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stalkervision
06-10-2009, 10:13 PM
Just found this out. They shot a few he-111's down too! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

This would be a nice mission if the hellcats battled 109's and 109's. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Historically very possible apparently.

stalkervision
06-10-2009, 10:13 PM
Just found this out. They shot a few he-111's down too! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

This would be a nice mission if the hellcats battled 109's and 109's. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Historically very possible apparently.

Enforcer572005
06-10-2009, 11:07 PM
Yeah, they flew off CVEs in the invasion of southern France and took on the Luftwaffe a good bit, and were very successful. I saw at least one shot of an F6F with three swastikas on the side.

The FAA used them in Europe to I believe.

DIRTY-MAC
06-10-2009, 11:29 PM
They were used on more places in the med

R_Target
06-11-2009, 05:25 AM
RN Hellcats had one engagement with Bf-109s in the North Sea in 1944.

berg417448
06-11-2009, 08:22 AM
http://www.history.navy.mil/download/ww2-30.pdf

stalkervision
06-11-2009, 09:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by berg417448:
http://www.history.navy.mil/download/ww2-30.pdf </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yhanks buddy. good stuff! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

stiboo2
06-11-2009, 05:55 PM
This invasion in Southern France - operation Dragoon, always seemed a waste of time to me, what where it's objectives?

I believe Churchill was furious about it- even talking about resigning! and later said that he was 'dragooned' into accepting it by the Americans! Churchill wanted to put the forces in Italy or land in the Balkans to threaten the German's oil supplies.

I read that some Hellcats were used as artilley spotters?

stalkervision
06-11-2009, 05:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stiboo2:
This invasion in Southern France - operation Dragoon, always seemed a waste of time to me, what where it's objectives?

I believe Churchill was furious about it- even talking about resigning! and later said that he was 'dragooned' into accepting it by the Americans! Churchill wanted to put the forces in Italy or land in the Balkans to threaten the German's oil supplies.

I read that some Hellcats were used as artilley spotters? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

they were doing airfield and ground strafing which is pretty cool. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

R_Target
06-11-2009, 09:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stiboo2:
This invasion in Southern France - operation Dragoon, always seemed a waste of time to me, what where it's objectives?

I believe Churchill was furious about it- even talking about resigning! and later said that he was 'dragooned' into accepting it by the Americans! Churchill wanted to put the forces in Italy or land in the Balkans to threaten the German's oil supplies. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The original idea was to facilitate the Normandy breakout by attacking the Germans' southern flank. The Americans regarded becoming bogged down in Balkan mountains or Italian mountains equally worthless endeavors; and favored direct action in Western Europe. At any rate, despite being invalidated by the actual Normandy breakout, taking the Riviera ultimately proved worthwhile because a third of Allied supplies flowed through Marseille until Antwerp was taken.

The Churchill quip is likely apocryphal, but there's no doubt that he vigorously opposed Anvil/Dragoon. The Americans in turn regarded a Balkan campaign as another in a line of batty Churchill schemes stretching back to Gallipoli.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I read that some Hellcats were used as artilley spotters? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

VOF-1 were fighter pilots with additional training in artillery spotting.

WTE_Galway
06-11-2009, 10:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by R_Target:
The Americans in turn regarded a Balkan campaign as another in a line of batty Churchill schemes stretching back to Gallipoli.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Both Hitler and Churchill were renowned for batty schemes. Its just Hitlers early plans came off but his success rate declined with time whereas Churchill it was the other way around ... starting off with disasters and gettign more success with his later schemes.

KIMURA
06-12-2009, 12:54 AM
Here a F6F-5 of Ens A.R. Wood of VOF-1 aboard USS Tulagi bearing 4 German kill markings. VOF-1 claimed 6 LW a/c destroyed during Dragoon. Ens Wood shared 2 He111 on 19th Aug 44 near Vienne and Ens Olszewskyi downed 2 Ju-52 near Orange.

http://www.markstyling.com/F6F_JPEGs/F6F.19.jpg

R_Target
06-12-2009, 05:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
Both Hitler and Churchill were renowned for batty schemes. Its just Hitlers early plans came off but his success rate declined with time whereas Churchill it was the other way around ... starting off with disasters and gettign more success with his later schemes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed. Churchill also turned out to be dead right about Soviet intentions in Eastern Europe.