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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 12:43 AM
I've recently got into flying the 109E, mainly because of my work on the Africa trop skin. One thing that has struck me is that although it's not as quick or as powerful gun-wise as the later 109's, I think it more than makes up for it in other ways, it seems esp. good on in-dive acceleration. What are your thoughts on the E vs. other 109's?

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Message Edited on 07/01/0311:49PM by mattduggan

XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 12:43 AM
I've recently got into flying the 109E, mainly because of my work on the Africa trop skin. One thing that has struck me is that although it's not as quick or as powerful gun-wise as the later 109's, I think it more than makes up for it in other ways, it seems esp. good on in-dive acceleration. What are your thoughts on the E vs. other 109's?

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Message Edited on 07/01/0311:49PM by mattduggan

XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 12:53 AM
My thoughts are it's overmodeled pretty bad, and won't be as good after the patch.

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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 01:02 AM
I thought it was somewhat odd that it seemed better than newer 109's - what's progress n'all? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 01:08 AM
I love it for its turning attributes, its guns are ok but theyre alot better then the latter models. Since i can actually hit something with them since the ROF for MGs is faster then all later models,the cannons on the other hand are pretty slow.

XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 01:25 AM
they climb like a wounded angel though that may change with the patch

its more fun than later models especially the E4 ... the E4 with that lovely 1000 rounds of MG ammo is perfect for prowling around at treetop level looking for trains and transport convoys to harass

also teh E4 is my favourite crate for circuits and scenic tours, just "feels" more real somehow

The 109 JABO dynamic campaign uses the Emil E4B at the start and is one of the better campaigns in the game. Experten also uses the Emil for a while. Ian Boys even wrote a campaign called "Emil" though I have not downloaded that one.

XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 02:02 AM
It's a nice plane, but i'm kind of fond of the F4.

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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 02:06 AM
The Emil is great but IMO the F4 is the purest 109.

It was the best fighter in the world when introduced.

Just for kicks, do some comparisons of the power/weight ratio, firepower, and wingloading of a 109F-4 of 1941 and a Yak-3 of 1944.


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ShadowHawk__
07-02-2003, 02:30 AM
Definitely the F model 109s are the purist. They are without a doubt the cleanest and lightest of the 109s, and the F4 is probably my favourite aircraft in the game, though you have to love the sheer power of the 109Ks /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 02:38 AM
actually i flew both an F4 and an E7 online last night and aside from the bigger gun I personally preferred the E7, seemed "gutsier"


its a shame we don't have proper "trop" variants to go with all the tropical skins people are creating

XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 03:16 AM
Emils = overmodelled, esp. E7 (Speed AND climb) while the E4 is ok speedwise but definitely too good a climber.

Fredrichs = just about right IMO.

Gustavs = get progressively worse modelling-wise from the G-2 onwards.

Kurfurst = looks to be ok overall though some might find a few issues.

The result is a skewed situation where the E7 is probably the deadliest 109 in FB when it should be handily outclassed by '42.

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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 03:17 AM
I agree with Buzz on both counts

A. I think it is somewhat overmodeled and may be altered in the patch.

b. I like the F4 better (if it weren't for it's neutered armament)

It is much easier to fly effectively with the prop pitch on a wheel/slider as even using two buttons to toggle requires constant attention to avoid cooking the engine.




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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 03:33 AM
Ah E4 has endless ammo..only problem is that you need it all to get sucess. F4 is the dogfighter no way around it. Use that rudder to tighten up those turns. Guns on it are dangerous as well. Personally I prefer the E7B...guns, cannons, bombs..oh my!



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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 03:34 AM
I'd be happy to fly the F4 on 41 servers for the rest of FB's life.

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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 03:38 AM
I like the G2 the most. Perfect combo of early war turning with late war guns.

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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 03:42 AM
Oh no doubt about it. The F4 has been my favourite since IL-2 days. Funny thing was I actually didn't fly it for maybe a month after it was first introduced. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif (the F-2's armament had left a sour taste in my mouth)

IMO it was one of the most beautiful planes ever and truly the purest dogfighter in the 109 series.

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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 04:17 AM
F4 is very good except strong torque effect, and it does not have a aliren trim to minimize the torque effect.

XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 05:01 AM
mebbe something like the G2 cannon with the F4 cockpit in an E7z ????


Though I like the E7 I wouold not go as far as saying its the best 109, I think the G6as still occupies that slot even in FB with later variants available

XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 05:29 AM
Salute

Most Aeronautical historians rate the 109F series as the best 109's when compared to their opposition of the time.

The 109F4 had the best balance of speed and maneuvrability of all the 109 series, and when compared to the Soviet, British and U.S. planes it was matched against in 1941, had the greatest 'edge' in performance.

It was also the 109 with the cleanest lines and shape.

For many, a 109F4 in Hans Joachim Marseille's colours epitomizes the Messerschmidt 109.

As far as the current 109E on FB, it is highly overrated in climb and rollrate, and hopefully will be corrected in the patch.

Salute RAF74 Buzzsaw

XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 07:04 AM
The Bf-109F used to be my fav. , preferably the F4 .
Then i got way into the Bf-109G6/AS . That elephant gun will put a hurt on anything !
When FB came out I started off using the usual G6/AS but slowly I started going through the other new 109s .
I came to my personal conclusion that ,....
the Bf-109K-4 is the UBER 109 !
Fast as hell (sheer power)
Powerful weapons (sheer power)
Great manoueverability (sheer power)
IMHO it is the BEST axis plane in the game .

Of course that will all change when the patch comes out .

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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 07:35 AM
Sturmtrooper

What do you do until 44 shows up?

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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 07:44 AM
I love the E series planes, the E7 is my favorite. I love the 20mm cannon, its hard to shoot with, but once it hits, that target is in a world of hurt, I fly it online most of the time, ive shot done alot of planes in this one, including F4's, Yak3's, 190's, IL-2's, and P-39's, I just want them to fix the booster, and the fact that it cant go above 450 or it will overheat. its a great plane, try it out.

XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 09:36 AM
G2 here - but it´s gotta be out of sentimental reasons. You know the battle of Stalingrad & all. I love ZnB with it & you can bug out anytime if you get into trouble...

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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 09:41 AM
BuzzU wrote:
- My thoughts are it's overmodeled pretty bad, and
- won't be as good after the patch.
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- Da Buzz


That's what I think too. Right now it's almost as good as the La-5FN.

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XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 02:29 PM
Buzz U , I didn't know that we were being "year" specific .
Naturally if it was 1942 I could not fly the K-4 . I was just giving my opinions on the various 109 models . If were talking about which are our favorite 109s , it's the K-4 for me baby !

XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 02:42 PM
It has to be the F4 for me - has been since Il-2. But the Experten Vol 1 campaign has taught me that the F2s 15mm nose gun isn't the handicap I thought it would be. It's a fine aircraft.

The Emils are a close second.

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