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XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 05:53 AM
My X45 finnally bites the dust. During a dramatic and frightfull dogfight I jinked too hard. While avoiding disaster, my X45 developed a crack under the ring that supports the cup and spring assembly. This crack is gone 3/4 of the way around. I ordered a refurbed replacement and plan on fixing the X45.
However I also purchased a Cougar. Its solid construction apealled to me. I dont think I will stop flying anytime. I wanted one that would last. Seems like a nice stick. Any opinion from USERS would be wellcome.
And please!!! Dont RBJ my post.

XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 05:53 AM
My X45 finnally bites the dust. During a dramatic and frightfull dogfight I jinked too hard. While avoiding disaster, my X45 developed a crack under the ring that supports the cup and spring assembly. This crack is gone 3/4 of the way around. I ordered a refurbed replacement and plan on fixing the X45.
However I also purchased a Cougar. Its solid construction apealled to me. I dont think I will stop flying anytime. I wanted one that would last. Seems like a nice stick. Any opinion from USERS would be wellcome.
And please!!! Dont RBJ my post.

XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 06:02 AM
I found the Cougar joystick great for normal flying and B&Z but a little too stiff for a turning dogfight. I currently use a Microsoft joystick and Cougar throttle combination. The Throttle is great.

XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 06:04 AM
They have alot of mods for it. I never liked the stock Cougar, but I think with some work, it could be the best stick.

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XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 07:19 AM
A new Cougar has pretty stiff springs, but they start to loosen up after a while. I have Cougar #9363, and it is by far the best stick I have ever bought, and will prolly be the last stick I ever buy. Heavy, sturdy, programmable. I don't take anything Saitek makes seriously. If you are serious about your flight sims, then the Cougar is all there is to consider. You WILL NOT be disappointed.

XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 08:36 AM
I have one since the release (and little earlier) and simply love it!

XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 10:02 AM
I had a totally different experience with my Cougar...

The stiffness of the springs turned out to be a nightmare totally ruining any shooting ability that I had, the pots spiked and eventually the circuit board blew. I had to spend more money to get a mod etc etc..... anyway its now dead.

I have since purchased a CH Products CombatStick and Throttle combo. This equipment is exceptional and the software / support first class.

Just my opinion so you get a balanced view.

BobCat

XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 10:24 AM
Well owning a Cougar I have found is a Love hate affair.

First one I bought, Trigger 2 didnt work and the usual T10 on the Throttle was stuffed as well.
After getting a refund and a new Cougar all started out well, but after a few months the Pot Spiking starts and Gimbal play sets in as well.

Am I unhappy I bought it? No

Just dont expect to Buy a Cougar and be happy ever after.

I have ordered both the Hall Sensor Mod as well as the UberCougar2 Mod, I am positive that will address all my issues and Only then will the Cougar be all it can be.

XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 10:46 AM
If you have it you cann't return to any other joystick!
For a couple of months your aiming will be embarrassing (this is the reason i think some guys using only the trottle),but you gonna love it.Especially the capability to program each buton-hat and axis.
IMO you have to buy petals if you dont have.
Cougar #02493

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Tully__
07-27-2003, 11:07 AM
If you want to talk to a LOT of cougar users, check out:
http://forums.frugalsworld.com/vbb/forumdisplay.php?s=628143f59311c0c08b12ebbb02e069a a&forumid=8

In particular, check:
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XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 11:17 AM
RE: Cougar Users, Any Out there?


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XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 12:33 PM
I have a Cougar too, and IMHO it's the best stick you can buy.. (if you want spend a lot more money than others sticks...).
I never used CH products or Saitek, only Thrustmaster stuff (FLCS + WCS, F22Pro + TQS), but the Cougar is some steps forward any other control gear now available.. but no FFB!
bye
Pag

XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 04:31 PM
Pagooro

If you haven't tried any CH products. How can you say the Cougar is steps ahead of any other stick?

What you mean to say is, you think the Cougar is steps ahead of the limited sticks you've tried.

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XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 04:31 PM
I had received a cougar as a gift last december. The Potentiometers are cheap, and of low quality for the stick. My throttle pot malfunctioned, and I am waiting on a replacement after ONLY 7 MONTHS OF MODERATE USE. If I'd actually bought this stick/throttle I'd be really frustrated and a tad angry.

My advice is get a CH Product setup, that's what I was gonna do to raplace my X36 when I got the Cougar as a christmas gift.

The cougar has potential if you willing to spend time and money tweaking the springs, and replacing the Pots.

Funny thing I find myself flying much better after I dragged my X36 outta retirement even though the stick centering is a bit sloppy.

If cost is a concern, the x36 or x45 is the way to go, good value

If overall quality is a concern, go with CH gear

I you like tweaking, custimizing, spending too much money, and want a "Cool" stick go for the Cougar.


Roy Baty
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Message Edited on 07/27/03 11:37AM by roybaty

Message Edited on 07/27/0311:38AM by roybaty

XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 06:44 PM
BuzzU wrote:
- Pagooro
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- If you haven't tried any CH products. How can you
- say the Cougar is steps ahead of any other stick?
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- What you mean to say is, you think the Cougar is
- steps ahead of the limited sticks you've tried.
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- Da Buzz

OK, you've right, I've tried only few sticks.. so what I mean is that, for me, the Cougar is OK, and I don't want to play down any others products... beside you must try ALL the stick on the market to say that one particular product isthe best.../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif , and You can make this only if you are a PC store shop assistent../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif !
Hi
Pag
PS Have you tried the Cougar?

XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 06:47 PM
Not really true. I have owned all the sticks on the market. Awhile back I gave away 6 of them on this forum.

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XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 10:45 AM
Thanks all:
And especially U Buzz. Seems like I got a unbiased opinion. Now my situation. I bought a Cougar anyway. I have only tried Joysticks. Logitech Wingman, Saitek X45, Microsoft FF2 and Microsoft Sidewinder. I think the X45 rocks but Im a newbie by comparison. I been flying since Microsoft CFS 1. So I plan on being around a while. I got some USB CH pedals and a Microsoft Strategic commander(Love it). I even got a tiny keyboard(12inches)that fits between the throttle and Joy. I guess, I better get ready to invest in my Cougar cos I gathered that its a project stick. Oh well, such is life.

Thanks for all the advice and opinions

249th_Maico

XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 02:20 PM
You implying I'm biased /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 05:36 PM
I'd love to use the cougar, or the saitek, or even the CH throttle, but nobody, and I mean nobody, will ship to korea... not even Amazon.com. There is a korean site that sells what I like, but I can't read it, and it's EXTREMELY expensive (i.e. 250,000 won for the CH throttle, that's about $250 bucks). Besides, it's more than likely a knockoff... there's no copyright laws here, apparently. Anyone wanna be an intermediary?


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XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 05:38 PM
So...basically what everyone's saying is this:

The Cougar's a good HOTAS-setup that requires time and money (for mods and learning to program and install) to be a great HOTAS-setup?

So anyone short on either time or money should stay clear from it...? Is that what you're saying? (Just wondering since I'm thinking about getting one to go with my MS FFB2-stick.)

XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 06:00 PM
I've been trying to use a cougar for a year now... but she's apparently married.

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XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 06:29 PM
Sticks I have had that my Cougar has permanently replaced:

Top Gun w/ throttle and pedals
Logitech digital Wingman
F-16 fighter stick w/ pro throttle
Combat stick w/ throttle
Suncom F-15.

I have spent NO extra money or wasted time on my Cougar. I use set ups that I d/led from Frugal's site, I own an allen wrench and screwdriver for my pc stuff already, and the cleaning I do to my stick is no more than what I did for my other stick, maybe even less.

Roybaty is a good guy, and wouldn't steer people wrong. But any company that makes thousands of something is gonna screw up a few, thats just odds. I am extremely pleased with mine, and recommend fully and completely.

Roybaty, <S>!

XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 06:31 PM
Yes I have the cougar and it has been sitting in my closet for about a year gathering dust,I gave the stick a thorough workout for appprox 2 months,to be honest,I found the stick to be more trouble then what its worth.

XyZspineZyX
07-28-2003, 06:36 PM
Lester, like I asked, wanna sell it?


Roybaty, tried to give you a salute, < S > you know, and it came out <S>.

XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 05:21 AM
THanks All, I read a post by Bearcat where he used the Microsoft FF2 in conjunction with the Cougar. Well, you guessed it. I got this set up now. Luckyly, the company I ordered my Cougar from wanted me to approve a 47 dollar shipping charge, I told them to keep thier project stick.
Thanks to all.