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Pirschjaeger
11-10-2005, 07:18 AM
Bearcat said

"Actually you can talk about whatever you want to talk about.... you just cant do it publicly.. so if say you created a private topic... and invited a group of people to participate in it......... It could get interesting.. though it wouldnt have the same attaraction as a thread that was open to all... it could at least stay civil if the right people were in it."

Let's talk about it.

Fritz

Pirschjaeger
11-10-2005, 07:25 AM
I think it's a good idea. We often get good conversations going until someone comes in and starts mouthing off or flaming simply because another opinion differs from theirs. I hate this sort of display of insecurity.

The problem;

how will we know when there's an interesting topic happening behind closed doors?

The solution;

A sticky thread where as we simply advertise the topic and the member who''s hosting the topic. You then simply pm the host and the host invites the interested member. If the member gets out of hand I believe it is simple for the host to boot that member.

Am I on the right track BC?

Fritz

Bearcat99
11-10-2005, 07:38 AM
Yes.... just set up the PT then post an open invite in a thread on the forum. Then the host can invite whomever he wants.... and we mods dont have to ban and smite anyone. If people who wanted to participate just posted a "Yes I want in" in the open public thread... anyone considering participating could see who was in the thread and decide for themselves whether or not they wanted to participate in it based on who was in there. Or the host could jus6 get a list of people right off the bat and invite them.. but still ake a public invite. Either way it could get interesting... ideas could be exchanged.... folks could be taught..... and no rules would be broken.

I was actually thinking about doing that because I am really curious about what is going on in France from a Frenchman's point of view.... I mean really..... and in a PT you can really speak your mind.. and because the participants would be a select group.. even if someone was offended they could handle it like an adult, not a child.

Too bad I have to go out and earn a living.... LOL. Between flying and this I could occupy a whole day..... LOL

Pirschjaeger
11-10-2005, 07:52 AM
Amazing, that's the topic I wanted to discuss but knew I could do it in GD. France would be a great topic and many Europeans from the surrounding countries would also offer an interesting insight.

But still, I think it would be useful to have a sticky thread as an advertisement. Simply post a topic title and those involved in the conversations. The host would be responsible for editing the list as people leave or join.

Can we get a sticky BC?

Fritz

neural_dream
11-10-2005, 08:00 AM
I'm afraid I won't agree with that. It's only a few who create trouble. The problem is those who want to participate in the discussion but cannot refrain from replying to the troublemakers, this way magnifying the issue.

I mean seriously, we won't have an open discussion about france just because of that? I think that the solution suggested by Bearcat will eventually shrink the forum and decrease the members.

Retrofish
11-10-2005, 08:06 AM
Originally posted by neural_dream:
I'm afraid I won't agree with that. It's only a few who create trouble. The problem is those who want to participate in the discussion but cannot refrain from replying to the troublemakers, this way magnifying the issue.

I mean seriously, we won't have an open discussion about france just because of that? I think that the solution suggested by Bearcat will eventually shrink the forum and decrease the members.

That's what I was thinking when I read this topic. I wouldn't be able to formulate it quite that clearly though. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Pirschjaeger
11-10-2005, 08:09 AM
I understand your point N-Dream but there's something we cannot forget.

This forum doesn't belong to us. It belongs to Ubi and they clearly state the rules before you even get your first post in. They have all the right in the world to ban us for our previous discussions, no matter how interesting and informative they are.

Trust me, this forum is much better than others I've seen. I tried searching for a forum where as we can post anything we want but I found nothing but degenerative and hate posts.

N-Dream, you and I usually like to talk about the same issues and I've always looked forward to your posts. With BC's idea we can easily carry on the same sort of conversations and when someone flames we could easily vote among ourselves whether or not to boot them, then carry on the conversation.

The fact remains, the rules stipulate our conversations are not welcome here. We even agreed before we posted our first post. Imagine we'd have a thread that couldn't be locked. As a group we could boot those who deserve to be booted. We could freely discuss anything.

Fritz

Pirschjaeger
11-10-2005, 08:11 AM
BTW, discussing France here would only bring out the racists and prejudices about immigrants. Someone would get deeply offended in a short time. Most of us don't want that.

Fritz

neural_dream
11-10-2005, 08:22 AM
Then let's try a little experiment my friend. A thread about the current situation in France. You go ahead and start it and we'll see http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. If we won't be able to have a meaningful discussion and the thread soon degrades, then I'll take your point http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

The fact that some will express their antipathy towards the foreigners in their country is absolutely expectable and contributes to the discussion. Those who will only come to call them rednecks and racists and contribute nothing to the discussion is what should be avoided. Let's see.

Pirschjaeger
11-10-2005, 08:54 AM
Originally posted by neural_dream:
Then let's try a little experiment my friend. A thread about the current situation in France. You go ahead and start it and we'll see http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

Ok, I'll do it since I've never used my complimentary "get out of ban free card". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

I already have an excuse anyway; N-Dream made me do it". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Fritz

neural_dream
11-10-2005, 08:55 AM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by neural_dream:
Then let's try a little experiment my friend. A thread about the current situation in France. You go ahead and start it and we'll see http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

Ok, I'll do it since I've never used my complimentary "get out of ban free card". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

I already have an excuse anyway; N-Dream made me do it". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Fritz </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Pirschjaeger
11-10-2005, 08:55 PM
Ok N-Dream, the devil has returned to claim your sole. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Not a misspelling, I need new shoes. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Bearcat, the see-er and knower of all, had the best suggestion. It's too bad that thread was locked because it was enlightening, but the rules are clear.

N-Dream, wanna discuss the French connection in PT? We'll simply invite those who already posted in the thread.

Fritz

Tully__
11-10-2005, 09:11 PM
I see a problem... unless something's changed recently I don't think there's any way to add someone to a PT already in progress.

Pirschjaeger
11-10-2005, 09:17 PM
That's not good news. If that's the case than the whole "PT idea" wouldn't work.

Fritz

Bearcat99
11-10-2005, 10:13 PM
Originally posted by Tully__:
I see a problem... unless something's changed recently I don't think there's any way to add someone to a PT already in progress.

You are correct Tully... what was I thinking of then? I could have sworn i had done this on a forum before... and since this is the place where I spend 90% of my forum time....

Didnt we have a chat feature here at one time?

Tully__
11-10-2005, 10:28 PM
There's always MSN/YahooIM/AIM/ICQ/IRC....

There used to be a link to a java IRC applet on the main website page, but attempting to use it results in an "Access denied" message (last time I checked anyway).

Pirschjaeger
11-10-2005, 10:57 PM
Originally posted by Tully__:
There's always MSN/YahooIM/AIM/ICQ/IRC....


Not practical. It wouldn't work, I've tried it.

What are the main reasons we don't have an OT forum? Cost? Administration? Legal liabilities? 75% of the mods would become obsolete? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

With exception to the last, these are serious questions.

Fritz

Tully__
11-10-2005, 11:14 PM
Several of the games on these forums had one. They almost universally turned into the sort of unmanageable bait & flame fests that many unmoderated internet forums are, attracting in some cases trouble makers that weren't even customers of Ubi or were from another game group "slumming" outside the view of their own moderators. Administration finally got fed up with them and declared "no more, not ever" and that was the end of the Pilot's Lounge and a few others (and the birth of CWOS as a nearly direct result).

Pirschjaeger
11-11-2005, 01:37 AM
I looked high and low for a forum whereas posters could post freely. All I ever found was the lowest of the low. The were radically racist and prejudice and just simply degrading. I found other forums where if you ventured off-topic even in the slightest you were deleted and threatened with a ban.

This forum is the best I have ever found. I know it's easy to suggest we have OT and when someone causes trouble the mods quickly delete his/her post and threaten a ban. In theory it's fine, but in practice it's not. The mods cannot be in every thread 24/7 with their finger on the trigger. It's impossible.

Solution; one new patch and 3 new flyables per week. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Fritz

neural_dream
11-11-2005, 05:03 AM
That thread was already finished and slowly and graciously falling towards the second page, when it was locked, so everyone is happy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. We learned a lot and had those first-hand accounts we wanted, no trouble makers, and the mods did their duty right after the discussion had run its course. By the nature of the topic, if that was a PT, we wouldn't have learned a thing. Anyway, no reason to repeat that, we shouldn't make the mods anxiously looking in such discussions every little while.

WarWolfe_1
11-11-2005, 01:04 PM
Solution; one new patch and 3 new flyables per week. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Now that I can Dig! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif