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jetguy06
01-10-2007, 11:46 PM
I'm flying an offline campaign as a Ki43Ia in Singapore, and I DO play with unlimited ammo(call me a baby or noob, or whatever, I really don't care...It's fun for me.)Anyway, even though I fly with unlimited ammo, I'm looking for some tips on how to bring down Hurricanes and Blenheims easier.I'll get behind a Blenheim and unload what would be my entire magazine into his engines, fuel tanks(between the engines and fuselage), and bomb-bay, but he still manages to fly, long after my ammo should have been spent.It's the same with Hurricanes, though I'm not quite sure where to aim for for maximum effect against them in the first place.Basically, I just wanna know what to aim for on both planes, and maybe on Buffaloes, too, though I scarecely encounter those.Thanks to everyone.

leitmotiv
01-10-2007, 11:59 PM
First and foremost, when using the pathetically-armed Ki-43-Ia, shoot only at point-blank range. Don't bother hosing at a distance. Approach the Blenheim from below (has no ventral gun), rise, and shoot into one engine nacelle. Watch out the gunner doesn't nail you if you rise too far. As for the rest, if you can't rake them from the side, across the canopy, shoot from behind, and at point-blank range---best to shoot when the target fills your windscreen. You will not have a good time with this model Ki-43, but neither did the Japanese.

Feathered_IV
01-11-2007, 12:26 AM
What Leitmotiv says http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

The A model does carry a few more runds than the others I think. Although they are only rifle calibre. Personally I always get Richtofen on the Blennies and kill the gunner first. Then I concentrate on one engine, as above.

With the Hurri's, the top of the cowling is a bit of a sweet spot (wait for the zoom). If your deflection shooting is a bit off, you may miss and kill the pilot instead. Don't waste ammo on dead six shots. The back armour will soak up all the mg rounds. The radiator is a worthy and easy target though. And when they jink, you can take snap shots at the sides of the cowling. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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cawimmer430
01-11-2007, 01:38 PM
I always did an HJM maneuver with the KI-43la when I flew it in my Japanese Pilot Career. HJM is "Hans Joachim Marseille" - he always did extreme deflection shooting aiming at the engine, or the cockpit.

I do the same. Most of the fighters I encounter are P-39's and P-40's and it works splendid. With the P-40, you can actually aim at the engine and there's a chance that it'll stop dead from a few hits. The P-39's are a little harder to catch since they're much faster than you, but I always make them come to me and then use the Ki-43's unmatched maneuvrability to burn them with deflection shots to the cockpit or engine, which on the P-39 are easy to aim for. Usually works. They'll start smoking and head for home or the pilot is wounded and will fly straight or be slow to react - then you have him.

Regarding bombers, don't even bother. The Ki-43la's guns are so pathetic, I don't even bother downing bombers if there are no fighters around. I did down a B-25 once. He was cruising below me and I dived and did a Z&B on his left engine. To my surprise, it caught fire immediately. Encouraged, I targeted the right engine and after a while it began burning too. Then the crew bailed out.

Some other tips. Try not to get hit, because the Ki-43la has ZERO armour protection and no self-sealing fuel tanks. My missions tend to be long range at the moment and when you have a couple of fuel tank leaks, head for home.

Also, frontal attacks could be effective, if the Ki-43la wasn't so poorly armoured. I've seen fellow Ki-43la AI pilots do frontal attacks against P-40's etc. and get burned. A frontal attack in a Ki-43la is SUICIDE. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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LEBillfish
01-11-2007, 02:13 PM
Actually, the Ki-43-Ia does quite well....However, you must drop your convergence to a realistic level, 125 a good start and learn to wait till close to fire...

ALWAYS go for engines, and don't wait to see them crash pounding away...Get the engine smoking, then move on as they'll most likely crash rtb.

As a side note the Ki-43-I DID have "leak absorbing" fuel tanks...Thick silk felt covered in rubber.....They are fairly reasonable in the DM...Yet the Ki-43-II had "bullet proofing"....Thick rubber and should stop leaking just like the Ki-61.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Ernst_Rohr
01-11-2007, 10:46 PM
The 43 can be a very effecive plane, you just have to fly to its strengths.

In the A model, your going to have to get point blank to the target. The big advantage is shooting them in deflection when they turn.

If your flying agains AI planes, you can get them turning by giving them a light tap in the 6, thats usually enought to get the plane to start trying to evade. When he does, go for the kill.

The telescopic sight on the Ki-43 makes for very accurate gunnery, and against other fighters, you should concentrate on the engine and the pilot. When the turn starts, follow them in, then zoom to the scope view and start putting short bursts into the top of the cowling/canopy. Usually doesnt take much to stop the engine on Hurri, the Buffalo definatly takes a lot more hits, so the canopy is a better bet.

In the Singapore campaign, you can count on outperforming the opposition almost totally, except in firepower, but you dont really need it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

If they wont turn;

A good way to kill the Hurri is to dive below him, and as you catch up to him, pull up gently and rake shots into the engine and pilot from underneath. There is no armor on the underside of the Hurri, and I have killed dozens this way.

The Buffalo is similar, but you will generally find the Buff flow by the AI to start throwing in wild turns and gyrations in an attempt to lose you. Watch your speed, stay in his six and follow him down to the deck. As long as you dont have to worry about his wingman, he will eventually run out of E while your cruising along behind him taking opportunity shots.

The Blenheim is an easy kill. A good head on pass is effective vs the Blenheim, but make sure to dive BELOW the plane! Dont pull up or the gunner will light you up! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif If your coming in from behind, get below him, since the gunner cant depress very far. Once your below him, get close and work your shots into the engine nacelles and the wing between the engine and fusalage. The Blenheim is very poorly protected, and very easy to flame up, even with 7.7mm.

The trick is to get the other guy to manuver. NOTHING beats the Ki-43 for turning and manueverability, except for the Ki-27. If they turn, you have a huge advantage. The Ki-43 also climbs and accelerates quickly, so dont worry about bleeding E to stay behind the target.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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leitmotiv
01-12-2007, 12:24 AM
Yes, absolutely, bat the opponents when they climb in front of you or deflection shots into the engine or canopy. I was just using the heavier armed Ki-43-II-Kai and I was astonished when a few bullets blew the fuel tank (ahead of the pilot) of a Hurricane IIC when I clipped him from roughly 4 o'clock. The great thing about the Ki-43 is that, against crud Euro fighters, like the Hurricane or the American Buffalo, you can dictate the terms of the fight. Against P-39s and P-40s and, worse, high-quality fighters like the P-38, P-47, P-51, Hellcat, and Corsair, you are toast unless they screw up badly.

The poor, old Hurricane has a real Achilles heel---its great, big, fat radiator on the belly. If you find yourself close behind a Hurricane, spray right into his rad---he'll start spewing gray smoke, and he'll be considerably less frisky.

I am in awe of your marksmanship, Feathered_IV, Blenheim rear gunners always shoot me in the face or in the engine before I can nail them!

JG53Frankyboy
01-12-2007, 12:38 AM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Yes, absolutely, bat the opponents when they climb in front of you or deflection shots into the engine or canopy. I was just using the heavier armed Ki-43-II-Kai and I was astonished when a few bullets blew the fuel tank (ahead of the pilot) of a Hurricane IIC when I clipped him from roughly 4 o'clock. ...........

here it "helps" that the guns of both Ki-43 II are modeled as US .50cal Brownings in 4.071 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
these are superiour over the Ho-103 , as the Ki-43-Ic has modelled...........

leitmotiv
01-12-2007, 12:42 AM
Ah yes

Feathered_IV
01-12-2007, 02:32 AM
I am in awe of your marksmanship, Feathered_IV, Blenheim rear gunners always shoot me in the face or in the engine before I can nail them!

The trick is to pop up from under the belly, take a squirt and nip underneath again. One of the things I noticed recently is there is a delay in the time it takes the gunners to aquire a target. I do practice it a lot though http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Rammjaeger
01-12-2007, 03:01 AM
Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
Don't waste ammo on dead six shots. The back armour will soak up all the mg rounds.

That's actually true regarding most fighter types, not just the Ki-43. From a straight 6 position you can only aim at the fuselage and the wing roots and thus you will only be able to do significant damage if you have armament of at least 6 * 0.5 cal machine guns or at least one 20 mm cannon. Deflection shooting is more difficult but it is also always more effective than shooting straight from behind.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Heliopause
01-12-2007, 03:16 AM
A bit of action described by a Dutch pilot flying a Brewster against a Ki-43:

Van Kempen fired at an opponent and started climbing again to regain height. He wrote: ?to my utmost surprise an enemy plane flew next to me climbing as well. We looked at each other. He passed me triumphantly?. The Japanese fighter then turned and attacked from above. To get an aim Van Kempen had to pull his fighters nose upwards. Both planes fired at the same time. Van Kempen went into a spin. It felt as if the Brewster lost 3000m going almost vertical. Climbing again, there where no fighters to be seen. After landing, at Andir, Kempen had one bullet hole in his wing.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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jetguy06
01-12-2007, 07:10 PM
I want to thank all of you for your help.I've tried everything yall have said.The deflection shooting works wonderfully, especially since the telescopic scope makes it alot more accurate.Also, With the Blenheims, I find that if I attack from behind and below, I can take shots at the fuselage where the gunner's feet would be, and it kills him.I'll then focus on the engines and he'll go down.I stll, however, have not shot down a Buffalo, since I've flown four missions, I've flown two where we fly south over the same area both times, and both times encountered Hurrivcanes and Blenheims, and two missions where Blenheims, Buffalo's and Hurricanes swarm our airfield and kill everyone but me(I was forced to belly-land both times, with no kills), and now it's another mission over the same area to patrol for enemy planes(I think something's wrong with the DCG)Anyway, I wanted to express my thanks to all of you who helped.Happy flying.

DKoor
01-13-2007, 05:35 AM
A good way to kill the Hurri is to dive below him, and as you catch up to him, pull up gently and rake shots into the engine and pilot from underneath. There is no armor on the underside of the Hurri, and I have killed dozens this way. Now that's a really good advice. +1. I find shots in the belly to be perhaps the most effective, appart from those taken on hard deflection on the engine.
Hurricane is extremely prone to suffering mortal damage this or that way when shot in the belly (engine area). It's usually fire that destroys it, but can be PK etc.
Works against Spitfire also.

Don't know how effective it is vs. Beaufighters since I'm forced to shoot from dead 6 most of the times due to Beau's speed.

Head on is also really rewarding. Most aircraft will die fast if they receive few shots in the engine/cockpit area in head on... but that is two-edged sword... since Hayabusa is underarmed h2h maneuver should be performed only when we see that the oppo plane doesn't have intention to go into h2h vs. us.

I have question for Ki-43 pro's... were Hayabusa's equipped with self-sealing tanks? If so, are there differences between versions (all of them have ssft's or only certain models...?).<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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LEBillfish
01-13-2007, 10:10 AM
Originally posted by DKoor:
... were Hayabusa's equipped with self-sealing tanks? If so, are there differences between versions (all of them have ssft's or only certain models...?).

Ki-43's built by Nakajima underwent almost continual tweeks and improvements as quite simply things were changing in air combat and they were caught right at the shifts peak....

Initially, they were a combination of (if same thickness as Ki-61/likely) 3mm rubber over 10mm silk felt...and were called "leak absorbing" as what they would do is prevent that streaming out of fuel like a Zero....Also to a degree, the combination aiding in protecting against rifle caliber ammunition slightly.

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After some time, eventually the the idea of simply "soaking up" the fuel was abandonded as small caliber ammunition was replaced with .50 caliber and larger. Quite simply, the hydroshock could blow such a massive hole in the "opposite" side of the tank or blow out seams, that a better way needed to be found.

"Bullet Proofing" began to be added, it being simply thicker rubber at 12mm...The rubber helping defeat light caliber ammunition, and larger caliber would restrict hydroshock and help contain the fuel in a bladder as the rubber would stretch as the bullet passed through then return to its shape the hole "mostly" sealing.

Additionally....Besides such advancements you'll note minor things like "flame dampers/spark arrestors" on exaust pipes to help prevent them from igniting the fuel....and on planes such as the Ki-21 & Ki-61 & many others, "fuel tank" fire extinguisher systems (would fill the tanks void with CO2 preventing a fire)....Kawasaki Aircraft now various units still having their "Fire Suppression" division working today.

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chris455
01-13-2007, 10:48 AM
With the P-40, you can actually aim at the engine and there's a chance that it'll stop dead from a few hits

In this sim, it's a guarantee, not a "chance".
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Feathered_IV
01-13-2007, 04:29 PM
I'm reading a book on Clive Caldwell, the Australian ace. He said one shot in the Spits engine was enough to stop it in its tracks. He also said the Tomohawk was only slightly less so. Apart from that little nugget, it's one of the most poorly written books I've read in a long while http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Tater-SW-
01-13-2007, 04:38 PM
So instead of fuel leaving the airframe, it soaks the silk "wick" instead? Not sure I like that as well as keeping the fuel inside the tank. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

tater

LEBillfish
01-13-2007, 05:55 PM
Originally posted by Tater-SW-:
So instead of fuel leaving the airframe, it soaks the silk "wick" instead? Not sure I like that as well as keeping the fuel inside the tank. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

tater

Ok, well lets think about this a moment....

Option A: A wick, yet with no air able to get to it....In kind it's not the liquid but the fumes.

Option B: Fuel streaming back atomized with tons of air in a great big cloud....Can anyone say "Fuel Air Bomb?"<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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leitmotiv
01-13-2007, 07:22 PM
Nice work, Feathered_IV, I'm going to practice that maneuver.