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TheChronicler
12-28-2009, 01:52 PM
It has been said that there is three pieces of Eden, we know they are the Apple, Staff and Sword. But... If anyone was to look through history and question items from Eden, you would note the following plus two more. The Shield and The Cloak.

Now the apple has appeared in a few stories throughout time, so has the staff, you only havwe to look at alot of movies that were maid in the past that described the staff.

The sword im sure Excalibar was said to be the sword that came from Eden but i would have to research that. If this is the case then the fate of the 3rd game is surely going to be Medievil Britian... During the period of King Arther. Now think about it, we couldnt possibly start the game in the 13th centry when enzo appeared in the future of that event. What happend to the sword? But my theory is this, the story starts with King Arthure but you end up several generations later trying to track down his tomb and finding the sword. Now here is the interesting thing, we could initially set this during world war 2 with hitler putting alot of money in occult it would make sense that he probably has some connection to the knights templar and looking for the sword.

But im being distracted from my point, there are two things are appear throughout time and they have appeared in some of the in-game puzzles that unlocked the truth... Like the picture of britiania who sant on her thrown with the staff and the apple. But not to mention the Sheild.

Infact you look at several pictures not only do you see all three, the sword, the staff and the apple. you also see the shields and cloaks.

search history and you will see what i mean.

Zerban_da_Great
12-28-2009, 02:11 PM
Yeah... there are at least 32 or something. Because the Sword is Piece #20-something and the Shroud is Piece #32 I think. Plus there were all those dots on the map at the end of AC1 - there were WAY more than five.

Brett_Master5
12-28-2009, 02:48 PM
There's at least 34 because the staff is Piece of Eden 34.

There's at least 4 apples, one sword, one shroud, and the papal staff. Others are yet to be named.

TheChronicler
12-28-2009, 02:48 PM
I dont know about 32, but forshore there are 5 you can count.

Brett_Master5
12-28-2009, 03:11 PM
There wouldn't be a #34 if there were only 5 Pieces of Eden chronicled by the Templars.

CannedBullets
12-28-2009, 04:08 PM
Maybe Ezio and Altair wore the cloak that was the piece of Eden.

Captain Tomatoz
12-28-2009, 04:51 PM
(T) = A Templar/worked with Templars (A) = Assassin/Worked With Assassins (!)= Confirmed Assassinated by the Assassins

01: The First Apple: Designed to create illusions and control men's minds; can be used in conjunction with the Staff.
Status: Most likely destroyed, but no confirmation.
Owners: Those Who Came Before, Adam(A)/Eve(A), Abel(A), Cain(T), Al Mualim(T)(!), Altair(A), Ezio(A), Unknown, Napoleon, Unknown, Houdini, Templars.

02: The Second Apple: Designed to create illusions and control men's minds; can be used in conjunction with the Staff.
Status: Caught in an explosive satellite malfunction. Most likely survived, but impossible to retrieve in the darkness of space; see the AC1 emails.

Owners: Those Who Came Before, Unknown, Queen "Bloody" Mary I of England(T)(!), Queen Elizabeth I of England, Unknown, Gandhi, Templars.

03: The Third Apple: Designed to create illusions and control men's minds; can be used in conjunction with the Staff.
Status: Unknown
Owners: Those Who Came Before, George Washington, Franklin D. Roosevelt, John F. Kennedy, Lyndon B. Johnson(T)

04: The Fourth Apple: Designed to create illusions and control men's minds; can be used in conjunction with the Staff. Possibly helped in the development of weapons and technology throughout the centuries.
Status: Unknown
Owners: Those Who Came Before, "The Invention of Gunpowder", Nikola Tesla(A), Thomas Edison(T), Henry Ford(T), Adolf Hitler(T)(!), Assassins.

05: The Fifth Apple: Designed to create illusions and control men's minds; can be used in conjunction with the Staff.
Status: Unknown
Owners: Those Who Came Before, NASA(T).

25: The Sword: Designed to possibly cut through anything and block any attack. It also probably "passed" along an immense knowledge of combat tactics to the wielder, allowing them to take on entire armies. It's said that Attila the Hun's sword had an attack called the "Scourge of Mars". It was so terrifying that none dared to speak of the details...if there were any that survived it, that is. So it's also possible that with a single stroke, it can carve down hundreds of men.
Status: Unknown
Owners: Those Who Came Before, Perseus, Alexander the Great(T)(!), Attila the Hun(T), King Arthur, Sigurd, Genghis Kahn(T)(!), Joan of Arc, Templars.

34: The Staff: Designed to control men's minds and bodies; it has a spot in the headpiece where an Apple of Eden can placed to enhance the mind control powers.
Status: Destroyed in the Tunguska Incident.
Owners: Those Who Came Before, Egyptian Pharaohs, Moses, Alexander the Great(T)(!), John the Baptist, Jesus, Saint Peter, Rodrigo Borgia(T), Ezio(A), Unknown, Czar Nicholas II, Rasputin(T)(!).

66: The Shroud: Unknown, possibly allowed the resurrection of the dead, able to heal any ailment. The Templars were behind the crucifixion of Christ, allowing them to steal the artifact, although his disciples may have used it to heal Jesus before the Templars stole it. The Shroud appears to be red in color, with a "golden layer" woven on the inside, most likely the golden layer is the "technological part" of the artifact. Alta´r mentions a Golden Fleece in a codex page concerning his set of armor, suggesting he had woven it into his armor. This could very well be possible, as he had acces to the locations of the Pieces of Eden.
Status: Unknown
Owners: Those Who Came Before, Joseph, David, Jesus, Templars.

http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Piece_of_Eden

BAMB0
12-28-2009, 05:14 PM
I might have missed it but where were we told the number of these pieces of eden?

Assassin_M
12-29-2009, 02:47 AM
Originally posted by BAMB0:
I might have missed it but where were we told the number of these pieces of eden?

After Altair defeats AlMualim the Piece of Eden shows a Hologram that shows all the locations of other pieces of eden marked as small dots

UBOSOFT-Gamer
12-29-2009, 06:51 AM
Or the codex map
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/assassinscreed/images/8/8d/Codexmap.jpg

mikeh1294
12-29-2009, 07:16 AM
The small dots on the codex map are Pieces of Eden, and the large ones are Vaults. Here is that map from ACI.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j309/mikeh21_2006/mapofPoE.png

KEY:
1) Scotland
2) South England
3) France/Spain
4) West coast of Africa (Could be Canary Islands or just off Cape Verde)
5) Morocco
5) Sierra Leone or Guinea
7) Mali or Niger
8) Kenya or Tanzania
9) Egypt
10) Iraq, Jordan Or Saudi Arabia
11) Romania or Ukraine
12) Ukraine or Russia
13) Russia
14) Iran
15) India

BAMB0
12-29-2009, 08:49 AM
I know that there are many pieces of eden. But in that wiki page posted by Tony the pieces of eden are given specific numbers, ie. 25 - Sword, 34 - Staff and 66 - Shroud.

Were we ever given these specific numbers for them or are people just assigning random *** numbers to em?

Avl521
12-29-2009, 01:23 PM
also remember the holy grail is mentioned, though not confirmed as a possible PoE.
I also recall the crystal skulls being mentioned.
if so we have 5 apples, a staff, a sword, a shroud, and maybe the grail and 13 skulls... I think there were 13 skulls not sure though

Ringquelle
12-29-2009, 04:02 PM
Perhaps there originally were 66 pieces, but of only a few of them the 'current' location is known.

Another possibility is that the others have been destroyed.

TheChronicler
12-31-2009, 10:49 AM
So we can denote that there may be 66 pieces and which means we will get 66 games LOL each chronicling each piece.

But there is no mention of the shield Oh thought a 6th piece could possibly be the Crown.

Avl521
12-31-2009, 11:53 AM
there are many pieces, only a few have been revealed, 5 apples, a sword, a staff, a shroud.
The apples the sword, the staff and the shroud were given numbers in the glyph puzzles in ACII.
the Holy grail is mentioned but it's not confirmed as a PoE.
Almost everything related to mythological artifacts of great powers or importance could be a PoE.
We have rumored or hinted:

These artifacts are based on the locations given in Assassin's Creed, and the clues and hints found in all the games.

The Holy Grail: Although the Templars doubt its existence as a Biblical artifact, it could prove to be real. Possible Functions: Grants eternal life, among other things. Possible owners: Jesus.
The Crystal Skulls: Quartz skulls found in Ancient Temples. Telepathic Communication. Currently possessed by the Templars, possibly found near the Nazca Lines. There are more than two, although the number is unknown at this time, but it's possible there could be at least 13.
The "Philadelphia Experiment" artifact: Time travel, said to have been lost in the failed experiment. According to reports, a Navy destroyer ship disappeared for a few minutes, supposedly having traveled to the future. When it reappeared and was searched, most of the men were gone or they were there but dead, with pieces of their bodies melted into the metal of the ship. According to the email in the first AC, it was locked away in a safe location, and curiously, on the Codex map it shows a dot in the middle of the Nevada desert...in Area 51?
The Golden Fleece: A seemingly weightless and indestructible piece of armor or cloak. In his Codex, Altair speculates that it could have truly existed and was actually made of a unique metal compound he had discovered how to create using knowledge contained within the Apple. Shortly after creating his set of armour with the metal, Altair destroyed anything that could lead to its discovery or creation, fearing the knowledge could one day fall into the hands of the Templars. Possible Owners: Jason of the Argonauts
The Spear of Destiny or Holy Lance: Said to protect its user from death, but causes instant death when lost. Also it's possible that when thrown it can never miss it's target and can't be stopped in mid-flight. Supposedly pierced the side of Christ at his crucifixion, although apochryphally the man who pierced Christ was said to live forever, until he found out and killed himself with the spear. Possible Owners: Longinus, Constantine, Charlemagne and other Holy Roman Emperors
The Philosopher's Stone: Turn any substance into pure gold. Possibly what started the gold rush in Coloma, California.
that's from the AC wikia... not sure if it's completely believable but... I thought I'd post it just in case.

Fudz4
12-31-2009, 02:48 PM
Remmember more were added through time becuase of things such as the Apple being damaged and turned into shroud.

agentofwraith
12-31-2009, 03:25 PM
***SPOILER***In Altair's Chronicles, a story that precedes the first Creed, Al-Mualim tasks Altair to retrieve an artifact known as the Chalice. Well, at the end of the story Altair finds out that the chalice is actually a woman, "Adha", Altair's first true love. Well, before he sets out to seek this "Chalice", Al-Mualim mentions that it is a sacred object that if sided with Saracens or Crusaders could actually end the third Crusade. Well, I am confused. Are the Chalice and The Holy Grail the same or, are they 2 different stories all together? Because, we do know what happened when Altair finally catches up to rescue Adha.

caswallawn_2k7
12-31-2009, 03:41 PM
they could be any number of things as over time multiple items have been seen as mythical and powerful, besides the holy grail another that is looked for from the time of Jesus is the spear that was used to stab him while he was on the cross. (Holy Lance)

even if they keep with history a lot of these supposed historic (mythological) items have been linked to quite a few events in history so they could have loads of them.

as for the person asking if people are just assigning random numbers to these they are numbers given in the puzzles left by subject 16, if you play through it every piece is given a number it actually even list's apples with different numbers, as each puzzle seems to follow a single piece of eden on a time line. (for example the staff and the sword was held by all the people in the pictures that make up the correct answer)

galenwolf
12-31-2009, 04:28 PM
Originally posted by Avl521:
there are many pieces, only a few have been revealed, 5 apples, a sword, a staff, a shroud.
The apples the sword, the staff and the shroud were given numbers in the glyph puzzles in ACII.
the Holy grail is mentioned but it's not confirmed as a PoE.
Almost everything related to mythological artifacts of great powers or importance could be a PoE.
We have rumored or hinted:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">These artifacts are based on the locations given in Assassin's Creed, and the clues and hints found in all the games.

The Holy Grail: Although the Templars doubt its existence as a Biblical artifact, it could prove to be real. Possible Functions: Grants eternal life, among other things. Possible owners: Jesus.
The Crystal Skulls: Quartz skulls found in Ancient Temples. Telepathic Communication. Currently possessed by the Templars, possibly found near the Nazca Lines. There are more than two, although the number is unknown at this time, but it's possible there could be at least 13.
The "Philadelphia Experiment" artifact: Time travel, said to have been lost in the failed experiment. According to reports, a Navy destroyer ship disappeared for a few minutes, supposedly having traveled to the future. When it reappeared and was searched, most of the men were gone or they were there but dead, with pieces of their bodies melted into the metal of the ship. According to the email in the first AC, it was locked away in a safe location, and curiously, on the Codex map it shows a dot in the middle of the Nevada desert...in Area 51?
The Golden Fleece: A seemingly weightless and indestructible piece of armor or cloak. In his Codex, Altair speculates that it could have truly existed and was actually made of a unique metal compound he had discovered how to create using knowledge contained within the Apple. Shortly after creating his set of armour with the metal, Altair destroyed anything that could lead to its discovery or creation, fearing the knowledge could one day fall into the hands of the Templars. Possible Owners: Jason of the Argonauts
The Spear of Destiny or Holy Lance: Said to protect its user from death, but causes instant death when lost. Also it's possible that when thrown it can never miss it's target and can't be stopped in mid-flight. Supposedly pierced the side of Christ at his crucifixion, although apochryphally the man who pierced Christ was said to live forever, until he found out and killed himself with the spear. Possible Owners: Longinus, Constantine, Charlemagne and other Holy Roman Emperors
The Philosopher's Stone: Turn any substance into pure gold. Possibly what started the gold rush in Coloma, California.
that's from the AC wikia... not sure if it's completely believable but... I thought I'd post it just in case. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Philadelphia Experiment" - could be that Desmond could use that to visit temples now under the sea or inaccessible to get them active in the past, or go visit his ancestors. Hmmm Desmond and Ezio fighting side by side....

Unclaimed_Legac
12-31-2009, 05:07 PM
quote:

***SPOILER***In Altair's Chronicles, a story that precedes the first Creed, Al-Mualim tasks Altair to retrieve an artifact known as the Chalice. Well, at the end of the story Altair finds out that the chalice is actually a woman, "Adha", Altair's first true love. Well, before he sets out to seek this "Chalice", Al-Mualim mentions that it is a sacred object that if sided with Saracens or Crusaders could actually end the third Crusade. Well, I am confused. Are the Chalice and The Holy Grail the same or, are they 2 different stories all together? Because, we do know what happened when Altair finally catches up to rescue Adha.



hehe this reminds me greatly from the da vinci code when they explain the holy grail/chalice is a women and not an item http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif

DRAGON117op
01-14-2010, 09:08 PM
Originally posted by Tony6593:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">(T) = A Templar/worked with Templars (A) = Assassin/Worked With Assassins (!)= Confirmed Assassinated by the Assassins

01: The First Apple: Designed to create illusions and control men's minds; can be used in conjunction with the Staff.
Status: Most likely destroyed, but no confirmation.
Owners: Those Who Came Before, Adam(A)/Eve(A), Abel(A), Cain(T), Al Mualim(T)(!), Altair(A), Ezio(A), Unknown, Napoleon, Unknown, Houdini, Templars.

02: The Second Apple: Designed to create illusions and control men's minds; can be used in conjunction with the Staff.
Status: Caught in an explosive satellite malfunction. Most likely survived, but impossible to retrieve in the darkness of space; see the AC1 emails.

Owners: Those Who Came Before, Unknown, Queen "Bloody" Mary I of England(T)(!), Queen Elizabeth I of England, Unknown, Gandhi, Templars.

03: The Third Apple: Designed to create illusions and control men's minds; can be used in conjunction with the Staff.
Status: Unknown
Owners: Those Who Came Before, George Washington, Franklin D. Roosevelt, John F. Kennedy, Lyndon B. Johnson(T)

04: The Fourth Apple: Designed to create illusions and control men's minds; can be used in conjunction with the Staff. Possibly helped in the development of weapons and technology throughout the centuries.
Status: Unknown
Owners: Those Who Came Before, "The Invention of Gunpowder", Nikola Tesla(A), Thomas Edison(T), Henry Ford(T), Adolf Hitler(T)(!), Assassins.

05: The Fifth Apple: Designed to create illusions and control men's minds; can be used in conjunction with the Staff.
Status: Unknown
Owners: Those Who Came Before, NASA(T).

25: The Sword: Designed to possibly cut through anything and block any attack. It also probably "passed" along an immense knowledge of combat tactics to the wielder, allowing them to take on entire armies. It's said that Attila the Hun's sword had an attack called the "Scourge of Mars". It was so terrifying that none dared to speak of the details...if there were any that survived it, that is. So it's also possible that with a single stroke, it can carve down hundreds of men.
Status: Unknown
Owners: Those Who Came Before, Perseus, Alexander the Great(T)(!), Attila the Hun(T), King Arthur, Sigurd, Genghis Kahn(T)(!), Joan of Arc, Templars.

34: The Staff: Designed to control men's minds and bodies; it has a spot in the headpiece where an Apple of Eden can placed to enhance the mind control powers.
Status: Destroyed in the Tunguska Incident.
Owners: Those Who Came Before, Egyptian Pharaohs, Moses, Alexander the Great(T)(!), John the Baptist, Jesus, Saint Peter, Rodrigo Borgia(T), Ezio(A), Unknown, Czar Nicholas II, Rasputin(T)(!).

66: The Shroud: Unknown, possibly allowed the resurrection of the dead, able to heal any ailment. The Templars were behind the crucifixion of Christ, allowing them to steal the artifact, although his disciples may have used it to heal Jesus before the Templars stole it. The Shroud appears to be red in color, with a "golden layer" woven on the inside, most likely the golden layer is the "technological part" of the artifact. Alta´r mentions a Golden Fleece in a codex page concerning his set of armor, suggesting he had woven it into his armor. This could very well be possible, as he had acces to the locations of the Pieces of Eden.
Status: Unknown
Owners: Those Who Came Before, Joseph, David, Jesus, Templars.

http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Piece_of_Eden </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know this is quite an old post but im sure people still look at it. i am not to sure but isn't the spear that the "templars" used to make sure that Jesus was dead an artefact or some sort of magical weapon. is that soughta linked to the sword of eden and the apples?

maizelino
01-14-2010, 09:34 PM
something is going on hear. where the hell did people get this information? all this stuff. is there more than meats the eye

SWJS
01-15-2010, 12:53 AM
We learn quite a lot from the Truth puzzles. Including the numbers of the Pieces.

The_Eagle1701
10-14-2010, 08:31 PM
There are 50 PoE's. We only know of 8: 5 different apples, the sword, the shroud & the staff. We know of these and their numbers through the glyph puzzles from subject 16 in ac2. The 66 on the shroud could be a typo since in the french edition of the game its #36. This makes more sense as it is less than 50. Its all in the article on the pieces of eden in the assassin's creed wiki. Hope this helped.

Xanatos2007
10-14-2010, 08:38 PM
You should check the date of a thread before posting. Unless you live in a different star system and your message only arrived just now.