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03-30-2007, 03:01 PM
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03-30-2007, 03:04 PM
That's not schragemusik, that's just a very low muzzle velocity weapon set for 300m. Boitch to hit with, but a boitch to be hit with. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif

03-30-2007, 03:04 PM
is that one of those crazy armed ww1 planes.
you know they fit all kinds of big guns on to those fragile biplanes

03-30-2007, 03:05 PM
lol ploughmna. we posted at exaktly same minute :-)
you wrote and posted it while i wrote

03-30-2007, 03:06 PM
Remarks by Nico Braas: "Designed as an interceptor, armed with a big 1.46 in (37 mm) Covertry Ordenance Works (COW) cannon, Type 161 was flown for the first time on January 21, 1931. The fighter was of a vey advanced design with its pusher propeller, twin boom tails and light-alloy construction. The big COW gun protuded from the nose section in a 45? upward position. On the picture we see Type 161 still without its gun installed and without any markings. With the COW gun installed, it later fley with RAF s/n J9566. Although the flying qualities of this fighter were good, the COW gun was not further adopted for operational use, and only a single prototype of Type 161 was built."


03-30-2007, 04:17 PM
It looks nice, I like the prop placement. I thought the Germans invented that.
But what is it called??

03-30-2007, 04:29 PM
Prop placement is reminiscent of the SPAD A-2 which saw service in pre-revolution Russia.

And that gun is no low velocity weapon with a barrel so long. It is made to hit bombers
flying much higher than the interceptor. During WWI there was a problem where bombers did
carry oxygen and flew a few 1000 feet higher than a light pursuit plane could go, over 20k

03-30-2007, 06:05 PM
Archie, the oddities that you post never cease to amaze me.


03-30-2007, 06:16 PM
Originally posted by jarink:
Archie, the oddities that you post never cease to amaze me.


We aim to please... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

03-30-2007, 06:22 PM


Vickers model 161 was built to specification F.29/27. It was an obvious dead end. The prototype flew little and reportedly fired only 24 shells

Upward-firing guns were tried on a number of British aircraft. This was called the no-allowance method of gunsighting, because the idea was that the attacker would fly in close formation with the target, slightly below it, so that no allowance had to be made for relative speed. Specification F.29/27 called for a single-engined, single-seat fighter armed with a 1Żlb COW gun, angled upwards. Development of this weapon, by the Coventry Ordance Works, had continued since before WWI. At 97kg, it was relatively light for a weapon of this size. It fired 37x190 ammunition at a rate of 1.5 per second, fed from five-round clips, and had already been used on a handful of aircraft during WWI. Unfortunately, the two F.29/27 fighters were both disappointing. The Vickers F.29/27 was a pusher biplane, an obsolescent design with a bewildering array of struts and bracing wires. The Westland F.29/27 was a low-wing monoplane and looked much better, but had completely unacceptable handling characteristics.
More promising were experiments with the standard .303 Vickers and Lewis guns. In 1927 the Boulton-Paul Bittern made its first flight, a nightfighter built to specification F.27/24. The second prototype of the Bittern had vertically swivelling Lewis guns machineguns on the side of its nose, so that they could be set at an angle between 0 and 45 degrees. A ring-and-bead gunsight was to be mounted on a frame, which could be set at the same angle. But the underpowered Bittern never entered service.
A simpler approach was represented by two Bristol Bulldog biplane fighters, that were modified in 1934 with Lewis or Vickers guns mounted at the side of the cockpit, at an angle of 60 degrees up. During tests, the installation demonstrated great accuracy: Flying 100ft below their targets, the fighters scored 90% hits. However, the armament of two rifle-calibre machineguns was too weak.
One interesting aircraft, flown just before the beginning of WWII, must also be mentioned. The prototype of the Gloster F.9/37 twin-engined monoplane fighter was armed with five 20mm Hispano cannon, angled up 12 degrees. This angle was determined by practical considerations: Three of the guns were behind the cockpit, in the space originally allocated for a gun turret. They had to be angled up to clear the cockpit. It is not clear what attack mode was envisaged for this aircraft.