View Full Version : Long-time AC player, first-time poster: Interesting "revelations" on the renaissance

10-20-2011, 09:41 AM
I've been a long-time fan of the series and especially appreciate of the conspiracy theories and strong historical ties.

Recently I checked out a book at my local library by Gavin Menzies titled: 1434: The Year a Magnificent Chinese Fleet Sailed to Italy and Ignited the Renaissance.

It really covers too much to mention, but the website has all the info in the book and more, but basically any development in engeneering, astronomy, science, and warfare supposedly invented by great european minds during this time actually were learned from the Chinese. The evedince is absolutely and completely overwhelming. I wonder if maybe future AC games could tie in to this connection. I understand Desmond's storyline ends soon, but this could be very fertile ground for Ubisoft in future releases.

Website: http://www.gavinmenzies.net/china/1434-2/

EDIT: wasn't sure if this belonged here... Feel free to move if necessary

10-21-2011, 02:46 AM
this could in some part explain the shao jun theory

a shenmue, yakuza type assassins creed in the future would be great

10-21-2011, 06:29 AM
irrelevant, because renaissance is ignited by following reasons :

1. revived interest in classical ideas and arts, ignited by transferred knowledge from byzantine immigrants following the fall of constantinople, the evidence is the mentioning of classical greek philosopher : pythagoras, plato, homer, aristotle. and the arts which imitates its form, not of chinese arts.

look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G...s_in_the_Renaissance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_scholars_in_the_Renaissance)

2. transfer of knowledge from islamic world, by the middle age the original classical texts have either lost or destroyed, so the way to learn it is through translations, either from the byzantine greeks or the islamic world. this could be seen from the arts of early renaissance. particularly spain & portugal : mudejar arc., and venice : venetian gothic arc. and both is famous for copy of moorish pottery : maiolica. as for knowledge, the mentions of islamic philosopher: avicenna: ibn sina, averroes: ibn rushd, algebra: al jabar.

look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I...s_to_Medieval_Europe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_contributions_to_Medieval_Europe)

and even if its true, i dont think one embassy could enlightened a whole city. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

10-21-2011, 01:54 PM
Well a lot of the important things were invented by the Chinese and introduced around then. There are plenty of references to fireworks in AC2.

Thing is, we've spent a lot of time in this era, going back 80 years would be kinda depressing, expecially losing all the advancements. I think the way forward is forward.

10-21-2011, 03:27 PM
1434 is a pretty good book. As with most things, it's best not to judge based on one item but there is definitely more than one person claiming alot of what is in the book. It's a known fact they were excellent shipbuilders and most everything in the book is plausible - some actually even funny such as the attempts to fly.

If only the builders of the titanic had learned from the Chinese, it would not have sank and killed so many.

10-22-2011, 11:21 PM
Many things are simply assumed because of what is talked about in school... its generally accepted that it was ignited by an interest in the classical ideas and sciences, but there are disparities, such as the advances in astronomy... the ptolemic system used by the greeks and the arabic system were very innaccurate and though most of the actual mathematics go over my head, its obvious that the Chinese had a much more accurate knowledge of the universe, the math and science of which still hold up today. When europe started to use more accurate astronomy, it was after the chinese had already passed through. Just read the book or see the website and it makes sense.