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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 02:32 PM
There are more than four BOB era British bombers, I wonder which first and second do you prefer to have them in BOB campaige? Why? Also Will you accept Fairy Battle? Why not?

Regards
SnowLeopard

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 02:32 PM
There are more than four BOB era British bombers, I wonder which first and second do you prefer to have them in BOB campaige? Why? Also Will you accept Fairy Battle? Why not?

Regards
SnowLeopard

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 02:40 PM
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and................

- Also Will you accept
- Fairy Battle? Why not?

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 02:41 PM
I like Ju-88. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

But flyable Blenheim would be great too! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 02:42 PM
The Fairy Battle would have to be included. I liked them in "Luftwaffe Commander". They flew in slow circles and were p1ss easy to bring down!

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I'd never join a club that would have ME as a member!!.

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 02:55 PM
Wellington all the way.

As for the Battle, it was being withdrawn from service during the Battle of Britain. as for ELEM, the luftwaffe found them easy to down also, I can genuinly tell you that a tear almost forms in my eye when I see pictures of young lads from Battle Squadrons, you can see they know they're going to be dead soon, and in most cases, they were right. there is no hope in thier faces its a horrowing sight.

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 03:01 PM
My previous comments here were completely misunderstood by those they were aimed at, so in an attempt to restore some lightness to the forum I have removed them. No offence was meant to any aircrew.

Message Edited on 10/08/0311:55AM by ELEM

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 03:08 PM
Wellington definitely.

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 03:14 PM
ELEM wrote:
- D'uh! Du ya fink i dunno dat?
-

ELEM, you unsensitive f*****g t***. Has it ever occured to you that people in this forum may have had relatives intimately involved in this or that they may have deep passion about what happened?

idiot.

Not impressed.
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Message Edited on 10/06/0302:15PM by ICAG_Bader

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 03:18 PM
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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 03:25 PM
Do~17

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 03:26 PM
Well Said Bader. ELEM, if your older than 10, start acting your age, show some tact, and a bit of compassion.

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 03:54 PM
ICAG_Bader wrote:
- ELEM wrote:
-- D'uh! Du ya fink i dunno dat?
--
-
- ELEM, you unsensitive f*****g t***. Has it ever
- occured to you that people in this forum may have
- had relatives intimately involved in this or that
- they may have deep passion about what happened?
-
- idiot.
-
- Not impressed.
- Matt.

What is it with you? Yes, I have relatives who were intimatlely involved with that conflict, and some that did not live through it. I am in no way being unsensitive to their memory and have said nothing in my posts to indicate that. You and your sidekick Farkitt seem to difficulty understanding what is written. Perhaps it's that red mist in your eyes that is blinding you. Just cool down and take your medication.

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 03:57 PM
I love the design of the Wellington so incredibly tough.
I'll have a Wellington please.

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 04:08 PM
Yeah, gotta love the Wimpy, it looks pretty sexy too. Always loved it. Carrys just as much Bombs as a B-17 with Half the Engines. AND IN THE DARK!!! /i/smilies/16x16_robot-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 11:08 PM
I read a article about Fairy Battle on missions during Battle of France, One famous RAF pilot (name at this moment unknown) once remarked about the aircraft: "It was no fairy, and it was certainly no Battle!"

Regards
SnowLeopard

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 11:10 PM
LEXX_Luthor wrote:
- Do~17
-
Yes, I would like to have it flyable in BOB ummm..but my post said British bomber unless you mean BOB campiage bombers. Okay, Lexx, which British bomber would you like to see it in BOB?



Regards
SnowLeopard

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 11:27 PM
i know its not a bomber but a boulton paul defiant night fighter would be good

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 11:33 PM
Armstrong Whitley - They look really strange in flight with their nose down attitude.

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 11:53 PM
How about Bristol Beaufighter Mk. I or Fairy Battle? I am try to figure which small single engine bomber compard to Stuka for campaige missions. Maybe Blackburn Skua or Fairy Swordfish.

For light/medium bomber, I guess that will be Blenheim Beaufort(already in FB as AI) and Handley Page Hampden. I wonder which British bombers have plenty of rescoures of interior drawing to be flyable.

Regards
SnowLeopard

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 12:04 AM
I don't care if the dates are wrong, I want a Lancaster!!!



"Official Lancaster Whiner"

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 07:20 AM
Brakovitch wrote:
- Armstrong Whitley - They look really strange in
- flight with their nose down attitude.
-
Because of way of arrangment of wing span. I wonder what engineer/aircraft designer doing that way. Maybe the slide ruler was mix up. LOL



Regards
SnowLeopard

Message Edited on 10/07/0308:34AM by WereSnowleopard

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 11:51 AM
these poor guys in their " battle".
butchered from the luftwaffe.
but still brave pilots.

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 12:19 PM
WereSnowleopard wrote:
- There are more than four BOB era British bombers, I
- wonder which first and second do you prefer to have
- them in BOB campaige? Why? Also Will you accept
- Fairy Battle? Why not?
-
- Regards
- SnowLeopard


Vickers Wellington. Premiere, and most common British level bomber at that time. Heavies were practically non-existant on either side in significant numbers until mid 1942.

Fairy Battle... why not ? But people will hate it. Its designed to be a victim.

I wonder if upcoming BoB includes the 1940 Low countries campaign, the French campaign, Dunkerque etc.

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 01:19 PM
my grandpa flew in Battles hes 95 next week now he was "one of the few" but not from of the BoB but of the Batlle of France of which not many came home.
he held the battle in high regard as a tough aircraft,after all any enescorted bomber is a sitting duck to fighters just look at stukas etc,hes told me many stories of his sorties one springs to mind about a pilot larking about decided to fly under power cables the battle came home with not much rudder but a length of powercable hanging off the back ,thast pretty tough imho

dont forget the battle was desgined in 1933 and then was state of the art but hoplessly outclassed in 1939,but if you read anything about that period the pilots had belief in their machines only the tactics and use of the bombers let all those heros down


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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 02:11 PM
Depending on the cut-off date for the BoB game, the Short Sterling could be included.

No. 7 Squadron had 3 Sterlings in early Sept. '40. But, it was not till Feb. '41 that they went 'to war'. Did you know that the Short factory in Belfast was bombed by the LW?

A history
http://www.jtennet.freeserve.co.uk/Stirling.htm

some trivia:

The Sterling was the only RAF bomber to be designed from the outset to have 4 engines. The Halifax and Lancaster originally having only 2 engines.

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 02:36 PM
From memory, there should be available:

Whitley, Wellington, Battle, Blenheim, Beaufort,
Hampden, Short Stirling Mk. I (various turret options),
Sunderland.

Any more?

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 04:14 PM
I would definitly say the Halifax, as it was the most widely used Bomber for England in BoB, and throughout the war...then i'd have to say the beautiful Lancaster...though it came out after towards the drive for Berlin.

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 04:28 PM
ptefuller wrote:
- I would definitly say the Halifax, as it was the
- most widely used Bomber for England in BoB, and
- throughout the war...then i'd have to say the
- beautiful Lancaster...though it came out after
- towards the drive for Berlin.
-

The first production Halifax did not fly until Oct. 11 1940. No. 35 Squadron, the first Halifax squadron, did not fly its first combat mission until March 10 1941(target: Le Harve). That is a wee bit late to be 'widely used' in BoB./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Lancaster production > 7374
Halifax production > 6176



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Message Edited on 10/07/0311:31AM by MiloMorai

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 04:48 PM
http://www.military.cz/british/air/war/bomber/manchester/manch_war.jpg


Manchester, definately. Too bad only about 200 were built and it had such poor engines. The more realistic ones would be Blenheims and Wellingtons.

Jeroen

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 05:52 PM
Manchester.
according to british warplanes of ww2
built 202

lost in combat 40 %
lost in accidents 25 %


in this book there is 1 and a half side for the manchester and 9 sides for the lancaster /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif .

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 06:03 PM
Boandlgramer wrote:
- Manchester.
- according to british warplanes of ww2
- built 202
That's what I meant...

- lost in combat 40 %
That's about 81 planes...

- lost in accidents 25 %
There go another 51...

- in this book there is 1 and a half side for the
- manchester and 9 sides for the lancaster
Compared to the impact both had on the war, the Manchester is still done to much honour with that /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

But does it do really that bad in combat losses compared to other Britsh bombers of the day? (Blenheims, Wellingtons, Hampdens?) I still like it for all it's uglyness, just look at that odd fin!

Jeroen

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 06:09 PM
And what evolved from the Manchester but the Lancaster./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif The Germans should have taken notice and redesigned the He177 earlier./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 06:14 PM
yupp milo, that was more than stupid from the LW leaders.

MiloMorai wrote:
The Germans should have taken
notice and redesigned the He177 earlier.


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Bavaria is one of the oldest European states.
It dates back to about 500 A.D., when the Roman Empire was overcome by the onslaught of Germanic tribes. According to a widespread theory, the Bavarian tribe had descended from the Romans who remained in the country, the original Celtic population and the Germanic invaders.

Bavarian History : http://www.bayern.de/Bayern/Information/geschichteE.html#kap0

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 06:26 PM
My grandpa was a navigator in the RAF during the war. He started off in Sterlings then for the majority of his 50 combat missions flew in Halifax's then finished the war in Lancasters. He said the Halifax was a great aircraft that was unfortunately overshadowed by the Lancaster.

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 06:28 PM
oh yea ! (furtunatly they dont /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif )


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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 06:41 PM
frankyboy,
but you know also , if you do something too late, then the life is punish you. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


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Bavaria is one of the oldest European states.
It dates back to about 500 A.D., when the Roman Empire was overcome by the onslaught of Germanic tribes. According to a widespread theory, the Bavarian tribe had descended from the Romans who remained in the country, the original Celtic population and the Germanic invaders.

Bavarian History : http://www.bayern.de/Bayern/Information/geschichteE.html#kap0

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 08:36 PM
I expect many people want 4 engine heavy bombers like that for earlier campaige and during BOB. I am sort of worry is how difficult to model them and find all interior stulff like gun stations that will take forever so let's try said pick one that can be do exterior and interior model of British bomber to be flyable and ready to add to BOB test phase.

Should Bristol Blenheim and Fairy Battle as bomber role, Bristol Beaufighter Mk. I (enter in late of BOB) as "Jabo" role and Blackburn Skua as navy dive bomber like "Stuka" role. Little-known Skua made some markstone historic battle flights. See link http://freespace.virgin.net/john.dell/blackburn_skua.htm
http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/Aircraft/Skua.htm

Bristol Blenheim may wonderful to be flyable asap because it service with RAF, FAA, Finland, Turkey, Yugoslavia, Romania, RCAF, French Free air force, South African air force, Greece, Luftwaffe, Italy.

Regards
SnowLeopard

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 08:44 PM
'these poor guys in their " battle".
butchered from the luftwaffe.
but still brave pilots. '

Bit like the poor Luftwaffe when the P51 was let loose eh?

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 08:51 PM
EasyEight wrote:
- 'these poor guys in their " battle".
- butchered from the luftwaffe.
- but still brave pilots. '
-
- Bit like the poor Luftwaffe when the P51 was let
- loose eh?


there are always poor guys,in every airforce.
or do you believe , the duty of the B17 / lancaster crews was a milky way ?
they lost enough planes to call the WW2 airwar terrible .





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Bavaria is one of the oldest European states.
It dates back to about 500 A.D., when the Roman Empire was overcome by the onslaught of Germanic tribes. According to a widespread theory, the Bavarian tribe had descended from the Romans who remained in the country, the original Celtic population and the Germanic invaders.

Bavarian History : http://www.bayern.de/Bayern/Information/geschichteE.html#kap0

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 08:57 PM
just to add another few to the list of possibles for bomber comand 1940. HP Hampden. Hawker Hart. Bolton Paul Overstrand. HP Harrow. HP Hayford. Vickers Wellesley. Bristol Bombay.I think all these were still in service in 1940. Also in the middle East the Oxford was pressed into service as a bomber. The battle was the first combat aircraft to be fitted with the Merlin.

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 11:32 PM
ericson wrote:
- just to add another few to the list of possibles
- for bomber comand 1940. HP Hampden. Hawker Hart.

Were any Harts still flying in combat roles by
1940? There was a the Hawker something-or-other
that was the army coop version of the Hart that
was in France in 1940.


- Bolton Paul Overstrand. HP Harrow. HP Hayford.
- Vickers Wellesley.

Wellesley! That was the one I was trying to remember
the name of! That was more colonial stuff wasn't it?

Surely the Overstrand, Harrow, Heyford (beautiful
plane) were all relegated to colonial duties by 1940,
or training, not front line surely? (Maybe the Overstrand
might have just clipped 1940 in frontline service?)

- were still in service in 1940. Also in the middle
- East the Oxford was pressed into service as a
- bomber.

Middle East counts as 'colonial' doesn't it?

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 10:14 AM
I did some research on the Overstrand (nothing in
the books I have, not even "Britain's Wonderful Airforce"
in which the most modern bomber is the Manchester) and
it seems it was withdrawn from everything but training
before WW2, and the last two were withdrawn from
gunnery training in 1941. So we aren't likely to
see it as a bomber in 1C's BoB! It's a shame as it
was the first RAF bomber with an enclosed turret AFAIK.

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 11:01 AM
Avro Anson, Westland Lysander, Fairey Albacore and Short Sunderland.

fluke39
10-08-2003, 11:44 AM
WereSnowleopard wrote:
-
- For light/medium bomber, I guess that will be
- Blenheim Beaufort(already in FB as AI) and Handley
- Page Hampden. I wonder which British bombers have
- plenty of rescoures of interior drawing to be
- flyable.

hehe sorry to be picky but obviously you mean bristol blenheim /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
beaufort was different plane (altough i think it did share a few parts) a large amount of beaufort parts went towards making beaufighter (hence the name)

personally i would have a mk.1 beaufighter if it was available - failing that i think a beaufort or wimpey might be nice (gotta love wallis's geodetic construction /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

i reckon most if not all brit planes should have cockpit details - definitely the more widely used ones anyway - although some may be difficult to find - i reckon they'll be there for those with patience and persistance.


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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 12:18 PM
Well that's exhausted the list of British aircraft available but the Lockheed Hudson.

I think it's sort of honourary British in a way as we used it before the Americans.

I know it's not a combat aircraft let alone a bomber but I've liked the Miles Master trainer, can you imagine, you're out there putting advanced student through his paces when your bounced by a lone 109 thats slipped under the radar!!

Can you down him with one 303mg?

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 12:27 PM
Oooooh yes, the Westland Lysander - covert SOE ops across the channel by night if that sort of thing floats your boat.

Nice to see one in the game, I think there's still one flying so not too hard to get detail.

SSS

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 01:30 PM
If we get Navy types too - then what about the Swordfish?

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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 01:38 PM
The Lancaster or the B17 flying Fortress.

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 01:41 PM
I always prefered the Blackburn Shark to the Swordfish.

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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 05:33 PM
Ho Hum...She is always forgotten, has anyone here heard of the Whirly Bomber?

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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 05:41 PM
Lancaster...for sure

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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 07:06 PM
Why do people keep calling it the 'Sterling'? Sterling is currency. Stirling was a mediocre bomber made by Short.

I want to see the Stirling, or the Sunderland. The Sunderland was an amazing aircraft.

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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 07:14 PM
The Sunderland was a mediocre a/c. From 1 aerial combat it got the nick "Flying Porupine".

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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 07:23 PM
Sorry - the Sunderland is an amazing SHIP - it could fly, for one thing, and the bombs were winched out onto the racks under the wing in flight. It carried a wooden boat, and 4 .303 rifles. I think Short just put wings onto a storeroom.

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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 07:33 PM
I'd be in the Sunderland's kitchen brewin a cuppa for sure /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 10:30 PM
I know it's not a bomber but I'm looking forward to using the gun turret of a Defiant.

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 02:48 AM
Wellington...

Also, I know it's not a bomber, but love to see a Lysander done to fly. So many cool stories about that plane...landing behind lines, rescuing pilots, dropping off spies, etc. Ugly plane but beautiful at the same time.

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XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 11:36 AM
Yes there is a Lysander about somewhere. Saw it featured in a magazine. The Lysanders in France, 1940 had four? small bombs attached to small wings on the landing gear, so it was a bomber in its early operational life. Remember making a plastic model of it as a kid.

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 12:06 PM
MiloMorai wrote:
- The Sunderland was a mediocre a/c.

In what way was it mediocre? 3000 mile range,
5000lbs of ordnance for the Mk V. Doesn't seem
too bad - it was faster, had a longer range,
and carried more stores than the PBY (but admittedly
only just, and was a much bigger plane).

- From 1 aerial
- combat it got the nick "Flying Porupine".

The six Ju-88 attack got it its nickname,
but the Mk III and V still had up to 12
.303 and 2 .50 guns, which is fairly respectable.

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 12:41 PM
Now did it compare it to the Liberator III?/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Aaron, let me quote from the Introduction in the suggested reading:

"The Sunderland is widely (and inaccurately) remembered as having provided the mainstay of RAF CC during WW2, and as an a/c of almost legendary prowess in the war against the U-boat. This campaign is itself remembered as being one of great excitement, frequent acts of insane bravery and fierce action in which the Sunderland played a pivotal part. A body of mytholigy has grown up around the Sunderland, over-stating the effectiveness of its defensive armament, over-estimating its ability to land on and take-off from open water and over-emphasising its numerical and proportional importance within CC's OOB.

In fact the Sunderland was a vitally important CC asset throughout the war, but it was never as important numerically as CC's land-based long range patrol a/c, and was never as efficient a submarine killer as many of its rivals, including the other principal flyingboat, the US Consolidated Catalina."

This is backed up in the following chapters.




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"Only a dead 'chamber pot' is a good 'chamber pot'!"

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 02:56 PM
Wellington for me. My grandfather built them. He also served as an aircraft mechanic and later as observer in the RFC in Ireland (training unit?) and France in WW1.

XyZspineZyX
10-09-2003, 03:18 PM
BOB era bombers? I don't really like any of them, they seem to slow, vulnerable and not able to carry a decent load, they, in my eyes, were all of the pre-war generation bombers.
But if I have to choose I'll take the Wellington....

rgds

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 02:02 AM
I strong agree with you as I had heard about it often. one thing I noticed other people forget what Sunderland can not do, but you seem already knew. you said "land based bomber" as matter of fact that Sunderland can't landing on landing strip but on large body of water.

I wonder if BOB2005 will have float equipment planes or not?



MiloMorai wrote:
- Now did it compare it to the Liberator III?/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif -
- Aaron, let me quote from the Introduction in the
- suggested reading:
-
- "The Sunderland is widely (and inaccurately)
- remembered as having provided the mainstay of RAF CC
- during WW2, and as an a/c of almost legendary
- prowess in the war against the U-boat. This campaign
- is itself remembered as being one of great
- excitement, frequent acts of insane bravery and
- fierce action in which the Sunderland played a
- pivotal part. A body of mytholigy has grown up
- around the Sunderland, over-stating the
- effectiveness of its defensive armament,
- over-estimating its ability to land on and take-off
- from open water and over-emphasising its numerical
- and proportional importance within CC's OOB.
-
- In fact the Sunderland was a vitally important CC
- asset throughout the war, but it was never as
- important numerically as CC's land-based long range
- patrol a/c, and was never as efficient a submarine
- killer as many of its rivals, including the other
- principal flyingboat, the US Consolidated Catalina."
-
- This is backed up in the following chapters.
-
-
-
-
-
<img
- src="http://www.thundercycle.com/photos/dropdead2.
- gif"> -
-
-
- "Only a dead 'chamber pot' is a good 'chamber pot'!"



Regards
SnowLeopard