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XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 06:06 PM
When JG 54 was equipped with the Fw 190A-4, the pilots were very impressed with their new mounts! One feature was the outstanding strenght and ruggedness of the airframe and particularly the strength of the one-piece through wing structure. This eventually led to an unofficial "experiment" to find out just how much punishment the airframe could really take. Pushing his wallowing Focke-Wulf to its maximum ceiling, one of their number - who was in fact, a veteran Lufthansa pilot old enough to know better! - then proceeded deliberately to point the nose straight down. The speed built up alarmingly. And although the sound barrier may have remained inviolate that day, such was the rate of descent that the propeller arc itself began to act as a brake. The pilot was no seven-stone weakling either, but it took all his strength to pull the complaining fighter out of its near terminal power dive and bring it safely down. The others crowded round to count the missing rivets, only to find every single one obstinately unpopped! As a confidence booster in a new aircraft, Kurt Tank himself could not have staged a better demonstration.

Well, I thought it was a nice story! There's more to be found in the book "Focke-Wulf Fw 190, Aces of the Russian front, by John Weal"

This awesome fighter went trough so many stages and variants throughout its career its crazy! From the nimble agile and manouverable Fw 190A-3 to the heavy, armored and bomb ladden A-8 which proved to be no match for the Russian late war fighters. The comming of the D-9 quickly erased the russian fighters advantage but it arrived too late to make any impact on the outcome of the war. Anyways, hope you liked the little story!/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 06:06 PM
When JG 54 was equipped with the Fw 190A-4, the pilots were very impressed with their new mounts! One feature was the outstanding strenght and ruggedness of the airframe and particularly the strength of the one-piece through wing structure. This eventually led to an unofficial "experiment" to find out just how much punishment the airframe could really take. Pushing his wallowing Focke-Wulf to its maximum ceiling, one of their number - who was in fact, a veteran Lufthansa pilot old enough to know better! - then proceeded deliberately to point the nose straight down. The speed built up alarmingly. And although the sound barrier may have remained inviolate that day, such was the rate of descent that the propeller arc itself began to act as a brake. The pilot was no seven-stone weakling either, but it took all his strength to pull the complaining fighter out of its near terminal power dive and bring it safely down. The others crowded round to count the missing rivets, only to find every single one obstinately unpopped! As a confidence booster in a new aircraft, Kurt Tank himself could not have staged a better demonstration.

Well, I thought it was a nice story! There's more to be found in the book "Focke-Wulf Fw 190, Aces of the Russian front, by John Weal"

This awesome fighter went trough so many stages and variants throughout its career its crazy! From the nimble agile and manouverable Fw 190A-3 to the heavy, armored and bomb ladden A-8 which proved to be no match for the Russian late war fighters. The comming of the D-9 quickly erased the russian fighters advantage but it arrived too late to make any impact on the outcome of the war. Anyways, hope you liked the little story!/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 06:11 PM
/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif I be ready, get your flamesuit!



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But the story is nice /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 06:12 PM
The Fw190 is in the top-ten of the best fighters all-time...

And my all-time favourite.../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

I'd guess it's your, too, isn't it ? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 06:25 PM
I love the 190 now... when i got this game i hopped in a 109 but after awhile it grew old, overheats too fast and breaks up very easy, lately while playing online i have been using the A9 or D9... of course the online dogfights are at low alt, but with alot of people and help to get LAs, Yaks and P39s the A9s firepower is unbeatable, the 30mm wing cannons are deadly up close, i use the normal guns at distance to line up, get in close with one small burst LAs, Yak and 39s just blow up into pieces in front of me, even the FM nuts TB3 cant take a few good placed shots, other night me in my 190A9 and another in a 109 attacked a TB3, he came it before and drew the gun fire, i got within 100meters and 3 hits with the 30mm and off went the wing, we proceded to knock out 3 more in the same fashion... whats the main diff between the models, A4-A5-A9???



Message Edited on 11/03/0305:48PM by JG26_Red

XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 07:12 PM
Bremspropeller wrote:
- The Fw190 is in the top-ten of the best fighters
- all-time...
-
- And my all-time favourite- I'd guess it's your, too, isn't it ?

I guess you can say that!/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 07:24 PM
JG26_Red wrote:
whats the main diff
- between the models, A4-A5-A9???
-

The A-5 differs from the A-4 in having a 15cm longer nose. In order to compensate for ever increasing equipment weight, the engine was moved more foreward.

The A-9's most critical difference from all the other A variants was its powerplant, the BMW 801TS, giving 2400hp!!

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XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 09:26 PM
Fw 190A-8 is the best plane for practicing. Once you can win a fight in an A-8, you can win in any it 190.

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XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 09:36 PM
The pilot that made that dive was none other than Bully Lang.

The good ole Focke didn't even pop a rivet/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


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XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 09:43 PM
I'm gonna go try Jg54s theory, in game and see what happens.

XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 10:09 PM
FW190 Terminal V Test:

began to break up at 970 wingtips off first, then the rear empenage came away, finally my stub winged aerial torpedo blew up at 1090!!

XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 10:14 PM
robban75 wrote:
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- JG26_Red wrote:
- whats the main diff
-- between the models, A4-A5-A9???
--
-
- The A-5 differs from the A-4 in having a 15cm longer
- nose. In order to compensate for ever increasing
- equipment weight, the engine was moved more
- foreward.
-
- The A-9's most critical difference from all the
- other A variants was its powerplant, the BMW 801TS,
- giving 2400hp!!

other minor differences are

-a4/5 2x MG/FF (20mm) as outer wing cannons 2x MG17 (7,92mm) as nosemgs - a8/9 mg151/20 (20mm) in outer wings and 2x Mg131 (13mm) as nosemgs.

-a9 has also a more efficient prop with wooden blades, you can identify it looking at its blades, which are not as narrow as the ones of the versions until,including, a8


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XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 10:24 PM
Classicaero wrote:
- FW190 Terminal V Test:
-
- began to break up at 970 wingtips off first, then
- the rear empenage came away, finally my stub winged
- aerial torpedo blew up at 1090!!
-
-

The D-9 comes apart at 910km/h IAS. The A's much lower.

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XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 11:43 PM
my test was carried out from 9900m, with externals and speedbar on and those figures i quoted were the speed bar figures.

the craft was a 1942 FW 190 A4

XyZspineZyX
11-04-2003, 07:19 AM
JG26_Red wrote:
- I love the 190 now... when i got this game i hopped
- in a 109 but after awhile it grew old, overheats too
- fast and breaks up very easy, lately while playing
- online i have been using the A9 or D9...

so how do you cope with the view? I can't get over how much of the screen is filled with the cockpit. I know this has been thrashed out numerous times, but how do people cope with it? It's the one ond only thing stopping me from being a full-time 190 junkie.

cheers,
Tony
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XyZspineZyX
11-04-2003, 07:48 AM
Backseatgunner, you just have to learn to live with this error. It is a bummer but you get used to it (sort of). I only fly cockpit on so it can be frustrating being unable to see any deflection shots at all. The only positive is that I fly only full-hard (or as close as server allows), and the 190 has an excellent view to sides and rear making it easier to spot, stalk, and kill your enemy. The 190 has good overall visibility, but poor forward visibility.

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XyZspineZyX
11-04-2003, 08:53 AM
backseatgunner wrote:
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- JG26_Red wrote:
-- I love the 190 now... when i got this game i hopped
-- in a 109 but after awhile it grew old, overheats too
-- fast and breaks up very easy, lately while playing
-- online i have been using the A9 or D9...
-
- so how do you cope with the view? I can't get over
- how much of the screen is filled with the cockpit. I
- know this has been thrashed out numerous times, but
- how do people cope with it? It's the one ond only
- thing stopping me from being a full-time 190 junkie.
-
-
-
- cheers,
- Tony
- (flying as "wombat" on HL)
-

You learn to cope with it by using a SWAG tool to calculate the trajectory of your target. Once you figure out where your target is, you try and calculate his speed, direction, energy state, and probable turn back into your gun sights. You quickly plug all these equations into your SWAG tool and it will give you the exact point your target will emerge into your bullet path. With a little practice, it is nearly infallible.

SWAG = Scientific Wild-Assed Guess. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



BTW: I thought (And have read) that the A-5 was roughly 6 inches longer in the nose to facilitate an armored engine mounting ring. The addition of this was so insignificant to the planes COG that no modification was done to the tail section to move the COG backwards. Also, most A-4's were retrofitted with this ring in the field once full-scale production of the A-5 was initiated.



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XyZspineZyX
11-04-2003, 11:55 AM
--a9 has also a more efficient prop with wooden blades, you can identify it looking at its blades, which are not as narrow as the ones of the versions until,including, a8


In game...
There were actually some A-7s with the wide wooden prop, same goes for the A-8.
There were also some A-9s with the metallic (old) VDM prop.
All A-9s had the new "bubble"-canopy. Most of the A-8s didn't have the bubble (but most F-8s had), only the late ones were equipped with the bubbletop (or if the original one had to be replaced due to damage).
Some late A-8s even received the new BMW801-TS engine.
So, if you want, you could get the A-9 feeling with an old A-8 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
11-04-2003, 02:43 PM
Bremspropeller wrote:
---a9 has also a more efficient prop with wooden blades, you can identify it looking at its blades, which are not as narrow as the ones of the versions until,including, a8
-
-
- In game...
- There were actually some A-7s with the wide wooden
- prop, same goes for the A-8.
- There were also some A-9s with the metallic (old)
- VDM prop.

i know, but these were rebuilts of older versions.
real planned, straight out of the factory, a8 had the metalbladed, a9 the wooden bladed, and game features no fieldmodifications or improvisions of the luftwaffe. but anything was barely left in serial built state at the luftwaffe.

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XyZspineZyX
11-04-2003, 02:56 PM
Coping with the view. I just follow the target as much as possible and once I have a shot you use that elevator authority that the FW190 has, pull up and send a stream of shots to where you think the bad guy is.

Its virtually impossible to properly deflection shoot in the FW but with the firepower landing a few shots is all thats required.

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XyZspineZyX
11-04-2003, 04:13 PM
Bremspropeller wrote:

- Some late A-8s even received the new BMW801-TS
- engine.

- So, if you want, you could get the A-9 feeling with
- an old A-8


This is true(and very significant) about both the prop and the engine for the later A series Focke-Wulfs.

IIRC, 3-4 experienced mechanics could do a complete engine change on a BMW801/ Focke-Wulf in the field in less than 1 hour! The powerplant came as a complete unit with cowlings, panels, etc. already in place.

There are documents that list re-engined Focke-Wulfs and units somewhere, Brems do you have access to something like this?

Is Phillip Willaume out there anywhere?





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XyZspineZyX
11-04-2003, 04:48 PM
Great Story.
Great Thread
Great Airplane!

XyZspineZyX
11-04-2003, 05:57 PM
Brems do you have access to
- something like this?


Nope, but I've got Peter Rodeike's brilliant book about the Fw190A, D and Ta152H.

There is one picture of Olt. Klaus Bretschneider's Fw190A-8/R2 "Rauhbautz VII" which shows, that his a/c was re-equipped with the TS or TU engine (in the innitial config., his a/c carried the yellow ring for "erhĆĀ¶hte Notleistung", but this one was not anymore on the fuselage on the picture), but not the wooden prop.
It also was liberated of it's 5mm extra-armor below the canopy.

A lil'bit confusing, I know... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Just like the last days of the war were like.

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