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gthgrrl4game
02-28-2006, 09:59 AM
Has anyone else noticed how much the Flight and Damage Models for this plane have improved in this patch?
OMIGOD it is like a whole new fighter.
Offline flown by AI it tears me up flying a F6F!!!
If I fly against the 'cat in one, it is like JAAF pilots said, a fairly easy kill!

JG53Frankyboy
02-28-2006, 11:14 AM
it has still 250rpg in its fuselage 20mm canons http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
i have to test http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

keep in mind that the Ki61 has 250rpg in its 12,7mm fuselage guns or a Ki84-Ib has 150rpg in its fuselage 20mm canons http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

JG53Frankyboy
02-28-2006, 11:31 AM
it still has 250 rounds http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

that is making this bird even more superiour to the F6F than it actually was ................

in my personall opinion the F6F was a little bit outdated in performance over Japan 1945 facing Ki84, Ki100 and N1K2-J - sure the japanese pilots should have some experience and the plane/engine should work properly http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Doug_Thompson
02-28-2006, 02:17 PM
The control, wobble and rudder changes of the last patch in particular have greatly improved this plane. It's still slow compared to the spawn of Pratt and Whitney, but the big Americans had better not turn.

It's like a Raiden that doesn't overheat now.

gthgrrl4game
02-28-2006, 03:06 PM
Ahhhhh, but that is one thing I noticed, in a relatively shallow climb it can barely out pace the 'cat!
In level flight or diving the 'cat has the edge.
Regardless of the high cannon ammo load what I love about this bird is the sweet flight characteristics and the concentrated fire of the nose mounted cannon. In up close and personal situations they rock!!!

gthgrrl4game
02-28-2006, 03:22 PM
JG and Doug, the coolest thing about the type 5; is that its engine, the Kinsei, did not suffer the same issues with reliablity as the Homare used in the Shiden and Hayate. It was one the most reliable engines the JAAF had.
Turn and Burn Goodness!!!!

VW-IceFire
02-28-2006, 03:38 PM
Mmm I haven't really tried it that much in this patch yet...I have amassed tons of hours in it in testing my campaign in 4.02 and 4.01 and even then it was pretty solid as an aircraft. Its not one that alot of people fly but I think its got a great reputation as being an excellent fighter...its just a little slow compared to some types.

I always thought it was a little under modeled. It was supposedly an excellent aircraft that was the equal or better than the Hellcat and very nearly better than the Mustang in everything except speed.

The Ki-100 was one of those ironic planes of WWII being a sort of "stop gap" measure that ended up being an excellent fighter (like the Spitfire IX, the FW190D, etc.)

Badsight.
02-28-2006, 09:23 PM
Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
it still has 250 rounds http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
wow . . .. thats . . . . kinda cool! lol

J_Anonymous
02-28-2006, 09:51 PM
I am such a happy Japanese customer with J2M3 Raiden that I completely forgot about Ki-100. I have not even tested it after 4.03. Thank you for the tip, I should try it again.

I sorta written off Ki-100 after flying it a lot in on-line dogfight servers with 4.01. An annoying issue in 4.01 was, among other things, the engine emitted black smoke with just *one* hit and began to quit. Has that changed?

I am now spoiled by the dive/climb/roll/attack/damage capabilities of J2M3 Raiden, and may not be easily swayed by Ki-100. I wish Raiden had 250 ammo load if not 400!

JG53Frankyboy
03-01-2006, 05:30 AM
well, i realy think these 250 rounds in each canon are to much - 500rounds of 20mm in such a small fuselage ?!?!?!
to repeat: Ki61 has 250rpg of 12,7mm and Ki84Ib 150rpg 20mm................ so something between 120-150rounds should be more realistic (unfortunatly i have no sources about this in a Ki100 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif )

its a tactical bonus to have such much ammo http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

and hey, the Raiden with 210/190 rpg is realy not so bad http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

J_Anonymous
03-01-2006, 05:53 AM
Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
and hey, the Raiden with 210/190 rpg is realy not so bad http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
I know.... I love it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

gthgrrl4game
03-01-2006, 06:57 AM
Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
well, i realy think these 250 rounds in each canon are to much - 500rounds of 20mm in such a small fuselage ?!?!?!
to repeat: Ki61 has 250rpg of 12,7mm and Ki84Ib 150rpg 20mm................ so something between 120-150rounds should be more realistic (unfortunatly i have no sources about this in a Ki100 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif )

its a tactical bonus to have such much ammo http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

and hey, the Raiden with 210/190 rpg is realy not so bad http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


Agreed to all of the above, too bad Oleg doesn't cite his sources on this loadout, it would help.
The Raiden is indeed a sweet ride, not to mention lethal to be in front of! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

R_Target
03-01-2006, 07:29 AM
I haven't tried Ki-100 since 4.02. Having too much fun with Raiden right now.

gthgrrl4game
03-01-2006, 08:47 AM
The Raiden is cool. I like flying it too, but for some reason the 100 just appeals to me more tho http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Wish we had the second version with the all around vision canopy, but I am glad to fly ANY version of this plane!

Doug_Thompson
03-01-2006, 08:56 AM
Originally posted by R_Target:
I haven't tried Ki-100 since 4.02. Having too much fun with Raiden right now.

You'll have more fun when your engine doesn't overheat. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

ElAurens
03-01-2006, 10:55 AM
With proper management the Raiden will not over heat, but if you insist on tearing around at over 90% throttle all the time then you will.

If only the Ki100 had the Ki84's engine...

*sigh*

gthgrrl4game
03-01-2006, 02:25 PM
One thought, not necessarily an argument, to the Cannon Ammunition Load out on the Ki-100 versus the Ki-61, the Kinsei is a far shorter and lighter engine than the Atsuta, in theory there could be more room for the ammo.
Again, we lack definitive resources on this so the subject is moot.
More ammo is nice, but good marksmanship or just being so close you *cannot* miss is better http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Doug_Thompson
03-01-2006, 02:36 PM
Re: Ammo

Somebody should note that this conversion left a lot of free space where a big inline engine used to be.

Weight's a factor, though.

Doug_Thompson
03-01-2006, 02:38 PM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
With proper management the Raiden will not over heat, but if you insist on tearing around at over 90% throttle all the time then you will.


I embrace my noobness. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

gthgrrl4game
03-01-2006, 02:52 PM
Originally posted by Doug_Thompson:
Re: Ammo

Somebody should note that this conversion left a lot of free space where a big inline engine used to be.

Weight's a factor, though.

Thats what I had just said in the post preceeding yours, LOL

Doug_Thompson
03-01-2006, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by gthgrrl4game:
Thats what I had just said in the post preceeding yours, LOL

Great minds aren't the only ones that think alike. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Seriously, the post times are one minute apart. Looks like we passed each other on the ether.

VW-IceFire
03-01-2006, 02:55 PM
Originally posted by Doug_Thompson:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by R_Target:
I haven't tried Ki-100 since 4.02. Having too much fun with Raiden right now.

You'll have more fun when your engine doesn't overheat. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
The Ki-100 is one of those fighters that you must manage the overheat well. I tend to run rads open till combat and close them while in combat. The cooler your engine is to start off the better. Only engage WEP when you need to.

BlitzPig_DDT
03-01-2006, 02:57 PM
Originally posted by gthgrrl4game:
Ahhhhh, but that is one thing I noticed, in a relatively shallow climb it can barely out pace the 'cat!
In level flight or diving the 'cat has the edge.
Regardless of the high cannon ammo load what I love about this bird is the sweet flight characteristics and the concentrated fire of the nose mounted cannon. In up close and personal situations they rock!!!

Well sure, using a D9 '45 would really seem good vs an La5F. Or conversely, an La7 vs a 190A5.

Let's go '45 for '45, shall we? A '45 'cat of any kind would kick all kinds of *** on all fronts, and all airforces. The Devs are afraid it them. And the user community is too.

Be Sure.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Doug_Thompson
03-01-2006, 03:05 PM
Only engage WEP when you need to.

True, and that reminds me: I can't recall ever having to worry about fuel management while playing this game, something that real pilots have to worry about all the time.


Let's go '45 for '45, shall we?

Fair enough, but it's a good thing for the allies that the Japanese didn't put a big radial engine on the Ki-61 in 1943. Imagine a Ki-100 against P-40s and Wildcats.

VW-IceFire
03-01-2006, 04:31 PM
Virtual pilots need to worry about fuel as well if they fly missions that last long enough http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ElAurens
03-01-2006, 04:40 PM
Or if they take a few hits to the petrol tanks...

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

gthgrrl4game
03-01-2006, 07:39 PM
Originally posted by BlitzPig_DDT:

Well sure, using a D9 '45 would really seem good vs an La5F. Or conversely, an La7 vs a 190A5.

Let's go '45 for '45, shall we? A '45 'cat of any kind would kick all kinds of *** on all fronts, and all airforces. The Devs are afraid it them. And the user community is too.

Be Sure.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

I for one do not fear them.
To be sure I would love to see the later versions of the 'cat.
Its my fav USN fighter!!!
I thought I'd heard buzz about Grumman's like the Bearcat, something about legal issues.
If so, that is sad.

gthgrrl4game
03-01-2006, 07:43 PM
Oh and taking on the infamous '45 Cannon Armed F4U1C in a Type 5 is a challenge but quite doable.
Eventually the AI tries to make it a turn fest.
Boom.
An Online pilot would not doubt be far more formidable.

Doug_Thompson
03-02-2006, 07:58 AM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
Or if they take a few hits to the petrol tanks...

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

That's a point: I have worried about fuel €" that's on fire. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

dglasal
03-02-2006, 08:24 PM
Well guys, according to one of my sources;

Japanese Army Fighters Part 1
WW2 Aircraft Fact Files
William Green and Gordon Swanborough
Copywrite 1977

Ki-100

"Armament: Two 20-mm Ho-5 cannon with 250 rpg in forward fu****e and two 12.7-mm Ho-103 machine guns with 250 rpg in wings outboard of propeller disc. Provision for two 551-lb (250-kg) bombs on underwing racks"

I will go through some of my other references to see if any other have the same stats.