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Cyrus.H
02-08-2010, 12:21 AM
Does anyone else think it's weird that in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMV13ADmwOY, Archer and Kestrel are carrying obscure Russian compact submachine guns? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Logically, if they're using FN Five-seveN semi-automatic pistols as side arms, then should they not be using the SC3000 assault rifles as their primary weapons? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Aveelo
02-08-2010, 12:23 AM
Originally posted by Cyrus.H:
Does anyone else think it's weird that in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMV13ADmwOY, Archer and Kestrel are carrying obscure Russian compact submachine guns? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Logically, if they're using FN Five-seveN semi-automatic pistols as side arms, then should they not be using the SC3000 assault rifles? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif


The URL contained a malformed video ID.

Cyrus.H
02-08-2010, 12:28 AM
Originally posted by Aveelo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cyrus.H:
Does anyone else think it's weird that in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMV13ADmwOY, Archer and Kestrel are carrying obscure Russian compact submachine guns? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Logically, if they're using FN Five-seveN semi-automatic pistols as side arms, then should they not be using the SC3000 assault rifles? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif


The URL contained a malformed video ID. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I edited my post.

mattduck69
02-08-2010, 12:47 AM
at 3:43 the aimer thingy goes red... why?

LennyLilac
02-08-2010, 01:05 AM
Originally posted by mattduck69:
at 3:43 the aimer thingy goes red... why?

you can shoot fire extinguishers.

H.A.R.M.s
02-08-2010, 01:51 AM
SC3000 is too quiet to be SC:C stealthy. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Cyrus.H
02-08-2010, 03:49 AM
Originally posted by H.A.R.M.s:
SC3000 is too quiet to be SC:C stealthy. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
Hahaha. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

SA Snake
02-08-2010, 04:06 AM
Originally posted by Cyrus.H:
Does anyone else think it's weird that in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMV13ADmwOY, Archer and Kestrel are carrying obscure Russian compact submachine guns? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Logically, if they're using FN Five-seveN semi-automatic pistols as side arms, then should they not be using the SC3000 assault rifles as their primary weapons? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

because you can choose what weapons you use in coop, so your Archer or Kestrel could have one if you really wanted, Ill be taking an MP5 and a silenced USP I hope.

AGENTxxxxx47
02-08-2010, 08:12 AM
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1927/myweapon11e.jpg (http://img11.imageshack.us/i/myweapon11e.jpg/)

italics560
02-08-2010, 08:21 AM
Hahahahaha

OnlyKidsSayPwn
02-08-2010, 10:31 AM
Originally posted by AGENTxxxxx47:
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1927/myweapon11e.jpg (http://img11.imageshack.us/i/myweapon11e.jpg/)

Wouldn't be surprised if this was in the game

Alaskagamer
02-08-2010, 10:47 AM
Originally posted by Cyrus.H:
Does anyone else think it's weird that in this video Archer and Kestrel are carrying obscure Russian compact submachine guns?

Logically, if they're using FN Five-seveN semi-automatic pistols as side arms, then should they not be using the SC3000 assault rifles as their primary weapons?

I don't think that they are carrying
FN Five-seveN in these pics
http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/105/1056124/tom-clancys-splinter-cell-conviction-20091217105256665_640w.jpg
http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/102/1028007/tom-clancys-splinter-cell-conviction-20090924002643306_640w.jpg

see sam is carrying the FN Five-seveN and the guy that he is fighting is carrying what look like a M9, but archer is something that look like the old splinter cell pistol. but you can choose your load out at the beginning of
the mission. so it matters not http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

OnlyKidsSayPwn
02-08-2010, 10:59 AM
Originally posted by Alaskagamer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cyrus.H:
Does anyone else think it's weird that in this video Archer and Kestrel are carrying obscure Russian compact submachine guns?

Logically, if they're using FN Five-seveN semi-automatic pistols as side arms, then should they not be using the SC3000 assault rifles as their primary weapons?

I don't think that they are carrying
FN Five-seveN in these pics
http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/105/1056124/tom-clancys-splinter-cell-conviction-20091217105256665_640w.jpg
http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/102/1028007/tom-clancys-splinter-cell-conviction-20090924002643306_640w.jpg

see sam is carrying the FN Five-seveN and the guy that he is fighting is carrying what look like a M9, but archer is something that look like the old splinter cell pistol. but you can choose your load out at the beginning of
the mission. so it matters not http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The pic with sam in looks like he's about to shoot that the guy in the crotch is one of those krav maga moves o_0

OnlyKidsSayPwn
02-08-2010, 11:00 AM
Originally posted by OnlyKidsSayPwn:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alaskagamer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cyrus.H:
Does anyone else think it's weird that in this video Archer and Kestrel are carrying obscure Russian compact submachine guns?

Logically, if they're using FN Five-seveN semi-automatic pistols as side arms, then should they not be using the SC3000 assault rifles as their primary weapons?

I don't think that they are carrying
FN Five-seveN in these pics
http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/105/1056124/tom-clancys-splinter-cell-conviction-20091217105256665_640w.jpg
http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/102/1028007/tom-clancys-splinter-cell-conviction-20090924002643306_640w.jpg

see sam is carrying the FN Five-seveN and the guy that he is fighting is carrying what look like a M9, but archer is something that look like the old splinter cell pistol. but you can choose your load out at the beginning of
the mission. so it matters not http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The pic with sam in looks like he's about to shoot that the guy in the crotch is it one of those krav maga moves o_0 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Alaskagamer
02-08-2010, 11:18 AM
I don't know but they did a bunch of mo-cap
kinda mixing krav maga with close up gun combat so thats were you get sam shoot the guy first in the side, crotch, or hip. then in the head, neck, or chest to finish him off.

J Saint777
02-08-2010, 11:33 AM
You unlock the SC3000 later in the game. I'm guessing it's the last gun you unlock. However, the Code of Conviction code I just received via email says it unlocks the Alkali suit and the SC3000 as soon as you punch it in. You also get it immediately with the EU Collectors Edition.

Just because they aren't using it in the Coop demo doesn't mean we won't be using it whenever we get to play this game.

Alaskagamer
02-08-2010, 11:54 AM
what about the SCAR-H? it says on Uplay, that all you have to do is Purchase all 3 upgrades for any 1 weapon, and you will get the gun, it sounds like a good gun it's one of my best guns on GRAW2. so what do you think?

Stealthgamer001
02-08-2010, 12:59 PM
Originally posted by AGENTxxxxx47:
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1927/myweapon11e.jpg (http://img11.imageshack.us/i/myweapon11e.jpg/)

What's this? A supressed-gatling-sniper-assult-sub-mini-gun? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

AGENTxxxxx47
02-08-2010, 01:18 PM
lol..it's the illusive 5th code reward

only 2 people recieved the email

SplinterCell472
02-08-2010, 02:19 PM
Yeah, this isn't like the old Splinter Cells. In Conviction, we get to choose from a large variety of firearms http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Cyrus.H
02-08-2010, 04:20 PM
Thanks for the confirmation that we can use multiple guns in co-op, I never realised that the points system for buying guns and costumes applied for co-op as well and not just Spy vs. Spy.


Originally posted by Alaskagamer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cyrus.H:
Does anyone else think it's weird that in this video Archer and Kestrel are carrying obscure Russian compact submachine guns?

Logically, if they're using FN Five-seveN semi-automatic pistols as side arms, then should they not be using the SC3000 assault rifles as their primary weapons?

I don't think that they are carrying
FN Five-seveN in these pics
http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/105/1056124/tom-clancys-splinter-cell-conviction-20091217105256665_640w.jpg
http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/102/1028007/tom-clancys-splinter-cell-conviction-20090924002643306_640w.jpg

see sam is carrying the FN Five-seveN and the guy that he is fighting is carrying what look like a M9, but archer is something that look like the old splinter cell pistol. but you can choose your load out at the beginning of
the mission. so it matters not http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
This brings up another question.

How was Sam Fisher, an ex-Navy SEAL and Splinter Cell on the run from the U.S. government, able to get his hands on a brand new R&D Five-seveN while Archer and Kestrel are still using last generation FN pistols that require an attachable suppressor? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

SplinterCell472
02-08-2010, 04:31 PM
@Cyrus. H Np.

sammyboy1981
02-08-2010, 05:22 PM
Originally posted by sammyboy1981:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alaskagamer:
I don't think that they are carrying
FN Five-seveN in these pics

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/102/1028007/tom-clancys-splinter-cell-conviction-20090924002643306_640w.jpg




"Say goodbye to your <STRIKE>Nazi</STRIKE> Commie Ba lls!"

I would presume this is just a case of PEC in action, though one would assume that Archer starts the campaign mode with the proper load out (and Kestral with the VORON equivalent). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Alaskagamer
02-08-2010, 06:20 PM
quote: Thanks for the confirmation that we can use multiple guns in co-op, I never realised that the points system for buying guns and costumes applied for co-op as well and not just Spy vs. Spy.


yeah choosing your load out at the beginning of the mission, is another good thing in conviction, and
another reason why I'm gonna buy it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Scythian PJ
02-08-2010, 11:15 PM
Have you ever thought about this:
Sam gets his new guns from Victor Coste
Kestrel doesn't use the SC3000 because it's a Third Echelon weapon (He's VORON)
Archer perhaps doesn't know about it yet. (3 months before story)
And the gun Sam is holding might not be suppressed from the inside.

Cyrus.H
02-09-2010, 12:50 AM
Originally posted by Revan1420:
Have you ever thought about this:
Sam gets his new guns from Victor Coste
Kestrel doesn't use the SC3000 because it's a Third Echelon weapon (He's VORON)
Archer perhaps doesn't know about it yet. (3 months before story)
And the gun Sam is holding might not be suppressed from the inside.
1. Third Echelon have evidently been monitoring Coste's movements and he openly admitted to them that he would be providing Sam with weapons and equipment, so I don't think that the NSA is just going to sit and twiddle their thumbs while he gives an angry ex-Navy SEAL enough firepower to blow up a mansion in Malta.

2. Kestrel still uses the FN Five-seveN as his side arm. I'm not happy about it and it's not technically accurate (or even logical, for that matter), but I reckon that it was done out of simplicity to avoid having to do more work (like how they gave Sam, Archer, and Kestrel all the same basic animations). Logically though, he should also be using the SC3000 or a variation thereof.

3. If the SC3000 was still in production during Prologue (which I doubt), then he should at least have been using the SC-20K.

4. The developers already explained that the compensator attached to the bottom of Sam's Five-seveN (while not inside, it significantly reduces the overrall length of the weapon) would be standing in as a suppressor, even though it's technically inaccurate and only there to look "cool".

R0NI_S
02-09-2010, 06:00 AM
Just to clarify, usually a PISTOL is a Splinter Cell's primary weapon. Besides, if it is the video from Gamespot I'm pretty sure Redding said that they were pretty deep in the game and they could choose which weapons to use. The players probably chose those instead of the SC3000.

BESIDES, an SC3K is a Splinter Cell weapon, meaning Archer would probably have it, not Kestrel.

JAHman28
02-09-2010, 12:53 PM
Originally posted by Stealthgamer001:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AGENTxxxxx47:
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1927/myweapon11e.jpg (http://img11.imageshack.us/i/myweapon11e.jpg/)

What's this? A supressed-gatling-sniper-assult-sub-mini-gun? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's called an auto-long-range-sub-machine-silenced weapon for short. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Cyrus.H
02-09-2010, 04:42 PM
Originally posted by Yabab_2:
Just to clarify, usually a PISTOL is a Splinter Cell's primary weapon. Besides, if it is the video from Gamespot I'm pretty sure Redding said that they were pretty deep in the game and they could choose which weapons to use. The players probably chose those instead of the SC3000.

BESIDES, an SC3K is a Splinter Cell weapon, meaning Archer would probably have it, not Kestrel.
1. Not in that trailer where four splinter cells rappel through a glass ceiling to capture Sam, they were carrying SC3000 assault rifles.

2. If Kestrel has the same krav maga close quarters combat training and carries the same side arm as Archer, I think it's logical to assume that he is trained in using a SC3000.

J Saint777
02-09-2010, 06:33 PM
Originally posted by Yabab_2:
Just to clarify, usually a PISTOL is a Splinter Cell's primary weapon. Besides, if it is the video from Gamespot I'm pretty sure Redding said that they were pretty deep in the game and they could choose which weapons to use. The players probably chose those instead of the SC3000.

BESIDES, an SC3K is a Splinter Cell weapon, meaning Archer would probably have it, not Kestrel.

A pistol is never, I repeat, NEVER a primary weapon. They have poor accuracy, tiny clips, and are basically designed to be pulled out when the primary assault rifle or SMG fails.

As cool as Conviction looks, military authenticity isn't the game's strongest asset.

Chris_Hun7er
02-09-2010, 06:46 PM
Originally posted by JSaint777:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Yabab_2:
Just to clarify, usually a PISTOL is a Splinter Cell's primary weapon. Besides, if it is the video from Gamespot I'm pretty sure Redding said that they were pretty deep in the game and they could choose which weapons to use. The players probably chose those instead of the SC3000.

BESIDES, an SC3K is a Splinter Cell weapon, meaning Archer would probably have it, not Kestrel.

A pistol is never, I repeat, NEVER a primary weapon. They have poor accuracy, tiny clips, and are basically designed to be pulled out when the primary assault rifle or SMG fails.

As cool as Conviction looks, military authenticity isn't the game's strongest asset. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
1. Magazine, not clip.
2. Handguns have good accuracy if you're trained well, which would mean elite agents like Splinter Cells are pretty accurate within a handgun's jurisdiction, which is, at max, 50 meters.
3. You are correct about them being a last resort weapon, but 9mm, and I assume 5.7x28mm FN, handguns are relatively quiet when suppressed (especially subsonic, but they might not cycle properly), making them a good choice for a stealthy Splinter Cell.

J Saint777
02-09-2010, 07:06 PM
Originally posted by Chris_Hun7er:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JSaint777:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Yabab_2:
Just to clarify, usually a PISTOL is a Splinter Cell's primary weapon. Besides, if it is the video from Gamespot I'm pretty sure Redding said that they were pretty deep in the game and they could choose which weapons to use. The players probably chose those instead of the SC3000.

BESIDES, an SC3K is a Splinter Cell weapon, meaning Archer would probably have it, not Kestrel.

A pistol is never, I repeat, NEVER a primary weapon. They have poor accuracy, tiny clips, and are basically designed to be pulled out when the primary assault rifle or SMG fails.

As cool as Conviction looks, military authenticity isn't the game's strongest asset. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
1. Magazine, not clip.
2. Handguns have good accuracy if you're trained well, which would mean elite agents like Splinter Cells are pretty accurate within a handgun's jurisdiction, which is, at max, 50 meters.
3. You are correct about them being a last resort weapon, but 9mm, and I assume 5.7x28mm FN, handguns are relatively quiet when suppressed (especially subsonic, but they might not cycle properly), making them a good choice for a stealthy Splinter Cell. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with everything you said. But my point was operatives don't enter hostile enemy territory with a pistol as their preferred and primary tool. And they certainly don't walk around barehanded as we did in the first 4 Splinter Cells. People here bashing the realism of this game need to come to terms with the fact that Splinter Cell was never a very realistic game. Challenging and incredibly fun yes. Realistic no.

Chris_Hun7er
02-09-2010, 07:16 PM
Originally posted by JSaint777:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chris_Hun7er:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JSaint777:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Yabab_2:
Just to clarify, usually a PISTOL is a Splinter Cell's primary weapon. Besides, if it is the video from Gamespot I'm pretty sure Redding said that they were pretty deep in the game and they could choose which weapons to use. The players probably chose those instead of the SC3000.

BESIDES, an SC3K is a Splinter Cell weapon, meaning Archer would probably have it, not Kestrel.

A pistol is never, I repeat, NEVER a primary weapon. They have poor accuracy, tiny clips, and are basically designed to be pulled out when the primary assault rifle or SMG fails.

As cool as Conviction looks, military authenticity isn't the game's strongest asset. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
1. Magazine, not clip.
2. Handguns have good accuracy if you're trained well, which would mean elite agents like Splinter Cells are pretty accurate within a handgun's jurisdiction, which is, at max, 50 meters.
3. You are correct about them being a last resort weapon, but 9mm, and I assume 5.7x28mm FN, handguns are relatively quiet when suppressed (especially subsonic, but they might not cycle properly), making them a good choice for a stealthy Splinter Cell. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with everything you said. But my point was operatives don't enter hostile enemy territory with a pistol as their preferred and primary tool. And they certainly don't walk around barehanded as we did in the first 4 Splinter Cells. People here bashing the realism of this game need to come to terms with the fact that Splinter Cell was never a very realistic game. Challenging and incredibly fun yes. Realistic no. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Good point.

Back on topic, I think it's so you don't get equipment that would make the game easy too early.

J Saint777
02-09-2010, 07:32 PM
People are now whining about what weapons are shown in concept art and game demos. If this were the old Splinter Cell it would be a problem because you were stuck with the weapons you had. This is no longer a problem.

Why aren't Archer and Kestrel carrying the SC3000 assault rifle?

Simple answer. The people showing the game at the time chose not to start the mission with it. That's why.

Cyrus.H
02-15-2010, 05:46 AM
Originally posted by JSaint777:
People are now whining about what weapons are shown in concept art and game demos. If this were the old Splinter Cell it would be a problem because you were stuck with the weapons you had. This is no longer a problem.

Why aren't Archer and Kestrel carrying the SC3000 assault rifle?

Simple answer. The people showing the game at the time chose not to start the mission with it. That's why.
I don't see anyone whining about what weapons are featured in concept art and gameplay, in fact we have an entire thread on what weapons have appeared ingame and what weapons we would like to see.

Thanks for answering my question, I just hope that the SC3000 rifle doesn't cost many points to purchase.

savior2006
02-15-2010, 06:27 AM
I want the Spartan laser.

JAHman28
02-15-2010, 09:39 AM
Originally posted by savior2006:
I want the Spartan laser.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Jazz117Volkov
02-15-2010, 10:06 AM
Why aren't Archer and Kestrel carrying the SC3000 assault rifle?
Oh, that's an easy one.
1. You have to unlock it first because it's a video game.
2. Archer and Kestral will carry the SC3000 if you choose it on the loadout screen.

newhenpal
02-15-2010, 10:41 AM
'cause it doesn't exist http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Cyrus.H
02-15-2010, 05:12 PM
Originally posted by Jazz_117:
Why aren't Archer and Kestrel carrying the SC3000 assault rifle?
Oh, that's an easy one.
1. You have to unlock it first because it's a video game.
2. Archer and Kestral will carry the SC3000 if you choose it on the loadout screen.
Learn to read. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif


Originally posted by newhenpal:
'cause it doesn't exist http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
It's not the first time Beland has done that.

J_Nez
02-16-2010, 05:49 PM
Originally posted by Cyrus.H:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jazz_117:
Why aren't Archer and Kestrel carrying the SC3000 assault rifle?
Oh, that's an easy one.
1. You have to unlock it first because it's a video game.
2. Archer and Kestral will carry the SC3000 if you choose it on the loadout screen.
Learn to read. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif


Originally posted by newhenpal:
'cause it doesn't exist http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
It's not the first time Beland has done that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Although the weapon doesn't exist, it is based around an FN F2000. That does give the overall design of the weapon some credibility. I just don't understand why they don't just pay for licensing or whatnot to actually use the FN F2000...

CornerMaster
04-09-2010, 04:25 PM
Originally posted by Aveelo:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cyrus.H:
Does anyone else think it's weird that in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMV13ADmwOY, Archer and Kestrel are carrying obscure Russian compact submachine guns? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Logically, if they're using FN Five-seveN semi-automatic pistols as side arms, then should they not be using the SC3000 assault rifles? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif


The SC3000 is a optional weapon, people have certain preferences and the choice of weapons will leave people picking their favorite weapon like a Fa-Mas or a AK-47. just because it was a orginal weapon doesn't mean everyone liked or likes it. I hated that weapon personally and I played every Splinter Cell. I prefered the handgun over the SC3000. :/

If anything shouldn't people be arguing over the fact that you only have Sonar Goggles and not night vision, thermal, and infer red or whatever the third one is. Cause it seems as if Sonar is the only vision these goggles show.

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa146/grayfox101_album/Archer.jpg

ggghhh123451
04-09-2010, 04:27 PM
nice sig. btw look at the thread date

id try not to bump threads so old.

welcome to the forums

Darth90Fedor
04-14-2010, 05:20 PM
Lol, I'll bump it once more.

You can select a loadout before any multiplayer match, including the co-op story mode, so Kestrel and Archer can be carrying different weapons. You should forget how thinks worked in previous Splinter Cells; this game is totally different.

Grim gives Sam a Five Seven in the story mode because according to her it is "his favourite gun". The SC3000 can only be unlocked through Codeofconviction and some pre-order packages. I got the SC3000 via Codeofconviction and the Silenced Spas 12 via my pre-order package.

Anyway, about SCC; the story rules, co-op rules and multiplayer sucks (max. 2 player online modes, wtf?). All in all, I think this game rules and that the ultra cool storyline compensates for the lag of any cool multiplayer modes...

xxxstremomega
04-15-2010, 06:22 AM
unlock that gun in single then play co-op to equip it now archer is really a splintercell

Paragon Fury
04-15-2010, 07:36 AM
Originally posted by JSaint777:
You unlock the SC3000 later in the game. I'm guessing it's the last gun you unlock. However, the Code of Conviction code I just received via email says it unlocks the Alkali suit and the SC3000 as soon as you punch it in. You also get it immediately with the EU Collectors Edition.

Just because they aren't using it in the Coop demo doesn't mean we won't be using it whenever we get to play this game.

You can unlock the SC3000 about the time you get to [REDACTED] in the Solo campaign, or when you finish [REDACTED] in the Co-Op campaign. The last weapon you can unlock is the AK-47, which is unlocked during the [REDACTED] in Co-Op.

RadioDolphin117
04-16-2010, 08:33 AM
Originally posted by Aveelo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cyrus.H:
Does anyone else think it's weird that in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMV13ADmwOY, Archer and Kestrel are carrying obscure Russian compact submachine guns? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif


Logically, if they're using FN Five-seveN semi-automatic pistols as side arms, then should they not be using the SC3000 assault rifles? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif


The URL contained a malformed video ID. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Yeah the SMG is a Skorpion, the reason that they are not using SC3000's is that they havent unlocked them yet, you unlock it later in teh game

sumoaltus
04-16-2010, 08:54 AM
I'm not going to lie though, if you accidentally get yourself into a pickle, the SC3000 is a quick route out of it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Marqueenhos
05-27-2010, 02:10 PM
Originally posted by Chris_Hun7er:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JSaint777:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chris_Hun7er:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JSaint777:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Yabab_2:
Just to clarify, usually a PISTOL is a Splinter Cell's primary weapon. Besides, if it is the video from Gamespot I'm pretty sure Redding said that they were pretty deep in the game and they could choose which weapons to use. The players probably chose those instead of the SC3000.

BESIDES, an SC3K is a Splinter Cell weapon, meaning Archer would probably have it, not Kestrel.

A pistol is never, I repeat, NEVER a primary weapon. They have poor accuracy, tiny clips, and are basically designed to be pulled out when the primary assault rifle or SMG fails.

As cool as Conviction looks, military authenticity isn't the game's strongest asset. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
1. Magazine, not clip.
2. Handguns have good accuracy if you're trained well, which would mean elite agents like Splinter Cells are pretty accurate within a handgun's jurisdiction, which is, at max, 50 meters.
3. You are correct about them being a last resort weapon, but 9mm, and I assume 5.7x28mm FN, handguns are relatively quiet when suppressed (especially subsonic, but they might not cycle properly), making them a good choice for a stealthy Splinter Cell. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with everything you said. But my point was operatives don't enter hostile enemy territory with a pistol as their preferred and primary tool. And they certainly don't walk around barehanded as we did in the first 4 Splinter Cells. People here bashing the realism of this game need to come to terms with the fact that Splinter Cell was never a very realistic game. Challenging and incredibly fun yes. Realistic no. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Good point.

Back on topic, I think it's so you don't get equipment that would make the game easy too early. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Ok, nice point too. But the based operations os Splinter Cells is Avoid Combat, so not necessarely an Assault Rifle Like M4 or SC3K is a Primary weapon.

And a pistol like five seven have extreme accuracy cause it's ammo is a 5.7,28mm bullet, it can go much longer than 9mm guns, have a 20 rounds magazine and can course over 200 meters. It also have 4 marks, which make the execute action easily to clean up a room before enter it or simply kill most enemies in a combat situation (If you face it, not use an Emp or flash grenade...). Yes the Five Seven got an internal supressor that allows silenced fire with less accuracy, so that's the point.

Cya!

I_Redemptionx_I
05-27-2010, 02:19 PM
Originally posted by Marqueenhos:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chris_Hun7er:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JSaint777:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chris_Hun7er:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JSaint777:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Yabab_2:
Just to clarify, usually a PISTOL is a Splinter Cell's primary weapon. Besides, if it is the video from Gamespot I'm pretty sure Redding said that they were pretty deep in the game and they could choose which weapons to use. The players probably chose those instead of the SC3000.

BESIDES, an SC3K is a Splinter Cell weapon, meaning Archer would probably have it, not Kestrel.

A pistol is never, I repeat, NEVER a primary weapon. They have poor accuracy, tiny clips, and are basically designed to be pulled out when the primary assault rifle or SMG fails.

As cool as Conviction looks, military authenticity isn't the game's strongest asset. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
1. Magazine, not clip.
2. Handguns have good accuracy if you're trained well, which would mean elite agents like Splinter Cells are pretty accurate within a handgun's jurisdiction, which is, at max, 50 meters.
3. You are correct about them being a last resort weapon, but 9mm, and I assume 5.7x28mm FN, handguns are relatively quiet when suppressed (especially subsonic, but they might not cycle properly), making them a good choice for a stealthy Splinter Cell. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with everything you said. But my point was operatives don't enter hostile enemy territory with a pistol as their preferred and primary tool. And they certainly don't walk around barehanded as we did in the first 4 Splinter Cells. People here bashing the realism of this game need to come to terms with the fact that Splinter Cell was never a very realistic game. Challenging and incredibly fun yes. Realistic no. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Good point.

Back on topic, I think it's so you don't get equipment that would make the game easy too early. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Ok, nice point too. But the based operations os Splinter Cells is Avoid Combat, so not necessarely an Assault Rifle Like M4 or SC3K is a Primary weapon.

And a pistol like five seven have extreme accuracy cause it's ammo is a 5.7,28mm bullet, it can go much longer than 9mm guns, have a 20 rounds magazine and can course over 200 meters. It also have 4 marks, which make the execute action easily to clean up a room before enter it or simply kill most enemies in a combat situation (If you face it, not use an Emp or flash grenade...). Yes the Five Seven got an internal supressor that allows silenced fire with less accuracy, so that's the point.

Cya! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Really? Your first post is necro'ing a month+ old thread just to say how good the 5-7 is?

... alright then.

Welcome to the forums!

jyinger1988
07-13-2010, 09:21 PM
Probably because they were sent in with only their prospective sidearms (pistols) and were to acquire further firepower by means of OSP, or On-Sight Procurement. Many covert operations are handled that way. It's easier to get in and out with less baggage.