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XyZspineZyX
09-26-2003, 08:00 PM
whats that stick that comes from the elevator trim in the p40 and la5 and la7,if you dont know which is the elevator trim check the p40 it even has the name on it and certainly it has a stick. how long does it take you to operate a stick,if you want realism adjust the trimming speed for every plane.notice that elevator trimmer is always bigger and more accesible than rudder or aleron trim in every fighter of the game,and seems it takes shorter to operate than the 21 seconds it takes in the game.
but if they changed it because people complain of how unfair was that some people used the trimmer while they didnt in the next version they can take off the mouse view or at least slow it down because some people use the mouse to watch the enemy at the same time than the joystick while others just follow the arrows because using two things at the same time is too difficult and its unfair for then

XyZspineZyX
09-26-2003, 08:00 PM
whats that stick that comes from the elevator trim in the p40 and la5 and la7,if you dont know which is the elevator trim check the p40 it even has the name on it and certainly it has a stick. how long does it take you to operate a stick,if you want realism adjust the trimming speed for every plane.notice that elevator trimmer is always bigger and more accesible than rudder or aleron trim in every fighter of the game,and seems it takes shorter to operate than the 21 seconds it takes in the game.
but if they changed it because people complain of how unfair was that some people used the trimmer while they didnt in the next version they can take off the mouse view or at least slow it down because some people use the mouse to watch the enemy at the same time than the joystick while others just follow the arrows because using two things at the same time is too difficult and its unfair for then

XyZspineZyX
09-26-2003, 08:27 PM
raaaid wrote:
- whats that stick that comes from the elevator trim
- in the p40 and la5 and la7,if you dont know which is
- the elevator trim check the p40 it even has the name
- on it and certainly it has a stick. how long does it
- take you to operate a stick,if you want realism
- adjust the trimming speed for every plane.notice
- that elevator trimmer is always bigger and more
- accesible than rudder or aleron trim in every
- fighter of the game,and seems it takes shorter to
- operate than the 21 seconds it takes in the game.
- but if they changed it because people complain of
- how unfair was that some people used the trimmer
- while they didnt in the next version they can take
- off the mouse view or at least slow it down because
- some people use the mouse to watch the enemy at the
- same time than the joystick while others just follow
- the arrows because using two things at the same time
- is too difficult and its unfair for then
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XyZspineZyX
09-26-2003, 09:13 PM
I agree. Unreadable.

XyZspineZyX
09-26-2003, 09:38 PM
Whats that stick that comes from the elevator trim
of the the P40, LA5 and LA7? If you dont know which is
the elevator trim check the p40, it even has the name
on it and certainly it has a stick.
How long does it take you to operate a stick?if you want realism adjust the trimming speed for every plane. The elevator trimmer is always bigger and more
accesible than rudder or aleron trim in every
fighter of the game,and seems to me it takes shorter to
operate it from top to bottoom than the 21 seconds it takes in the game.
But if they changed it because people complain of
how unfair was that some people used the trimmer
while they didnt, in the next version they can take
off the mouse view or at least slow it down because
some people use the mouse to watch the enemy at the
same time than the joystick while others just follow
the arrows, because using two things at the same time
is too difficult and its unfair for then.
Maybe the use of this stick in the trimmer was for being able to turn into the enemy using just a slight force with your right hand for small aiming corrections

XyZspineZyX
09-26-2003, 09:45 PM
Give it up. You cannot trim an aircraft that fast end of story. You can however move your head as fast as you pan the mouse.

So give up you've already had one thread locked. Your not going to get your super trim turn ability back. Learn to make the aircraft turn harder the real way. Not the gamey way.

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XyZspineZyX
09-26-2003, 10:16 PM
You can still turn just as hard with trim in FB as you could in IL2. Thats the one thing they didn't change.

And now that the trim moves slow, you just do the RBJ Shift and can fly around with full trim ready to do bat turns (the hardest turn possible) whenever you want yet still fly level with the stick centered.

So now only the exploiters can do bat-turns, wheras before all you needed to do was move the trim lever.

Slow trim is a joke. Soft FM, and autolevel button for newbies is no way for a respectable sim to exist.

Of course those who have no argument can only sidestep the issue, complain about the way a person types, and pretend that bat-turns (the hardest turn possible) no longer exist. Do some of you even fly this sim? Even the person who was most against the old trim (CHDT) thinks the new trim sucks. Some of you people need to get a clue. Alot of people have lost respect in this forum thinking that the way trim is now is ok. Don't be just another one.



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XyZspineZyX
09-26-2003, 11:21 PM
the facts:
trimming doesnt allow you to be able to move the elevator higher or lower. If you watch the elevator while landed and pull the stick fully, you watch the elevator and them move the elevator trim all the way it doesnt affect the elevator,so you just dont turn harder by using the elevator trim.
what avoid the bat turns in the la7 for example is that THE ELEVATOR IS WRONGLY CONFIGURED, it doesnt move as much up as it should move, this can be proved by checking that over 320 km and with combat flaps you cant stall the plane however hard you pull the stick. on the othe hand the yak3 has a right configuration of the elevator because you always can stall this plane by pulling the stick
however way you put it the elevator trim doesnt do its function since is not possible to level the plane in less than one minute
wwii fighters have a maximun and minimum trimming position that has another purpose besides being leveled.if you trim full up and go leveled the plane will stall in matter of seconds. its function i guess is to avoid having to use both hands while turning into an enemy having the other free to use the acelerator or flaps, therefore they were designed to move relatively fast as can be checked with the p40

XyZspineZyX
09-26-2003, 11:41 PM
Are you guys referring by chance to the Aerosmith song "love in an elevator?". That's one hell of a song!

XyZspineZyX
09-27-2003, 01:21 AM
raaaid

Ever heard this expressing before? "You don't have a clue"

Do people keep saying that to you, and you can't figure out why?

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XyZspineZyX
09-27-2003, 01:26 AM
I gotta get me one of them "sit up and beg" jeeps...

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XyZspineZyX
09-27-2003, 04:34 AM
what was wrong in il2 is still wrong in fb,.the force model for the stick is right but doesnt exist a force model for the trimmer, thats the mistake.
in fb doesnt make sense that if you keep the trim all the way up and the joystick down to go leveled all of the sudden you can pull the joystick moving an enormous force. if you do this in a real plane, trim fully up while pushing the stick half way going leveled you wont even have to do effort however fast you go,but if then you want to pull the stick it will have to beat the wind resistance.
people say ubi solved this exploit by means of slowing the trimmer,false, to do the exploit you just have to go leveled with the joystick half way up, and besides added another problem by delaying the trimming which poorly solved by adding the autoleveling key.
for all the cesna flyer who spect to find in a fighter the same behavior than in their planes think what means that the elevator in the p40 has numbers and in the yak 3 an arrow, maybe it means that it just has one revolution of spin(21 seconds for one revolution hummm). and when you pull fully the stick in a cesna certainly it shouldnt stall but a fighter is an extreme plane and if you dont stall or brake the wings you always can make it turn faster

XyZspineZyX
09-27-2003, 04:48 AM
Ever heard of a trim tab?

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XyZspineZyX
09-27-2003, 04:56 AM
Trim Tabs: A trim tab is a small, adjustable hinged surface on the trailing edge of the aileron, rudder, or elevator control surfaces. Trim tabs are labor saving devices that enable the pilot to release manual pressure on the primary controls.

Some airplanes have trim tabs on all three control surfaces that are adjustable from the cockpit; others have them only on the elevator and rudder; and some have them only on the elevator. Some trim tabs are the ground-adjustable type only.

The tab is moved in the direction opposite that of the primary control surface, to relieve pressure on the control wheel or rudder control. For example, consider the situation in which we wish to adjust the elevator trim for level flight. ("Level flight" is the attitude of the airplane that will maintain a constant altitude.) Assume that back pressure is required on the control wheel to maintain level flight and that we wish to adjust the elevator trim tab to relieve this pressure. Since we are holding back pressure, the elevator will be in the "up" position. The trim tab must then be adjusted downward so that the airflow striking the tab will hold the elevators in the desired position. Conversely, if forward pressure is being held, the elevators will be in the down position, so the tab must be moved upward to relieve this pressure. In this example, we are talking about the tab itself and not the cockpit control.

Rudder and aileron trim tabs operate on the same principle as the elevator trim tab to relieve pressure on the rudder pedals and sideward pressure on the control wheel, respectively.

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XyZspineZyX
09-27-2003, 05:09 AM
so what,ok you are an expert but the bug is still there

XyZspineZyX
09-27-2003, 05:23 AM
besides i saw a spit fire and didnt have any trim tabs in the elevator

XyZspineZyX
09-27-2003, 05:25 AM
I guess you missed the 5000 posts on this subject?

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XyZspineZyX
09-27-2003, 05:53 AM
"besides i saw a spit fire and didnt have any trim tabs in the elevator"

News Flash:

WE DON"T HAVE ANY SPITFIRES TO FLY!


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XyZspineZyX
09-27-2003, 05:59 AM
its my second day playing the game ,il2 test server is down.
anyway the force model for the trimmer is wrong because you should be able to use it just as the stick at high speeds.its not a matter of trimming time but of speed while trimming.
the dead zone is not such a dead zone but an unoperative zone.
the elevators dont move as much as they should,probably somebody was afraid that people stalled too much.
no plain barrenes, if this game is realistic if i ever take a plane i wont give a damm about stalling, should i?
no server that works.
please fix soon the il2 test server

XyZspineZyX
09-27-2003, 01:42 PM
raaaid wrote:
- besides i saw a spit fire and didnt have any trim
- tabs in the elevator
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Hmmmm, look a little closer, you might just be able to make something out on the trailing edge.

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XyZspineZyX
09-27-2003, 01:48 PM
I hate the trim in FB.

It sucks and it is unrealistic.

Instead of fast trim we now have the autolevel newbie key, and bat-turners are still aplenty.

I will not buy another Maddox games product until this is fixed.