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Achilles97
09-09-2009, 12:54 PM
My friends and I are going to play a free for all multiplayer match. We will be using the same airfield with no vulching, which means tight dogfighting at low altitude.

Since we are all relatively new to this game, we are looking for feedback on the balance of these planes:

bf109G6AS
Yak-3
LA-5 FN
KI-84a
FW-190A9
P47D
Spitfire MK IXe


We want everyone's plane to be relatively balanced compared to everyone else. Do any of the planes in that list stand out as being overpowered or underpowered?

Thanks!

b2spirita
09-09-2009, 12:58 PM
If its strictly low alt T+B then its going to be dominated by the yak + spit. The '47 and '190 may as well not show up.

Brace for T+B hate also.

na85
09-09-2009, 01:02 PM
The 5FN will do well also.

Achilles97
09-09-2009, 01:08 PM
Yeah, I was afraid of the T&B planes having an advantage. I am flying the 109. When I initially created the list of available planes, I included the Yak9D instead of the Yak3, and the Corsair instead of KI-84, but the players weren't satisfied with those planes.


Thanks for the information!

BillSwagger
09-09-2009, 01:10 PM
If there are no rules limiting style of combat, then any one of those planes can do well, but I just see some planes like the Yak, and the Spitfire, maybe even the La-5, that can generally can fly well off the deck, while the other planes need a bit of altitude to trade for energy first.

Achilles97
09-09-2009, 01:20 PM
The guy flying the Spitfire has more experience than everyone else. Since I am hosting the game, I think I should limit the Spitfire variants so he cannot have the most capable Spitfire. Which Spitfire version should I allow?

Thanks!

general_kalle
09-09-2009, 01:22 PM
Vb

Ba5tard5word
09-09-2009, 01:32 PM
A Spit VIII might be a better balance, it's a good plane but it's top speed at sea level is around 530kph, lower than some of the other planes on that list, but its ability to keep its energy up and its decent armament will make it do well I guess.


Maybe get Hardball's Aircraft Viewer and you can compare the different top speeds of the planes and you can see which ones will be able to zip away from others. Keep in mind though that some planes like the Fw and P-47 will take longer to get to top speed but once they get there they are pretty fast.

The_Stealth_Owl
09-09-2009, 02:40 PM
LA-5 FN
Yak-3
bf109G6AS
Spitfire MK IXe
P47D
FW-190A9
KI-84a

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TinyTim
09-09-2009, 03:09 PM
I'd suggest throwing J2M3 and maybe an I-185_M82 into the mix. My list would look something like this:

Yak-3
La-5FN
I-185 M-82 (NOT the M-71)
Ki-84-Ib
J2M3
SpitfireIXc

You can throw the Fw and P-47 right out. If it's strictly low alt turn and burn they'll be nothing but cannon fodder.

Achilles97
09-09-2009, 03:39 PM
Great! Thanks for the replies.

horseback
09-09-2009, 03:51 PM
bf109G6AS
Yak-3
LA-5 FN
KI-84a
FW-190A9
P47D
Spitfire MK IXe These appear to all be late-war planes. If it's going to be a weed-fest, the Soviets and the Frank will probably dominate, although an LF clipped wing Spit could still have some say about the ultimate winner.

Are you going to impose a ceiling with your ground rules? If not, and I were flying the 109 or the P-47D, I'd be inclined to loiter above 7000m and let the dedicated weedwhackers get short of breath coming to me after they've killed each other off. And I'd pray that the Spit was out of bullets or gas...

cheers

horseback

megalopsuche
09-09-2009, 04:53 PM
Anything like a free for all match where simply disengaging to rtb isn't much of an option is going to favor the turning planes, by definition. If you really want a fair match, then everyone should fly the same plane.

Pigeon_
09-09-2009, 05:04 PM
It depends on the rules...

If you all start at the same time, then the guy in the best climbing plane will have the biggest advantage. Not sure which one that is though... (ki-84?)

The_Stealth_Owl
09-09-2009, 05:15 PM
(ki-84?)
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La-7

dwaindibley
09-09-2009, 06:05 PM
Spitfire VIII Clipped please http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Pigeon_
09-09-2009, 06:35 PM
Personally, I'd take the I16 type 24 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

Freiwillige
09-09-2009, 06:42 PM
Originally posted by Pigeon_:
It depends on the rules...

If you all start at the same time, then the guy in the best climbing plane will have the biggest advantage. Not sure which one that is though... (ki-84?)

G6-A\S
all 109's are monster climbers.

na85
09-09-2009, 08:35 PM
Achilles I think a major problem with your setup is that by forcing them to take off from the same base, you're basically creating a guarantee that the combat will be low and in close quarters.

Some aircraft will not be able to use their natural advantages unless you have people start from separate bases.

Dgirth
09-10-2009, 07:40 AM
If i had to make a plane list for a dogfight match like that then this be it.

A6M5a
A6M5a
A6M5a
A6M5a
A6M5a
A6M5a
A6M5a

Only way it be fair with your rule set.

Achilles97
09-10-2009, 12:45 PM
Originally posted by na85:
Achilles I think a major problem with your setup is that by forcing them to take off from the same base, you're basically creating a guarantee that the combat will be low and in close quarters.

Some aircraft will not be able to use their natural advantages unless you have people start from separate bases.

I agree :-) . Unfortunately, all the other players want to fly off the same base. I think they are of the Battlefield 1942 video game crowd. They argued when I turned off external views, and they flat out would not talk about turning off icons. They aren't at all interested in plane balance, they just want the best plane they can fly so I am trying to enfore some type of balance.

I think I will make everyone be on seperate teams instead of everyone being red and using the one cement runway. This will give us the option to fly to our plane's strength.

The reason I am going through all this effort is because it's a group of guys from my office and I am trying to get them playing but it's going to take a while to get them to appreciate the realism and simulation part of the game.

I appreciate all the replies!

:-)

WOLFMondo
09-11-2009, 04:55 AM
Switch A9 for D9.

doraemil
09-11-2009, 05:05 AM
Yes, add the zero, P-11c, gladiator and other bi planes in the mix.


its always awesome to see a biplane take something down.

And also add the Emil 109,


lanes

Also crazy planes like the KI-84c have big honking cannons that 1 v 1 turn fight may suck, but in a 20 vs 20 furball, they can depress the trigger while in range and possibly get some kills, exhaust ammo and RTB since its just a dive away, and come back and do the same.


I would say have opposing sides start off from airbases close to each other.

Same airbase, its hard to tell if someone's vulching since action is going on low and tight, unless you set an engagement rule of only 1000 m and above but then it won't be low.

If everyone is using the same airbase, you'll just open up the chances for someone to 'fudge the 'rules'

Also you'll have pilots that will disengage and fly slow, pop flaps and wheels, and then cry foul if their opponent shoots them down.

Achilles97
09-15-2009, 12:53 PM
Originally posted by TinyTim:
I'd suggest throwing J2M3 and maybe an I-185_M82 into the mix. My list would look something like this:

Yak-3
La-5FN
I-185 M-82 (NOT the M-71)
Ki-84-Ib
J2M3
SpitfireIXc

You can throw the Fw and P-47 right out. If it's strictly low alt turn and burn they'll be nothing but cannon fodder.


Just curious, why the I-185 M-82 and not the M-71? I added both to the game and the player preferred the M-82. Just wondering what the difference is...


I adjusted the game style. We are now split into two teams, 3 vs 3. Planes are:

bf109 g6/as
Yak 9U (replaced Yak3)
P-39Q10
LA-5FN
I-185 M71 and M82
Spitfire VIII
KI-84

Some of the guys haven't decided which plane they want, that's why there's more planes than players.

Thanks!