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slo_one23
02-12-2006, 03:53 PM
Iseen someone askin what the windshield wiper was and someone told him then said look in controls see if you can assign a button to turn em on an off. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif
well u dont have to and there isnt a button, you just fly in rain or thunderstorm and it comes on automatically. I found it acciedently http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif but well now we know http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

-HH-Dubbo
02-12-2006, 04:40 PM
Nice touch and nicely spotted. Have to be at ground speeds though. Once you get above 160 odd kph, it switches off. Cool http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Low_Flyer_MkVb
02-12-2006, 04:43 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

major_setback
02-12-2006, 05:10 PM
Fun!
I'll go for a shower.

BTW slo_one23, 71 posts scince 27 January! That's not slow. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

p1ngu666
02-12-2006, 05:15 PM
nice its true! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

LT.INSTG8R
02-12-2006, 05:17 PM
Hah and they said Rain Sensing Wipers was new technology! I was clapping my hands and loving the clunk-clunk they made the first time I saw it

Crop-Duster.
02-12-2006, 05:19 PM
Yup!

I was in a rain weather coop today and the wiper comes on automatically after spawning http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

It freaked me out man.

I thought I was one puff over the line this afternoon

Stackhouse25th
02-12-2006, 05:22 PM
VERY COOL!!

slo_one23
02-12-2006, 05:47 PM
so im not slow but u do know that i have bout 5 accounts that some1 logged out and i cant ever remember paswords so this is like the 3rd or 4rth slo123 and they all me

LEXX_Luthor
02-12-2006, 05:54 PM
Okay...

Do the wipers WORK in making you see better?

No posts about this so far, which makes me think "NO" -- the lol "wipers" don't work.

slo_one23
02-12-2006, 06:03 PM
well it dont show rain on the windshield so whats it gonna wipe?

slo_one23
02-12-2006, 06:04 PM
i think its just there for "visual appeal" and well everyone likes the click clack sound of wipers

Low_Flyer_MkVb
02-12-2006, 06:05 PM
It don't show feet in the cockpit either, but the rudder pedals work.

It's one of those little touches that bode well for the future....

SeaFireLIV
02-12-2006, 06:10 PM
wow. It`s stuff like that which makes the sim. It`s a pity if it doesn`t actually have any real effect and I wish it was activated by the player pilot. I remember the 1st time I activated the wipers in Apache/Havoc and it wiped away the rain - tears of joy welled up in me...

well almost. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

LEXX_Luthor
02-12-2006, 06:15 PM
SeaFire::
wow. It`s stuff like that which makes the sim.
Its wasted effort stuff like that which breaks the sim when they don't bother to offer gameplay content that makes use of all the Fancy Grafix.

~> I'm thinking of how best to maintain customer interest in the product content long after purchase, long after the customer gets over the "kewl" Perfect Wiper grafix. I am sure the Driving Sims offer the customer Perfect Wipers with far less effort in learning how to play than hardcore 3D cockpit simulators.

LEXX_Luthor
02-12-2006, 06:36 PM
Okay, its possible the Mossie was made with "experimental" aspects of BoB And Beyond. And, its possible that Oleg may model rain decreasing vision on the windshield unless wipers are operating. This can be approximated and not require just the wiper covered area effected -- a game design simplification. It would help maintain sales if AI pilot visibility were decreased during rain. AI getting help from wipers may not be worth programming though.

So, maybe this Perfect Wiper is modelling experiment for BoB And Beyond, as are much of FB/PF now. I recall from the NewtWing board that the final generation of FB/PF models will have features of BoB And Beyond.

hotspace
02-12-2006, 07:53 PM
Cool I'll go a go in a sec http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

ElAurens
02-12-2006, 08:21 PM
Lexx, chill.

It's a fun thing that hurts nothing or no one.

Honestly you guys would complain if Oleg gave you the bloody thing....

Oh wait, he did.

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slo_one23
02-12-2006, 08:39 PM
heh heh its always somethin

LEXX_Luthor
02-12-2006, 08:56 PM
ElAurens::
Lexx, chill.

It's a fun thing that hurts nothing or no one.
It hurts the sim when the development effort is expended on grafix that don't match functioning software gaming content. Start a new thread if you would like to hear more, since as my last post shows, I may have moved too fast here, if the Wipers are a moddelling experiment for possible BoB And Beyond software content.

And, its a truly bizzare impression that nobody asked this question about functioning wipers (they do NOT work http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif).

ElAurens
02-12-2006, 09:24 PM
Lexx, you are way off base here.

The wiper is just a cool little freebie. The time it took to do it would not have helped any other aspect of the sim.

In case you have not noticed, IL2/FB/AEP/PF is finished. Sure some new content is in the pipeline, but that has been coming for a while now anyway. One little wind screen wiper is not going to change anything.

You really need to put these things into perspective.

It's a gift. An "Easter Egg" if you will.

Enjoy it.

major_setback
02-12-2006, 09:30 PM
They have rain in FS 2004 I think, and it was there from the start in CFS2 - years ago (I mean rain splatters on the windshield).

It's not exactly cutting edge technology, wipers neither... precicely why they can and should be used in the game. In my humble opinion.

Old_Canuck
02-12-2006, 09:34 PM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
Lexx, you are way off base here.

The wiper is just a cool little freebie. The time it took to do it would not have helped any other aspect of the sim.

In case you have not noticed, IL2/FB/AEP/PF is finished. Sure some new content is in the pipeline, but that has been coming for a while now anyway. One little wind screen wiper is not going to change anything.

You really need to put these things into perspective.

It's a gift. An "Easter Egg" if you will.

Enjoy it.

So true. And with respect to "maintaining customer interest", there's still enough life in this engine to be fueled by the community's talented mission builders who IMO are getting better and better every year.

Crop-Duster.
02-13-2006, 12:36 AM
Ok Who pee'd in Luthor's corn flakes?

sheeesh

Don't like it don't fly in the bloody rain.

And stop raining in this thread.

You want to piss on the wipers start your own bloody thread

WhiskeyBravo
02-13-2006, 03:06 AM
Jeeeez Lexx, get your head out of your a-rse!

WB.

MystiqBlackCat
02-13-2006, 09:23 AM
I suppose no one is going to complain about the TB-3's pencil rolls but wont write?

LOL....

Treetop64
02-13-2006, 09:52 AM
Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
SeaFire:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">wow. It`s stuff like that which makes the sim.
Its wasted effort stuff like that which breaks the sim when they don't bother to offer gameplay content that makes use of all the Fancy Grafix.

~> I'm thinking of how best to maintain customer interest in the product content long after purchase, long after the customer gets over the "kewl" Perfect Wiper grafix. I am sure the Driving Sims offer the customer Perfect Wipers with far less effort in learning how to play than hardcore 3D cockpit simulators. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

He he! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Lexx and Stigler are like peas in a pod, arent't they!

Get over yourselves already, and have some fun! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

ploughman
02-13-2006, 10:04 AM
Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
Okay...

Do the wipers WORK in making you see better?

No posts about this so far, which makes me think "NO" -- the lol "wipers" don't work.

The wipers work fine, it's the rain's DM that's over-modelled.

SeaFireLIV
02-13-2006, 10:22 AM
Originally posted by Treetop64:


He he! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Lexx and Stigler are like peas in a pod, arent't they!

Get over yourselves already, and have some fun! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Yep. dunno, what happened, but all of a sudden, Lexx can`t get enough of Stigler`s waffle. It`s like Stigler`s become his new best friend! Stigler just can`t say a word wrong. Seriously.

ElAurens
02-13-2006, 10:35 AM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
It`s like Stigler`s become his new best friend! Stigler just can`t say a word wrong. Seriously.

Tomorrow is Valentine's Day after all...

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http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

AustinPowers_
02-13-2006, 11:08 AM
Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
Okay, its possible the Mossie was made with "experimental" aspects of BoB And Beyond. And, its possible that Oleg may model rain decreasing vision on the windshield unless wipers are operating. This can be approximated and not require just the wiper covered area effected -- a game design simplification. It would help maintain sales if AI pilot visibility were decreased during rain. AI getting help from wipers may not be worth programming though.



in the MSFS series, rain on the windscreen is actually modelled. Just park your Cessna 172 under a rain cloud and watch the splashes appear. But considering you have never flown an MSFS flight sim... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Lexx you are a half empty cup kind of guy

If we don't have the weather effects you don't want the windscreen whipers.
While it would be nice to have lowered visibilty becuse of the weather, we don't.
So the whipers will suffice alone.

Treetop64
02-13-2006, 11:13 AM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
It`s like Stigler`s become his new best friend! Stigler just can`t say a word wrong. Seriously.

Tomorrow is Valentine's Day after all...

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif



http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Brokeback Mountain comes to mind... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

LEXX_Luthor
02-13-2006, 05:23 PM
hehe Treetop that *is* a good one!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Well, I expect comedy from a community that has no option to dive. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif I can be funny too!! Although I do appreciate the modder's working over the Wipers, but nobody here noticed that -- the wipers don't work. Maybe it is an experiment for BoB And Beyond that will offer rain cleared by wipers -- hopefully for AI pilots too. Discussion?

Tooz_69GIAP
02-13-2006, 06:06 PM
The wipers DO work, what the problem seems to be is that the rain is not visibly hitting the windscreen. I think that is what is bothering you Lexx.

Either way, it is a very cool feature, IMO!!

Sintubin
02-13-2006, 06:12 PM
Uhmm

Sry to ask but are those whipers on the mosquito moving from side to side ?

I ask this because in QB i take the Okinawa map with rain , I see the whipers but they dont move coreckt ?

Sry for my bad english

Airmail109
02-13-2006, 06:16 PM
The wipers are there for the sole purpouse of wiping luftwhiner debri and oil off my windscreen............

Treetop64
02-13-2006, 06:31 PM
Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
hehe Treetop that *is* a good one!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Well, I expect comedy from a community that has no option to dive. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif I can be funny too!! Although I do appreciate the modder's working over the Wipers, but nobody here noticed that -- the wipers don't work. Maybe it is an experiment for BoB And Beyond that will offer rain cleared by wipers -- hopefully for AI pilots too. Discussion?

Glad to see the sense of humor, Lexx! As for not diving, well, personally I fly low enough so it won't hurt as much when I do hit the ground!

Actually, (and this is from RL experience), once you reach a certain speed flying through rain, it doen't matter whether the wipers are on or not; the rain just shears right away, along with the airflow blowing across the windscreen. You do see some streaking, though. Still, you hardly notice a difference with the wipers on while cruising.

They're useful when on the slower phases of flight (i.e. takeoff and approach, as well as taxi).

I think whoever built the model just thought it would be cool to have animated wipers featured, (and it is cool), and nothing more. After all, how many aircraft that participated in the real Battle of Britain had wipers installed? Certainly not enough as to warrant this "experiment" for BoB. Couple that to the fact that many flights during the battle were cancelled due to poor weather.

Again, it's just a cool feature for eye and ear candy, and I dig it! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

LEXX_Luthor
02-13-2006, 07:07 PM
TreeTop::
Again, it's just a cool feature for eye and ear candy, and I dig it! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
Great, its functionless "cool" but I'd like to see new grafix related to advancing the flight sim product...possibly BoB And Beyond offers rain wiped away by wipers and the new Mossie wipers are a moddeling experiment for future use. That would be COOL. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Treetop64
02-13-2006, 07:14 PM
Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
TreeTop:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Again, it's just a cool feature for eye and ear candy, and I dig it! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
Great, its "cool" but nobody here can see how its "cool" in relation to advancing the flight sim product...unless BoB And Beyond offers rain wiped away by wipers and the new Mossie wipers are a moddeling experiment for future use. That would be COOL. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, it would be cool.

But why are we harping over wipers and a little water? Seems a bit of an insignificant issue considering the engergy spent debating it, me thinks...

Let's harp over something else. Like: how there are trees modeled in the game, but no birds flying around them and building nests in them. I think that's a far more important issue, don't you think?

Burnzoire1
02-13-2006, 07:26 PM
tree-hugger :P

Treetop64
02-13-2006, 07:38 PM
LOL! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

LEXX_Luthor
02-13-2006, 07:51 PM
TreeTop::
But why are we harping over wipers and a little water?
...or drooling over wipers and a little water. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Somebody needed to pour ...er post... a little cold water and point out the wipers do NOT work. Consider it done!

It reminds me of Pacific Fighters water development on the original pre-releace PF webboard. So many members praising New "perfect" Water screenshots. A very few of us tried to say this "perfect water" was a waste of PF development resources. PF reviews and sales proved us correct.

Treetop64
02-13-2006, 07:59 PM
Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
TreeTop:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">But why are we harping over wipers and a little water?
...or drooling over wipers and a little water. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Somebody needed to pour ...er post... a little cold water and point out the wipers do NOT work. Consider it done!

It reminds me of Pacific Fighters water development on the original pre-releace PF webboard. So many members praising New Water screenshots. A very few of us tried to say this was a waste of PF development resources. PF reviews and sales proved us correct. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I really don't think that's the point, Lexx, though you try to make it so. Is Targetware going that badly? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Tooz_69GIAP
02-13-2006, 08:39 PM
Lexx, the wipers DO work!! Fly on a map with rain/snow, fly at around 90mph and the wipers will start moving. It's makes a pretty cool wiper-type sound as well!

slo_one23
02-13-2006, 08:44 PM
its just adding to the imersion thing like the shuttering sound before a stall or moving trees if you have certan setting.
yea of course no one realy needs it but its just more beleiveable whenyou fly by a tree and its moving or o no im stallin ok? just deal and i think there would be alot more whinning if there wasent a wiper because some guys know these planes inside and out

LEXX_Luthor
02-13-2006, 08:44 PM
Thanks Tooz. Do the New Wipers make it easier to see in the rain? No. Perhaps for BoB And Beyond. Consider this very well pointed out by now.

Lucius_Esox
02-13-2006, 08:49 PM
Brilliant,, 3 pages about windscreen wipers http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif love it. I like the sound they make.

I want properly bendy roads in Bob.

LEXX_Luthor
02-13-2006, 08:53 PM
23::
its just adding to the imersion thing like the shuttering sound before a stall
The shuttering and on-screen shaking during a stall simulates as best as possible on a computer the feedback your plane gives you during the stall. The wipers serve no function inside the game.

This thread has made me think of varying levels of "working" functioning in cockpit items. Even moving rudder pedals offer some sort of working function, as they respond to player inputs. I always enjoyed the moving control column, if mostly so I can move the joystick to see instruments hidden behind the control column as it moves -- I would just delete the control column much like pilot leggs are deleted. I always loved the gun trigger buttons, and the MiG-3 hand brake handle, but I would sacrifice them all for working radiator setting indicators. I can see how some digg the new Mossie Wipers -- they do NOT work however. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I think Wildcat has radiator indicators that are a great example of needed functioning cockpit grafix when you use the engine overheat option.

... no, that was flap indicators in Wildcat I think. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif Still useful though (I don't fly F4F).

Enforcer572005
02-13-2006, 09:16 PM
Brokeback mountain!?!? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Uh, ok, I ordered that purple Tomos moped because it was the only one availible...they didnt have the hetero looking black one i wanted, or red, or blue, just.....purple.

Ok, im not going to make a trip to san fransisco on it, and i saved $125 because it was so.....purple.

But i love the mossie...i blasted a pair of mc200s in that thing and was handily beating them using energy, as i did later in the tempest. I had no idea of the wiper, but i started to specify rain in the QMB jsut to see if it worked automatically , but i said NaaaaH; theyd never do that..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Id be happy if they would include a little WIND you could use to make the smoke collums look a little less lame. oh, thats another thread....never mind. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

ElAurens
02-14-2006, 05:13 AM
BTW...

The wipers automatically shut off above 240kph, as at thosse speeds on real aircraft they would have no effect anyway.

And I still think it is fun.