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Taylortony
12-20-2007, 11:03 AM
See http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3idQKi5EqM

Cajun76
12-20-2007, 11:47 AM
The caption reads:


This is a Turbine Enstrom Helicopter on the Heli Pad of a Greenpeace ship some where off the coast of Ireland. One of the deck straps has not been released correctly, with what was very nearly disastrous consequence. Pilot skill and quick thinking saved the day.

Deck straps not released correctly!? No, this is what happens when you give nutjobs aircraft.

It looks to me like a toss of the stern and a gust of wind launches the chopper. The tail rotor guard fails as the pilot avoids the superstructure and the torque spins the chopper around until the pilot reduces pitch and drops the craft back on the deck.

It definitely could have been much uglier. Glad to see no one was hurt.

SeaFireLIV
12-20-2007, 11:48 AM
I was hoping it wasn`t going to be what I thought it was, but it was! I was half wincing at what was going to happen. Man that was very, very close. You only get that lucky once in your life.

Rjel
12-20-2007, 11:55 AM
Originally posted by Cajun76:
Deck straps not released correctly!? No, this is what happens when you give nutjobs aircraft.


Nutjobs or people with convictions other than your own?

Redwulf 32 - Nis
12-20-2007, 12:01 PM
Originally posted by Rjel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cajun76:
Deck straps not released correctly!? No, this is what happens when you give nutjobs aircraft.


Nutjobs or people with convictions other than your own? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nutjobs

DuxCorvan
12-20-2007, 12:04 PM
This is when you know someone upstairs is looking out for you Big Time

Or someone downstairs... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

SeaFireLIV
12-20-2007, 12:26 PM
Oh why all the politicking? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif The guy just escaped a serious decapitation on film!

Besides if these guys are maybe such nutjobs, maybe they`re working in the right direction as `Him` upstairs seems to be going to great pains to prevent almost surefire deaths...

JtD
12-20-2007, 12:30 PM
Originally posted by Rjel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cajun76:
Deck straps not released correctly!? No, this is what happens when you give nutjobs aircraft.


Nutjobs or people with convictions other than your own? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Barbarians. But America has a strong leader who stands up against them. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Lucky day for all of them, good reaction by the pilot. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Choctaw111
12-20-2007, 01:14 PM
With the tail rotor going out, that was pretty lucky.

Cajun76
12-20-2007, 01:20 PM
Issues? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

I respect their convictions, and I'm glad no one was hurt in this incident. I just think there's better ways to get your point across than torching Hummers.

Friendly_flyer
12-20-2007, 01:22 PM
The guy at the back got away lucky tvice!

Waldo.Pepper
12-20-2007, 01:24 PM
I just think there's better ways to get your point across than torching Hummers.

I for one would like to hear some of your better ideas? And anything you have personally done to help.

jarink
12-20-2007, 01:35 PM
Gee, and here I though Cajun meant "nutjobs" as anyone crazy/daring/stupid enough to try and fly in that high of a sea state.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

I'm sure their insurance rates went up after that one.

Cajun76
12-20-2007, 01:37 PM
I would get rid of Greenpeace's gas guzzling helicopters for human powered ornithopters and make sure the ships they use are using bio-diesel.

If they don't make these important changes I suppose I could set them on fire to help the environment. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Viper2005_
12-20-2007, 02:13 PM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
Oh why all the politicking? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif The guy just escaped a serious decapitation on film!


As opposed to that other, not so serious kind of decapitation about which we all regularly joke?

Waldo.Pepper
12-20-2007, 02:31 PM
I for one think it is clear from this clip that these people are risking their lives for what they believe in. Greenpeace and others are, in effect acting as the military for the environment, without the collateral damage.

As for bio diesel, I think that this is the wrong way to go. Putting corn (or other commercial crops) into the gas tanks of us complacent spoiled Westerners, before we do all we can to put it in the stomachs of the worlds hungry is evil, morally indefensible, and possibly the worst 'solution' for the worlds energy needs.

Glad no one was hurt.

Cajun76
12-20-2007, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:
I for one think it is clear from this clip that these people are risking their lives for what they believe in. Greenpeace and others are, in effect acting as the military for the environment, without the collateral damage.

<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">As for bio diesel, I think that this is the wrong way to go. Putting corn (or other commercial crops) into the gas tanks of us complacent spoiled Westerners, before we do all we can to put it in the stomachs of the worlds hungry is evil, morally indefensible, and possibly the worst 'solution' for the worlds energy needs.</span>

Glad no one was hurt.

Agreed 100% I've often thought that the way to go is hydrogen, preferably compressed. Clean burning, and we can use a lot of existing infrastructure, suitably modified, of course. Most vehicles can use it as well with small modifications.

Using renewable sources like wind and solar to split water would reduce dependence on coal and other pollutants. There's some recent exciting work on low power ways to split water using radio wavelengths (iirc) that could be very promising. I'm crossing my fingers.

Waldo.Pepper
12-20-2007, 02:54 PM
Right on! +1 for Hydrogen! I just hope we don't drain the worlds Oceans of its hydrogen content next! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Airmail109
12-20-2007, 02:55 PM
Originally posted by Cajun76:
Issues? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

I respect their convictions, and I'm glad no one was hurt in this incident. I just think there's better ways to get your point across than torching Hummers.

Firstly torching Hummers is insanely fun

Secondly Hydrogen sucks balls for aviation use, you need fuel tanks that are as large as the aircraft itself. It's fine for fuel cells however.

Thirdly We need less people on the planet so I dont see the problem with BioDiesel or If you want to go faster BioEthanol.

Fouthly Nuclear is the way to go, plus off shore wind farms (in AREAS that DONT effect migratory patterns) and family homes with Solar Panels are the forward.

Fithly a large decrease in the use of conventional plastics. Standard industry pollutes heavily. Nanotech materials might help with this.

Urufu_Shinjiro
12-20-2007, 03:06 PM
As for bio diesel, I think that this is the wrong way to go. Putting corn (or other commercial crops) into the gas tanks of us complacent spoiled Westerners, before we do all we can to put it in the stomachs of the worlds hungry is evil, morally indefensible, and possibly the worst 'solution' for the worlds energy needs

When most people say bio diesel they mean used vegetable oil of various sorts. Corn makes ethenol, which is different. Used frying oil has no practical uses for feeding anyone.

EmKen
12-20-2007, 03:29 PM
There is nowhers near enough used oil to replace internal combustion engine fuel -unless you put 20 gallons of oil into your chip pan every week! :-)
Bio fuels means converting arable land from human needs (e.g. corn) into bio fuel needs (e.g. rape seed, which makes a very useful fuel oil).
Western society has to wean itself off vehicle dependency -in fact, it first has to wean itself off of vehicle profligacy. There is no need for a Hummer outside a military situation.
Then, we need to sort out the need for excessive military situations.

EmKen

Airmail109
12-20-2007, 03:48 PM
Originally posted by EmKen:
There is nowhers near enough used oil to replace internal combustion engine fuel -unless you put 20 gallons of oil into your chip pan every week! :-)
Bio fuels means converting arable land from human needs (e.g. corn) into bio fuel needs (e.g. rape seed, which makes a very useful fuel oil).
Western society has to wean itself off vehicle dependency -in fact, it first has to wean itself off of vehicle profligacy. There is no need for a Hummer outside a military situation.
Then, we need to sort out the need for excessive military situations.

EmKen

Fuel cells will see to it that Humans keep their vehicles.

Cajun76
12-20-2007, 03:48 PM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cajun76:
Issues? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

I respect their convictions, and I'm glad no one was hurt in this incident. I just think there's better ways to get your point across than torching Hummers.

Firstly torching Hummers is insanely fun

<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Secondly Hydrogen sucks balls for aviation use, you need fuel tanks that are as large as the aircraft itself. It's fine for fuel cells however.</span>

Thirdly We need less people on the planet so I dont see the problem with BioDiesel or If you want to go faster BioEthanol.

Fouthly Nuclear is the way to go, plus off shore wind farms (in AREAS that DONT effect migratory patterns) and family homes with Solar Panels are the forward.

Fithly a large decrease in the use of conventional plastics. Standard industry pollutes heavily. Nanotech materials might help with this. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



For liquid hydrogen, yes. That's why I'm advocating compressed. And it may not work for a/c anyway, even then. It may take something else.

Even for cars, range is greatly reduced using liquid H. H gets a bum rap because of the Hindenburg. Education, and idiot proof ways of transfer, like locking nozzles for transfer of compressed H from dispenser to vehicle. Perhaps bring back full service stations, or robotic filling arms.

Nuclear fusion is an option in my lifetime. We need to work on cleaner processes for nuclear waste disposal though for our conventional fission plants. I do advocate nuclear power, but we still have problems to solve.

I wish I knew how to approach some of theses companies with ideas without them ripping me off. I've had them percolating for many years, and it could well be that someone already thought of it. And then again....

Airmail109
12-20-2007, 03:50 PM
Originally posted by Cajun76:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aimail101:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cajun76:
Issues? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

I respect their convictions, and I'm glad no one was hurt in this incident. I just think there's better ways to get your point across than torching Hummers.

Firstly torching Hummers is insanely fun

<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Secondly Hydrogen sucks balls for aviation use, you need fuel tanks that are as large as the aircraft itself. It's fine for fuel cells however.</span>

Thirdly We need less people on the planet so I dont see the problem with BioDiesel or If you want to go faster BioEthanol.

Fouthly Nuclear is the way to go, plus off shore wind farms (in AREAS that DONT effect migratory patterns) and family homes with Solar Panels are the forward.

Fithly a large decrease in the use of conventional plastics. Standard industry pollutes heavily. Nanotech materials might help with this. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



For liquid hydrogen, yes. That's why I'm advocating compressed. And it may not work for a/c anyway, even then. It may take something else.

Even for cars, range is greatly reduced using liquid H. H gets a bum rap because of the Hindenburg. Education, and idiot proof ways of transfer, like locking nozzles for transfer of compressed H from dispenser to vehicle. Perhaps bring back full service stations, or robotic filling arms.

Nuclear fusion is an option in my lifetime. We need to work on cleaner processes for nuclear waste disposal though for our conventional fission plants. I do advocate nuclear power, but we still have problems to solve.

I wish I knew how to approach some of theses companies with ideas without them ripping me off. I've had them percolating for many years, and it could well be that someone already thought of it. And then again.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hydrogen fuel cells are fine, their range is good and getting better by the year. You dont have to burn hydrogen.

As for aircraft I can see the resurgance of the air taxi as opposed to airliners, light aircraft can feasibly be fuel cell powered. Boeing are working on this.

Tbag_13
12-20-2007, 05:40 PM
For liquid hydrogen, yes. That's why I'm advocating compressed.

????
Check the following link, page six:
http://www1.eere.energy.gov/hydrogenandfuelcells/pdfs/storage.pdf

Airbus did a study about use of liquid hydrogen as a fuel and it is possible but I guess there will be better solutions once we come to the point that we have to change the fuel for ac. For aviation my guess is biofuel.

But what has this to do with an helicopter accident? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

KG66_Gog
12-20-2007, 05:51 PM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
Oh why all the politicking? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif The guy just escaped a serious decapitation on film!


as opposed to a not so serious decapitation.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

DIRTY-MAC
12-20-2007, 07:25 PM
This dude was also pretty lucky...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2PvcG4Vmyw

mortoma
12-20-2007, 07:28 PM
Same kind of thing happens to me when I try to land or takeoff from Frigates in X-plane!!! I was never good at helo flying. Strange thing about X-plane is that many real helo pilots claim it's harder to fly X-plane helos than the real thing. So I don't feel so bad about being lousy at it.

Badsight-
12-21-2007, 12:07 AM
what is it about people ranting that is just SO boring ?

& Taylortony , welcome to 2005

Lucius_Esox
12-21-2007, 01:28 AM
Jeez that close.

Was half expecting when the pilot got out to see him kick one of the deckhands in the head... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

People love arguing it's what most do best.

Sergio_101
12-21-2007, 01:31 AM
Bummer, that could have ridded us of up to four "nut jobs"! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

As to the pilot, he's a hack at best.
No one signaled him to take off.

As to someone up stairs looking after me or those "nut jobs"....
I'm a devout Atheist.

Sergio

joeap
12-21-2007, 03:46 AM
Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:
I for one think it is clear from this clip that these people are risking their lives for what they believe in. Greenpeace and others are, in effect acting as the military for the environment, without the collateral damage.

As for bio diesel, I think that this is the wrong way to go. Putting corn (or other commercial crops) into the gas tanks of us complacent spoiled Westerners, before we do all we can to put it in the stomachs of the worlds hungry is evil, morally indefensible, and possibly the worst 'solution' for the worlds energy needs.

Glad no one was hurt.

Me too, anyway. Oh and does biofuel have to be made form corn or other edible plants?? What's wrong with using corn husks or stuff that is just not edible?

We need to have a PT about this I think.