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BY-WEST_KIS
03-04-2007, 11:43 AM
http://war.by-airforce.com/photo/displayimage.php?album=3&pos=226
http://war.by-airforce.com/photo/displayimage.php?album=3&pos=225

BY-WEST_KIS
03-04-2007, 11:55 AM
http://war.by-airforce.com/photo/displayimage.php?pid=454&fullsize=1
http://war.by-airforce.com/photo/displayimage.php?pid=455&fullsize=1

Direct links if previous did not work

ytareh
03-04-2007, 12:06 PM
They are breath taking and scary....feel sorry for the crew members in those positions...

Stackhouse25th
03-04-2007, 12:41 PM
wait? i dont see anything wrong with it?

Sergio_101
03-04-2007, 12:45 PM
Originally posted by ytareh:
They are breath taking and scary....feel sorry for the crew members in those positions...

B-17s were very resistant to airframe damage.
The reason is the "Warren Truss" structure.
later bombers such as the B-24 were lighter
in structure but were
more easily shot down.
It's Wright R-1820 engines were also hard to kill.

To kill a B-17 you needed a fuel, control or pilot hit.
Add to that the inherrent stability of a B-17E through G model.
Even control damage did not always bring one down.

Ask a German pilot, this was no easy target.
And they shot back!

Dergio

BY-WEST_KIS
03-04-2007, 02:22 PM
It seemed it was a direct hit of 88mm flak. I wonder, how survived pilots?
Splinters of a exploded 88mm should kill them.

KIMURA
03-04-2007, 02:41 PM
Originally posted by Sergio_101:
B-17s were very resistant to airframe damage.
The reason is the "Warren Truss" structure.
later bombers such as the B-24 were lighter
in structure but were
more easily shot down.
It's Wright R-1820 engines were also hard to kill.

To kill a B-17 you needed a fuel, control or pilot hit.
Add to that the inherrent stability of a B-17E through G model.
Even control damage did not always bring one down.

Ask a German pilot, this was no easy target.
And they shot back!

Dergio

Not very long ago there a an interview of a German pilot who fought vs. B-17 pulks - he was not an ace, more a pilot like you and me. He made a statement like this (IIRC)"Es war unglaublich wie leicht, die Flächen der Bomber bei Beschuss abkamen!" And massacres like Schweinfurt made prove how right he was. At least any structure of any a/c is made of Aluminum - is prone to any kind damage tiggered by structural impact and/or fire.

Monterey13
03-04-2007, 09:52 PM
Is there a story behind it?
That looks like it was attacked on the ground, to me. I may be wrong, but it doesn't look flyable.

KIMURA
03-05-2007, 12:48 AM
Originally posted by Monterey13:
Is there a story behind it?
That looks like it was attacked on the ground, to me. I may be wrong, but it doesn't look flyable.

If you're refering to the pic below. That 17 received a direct flak hit over the Reich, cost the lives of the bombardier and a further crew member. During the way back, the 0.50" you can see in the foreground slammed to the a/c skin all the time..................
http://war.by-airforce.com/photo/displayimage.php?pid=454&fullsize=1

Gibbage1
03-05-2007, 01:09 AM
Originally posted by Monterey13:
Is there a story behind it?
That looks like it was attacked on the ground, to me. I may be wrong, but it doesn't look flyable.

See any debris scattered on the ground? No. It was hit in the air, and flew back.

BY-WEST_KIS
03-05-2007, 02:56 AM
Originally posted by Monterey13:
Is there a story behind it?
That looks like it was attacked on the ground, to me. I may be wrong, but it doesn't look flyable.

Yes. It was a discription: Damaged on Bombing Mission over Cologne
It was in the air, and this plane landed.

Monterey13
03-05-2007, 07:32 AM
Whew, bet those guys had to shovel the **** outta their pants when they got back.
My hat's off to the pilot who brought her home.

BY-WEST_KIS
03-05-2007, 08:32 AM
2 of crew (bombardier and engineer) were killed. They needn't shovel.
Respect for those brave guys!

SlayingZero
03-05-2007, 10:25 AM
Don't know if you've seen the following site. If not have a look. The guys done good!

http://www.daveswarbirds.com/b-17/contents.htm

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BY-WEST_KIS
03-05-2007, 10:59 AM
Thanks, it's a really interesting site.