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Atomic_Marten
12-31-2004, 11:55 AM
Since in description says "Carrier-borne fighter" I figure it must be. But it isn't in game. I'm aware that Zeke 1940 is from FB+AEP, and that may be the reason why it isn't present on the a/c.

Maybe it will be added in some of the future updates. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Atomic_Marten
12-31-2004, 11:55 AM
Since in description says "Carrier-borne fighter" I figure it must be. But it isn't in game. I'm aware that Zeke 1940 is from FB+AEP, and that may be the reason why it isn't present on the a/c.

Maybe it will be added in some of the future updates. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

mortoma
01-01-2005, 08:16 AM
Bump........I always wondered about this too.

|CoB|_Spectre
01-01-2005, 09:25 AM
One of the best references on the Zeke is the book "Zero" by Masatake Okumiya, who served as air operations officer aboard carriers and land bases throughout the war, and Jiro Horikoshi, chief designer of the Type 0 Reisin for Mitsubishi. In chapter 5, Okumiya presents a copy of a secret document he received just prior to the attack on Pearl Harbor entitled Japanese Navy Wartime Organization Table which shows, among other things, how many of each type of aircraft were assigned to their carriers. It lists 18 Type 0 Fighters each for the carriers Kaga, Soryu, Hiryu, Ryujo, Zuikaku and Shokaku. Obviously these aircraft would have required arresting hooks. Granted, this was late 1941, but the Zero first saw action against the Chinese August 19, 1940 when the Chinese withdrew beyond the distance the Type 96 Claude carrier-based fighter (operating off land bases at the time) could escort long range bombers. These were Japanese Navy squadrons and had been used because of their experience in flying great distances. Tailhooks usually are standard fare with carrier-based aircraft and, though the book has not specifically mentioned it thusfar in my reading (just got it for Christmas), I think it is safe to assume the Zero had them incorporated into the original design. Carrier aircraft are usually designed from the ground up with the rigors of arrested landings in mind. A quick scan of the book did not reveal the authors' description by "A6M2" or variations thereof. I'm not quite sure when or where those designations originated. I'm sure there are numerous people who frequent these forums that can shed light on it and have much more extensive libraries than I.

x__CRASH__x
01-01-2005, 09:43 AM
Someone posted a link to an online reference in here once. I should have kept it. Anyway, it went through each class and variant, telling you the differences and the reasons for them.

After reading it I wondered why all the Zeros, with the exception of the 7's, didn't have hooks. Right now the A6m2, A6m3, and A6m5c do not have hooks, and that reference said they should.

* shrugs *

Texas LongHorn
01-01-2005, 10:23 AM
Crash, your ref books may not have been wrong. The Hook may or may not have been installed, depending on the individual craft. I've been quite the amatuer historian for years and the records for production of the Zero are pretty clear in total numbers. But HERE'S the rub: the field mods commonly changed the entire designation of the AC. For instance, an early war Pearl Fighter M2, had it survived a year or two at sea, might have been redisignated as a later model. See where I'm going. The IJN tried to keep a pretty good record, but the going was tough, many of these records sank at sea and were not transmitted by radio until later when fleet ships could chime in. Contrast that with the Luftwaffe which kept records of all AC Wurke # to the final days of the AC not only on the lines but also in pre-production. The great thing about the Pacific fight is that almost ANY Zero combo and config probably flew <ggg. All the best, LongHorn

Atomic_Marten
01-01-2005, 11:46 AM
Guys thanks for replies.http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Feathered_IV
01-01-2005, 05:33 PM
I always assumed that our A6M2 1940 model actually had a hook but because AEP had no carriers it wasn't modelled (you can see it on the void skin though).

I just dug out my trusty Aero Detail No.7. Page 71 has the following: "A6M2 was officially adopted by the service as 'Type O mark 1 Carrier fighter' but as the assignment was limited to only 12th and 14th Naval Air Groups which were then operating in deep inland of China, A6M2 was treated as a 'Point Defence Fighter'...in the official type categorisation and not installed with carrier operation equipment of arresting hook nor radio homing device. The official type name and designation were eventually changed to A6M2a Type O Mark 1 Carrier Fighter Model 1 in late 1940 when Type O Mark 1 Carrier Fighter Model 2 with folding wing tips was introduced."

Hope that helps!


All the best,

RAC_Pips
01-01-2005, 09:02 PM
feathered is on the right track.

All A6M models, from the Model 11 to the Model 52c, came equipped with a tail hook as standard from the factory - whether that be Mitsubishi or Nakajima.

However once the aircraft was sent to it's parent unit things changed. Remember the IJN operated both land-base 'Kokutai' and carrier-based 'Koku-sentai'. The land-based Kokutai removed the tail hooks as a matter of course. They would not be used and the weight saving (always on pilots minds) was considered worth the effort. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif