she was delivering a test aircraft to another location in Barvaria when she was caught by an American fighter plane.

Her husband (one of the Stauffenberg brothers) survived until the 60s as a famous historian.

Kaleun1961
01-06-2008, 09:39 PM
Originally posted by The_Silent_O:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Goose_Green:
WOW...the Germans had women flying combat sorties?

She was not on a combat mission per se, she was delivering a test aircraft to another location in Barvaria when she was caught by an American fighter plane.

Her husband (one of the Stauffenberg brothers) survived until the 60s as a famous historian. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Once the P-51 made its appearance, there was really nowhere safe in Germany. I recall reading a book about German pilot trainees, kids, really. Their instructor had some of them up in the air and was coaching them from his own plane. American fighters showed up; he flew at them in his unarmed plane to attract their attention and was killed, but the fledglings survived, thanks to his selfless action.

Liddabit
01-07-2008, 03:39 AM
amazing stories I learn here :O

The_Silent_O
01-07-2008, 11:21 AM
While we are on the topic...This is a good website for women US Service members:
http://userpages.aug.com/captbarb/medals.html

But I am most impressed by these women:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_women_in_the_Great_Patriotic_War

Especially Litvyak, who died so young

mmoench
02-09-2008, 06:33 AM
There was woman who received an iron cross even before WW1: Friederike Krüger (1789-1848). She served in the Prussian Army during the liberation war (1813-1815) against Napoleon. She was 23 when she joined the army disguised as a man. After her true identity was discovered she wasn't removed from the army and she even was promoted to Unteroffizier (Sergeant).
After the war she was given the Iron Cross (don't know which class) by King Friedrich Wilhelm III for her bravery.