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Oleg_Maddox
03-18-2005, 05:21 AM
Hi all.

I was sick more than one week, howere the work was not stop http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

So from today (or Monday) we will begin to test 4.0 version. Yes 4.0, but not 3.05...
Simply because it deserve to name as new thing...

The main change - new general FM.
The description from readme:

V4.0 introduces the pre-BoB Flight Model (FM). In this add-on we are partially introducing FM from our next simulation (BOB) for worldwide test in our current engine. Flight model in the version 4.0 was already extensively tested by nearly 40 real pilots from around the world and we received very positive feedback.
It is likely that some people may have a problem in their first attempts to fly with the new flight model, especially with take-offs and landings when FM is set to €˜realistic€. However, once you understand the differences and get used to it, everything will fall into its place. We would like to point out, that the new FM will take more system resources to run, especially when many aircraft are in the air at the same time. It doesn€t matter if it is human or AI, because our AI pilots use the same FM!


------------


There will be several new positions of new Aircraft (3 of them AI), cockpit and new modifications of existed, many new ground objects (for both Pacific and Europe/Russian front), new maps for both Russian and Pacific theaters.

New campaign(s)

Also there are great number of small changes and fixes. Maybe not all, but most that to polis sim.

The size will be ~110 Mb for a Merged install and a bit smaller for PF only.

Thats all I like to tell for the current moment.
Please no questions and speculations. We are testing.

Oleg_Maddox
03-18-2005, 05:21 AM
Hi all.

I was sick more than one week, howere the work was not stop http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

So from today (or Monday) we will begin to test 4.0 version. Yes 4.0, but not 3.05...
Simply because it deserve to name as new thing...

The main change - new general FM.
The description from readme:

V4.0 introduces the pre-BoB Flight Model (FM). In this add-on we are partially introducing FM from our next simulation (BOB) for worldwide test in our current engine. Flight model in the version 4.0 was already extensively tested by nearly 40 real pilots from around the world and we received very positive feedback.
It is likely that some people may have a problem in their first attempts to fly with the new flight model, especially with take-offs and landings when FM is set to €˜realistic€. However, once you understand the differences and get used to it, everything will fall into its place. We would like to point out, that the new FM will take more system resources to run, especially when many aircraft are in the air at the same time. It doesn€t matter if it is human or AI, because our AI pilots use the same FM!


------------


There will be several new positions of new Aircraft (3 of them AI), cockpit and new modifications of existed, many new ground objects (for both Pacific and Europe/Russian front), new maps for both Russian and Pacific theaters.

New campaign(s)

Also there are great number of small changes and fixes. Maybe not all, but most that to polis sim.

The size will be ~110 Mb for a Merged install and a bit smaller for PF only.

Thats all I like to tell for the current moment.
Please no questions and speculations. We are testing.

Extreme_One
03-18-2005, 05:27 AM
No questions - just "thanks" for the update.

I can hardly wait to try the new 4.0 FM

I'm curious as to what will be the minimum CPU required to run the new FM computations adequatley without a big performance hit.

I have an AMD 3200XP+ - I hope it'll be up to it....

B16Enk
03-18-2005, 05:30 AM
Version '4.0' wow.

Thanks Oleg, the wait is even more worthwhile now http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Firebird_79vRAF
03-18-2005, 05:49 AM
~S~

Thanks for the update and the hard work Mr. Maddox. Im curious about the hit on the cpu also, Im only running a 2.7.

Lazy312
03-18-2005, 05:55 AM
Thank you! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

eindh
03-18-2005, 06:09 AM
Really bad news for my 1.3 athlon...

LeadSpitter_
03-18-2005, 06:10 AM
two more weeks I guess? Thanks for the update oleg we are all waiting patiently.

TgD Thunderbolt56
03-18-2005, 06:15 AM
Now this sounds interesting. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

It's like getting a new game every patch...which is a good thing. I can't wait.

Thanks Oleg.



TB

TacticalYak3
03-18-2005, 06:19 AM
I'm presently upgrading to Maddox's recommended specifications of a P4 3 GHz or higher (3.06 P4 Northwood HT chip). I already have the desired 1 GB of RAM (Rambus), and will soon order (I think) a BFG GeForce 6800 GT OC video card.

While I realize you may not directly respond here Oleg, could your team possibly post any revision to your recommended system specs for the benefit of those presently upgrading their computers.

Best regards,
TactS!

Extreme_One
03-18-2005, 06:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oleg_Maddox:
...when FM is set to €˜realistic€... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

From that line I suggest that this might be optional. Probably those with 'lesser' PCs will be able to use the current (old) FM http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

JG54_Arnie
03-18-2005, 06:28 AM
Wow! Great news, cant wait to see this all in action. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Thanks for hopping by Oleg! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

csThor
03-18-2005, 06:29 AM
*puts hands to his hips*

You know Oleg - I am slowly getting the impression that you need a personal doctor being around you all the time. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

BluesmanSF
03-18-2005, 06:29 AM
Thanks but I hope that my PC will still run it.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

I have 2,1Ghz Radeon 9200 and 512ram, currently PF runs pretty well on mid settings. Can I run the PF at all after the 4.0? Would it mean that I couln't play online anymore with my squad mates?

Please, post some minimum specs..

JG53Hunter
03-18-2005, 06:43 AM
Wich would maybe my problem too. The minimal specs would be interesting.

VW-IceFire
03-18-2005, 06:44 AM
Awesome http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

For the guys worried over CPU hits...I think if you're over the 2.0ghz line (or equivalent with Athlon) and you've got enough RAM then you'll be ok.

Bluesman, your systems blottleneck is the graphics card. So you may not notice much of a difference at all.

Firebird, a 2.7 is what I'm running (Athlon 2700+)...I doubt we'll be cut out or notice too much of a difference than from before.

AWL_Frog
03-18-2005, 06:48 AM
This sounds really great.

But...does that mean that the new clouds will not be in? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

MEGILE
03-18-2005, 06:48 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

2 weeks?
Enough time for a new pc. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

nsu
03-18-2005, 06:52 AM
Hi Oleg great news!
New FM !! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
new Maps !! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif
new Objekts: http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif
can you list the new Objekts it is with the "Bomb crater" (Bombenkrater) i have send a e-mail for you!
http://people.freenet.de/nsu1/Rauch/Krater.JPG
Bomb crater for more realistic Battlefield !


Gruß NSU http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

BluesmanSF
03-18-2005, 06:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:

Bluesman, your systems blottleneck is the graphics card. So you may not notice much of a difference at all.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you IceFire! Even some sort of information is much appreciated! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif
(as I'm clearly not a PC-genius..)
I just hope that my PC will run it, somehow..

Logiko320
03-18-2005, 06:58 AM
thanks for the upadate... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif4.0

Jambock__01
03-18-2005, 07:02 AM
Love you Oleg, thx http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Jaws2002
03-18-2005, 07:13 AM
Great news. new FM. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
We'll be all newbs again. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

But please before the release throw few mine shells in that MG 151/20.We've been good boys. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif We deserve them http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif.
Thank you Mr Maddox. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Feathered_IV
03-18-2005, 07:18 AM
Wonderful to have some news! But what does "There will be several new positions of new Aircraft" mean? Is that new cockpit positions of existing AC (the Beau for example) or just new aircraft?

Looking forward to it nonetheless http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Tooz_69GIAP
03-18-2005, 07:26 AM
Interesting to say the least. I too would be interested to know any alterations to the minimum system specs for the new FM as I have a low end system which I will not be able to upgrade for some time as I am a poor struggling student.

Just how hard of a hit will this new FM give us??

But glad yer feeling better Oleg!!

goshikisen
03-18-2005, 07:28 AM
Some new Pacific objects... I wonder if they've had the time to add a couple ships. The joy of speculating.

4.0... sounds monumental. Can't wait!

FliegerAas
03-18-2005, 07:28 AM
I'm surprised in a very positive way!
A new FM is far more than I expected.

Could you clarify what you mean with "new FM will take more system resources" ?

Thx

HelSqnProtos
03-18-2005, 07:34 AM
......how about a timeframe for some of this content.

WTE_Gog
03-18-2005, 07:34 AM
Great, just what we need....more riddles! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

x__CRASH__x
03-18-2005, 07:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WTE_Gog:
Great, just what we need....more riddles! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Roses are red
Violets are blue
We're getting a new FM
So STFU.

How's that for a riddle?

You're right. Thats a terrific poem. Not a riddle. Ok, here is a riddle:

What will be over 100MB large, and eagerly anticipated for over 5 months?

Duh! The me-155! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


Oh, and the patch too! lol

Thanks for the update Oleg! It's always good to hear news from the source. Hope you are feeling much better!

KRISTORF
03-18-2005, 07:50 AM
Done when it done

Kwiatos
03-18-2005, 07:51 AM
Maby we could see some track with new FM??? These will be good idea for friday Development Update http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Capt._Tenneal
03-18-2005, 07:55 AM
Thanks for the news.

I hope "reworked cockpits" include the Me-109's, they sorely need refurbishing (to I-185 and J8A standards http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif). Oh, and P-47 pits too.

Also, it must be Olegish English but can someone clarify :

There will be several new positions of new Aircraft (3 of them AI)

From "new positions" it sounds like locations in flyable aircraft, but then Oleg says 3 are AI. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

RxMan
03-18-2005, 07:56 AM
He calls it an "addon", not a patch. Very interesting. Everything sounds good, I will just have to force myself to be more patient on approach. Sounds like all slow speed flight will be significantly affected, need to rethink turn-n-burn methods, ****.

Philipscdrw
03-18-2005, 08:01 AM
Wow. This is awesome news! Thanks Oleg - I can sleep soundly now, knowing that the patch hasn't been released while I'm in bed...

except...

now I'll be checking the site every 3 hours for dev. updates! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Wow - a new flight model - that's incredible. I wasn't expecting that! Will spins and stalls, and compressability, be simulated more finely?

269GA-Veltro
03-18-2005, 08:16 AM
New life for FB!!!!

Great news Oleg, thank a lot! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

FI_Macca44
03-18-2005, 08:20 AM
Great news, Oleg.

Something tells that there will be ALWAYS some "armchair experts" saying that this is wrong, this is wrong, that should be fixed.....no matter what. Let's wait and see.


S!

RxMan
03-18-2005, 08:24 AM
Well I have never flown a WWII combat AC as they were configuered during the war, as a matter of fact I have never even been on any airplane (with the engines running) in my life. I will just fly them the way Oleg says they should fly and be plenty happy, and enjoy the moment.
What a wonderful way to spend a retirement.

jagdmailer
03-18-2005, 08:49 AM
This post is a little confusing...

1. So I assume we are getting 3.05M anyday now (which has been in testing for a few weeks now) - in addition, he says that they are starting to test 4.0 concurrently - which introduces new FM and stuff & which should be ready in....X weeks ?

2. or....he said that 3.05M has been scrapped because too many changes and that they had not been testing 3.05 for a few weeks, but that they have just really started today and that it has been renamed 4.0 because too many changes ?

Survey says ???

Jagd

Sto1MAR1MP
03-18-2005, 08:57 AM
Thank you Oleg

AlmightyTallest
03-18-2005, 09:08 AM
Looking forward to it Oleg, sounds like there's a lot of new things to look forward to in this addon. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Also, glad to hear your feeling better than you were the last few weeks.

nsu
03-18-2005, 09:08 AM
here the new Objekts:
http://www.pacific-fighters.com/ss/ground_object_001.jpg

http://www.pacific-fighters.com/ss/ground_object_002.jpg

http://www.pacific-fighters.com/ss/ground_object_004.jpg

http://www.pacific-fighters.com/ss/ground_object_007.jpg

http://www.pacific-fighters.com/ss/ground_object_010.jpg

link:
http://www.pacific-fighters.com/de/screenshots.php

Gruß NSU http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

triggerhappyfin
03-18-2005, 09:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oleg_Maddox:
Hi all.

......................It doesn€t matter if it is human or AI, <span class="ev_code_RED">because our AI pilots use the same FM</span>!


------------


<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



Now thats worth waiting for... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Capt._Tenneal
03-18-2005, 09:12 AM
Jagd, my interpretation (and just MY interpretation) is that we should now expect 4.00. They intended to release 3.05 but the changes were too many and too comprehensive that it warranted a new "whole number" version, hence 4.00 . Like getting a brand new box expansion, but without the box.

Sgt.Raptor2
03-18-2005, 09:29 AM
Thanks for the update ...

goshikisen
03-18-2005, 09:30 AM
How about One Japanese Cruiser, One Japanese Battleship and One US Battleship? They'd make PF 4.0 really outstanding.

crazyivan1970
03-18-2005, 09:41 AM
Good stuff, all across the board http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Jetbuff
03-18-2005, 09:42 AM
I don't care who you are or what else you think of PF - this level of support is beyond impressive! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Thank you sir...

Rola.
03-18-2005, 09:46 AM
Thanks Oleg, those are VERY interesting news!

LBR_Barkhorn
03-18-2005, 10:23 AM
Thx, Oleg!!!

But, i have a little doubt: I'm sure my GF card is weak (only 64mb), and i'm preparing to change it. But, with an AthlonXP 2000+ with 512mb RAM and the new 128mb GF card i'll buy, it'll be possible for me to run FB/AEP/PF 4.0 with good results?

Kapt_A
03-18-2005, 11:23 AM
Great news.Thank you for the update. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Endy1
03-18-2005, 11:41 AM
Thanks very much for the update, looking forward to it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

ronnied316
03-18-2005, 11:42 AM
So is it safe to assume that the additions that were to be included in 3.05 will be rolled up into 4.00; with the added bonus of the new flight models? Additionally, Oleg, is it possible to post some benchmarks for the community so that we can get a minimum and/or recommended PC spec for the new FM's? This would cut down on 50% of the questions here. Oh, and thanks for the update!

flyingscampi
03-18-2005, 11:43 AM
"AI pilots use the same FM!"

Happy days are here again
The skies above are clear again
So let's sing a song of cheer again
Happy days are here again!

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1241.gif

NerdConnected
03-18-2005, 12:16 PM
Oleg,

Can't wait to see 4.0 in action ;-) Thank you, thank you... I think I'm gonna get me a dual-core real soon ;-)

Mark

Gibbage1
03-18-2005, 12:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Extreme_One:
No questions - just "thanks" for the update.

I'm curious as to what will be the minimum CPU required to run the new FM computations adequatley without a big performance hit.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That sounds like a question to me!

Extreme_One
03-18-2005, 12:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Extreme_One:
No questions - just "thanks" for the update.

I'm curious as to what will be the minimum CPU required to run the new FM computations adequatley without a big performance hit.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That sounds like a question to me! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well spotted! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ronnied316:
So is it safe to assume that the additions that were to be included in 3.05 will be rolled up into 4.00; with the added bonus of the new flight models? ... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think it's safe to make that assumption.

Buzzsaw-
03-18-2005, 12:48 PM
Hello Oleg

Thankyou very much for this information. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

We are all looking forward to the next patch. I am sure it will improve many things in the Sim. I am very interested to hear about the introduction of the BoB based Flight Model. This will undoubtably be a big advancement. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Thankyou again Buzzsaw

airjunkie
03-18-2005, 12:58 PM
Well 4.0 sounds great but the new computers oleg's buying everybody sounds even better. thanks oleg.

JG54_Arnie
03-18-2005, 01:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by flyingscampi:
"AI pilots use the same FM!"
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

As far as I know they did already? The main difference is that they dont black out or break up at high speeds?

VR_Chalky2005
03-18-2005, 01:17 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Stanger_361st
03-18-2005, 01:35 PM
Oleg Quote:"V4.0 introduces the pre-BoB Flight Model (FM). In this add-on we are partially introducing FM from our next simulation (BOB) for worldwide test in our current engine. Flight model in the version 4.0 was already extensively tested by nearly 40 real pilots from around the world and we received very positive feedback."

Even though 40 real pilots from around the world gave positive feedback, somehow I feel the FM is going to be challenge by every armchair pilot.
Let the whining begin.

Capt._Tenneal
03-18-2005, 01:54 PM
Even though 40 real pilots from around the world gave positive feedback, somehow I feel the FM is going to be challenge by every armchair pilot.

I agree. That 41st pilot will be found that has exactly the opposite viewpoint on the FM. He then will be the most quoted person post ver 4.0 . The mods better take their vacations now. They will have to work overtime locking runaway threads. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Troll2k
03-18-2005, 02:02 PM
From the Oleg message" because our AI pilots use the same FM!"

Does that mean we will now be able to fly like the AI?

VMF-214_HaVoK
03-18-2005, 02:19 PM
When Oleg speaks of cockpit modifications I hope he means the Hellcat http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

wcat
03-18-2005, 02:21 PM
So with ver 4.0, we become beta testers for the BoB FM's? mmmhhh...
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

-wcat-
417RCAF

woofiedog
03-18-2005, 02:53 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif This is Great New's... Thank's Oleg!

Cess-SGTRoc
03-18-2005, 02:57 PM
Thanks Oleg, the best news yet. I can wait for somthing and not get angry if there is just news on the issue,where we know just a little of what is going on.

As to the new FM well I will say this, you are right on people having to learn again, it will be amusing watching all take offs and landings the first few days.
I still see a lot of take off's now that just blow my mind. It may help stop the cross runway flyers also.

dazzy2g2
03-18-2005, 03:07 PM
great cant wait ty http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Stackhouse25th
03-18-2005, 03:24 PM
Oleg if you need another 'real world pilot' to test it out you should let me know.

I've got 3000hours simulator time and nearly 300 real hours.

PriK
03-18-2005, 03:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG54_Arnie:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by flyingscampi:
"AI pilots use the same FM!"
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

As far as I know they did already? The main difference is that they dont black out or break up at high speeds? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No.

The AI currently uses a "dumbed-down" flight model that only tries to approximate what happens in the player FM. This was necessary because of the resources the rest of the game takes up until more recently.

For those of you looking to upgrade your video card because of what was said about 4.0 you may wish to know that AI algorithms are calculated on the CPU not the video card. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

JG54_Arnie
03-18-2005, 04:31 PM
Ah, cool http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Stanger_361st
03-18-2005, 05:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PriK:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG54_Arnie:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by flyingscampi:
"AI pilots use the same FM!"
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

As far as I know they did already? The main difference is that they dont black out or break up at high speeds? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


No.

The AI currently uses a "dumbed-down" flight model that only tries to approximate what happens in the player FM. This was necessary because of the resources the rest of the game takes up until more recently.

For those of you looking to upgrade your video card because of what was said about 4.0 you may wish to know that AI algorithms are calculated on the CPU not the video card. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oleg has stated that the flyable AI use the same FM as breathers. What we have are two classes of AI. One for Flyables and one FM for non flyables. This is how I interpet his Quote to me on this subject.

Wolf-Strike
03-18-2005, 06:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stanger_361st:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PriK:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG54_Arnie:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by flyingscampi:
"AI pilots use the same FM!"
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

As far as I know they did already? The main difference is that they dont black out or break up at high speeds? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


No.

The AI currently uses a "dumbed-down" flight model that only tries to approximate what happens in the player FM. This was necessary because of the resources the rest of the game takes up until more recently.

For those of you looking to upgrade your video card because of what was said about 4.0 you may wish to know that AI algorithms are calculated on the CPU not the video card. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oleg has stated that the flyable AI use the same FM as breathers. What we have are two classes of AI. One for Flyables and one FM for non flyables. This is how I interpet his Quote to me on this subject. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Where was Oleg going with the statement in your Sig???It makes my head hurt http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Latico
03-18-2005, 06:22 PM
If they have corrected some of the FM, I wonder if this means that they fixed the SBD so that it cannot take off from a carrier with more than 1000 pounds of ordinance? Historically this would have been correct from what I've been told by a former back seat gunner on the SBD-3/5 on the CV-6 Enterprise. Take offs with 1000 pounds and full fuel required a cat shot.(They always took full fuel, too)

Lt.Davis
03-18-2005, 06:28 PM
Is 4.o support Vector Expansion 6DOF?

TAGERT.
03-18-2005, 07:06 PM
Hmmmm this is great news! A more complex FM! Thank god for PC progress.. That allows more things to be done!

Bearcat99
03-18-2005, 10:21 PM
Great news Oleg........ I can hardly wait.

ucanfly
03-18-2005, 10:44 PM
Great news. Unfortunately for me that means a new PC. If the FMs are as good as they sound then it will be worth it.

sapre
03-18-2005, 11:02 PM
I really really hope the "new ground objects for both theatres" includes new ships.
If so, I would be rolling down on the floor laughing insanely when the day comes.

WTE_Gog
03-19-2005, 12:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jagdmailer:
This post is a little confusing...

1. So I assume we are getting 3.05M anyday now (which has been in testing for a few weeks now) - in addition, he says that they are starting to test 4.0 concurrently - which introduces new FM and stuff & which should be ready in....X weeks ?

2. or....he said that 3.05M has been scrapped because too many changes and that they had not been testing 3.05 for a few weeks, but that they have just really started today and that it has been renamed 4.0 because too many changes ?

Survey says ???

Jagd <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree mate, but if you ask the peanut, x__CRASH__x , apparently it's perfectly clear. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

When one person says it's confusing then you can say he may be a bit dim, but when several do, then it needs clarifying.

So instead of being a smart a r s e Crash be a an adult and admit that Oleg's post is confusing and maybe we will get some sort of concrete info. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

The new FM is a given but what the he// else is coming? (except those ground objects http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif)
I want plane names!!!!!!!

JG54_Arnie
03-19-2005, 01:41 AM
What is the problem with you people? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif He mentioned flyables that are being worked on the "what currently in works" thread, is it that hard? And yes he said some may not be certain, but most of them would make it dont yah think?

And Olegs post is quite clear to me, he said that they wanted to supply 3.05 but renamed because of the big change, simple enough.

WTE_Gog
03-19-2005, 02:18 AM
Because Arnie, there have been about 20 aircraft tossed into the 'going to be in the next patch' mix over the last 5 months, that's why! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Obviously we aren't going to get 20 flyables, so which one's are we getting? Oleg has said that it (the update) has been comprehensibly tested, so surely he knows which planes are in it? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif So why the secret?

Are we getting 3? 4? 6? How many and what are they? It can't be that hard to tell us as surely the list is relatively finalised by this late stage.

Perhaps the lack of concrete info on the flyables can be attributed to the fact that we may not be getting the aircraft that we were expecting. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif

As for the crescendo of applause for giving us this great news and some screen shots of basically superfluous items, I'm not convinced. It's the same tidbits of info to quell the masses as we have been getting fed for the last 5 months.

Situation normal, no change!

JG54_Arnie
03-19-2005, 02:28 AM
hmm. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Well, I think everybody is speculating too much, wait and see is all we can do really.

Personally new, more realistic FM means a lot more to me than 100 new flyables with less realistic FM.
Just let the man do his job, critizing every move he makes isnt gonna bring the new flyables any closer either.

WTE_Gog
03-19-2005, 02:41 AM
Arnie,

I'm not arguing about the FM. The fact that we are getting a new one is great news but the rest of the info is vague and confusing, that's all.

Cheers

JG54_Arnie
03-19-2005, 02:57 AM
Rgr http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Fair enough, indeed, info is scarse, and sure it would be great to hear about every thing they are working on, what we can expect. But look at it from Oleg's position, from what he learned in the past. He might have learned not to pin himself down on promising certain things, because he got lynched by the communitiy every time he fails to deliver or "our time runs out".

I think we can trust Oleg, that he does the best he can to give us a better sim with every patch. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
For now all we can do is enjoy whats in the sim already.

flyingscampi
03-19-2005, 05:40 AM
If the AI has the same FM it will transform the offline game. It means you can work out relative aircraft strengths and weaknesses more accurately than you can at the moment. It will greatly improve the 'realism' of the game.

No more UFO aerobatics from AI planes for example http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Endrju
03-19-2005, 06:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kwiatos:
Maby we could see some track with new FM??? These will be good idea for friday Development Update http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Some time ago there was a track available online, it showed some parts of the new FM on Yak-3. The difference could be seen especially at stall, the Yak wobbled for a moment when falling down. If somebody wants, I can send him/her the track. anankofan@interia.pl

Monson74
03-19-2005, 10:11 AM
I'm curious about the performance hit - hope I'll make it through with my rig http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

GT182
03-19-2005, 10:54 AM
Great news indeed Oleg. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

As to why he's so secretive... it's his sim, not ours. LOL And that's ok by me. The "anticipation factor" makes it all the better.

Maybe it'll be our Easter Bunny present from 1C. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif If not, no big deal..... just take the time to do it right the 1st time for v4.0.

zoomar
03-19-2005, 12:17 PM
Ignoring the long list for the "add-on" Oleg posted many months ago (maybe before the problem with the licensing of US planes), it still seems probable we will get several new flyable japanese planes (Ki100, J2M, G4M), Maybe a flyable CW21, and AI B6N, Mosquito, and Fokker DXIII. All of this adds a lot to Pacific Fighters. There has never been any word on new ships, which is the most unfortunate thing. Without at least one US BB, one Japanese BB, and one Japanese cruiser, it is virtually impossible to make good FMB's of naval action. To this day, I still don't understand why we got a KGV rather than a Japanese or US BB. I guess so we could sink the PoW with our AI G4Ms.

adriatic
03-19-2005, 12:54 PM
Ave Oleg!!!

I dont know did we diserve it, just hope that most of us will respect it!!!

I'm in advance terrified from those who will blame you that ##### plane is completly wrong flying...

csThor
03-19-2005, 01:45 PM
There is one reason for the "secrecy" I think has quite a lot of weight. Whenever Oleg made some kind of announcement the rumors and speculations grew to the size of a Super Star Destroyer http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I think Oleg thinks it would be unwise to give any hint to what is exactly possible for any release as it's never sure if a project will be ready on time. More importantly if Oleg mentions a certain plane as possibility many would see this as airtight evidence that this particular plane would be included in the next patch - either wishful thinking or the climax of naivety. The outcry when it isn't in the next patch ... Well you just have to look back at previous patches.

goshikisen
03-19-2005, 03:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by zoomar:
There has never been any word on new ships, which is the most unfortunate thing. Without at least one US BB, one Japanese BB, and one Japanese cruiser, it is virtually impossible to make good FMB's of naval action. To this day, I still don't understand why we got a KGV rather than a Japanese or US BB. I guess so we could sink the PoW with our AI G4Ms. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good point... I appreciate the fine work of the modellers who have (hopefully) brought us the Curtiss Demon and the new Fokker XXI but I question the priorities of 1C. You'd think Oleg would have put out a request for pivotal PF objects like a Japanese Cruiser, a Japanese BB and a US BB. The lawyer situation doesn't preclude every US Navy ship ever built... just certain ones. Japanese Ships... there is no moratorium on their inclusion.

If anyone has need of references for Japanese ships... I can provide.

Again... V2's and Buses are great, I don't begrudge their inclusion, but I see some Pacific Theatre objects as being far more important for what is, ostensibly, a Pacific Fighters Update.

Bearcat99
03-19-2005, 04:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oleg_Maddox:

So from today (or Monday) we will begin to test 4.0 version. Yes 4.0, but not 3.05...
Simply because it deserve to name as new thing...

The main change - new general FM.
The description from readme:
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So what is so hard to understand about that? What is so confusing? He didnt mention specific planes that were to be in this patch.. no doubt for a reason.. which is HIS perogative.... He did show some objects..... he told us that the main reason why this patch is 4.0 and not 3.05 is because of the new FM he wants us to check out. What is so confusing? This is probably one of the main reasons why we havent gotten it yet.... plus for all we know he may be waiting for some kind of legal stuff from Gruman or some other money grabbing entity so he can give some of the more vocal dissatisfied members of the community something that he feels they deserve. We dont know. I dont know. I have no specific facts about anything other than what is posted here like you guys..... but I DO know that some of you guys are real pieces of work. It amazes me how so many of you expect 1C to operate around your expectations and your timetable..... instead of what is best for the many.. meaning the company and us. So we had to wait a bit longer..... BFD!!!! Anyone who cant have a good time with FB3.04m is just not trying. The patch is coming .... when we dont know exactly....... but it is coming and already it has more than anyone expected. I wasnt expecting a whole reworked FM.... Maybe this is his way of making up for something that was out of his control.... like I said I dont know.. but what I heard sounds GREAT... and what I already have is great. I have no doubt that whatever is coming in this patch... it will be a doozy and it will elevate the best WW2 combat flight simulator on the market even higher above any and all competition. Lets wait for the dadblamed thing to be released before we start crying and moaning about what isnt in it.

VikingViper
03-19-2005, 05:03 PM
woogah...v4.0 is sure gonna be interesting to try out. It's been a long time since last I played IL2/PF...this will lure me back into the game http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

REDHAWK_1
03-19-2005, 05:26 PM
Just how much more of the PC resorces will this 4.0 patch take from the PC. I just spent $1400
last week up grading my PC or should I say rebuilt my system.
I picked up a ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe MB
http://usa.asus.com/products/mb/socket939/a8nsli-d/overview.htm A ATI Radeon X800XL 256MB PCI Express V-Card, 2GIG of memory A 200 GIG SATA HD
a AMD 64bit 3200 procressor. And a new Saitek X45. I hope that will be enough to run this 4.0 patch.

Wolf-Strike
03-19-2005, 05:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by REDHAWK_1:
Just how much more of the PC resorces will this 4.0 patch take from the PC. I just spent $1400
last week up grading my PC or should I say rebuilt my system.
I picked up a ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe MB
http://usa.asus.com/products/mb/socket939/a8nsli-d/overview.htm A ATI Radeon X800XL 256MB PCI Express V-Card, 2GIG of memory A 200 GIG SATA HD
a AMD 64bit 3200 procressor. And a new Saitek X45. I hope that will be enough to run this 4.0 patch. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


You know I just spent $1,100.00 on my upgrade and am unhappy.Unhappy in that I thought I would be able to fly full settings and I cant.Even with AA and AF at zero I still dip into the mid 20's flying thru intemse action online.I should of went the SLI way and I didnt and now I payhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

TacticalYak3
03-19-2005, 06:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by REDHAWK_1:
Just how much more of the PC resorces will this 4.0 patch take from the PC. I just spent $1400
last week up grading my PC or should I say rebuilt my system.
I picked up a ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe MB
http://usa.asus.com/products/mb/socket939/a8nsli-d/overview.htm A ATI Radeon X800XL 256MB PCI Express V-Card, 2GIG of memory A 200 GIG SATA HD
a AMD 64bit 3200 procressor. And a new Saitek X45. I hope that will be enough to run this 4.0 patch. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sounds like a very awful system you now got there mate! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Are you really concerned or just showing off to the rest of us poor guys? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I am trusting that either the performance hit will not be too significant, or else Oleg will have options/suggested tweaks for us.

While there are folks getting into the newer technologies, I perceive many folks who are dedicated to the IL-2 series are holding off until closer to BOB release. It would be unforuntate if PF became even more difficult to run a lower machines until that time.

Maybe we can get some real detailed information about recommended system specs and how to customize/tweak the game in the readme. I know Maddox Games has provided some insight in the past releases, but generally such information often comes in bits and pieces from various guys in the community.

Looking forward to this addon. Sounds exciting as long as it plays well on my machine (which it will likely).

For those upgrading specifically for IL-2, please remember how taxing the game is on CPU usage. One needs the "best" of every aspect of the system to truly max everything out.

TactS!

D_River
03-19-2005, 07:08 PM
The Salmijarvi (http://www.pacific-fighters.com/ss/salmijarvi2.jpg)and the Murmanskport (http://www.pacific-fighters.com/ss/screen2-Murmanskport2.jpg)pics make me drool http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif
Would be awesome if these are in the new addon/patch whatever http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I spent almost 1200USD on a new PC at the end of the last year.
Only thing needed to max this out is an ati 800 256MB card.
+ maybe changing the 2x512MB to 2x1024MB "1024MB =a lot of cash!!!".
G-card would be a better alternative http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Jetbuff
03-19-2005, 10:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by REDHAWK_1:
I picked up a ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe MB... A ATI Radeon X800XL 256MB PCI Express V-Card <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Err.. doesn't that defeat the point? SLI is nVidia only at this time. If you still have the receipt you might wanna go back and turn it in for a 6800GT or 6800 Ultra.

cptgse
03-19-2005, 11:09 PM
Obviously, I've been out of the loop. What legal problem re: U.S. aircraft?

HotelBushranger
03-20-2005, 02:54 AM
I haven't really been into it, but I think the jist of it is Grumman won't allow 1C Maddox to include the Avenger, for reason I don't know/forget.

Good news though on the post! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

DONB3397
03-20-2005, 05:51 AM
Can you say, "Mossie?" Can you remember "Crosswinds?" Can you spell, "Happy?"

Thanks, Oleg. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Mulleteer
03-20-2005, 06:44 AM
Don't know about you guys, but I bet I would be willing to trade all new planes to realistic FM if given a hard choice http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Tvrdi
03-20-2005, 07:13 AM
I hope it would be even harder for newbies...I think it would be....hehe..no easy flying any more (particularly in certain planes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)...we are goin toward real simulator here..thats great news from Oleg http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

TomDoniphon
03-20-2005, 07:26 AM
Bearcat99 said "Lets wait for the dadblamed thing to be released before we start crying and moaning about what isnt in it."

I agree with his post, and what's more...I just love that he used the word "dadblamed:. Haven't heard that one for 30 years! That's a word that deserves to be resurrected.

TD

fabianfred
03-20-2005, 09:39 AM
new clouds, new planes, new cockpits, new objects, new maps, new FM..... is all this going to fit into 110mb.??

Hawggy
03-20-2005, 11:26 AM
Let's just hope it does fit! I'm sure happy to get another patch! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Aztek_Eagle
03-20-2005, 06:04 PM
i guess this will finaly put out many of us for good who has been strougeling wiht performance and our pokets

Charlie901
03-20-2005, 09:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TacticalYak3:
I'm presently upgrading to Maddox's recommended specifications of a P4 3 GHz or higher (3.06 P4 Northwood HT chip). I already have the desired 1 GB of RAM (Rambus), and will soon order (I think) a BFG GeForce 6800 GT OC video card.

While I realize you may not directly respond here Oleg, could your team possibly post any revision to your recommended system specs for the benefit of those presently upgrading their computers.

Best regards,
TactS! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I would hold off a little while till Processors break the 4 ghz mark. I already have a gig of ram and a BFG6800 GT card and my P4 3.06 is barely managing with IL2 series as it is, especially with AF and AA turned on!

Slammin_
03-20-2005, 10:26 PM
Charlie901, your system should not be struggling. You may need to do some system tweaking or something.

JG54_Arnie
03-21-2005, 01:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aztek_Eagle:
i guess this will finaly put out many of us for good who has been strougeling wiht performance and our pokets <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I guess its better to wait and see first. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

anarchy52
03-21-2005, 02:56 AM
So, today (monday) 4.0 gets released to public?
Or I misunderstood?

Mysticpuma2003
03-21-2005, 03:39 AM
Please Oleg, let us have the new clouds in this patch....Thanks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

Bearcat99
03-21-2005, 06:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TomDoniphon:
Bearcat99 said "Lets wait for the dadblamed thing to be released before we start crying and moaning about what isnt in it."

I agree with his post, and what's more...I just love that he used the word "dadblamed:. Haven't heard that one for 30 years! That's a word that deserves to be resurrected.

TD <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

First post http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif .... welcome aboard.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

avimimus
03-21-2005, 09:41 AM
"So what is so hard to understand about that? What is so confusing? He didnt mention specific planes that were to be in this patch.. no doubt for a reason.. which is HIS perogative.... He did show some objects..... he told us that the main reason why this patch is 4.0 and not 3.05 is because of the new FM he wants us to check out. What is so confusing? This is probably one of the main reasons why we havent gotten it yet.... plus for all we know he may be waiting for some kind of legal stuff from Gruman or some other money grabbing entity so he can give some of the more vocal dissatisfied members of the community something that he feels they deserve. We dont know. I dont know. I have no specific facts about anything other than what is posted here like you guys..... but I DO know that some of you guys are real pieces of work. It amazes me how so many of you expect 1C to operate around your expectations and your timetable..... instead of what is best for the many.. meaning the company and us. So we had to wait a bit longer..... BFD!!!! Anyone who cant have a good time with FB3.04m is just not trying. The patch is coming .... when we dont know exactly....... but it is coming and already it has more than anyone expected. I wasnt expecting a whole reworked FM.... Maybe this is his way of making up for something that was out of his control.... like I said I dont know.. but what I heard sounds GREAT... and what I already have is great. I have no doubt that whatever is coming in this patch... it will be a doozy and it will elevate the best WW2 combat flight simulator on the market even higher above any and all competition. Lets wait for the dadblamed thing to be released before we start crying and moaning about what isnt in it. "

Hear, Hear!
I agree. It is amazing how ingrateful some of the people here are. I remember when Oleg announced (out of the blue) that the FW-190 (one variant btw.) would be included in Il-2.
People were extremely excited and pleased.

Try getting your complaints heard or getting any kind of post-release support for CFS-3.
If they are more responsive or include more interesting veichles and additions years after it would have made sense to move on, for free. Then I will swallow my shirt.

Otherwise be patient. And no complaining about lack of American aircraft (there is more to the world) or against Olegs caracter or dedication to his fans.

Otherwise I will eat you! (proverbially) Rather than listen.

-Avimimus

TacticalYak3
03-21-2005, 09:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Charlie901:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TacticalYak3:
I'm presently upgrading to Maddox's recommended specifications of a P4 3 GHz or higher (3.06 P4 Northwood HT chip). I already have the desired 1 GB of RAM (Rambus), and will soon order (I think) a BFG GeForce 6800 GT OC video card.

While I realize you may not directly respond here Oleg, could your team possibly post any revision to your recommended system specs for the benefit of those presently upgrading their computers.

Best regards,
TactS! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I would hold off a little while till Processors break the 4 ghz mark. I already have a gig of ram and a BFG6800 GT card and my P4 3.06 is barely managing with IL2 series as it is, especially with AF and AA turned on! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for your advice. Unfortunately this is the highest CPU upgrade my Dell supports. Clearly this machine will need to be handed over to the kids when BOB is released next year. Ironically, in that same year the misses will strongly encourage me to purchase an incredible new system. But why do I always wake up screaming at this point in the dream? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Tvrdi
03-21-2005, 12:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Charlie901:
I would hold off a little while till Processors break the 4 ghz mark. I already have a gig of ram and a BFG6800 GT card and my P4 3.06 is barely managing with IL2 series as it is, especially with AF and AA turned on! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

hmm...I have P4 2.8, a gig of RAM and a Sapphire x700pro card and sim runs smoothly here..I think it would be ok, even with new FM with only slightly decrease in fps performance since im not on perfect settings.....

Miki40
03-21-2005, 04:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oleg_Maddox:
Hi all.

I was sick more than one week, howere the work was not stop http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

So from today (or Monday) we will begin to test 4.0 version. Yes 4.0, but not 3.05...
Simply because it deserve to name as new thing...

The main change - new general FM.
The description from readme:

V4.0 introduces the pre-BoB Flight Model (FM). In this add-on we are partially introducing FM from our next simulation (BOB) for worldwide test in our current engine. Flight model in the version 4.0 was already extensively tested by nearly 40 real pilots from around the world and we received very positive feedback.
It is likely that some people may have a problem in their first attempts to fly with the new flight model, especially with take-offs and landings when FM is set to €˜realistic€. However, once you understand the differences and get used to it, everything will fall into its place. We would like to point out, that the new FM will take more system resources to run, especially when many aircraft are in the air at the same time. It doesn€t matter if it is human or AI, because our AI pilots use the same FM!


------------


There will be several new positions of new Aircraft (3 of them AI), cockpit and new modifications of existed, many new ground objects (for both Pacific and Europe/Russian front), new maps for both Russian and Pacific theaters.

New campaign(s)

Also there are great number of small changes and fixes. Maybe not all, but most that to polis sim.

The size will be ~110 Mb for a Merged install and a bit smaller for PF only.

Thats all I like to tell for the current moment.
Please no questions and speculations. We are testing. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is TrackIR vector suported?

AFJ_Locust
03-21-2005, 10:02 PM
HOLD ME IM SCARED

MAYBE I WONT BE AN ACE ANYMORE WITH NEW FM http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

The-Lost-Wiggle
03-22-2005, 01:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AFJ_Locust:
HOLD ME IM SCARED

MAYBE I WONT BE AN ACE ANYMORE WITH NEW FM http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah heaven forbid you'd actually have to "fly" for your kills... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

corsairf4u
03-22-2005, 03:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BluesmanSF:
Thanks but I hope that my PC will still run it.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

I have 2,1Ghz Radeon 9200 and 512ram, currently PF runs pretty well on mid settings. Can I run the PF at all after the 4.0? Would it mean that I couln't play online anymore with my squad mates?

Please, post some minimum specs.. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>bluesman m8 ,i would dump the 9200 and get something more beefier ,,like a 9600 xt or 9800

corsairf4u
03-22-2005, 03:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Charlie901:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TacticalYak3:
I'm presently upgrading to Maddox's recommended specifications of a P4 3 GHz or higher (3.06 P4 Northwood HT chip). I already have the desired 1 GB of RAM (Rambus), and will soon order (I think) a BFG GeForce 6800 GT OC video card.

While I realize you may not directly respond here Oleg, could your team possibly post any revision to your recommended system specs for the benefit of those presently upgrading their computers.

Best regards,
TactS! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I would hold off a little while till Processors break the 4 ghz mark. I already have a gig of ram and a BFG6800 GT card and my P4 3.06 is barely managing with IL2 series as it is, especially with AF and AA turned on! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>901 ,,,ive only got a barton 2.5,,,1 gig ram and 9600 pro and il2 runs quite well in aa af modes in medium settings ,,are your drivers upto spec m8?

corsairf4u
03-22-2005, 04:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jetbuff:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by REDHAWK_1:
I picked up a ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe MB... A ATI Radeon X800XL 256MB PCI Express V-Card <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Err.. doesn't that defeat the point? SLI is nVidia only at this time. If you still have the receipt you might wanna go back and turn it in for a 6800GT or 6800 Ultra. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>i agree m8 i dont think youl ever get sli with ati cards for a while,,its an nvidia thaing

twistedimageta2
03-22-2005, 04:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by corsairf4u:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Charlie901:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TacticalYak3:
I'm presently upgrading to Maddox's recommended specifications of a P4 3 GHz or higher (3.06 P4 Northwood HT chip). I already have the desired 1 GB of RAM (Rambus), and will soon order (I think) a BFG GeForce 6800 GT OC video card.
While I realize you may not directly respond here Oleg, could your team possibly post any revision to your recommended system specs for the benefit of those presently upgrading their computers.

Best regards,
TactS! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I would hold off a little while till Processors break the 4 ghz mark. I already have a gig of ram and a BFG6800 GT card and my P4 3.06 is barely managing with IL2 series as it is, especially with AF and AA turned on! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>901 ,,,ive only got a barton 2.5,,,1 gig ram and 9600 pro and il2 runs quite well in aa af modes in medium settings ,,are your drivers upto spec m8? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am curious as to what services you have running if you have that kind of a setup and yet your system is still bogging down. My desktop RAM went out and of course it's RD-RIMM so it's going to cost me $500 for each GIG I have to put back in (going to just replace the motherboard when I have the $, but if anyone has any please drop me a line http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif ), so I am limited to running either my 900MHZ AMD Backup Desktop with 1GB SDRAM or my 1.4 Intel Laptop with 768MB RAM and a Radeon 9000. The Desktop doesn't like Aces too much as it freezes during gameplay so I havn't put PF on it yet. But my Laptop, it works Great with v3.04 PF and 2.04 FB. You should check out BlackViper.com and run his gaming setup, you'd be surprised at what it can do for your system!

Sincerely,

J.R. McKenney

avimimus
03-22-2005, 07:24 AM
I doubt the vector expansion will be supported.
This probably has to do with the code for head movements or something, but there have always been only two head positions for each aircraft.

Still, knowing Oleg, almost anythin is possible.

Like for instance a new FM based off of developments planned for BOB.

peteward
03-22-2005, 02:17 PM
Good news about the patch
just hope my system can cope
I run an XP2600+ 1Gig ram & a 6800GT graphics card

JungleGeorge061
03-22-2005, 05:45 PM
Operational V1's?
In DogFight ?
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

rcaf_tango
03-23-2005, 09:58 AM
Does anyone know the pc requirements for the new gaming engine? Seems like people are starting to panic.

http://www.rcaffb.com/zlink.jpg

nearmiss
03-23-2005, 01:32 PM
Looking at the updates it is great to see people figures hanging around the artillery.

First question comes to mind. Can you shoot those people?

Second question comes to mind. I'd like to see those artillery pieces inclined upward for longer firing trajectory.

It is so lame having to set up missions with artillery line of site on targets. World war artillery pieces were fired far behind the lines.

I'm sure this has something to do with the maps and elevations of the landscape, but still I'd like to be able to fire artillery at least 10KM.

As it is about 4KM is max with targets in line of site.

Anyway, it does add something to actually have artillery with people around it. The self firing guns was always "para psychotic" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif to me.

Thanks Oleg for the update that says something

carguy_
03-23-2005, 03:34 PM
Good news even if the patch is surprisingly small.Oh well only few new planes I guess.
Waiting patiently.
Thank you for info.http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

tascaso
03-23-2005, 05:50 PM
Well well...this is good news. We get to have a taste of what BOB will be like and the offline play will be a hoot. As far as additional flyables I am really over that...the future is BOB and its expansions. I really do not need more planes to fly as I only fly two or three at the most. I know you guys wanna fly them all but to become even semi-proficient and survive online DF or BW you have to spend a lot of time in-type. To hard to jump around from one plane to the next.

My two cents.

123_Tony_123VEF

TheGozr
03-24-2005, 12:38 PM
tascaso

agree

FA_Whisky
03-25-2005, 04:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> HOLD ME IM SCARED

MAYBE I WONT BE AN ACE ANYMORE WITH NEW FM
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There there, -=FA=- will teach you to be an ace again.

Krt_Bong
03-25-2005, 01:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by twistedimageta2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by corsairf4u:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Charlie901:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TacticalYak3:
I'm presently upgrading to Maddox's recommended specifications of a P4 3 GHz or higher (3.06 P4 Northwood HT chip). I already have the desired 1 GB of RAM (Rambus), and will soon order (I think) a BFG GeForce 6800 GT OC video card.
While I realize you may not directly respond here Oleg, could your team possibly post any revision to your recommended system specs for the benefit of those presently upgrading their computers.

Best regards,
TactS! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I would hold off a little while till Processors break the 4 ghz mark. I already have a gig of ram and a BFG6800 GT card and my P4 3.06 is barely managing with IL2 series as it is, especially with AF and AA turned on! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>901 ,,,ive only got a barton 2.5,,,1 gig ram and 9600 pro and il2 runs quite well in aa af modes in medium settings ,,are your drivers upto spec m8? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am curious as to what services you have running if you have that kind of a setup and yet your system is still bogging down. My desktop RAM went out and of course it's RD-RIMM so it's going to cost me $500 for each GIG I have to put back in (going to just replace the motherboard when I have the $, but if anyone has any please drop me a line http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif ), so I am limited to running either my 900MHZ AMD Backup Desktop with 1GB SDRAM or my 1.4 Intel Laptop with 768MB RAM and a Radeon 9000. The Desktop doesn't like Aces too much as it freezes during gameplay so I havn't put PF on it yet. But my Laptop, it works Great with v3.04 PF and 2.04 FB. You should check out BlackViper.com and run his gaming setup, you'd be surprised at what it can do for your system!

Sincerely,

J.R. McKenney <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'm running a Soyo KT600 Black Dragon Motherboard with AMD2800 socket A
512mb pc2700 DDR (thats right only a half a Gig), Chaintech FX5700LE with 3DGuru 75.90 drivers coolbits2, Creative Live! 5.1
I usually run perfect mode but sometime reduce lighting effects to normal or medium, I get anywhere from 35-60 fps but get occasional stutters and kicks from server when the room has 40 people or more. My point is if I can do this well with what I got, a PC with much more would have to scream. I give credit to Luckyboy's Guide at WWW.Airwarfare.Com (http://WWW.Airwarfare.Com) because I did just about everything he suggested and my performance went up considerably

Heinz_Schuss
03-26-2005, 02:42 PM
35 - 60 fps! Just as a counterpoint, I have a P3 - 600MHz with 320Mb RAM and a 32Mb SiS card. I run in 800x600-16bit mode with graphics at medium or low across the board. I get between 5 and 6 fps online vs 3 opponents. Without the cockpit it gets up to between 10 and 11 fps which I regard as wonderful (don't laugh). I have been known to get kills. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Maybe this will sweeten the pot a bit. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

McMurk
03-26-2005, 03:01 PM
I'm sure this has something to do with the maps and elevations of the landscape, but still I'd like to be able to fire artillery at least 10KM

Very interesting, nice thinking Miss Near. Scottish image in plaid http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Maybe you could fly a spotter plane to near the target and type in +5 -5 degrees and so on in the RangeCalculation analogue airborne comms system computer via those er, little single-pole switches http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif and the Arty-Parser could elevate or depress the field piece accordingly. Would be a new player Role. In BoB I mean http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Mington

Brunner_pl
03-29-2005, 04:25 AM
Hello

Can anybody tell me, what system requirements are foreseen for the future Bob? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

wayno7777
03-29-2005, 11:42 PM
Think dual core processors. 4 Gigs of RAM. OC 6800 Ultras SLI. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

Brunner_pl
03-30-2005, 04:37 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif I'm asking seriously... It...it...is a kind of nightmare http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

mortoma
03-30-2005, 07:32 PM
I will have to be happy with the new planes only and continue to fly with the current and more simple FM. I'm both excited and a tad disappointed at the same time. But since I fly offline mostly, and think the current FM is sufficient to have some fun, I'll be ok.

But jeesh, I only have an Athlon XP-2100 and I am in financial shambles, can't buy anything newer. Overall though, I should be happy and once I get my money woes past me, I'll someday buy a new rig. I will try the new FMs in FMB with only one plane flying, my rig should be able to handle that. I won't be able to resist to at least try flying all planes by themselves to test the new FMs.

As it is, my rig is pushed to the limit at 1024x768 graphics and 2x-2x!!! Especially since PF came out and there is much ground fire going on. Ship AAA bring my system to it's knees!!!!

Since it sounds like the curent FM will still be available, I look at the whole thing as not really losing anything. Just gaining something I won't be able to fully appreciate for a while.
I may also try a scenario with one enemy, with no flak and on a small map such as Smolensk or Lvov. Maybe my rig will be able to handle a two plane dogfight?? I plan to find out. Won't hurt to try. Am I done rambling yet??

LEXX_Luthor
03-30-2005, 10:42 PM
I am down near the bottom with my ATI~9200 and am loving it. With my old Athalon 1700+ and 256MB SDRAM, I could do 32 QMB planes, so no, the New FM won't cripple you mortoma. Ships will cripple you, like they still cripple me now with Semperon 3100+ and 1GB DDR RAM. You can change Rate of Fire in FMB missions. Ah yes, FMB can increase game playability. Learn it. Anyway mortoma, you are supposed to have left FB...or was that PF...or BoB...or FBoB, mmm we forgot. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

----------------------------



tascaso:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I really do not need more planes to fly as I only fly two or three at the most. I know you guys wanna fly them all but to become even semi-proficient and survive online DF or BW you have to spend a lot of time in-type. To hard to jump around from one plane to the next. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
TheGozr:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>tascaso

agree <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Do the Gozer and the Taco agree on the correct Internet Dogfight Planes to be used to score their internet Brownie Points with? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


These two examples of community Selfishness, and internet dogfighters wanting New Cockpits modded only for their most popular Internet Dogfight Planes, are why Oleg will (1) be forced to charge online Pay-to-Play or (2) be forced to offer deeper content for offline players who fund the internet Dogfight gaming development. Either path Oleg takes, the (overall) community wins--if Oleg does it right.

For the real flight simmers out there:: We know that nobody here flies ALL the planes, but ALL the planes here are flown by the community. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Atomic_Marten
04-06-2005, 06:35 PM
Excellent news.

XyZspineZyX
04-08-2005, 09:52 AM
Are there any news now?
Oh, and thanks, too! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
I hope the J2M will be flyable! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Greetz

Pihi
04-08-2005, 11:16 PM
Hello all!
This new FM sounds very good, this is what i have waiting for many years....

I wonder that here is quite many people demanding something, but so few can remind that these add-ons are free patches, and if we do not pay anything, we have no rights to demand anything...

Personally i am ready to BUY these add-ons.... So be quet and happy if you get something goodies for free http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

tank_hunter
04-11-2005, 11:07 PM
Great. Well, I am not going to anticipate it being a good thing.

wiseguy73
04-12-2005, 12:11 PM
Hello there Oleg, I know that you recieve tons of emails and forums form people about one think or another. As this is my opinion and everyone has diff. opinions abou the game Pacific Fighters. I have enjoyed your game for quite some time but the time has come to put this game on the shelf and let it collect dust. AS the pathes become more and more it seems German plays become as we say a piece of S#$@. I fly almost every day and in the evening and its just plain sucks. I only hope that this patch that you call 4.0 will be worth my download time and install time or its time to find another game. I know that your market is the US but come on you dont have to make the planes kick our butt. Like I say this is my persaneal opinion and I know the people that fly US planes say the same about the German planes. Just give us or moneys worth with real flight models from both side of the playing fields. Always flying and happy -S-

tenacioustanaka
04-14-2005, 02:57 AM
Before I started reading this thread I was not very concerned about my chances running BOB efficiently. Now, with all the talk of dual core processors and the like I think it may be time to pay more attention to this issue. My greatest question is if the first generation 64 bit processors will do the trick?

AMD FX-53 2.4 GHz (64bit)
ATI X800 Pro
1 gig Kingston PC2700 DDR333
Asus A8V MoBo
twin Seagate 40G SATA Drives Raid 0
Screw the sound card I use a Plantronics DSP 500

Fliegeroffizier
04-14-2005, 04:00 PM
Are any answers posted here from Ic/Oleg?

My Request: Could Oleg post the specs for which he is designing BofB? I don't think he would be revealing anything to his competitors by telling us.

For example, will he be designing to incorporate any/all of the following:

Nvidia 6800 512Mb graphics cards...

AMD Dual-core cpu(like the new AMD64 X2 4800+)...

SLI (dual graphics cards)...

64bit technology in general...

I'm building a new Rig Primarily for BofB, but there is no sense in OVERkilling by buying the very newest components/technology if Oleg is not designing BofB to take advantage of same.

Jabberwocky_
04-15-2005, 08:10 AM
I don't understand how anybody could even think about whether or not their actual system will be up to snuff for BoB. The game is no less than 2 years away (2007) from being released, at its EARLIEST. And that's directly from a post from Oleg on these forums.

So basically, no, your system WON'T be up to snuff. Get ready for an upgrade in 2007, not now. And don't bother thinking about what you're going to upgrade to, since it hasn't been engineered yet. You're WAY too early to be thinking about this.

Cheers,

Jabberwocky

Atomic_Marten
04-15-2005, 06:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jabberwocky_:
I don't understand how anybody could even think about whether or not their actual system will be up to snuff for BoB. The game is no less than 2 years away (2007) from being released, at its EARLIEST. And that's directly from a post from Oleg on these forums.

So basically, no, your system WON'T be up to snuff. Get ready for an upgrade in 2007, not now. And don't bother thinking about what you're going to upgrade to, since it hasn't been engineered yet. You're WAY too early to be thinking about this.

Cheers,

Jabberwocky <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

We are lucky. 2007 isn't *that* near, but it isn't bad idea to start saving.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

tsisqua
04-16-2005, 09:16 AM
Tsisqua's prediction:

We will see BoB on the shelves just before Christmas, 2005.

If 1C only released one title every three years they would all starve.

Tsisqua

jamesdietz
04-16-2005, 03:34 PM
Can't wait.....thanks for the update........

Atomic_Marten
04-18-2005, 12:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tsisqua:
Tsisqua's prediction:

We will see BoB on the shelves just before Christmas, 2005.

If 1C only released one title every three years they would all starve.

Tsisqua <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There's certainly truth in your thoughts.. mine also goes that way http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

VVS-Manuc
05-03-2005, 07:18 AM
I really hope that the new 4.0 flight model is not a joke as the so called "complex engine management"

rookie66
05-17-2005, 07:12 PM
Its not a joke, its not perfect, but its a big step forward.
(only some rumors i hear) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

JPFarrell
05-22-2005, 06:03 PM
To Mr Maddox

I am familiar with IL-2 Sturmovik and it's sequel Forgotten Battles. Last week I came across Pacific Fighters and bought it. They are all exactly what I look for in a flight simulator and I was thrilled to have them in my collection. They are masterpieces!

Then I bought Combat Flight Simulator 3 'Battle for Europe'. I have never encountered such vomit from a company that were always accomplished in making flight simulators. I was deeply disappointed that I could not find a Combat Simulator based upon WW2 Europe: Battleof Britain, North Africa, Mediterreanaen, Battle of the Atlantic, Battle over Europe, etc, that matches the quality of what you have created about the war in the Pacific and the Eastern Front.

I am ignorant of any other products you have worked on, so forgive me.

If you are willing to do this, and have not already done or set out to do this, then I propose that you create Combat Simulators of the same standard as those you have already created for the campaignss that I have listed above and more. I would like you to create seperate simulators for all major air wars that took place in and around the European theater as all other developers have so far proved themselves incapable of doing this.

You and your development company have made the best flight simulators to date. I hope it is only the begining of the documentation of the whole of World War 2 air combat worldwide.

I trust you will consider this preposal by an eager customer who knows a good thing when he sees it. Your customers know best!

I thank you in advance.

Yours sincerely
Joseph Quinnj.quinn1@nuigalway.ie

Slapp
05-24-2005, 11:15 PM
Dear Mr Maddox

Could you please grow me some hair for my bald patch

Many thanks


S!ap

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Philipscdrw
05-30-2005, 02:12 AM
Can't you just transplant some other hair from... other regions... to your head? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

I'm appalled at this thread. There are so many whining, ungrateful, narrow-minded idiots on this board. Here's some news: a 'patch' is something a developer does once or twice, after exposing their new game to the public, to fix a dozen of the most problematic bugs. There might occasionally be a new level or minor feature, but not often. Then they move on to building new stuff for the expansion pack, and when that's released they move on to the next generation of the game.

Oleg is doing himself a disservice by calling his free expansion packs 'patches'. How much free stuff has he given us over the last 4 years? None of us are entitled to anything more than what is written on the box sleeve and the website features list. Yet people are complaining that the free gift they're getting isn't the free gift they wanted, or that they wanted a lot more free gifts than they received...

Remember, the only part of the patch that we're entitled to is the Betty cockpit (which I think is six month's overdue, because it is on the box sleeve...).

VF_12_Bostimax
05-31-2005, 10:44 AM
If the cockpit is like the pics of the real thing-this bird will be ugly-wondering how people are goining to like the gun stations...THe IJA/IJN were not known for their comfy seats or spacious gunner stations.

OldMan____
05-31-2005, 01:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tsisqua:
Tsisqua's prediction:

We will see BoB on the shelves just before Christmas, 2005.

If 1C only released one title every three years they would all starve.

Tsisqua </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And if they launch a new one each year they would soon get without anything to do and would starve too. Anyway.. is IMPOSSIBLE to make sucha game in one year. Beleive me when I say that... You wont see any Triple A games with evelpment time &lt; 2 years.. and absolutely most of them get at least 3 years to develop.

Valjack
06-06-2005, 03:08 AM
Thanks for this patch, really cool,lot of work i'm sure... but could you please confirm the rumors about some later patch adding more Flyable aircraft ??
Not just to bother you but thinking about new missions/scenarios/campaigns to build, i really would like if we can still expect some "key" planes like JU-88 or Mosquito ???

I repeat: i'm not crying for it, just want to know what to expect (or not) for future personnal projects...

Sterf21
06-09-2005, 05:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Valjack:
Thanks for this patch, really cool,lot of work i'm sure... but could you please confirm the rumors about some later patch adding more Flyable aircraft ??
Not just to bother you but thinking about new missions/scenarios/campaigns to build, i really would like if we can still expect some "key" planes like JU-88 or Mosquito ???

I repeat: i'm not crying for it, just want to know what to expect (or not) for future personnal projects... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
dude, the patch isnt even OUT yet

deathping---
07-09-2005, 01:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JPFarrell:
To Mr Maddox

I am familiar with IL-2 Sturmovik and it's sequel Forgotten Battles. Last week I came across Pacific Fighters and bought it. They are all exactly what I look for in a flight simulator and I was thrilled to have them in my collection. They are masterpieces!

Then I bought Combat Flight Simulator 3 'Battle for Europe'. I have never encountered such vomit from a company that were always accomplished in making flight simulators. I was deeply disappointed that I could not find a Combat Simulator based upon WW2 Europe: Battleof Britain, North Africa, Mediterreanaen, Battle of the Atlantic, Battle over Europe, etc, that matches the quality of what you have created about the war in the Pacific and the Eastern Front.

I am ignorant of any other products you have worked on, so forgive me.

If you are willing to do this, and have not already done or set out to do this, then I propose that you create Combat Simulators of the same standard as those you have already created for the campaignss that I have listed above and more. I would like you to create seperate simulators for all major air wars that took place in and around the European theater as all other developers have so far proved themselves incapable of doing this.

You and your development company have made the best flight simulators to date. I hope it is only the begining of the documentation of the whole of World War 2 air combat worldwide.

I trust you will consider this preposal by an eager customer who knows a good thing when he sees it. Your customers know best!

I thank you in advance.

Yours sincerely
Joseph Quinnj.quinn1@nuigalway.ie </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you just came across all this stuff last week, you must not know all that much about sims or enough to call cfs3 "vomit" . Probably just a 1c fanboy.

I mean seriously, cfs3 is a complex and well-constructed sim, with a couple of exdellent addons coming out. OFF and MAW.

What qualifies you to call it vomit? Must work for the company.

richunix
08-08-2005, 07:15 PM
Oleg,

This is not a "attack" your person. These comments are directed to your game design. Once again we see "IF" senerio with the German plane set. This is next to the poorest example od "wannbe" flying I have ever seen. If the real German plane few as half as good in .....well a different story. You need to read the APG report concerning firing the 108/ and 20mm guns. In short you have given ever advantage to the German, but then I was told you favored the German Aircraft. Sorry you get a D- in flying, but a A+ in graphics.

Richunix

aipilotmarkone
08-10-2005, 06:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by deathping---:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JPFarrell:
To Mr Maddox
I am familiar with IL-2 Sturmovik and it's ...
...
Yours sincerely
Joseph Quinn
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you just came across all this stuff last week, you must not know all that much about sims or enough to call cfs3 "vomit" . Probably just a 1c fanboy.

I mean seriously, cfs3 is a complex and well-constructed sim, with a couple of exdellent addons coming out. OFF and MAW.

What qualifies you to call it vomit? Must work for the company. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

deathping---,
Please tell me what are OFF and MAW. The only $ add-on I got for CFS3 was Firepower.

robbruce1
08-12-2005, 05:30 PM
OFF & MAW are yet to be released. They are both freeware.

OFF is 'Over Flanders Fields' a WW1 addon for CFS3 hopefully to be released in December 2005.
http://off.oldbrowndog.net/index.htm

MAW is 'Mediterranian Air War' http://www.medairwar.com/ release date TBA

aipilotmarkone
08-15-2005, 05:12 PM
Thanks for the CFS3 info, robbruce1.
JPFarrell here are few sites you might visit
http://www.avhistory.org/
http://www.combatfs.com/
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/
http://www.cfcforums.com/sohforums/vbindex.php
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/index.php?loc=downloads&pag...adName=Winding%20Man (http://www.sim-outhouse.com/index.php?loc=downloads&amp;page=downloads&amp;FileUploadN ame=Winding%20Man)

WindingMan
08-16-2005, 07:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JPFarrell:
Then I bought Combat Flight Simulator 3 'Battle for Europe'. I have never encountered such vomit from a company that were always accomplished in making flight simulators. Joseph Quinnj.quinn1@nuigalway.ie </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I can fully understand statements like this about CFS3 - sadly it was released unfinished and too soon - it demanded far better CPU/GPU power than what was remotely available at the time of it's release.

Thus at the time, to make it run smoothly the detail sliders had to be reduced right down to a point where it looked worse than CFS1 - the rest is history - CFS3 died.

IMO it actually looked "****e" never mind like vomit!

Now I think slightly differently about it - with good hardware and refinements by many third party freeware devs it shines and has a Graphics engine that still has long legs and can render highly detailed environs that will challenge modern offerings in many respects...

WM