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SeaVee
07-29-2007, 06:04 AM
Blue Six, one of the many unpaid volunteer Battle of Britain II Development guys (we all are) has done some fine work further improving the Flight Models for BoB2. Our Il2 friends who also ocassionally play BoB2 I think will especially notice and appreciate the newly activated torque effects from the propellers. The excessive yaw oscillations of the Spitfire are also substantially improved - both huge developments.

http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8561

msalama
07-29-2007, 10:17 AM
http://koti.welho.com/msalama/S2.bmp

Thank you gents, will install forthwith.

stalkervision
07-29-2007, 11:35 AM
and to any guys with BOBWOV here is your chance to get your favorite plane to handle just like you always wanted. These FM's aren't written in stone yet! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif These are pre-beta Fm's and all suggestions are welcome..

NAFP_supah
07-29-2007, 02:53 PM
This is strange, a developer that actually talks to his customers .... be carefull or someone will steal all your innovations! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

John_Wayne_
07-29-2007, 03:05 PM
I took a look.

The same person who posted the following here:-
'and to any guys with BOBWOV here is your chance to get your favorite plane to handle just like you always wanted.'

Posted the following there:-
'Guys what we need is the real expert on the 109 "Kurfurst"! This guy really knows his stuff!

Can someone please send him a copy of our game PLEASE!!

I really want this guy on our side and over in our forums..'

Discuss.

stalkervision
07-29-2007, 03:19 PM
Originally posted by John_Wayne_:
I took a look.

The same person who posted the following here:-
'and to any guys with BOBWOV here is your chance to get your favorite plane to handle just like you always wanted.'

Posted the following there:-
'Guys what we need is the real expert on the 109 "Kurfurst"! This guy really knows his stuff!

Can someone please send him a copy of our game PLEASE!!

I really want this guy on our side and over in our forums..'

Discuss.

ahh actually that was me and I am not the new Fm's flight model developer... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I didn't even get in the new FM's beta development team.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

I just respect Kurfurt's 109 knowlege of the 109 and thought he would llke to put it to excellent use polishing up our new 109e flight model.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

seems you guys don't get that option here.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

I am a picky sort of soul and want the 109 to be "just right"... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

Actually most people love the new FM. I find there is always room for improvment in any FM though..

stalkervision
07-29-2007, 03:25 PM
Originally posted by NAFP_supah:
This is strange, a developer that actually talks to his customers .... be carefull or someone will steal all your innovations! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

what, they don't do this in Il-2 ? Well none of us nerds here are good enough for that are we..? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif There approach is "the customer is our most important user.." Novel HUH? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Heck we are constanly making suggestions that get immediate responses and action on... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

These pre-beta-FM's even have "two versions" to suit ones tastes and one can even go into the code and change what one wants in the FM with full approval and help from the staff..

RocketDog
07-29-2007, 03:40 PM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
I just respect Kurfurt's 109 knowlege of the 109 and thought he would llke to put it to excellent use polishing up our new 109e flight model.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Err... Kurfurst may not be your best source for unbiased information.

Cheers,

RD.

stalkervision
07-29-2007, 03:46 PM
Originally posted by RocketDog:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
I just respect Kurfurt's 109 knowlege of the 109 and thought he would llke to put it to excellent use polishing up our new 109e flight model.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Err... Kurfurst may not be your best source for unbiased information.

Cheers,

RD. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now now.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

actually I was hoping he would help me get the 109 just like all us 109 pilots would like it..

a screaming high turn rate..elevators that work instantly at any speed and aileron responses that are excellent even near the speed of sound! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif


BTW anyone can come over and "put their two cents in" that loves the 109. All opinions are listened too. It's a novel idea I know.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Oh and apparently they are working on those other planes that no one cares very much about like the spit.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

John_Wayne_
07-29-2007, 04:01 PM
Originally posted by RocketDog:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
I just respect Kurfurt's 109 knowlege of the 109 and thought he would llke to put it to excellent use polishing up our new 109e flight model.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Err... Kurfurst may not be your best source for unbiased information.

Cheers,

RD. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Masterful British understatement.

VW-IceFire
07-29-2007, 05:00 PM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NAFP_supah:
This is strange, a developer that actually talks to his customers .... be carefull or someone will steal all your innovations! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

what, they don't do this in Il-2 ? Well none of us nerds here are good enough for that are we..? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif There approach is "the customer is our most important user.." Novel HUH? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Heck we are constanly making suggestions that get immediate responses and action on... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Oleg used to freely chat and play online games with the community. But the community at large sort of chased him off like he was a Rockstar about to go out of style and they wanted every little piece of him that they could get.

Interesting info about BoBII. I haven't tried it yet but I may have to have a look at it sometime.

Kurfurst__
07-30-2007, 02:12 AM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by John_Wayne_:
I took a look.

The same person who posted the following here:-
'and to any guys with BOBWOV here is your chance to get your favorite plane to handle just like you always wanted.'

Posted the following there:-
'Guys what we need is the real expert on the 109 "Kurfurst"! This guy really knows his stuff!

Can someone please send him a copy of our game PLEASE!!

I really want this guy on our side and over in our forums..'

Discuss.

ahh actually that was me and I am not the new Fm's flight model developer... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I didn't even get in the new FM's beta development team.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

I just respect Kurfurt's 109 knowlege of the 109 and thought he would llke to put it to excellent use polishing up our new 109e flight model.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

seems you guys don't get that option here.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

I am a picky sort of soul and want the 109 to be "just right"... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

Actually most people love the new FM. I find there is always room for improvment in any FM though.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I will try to make a look, but I can't promise much.. I don't know the sim in detail. In any case, most of the Emil stuff is on my site already, save some monstre 40+ page reports which I wasn't too keen typing because of the lenght (boy the French loved the 109.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. Almost all of it however construction and not performance related.

One of the problems with the 109E and BoB that during the battle the Emil was using at least 4 different types of engines.. DB 601A-1, DB 601A-1 with an improved supercharger and 500m higher rated alt, DB 601Aa and the DB 601N (which again is different from the 601N in the Friedrich).

M_Gunz
07-30-2007, 02:58 AM
Easy to fix the 109's. Whatever any Brit plane can do, make 109 better.
Speed, climb, turn and dive, there are quotes where 109 is better and those are right.
Till then it is not right.

Okay, I'm not up to Stalker's use of bait so I figured just cut to the end-game.

p-11.cAce
07-30-2007, 03:52 AM
As the CFS series proved the true sucecess of a flight simulation program is the ability to make your favorite airplane fly like YOU want and expect it to. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

leitmotiv
07-30-2007, 04:25 AM
Roll on BOBSOW.

stalkervision
07-30-2007, 04:41 AM
Originally posted by Kurfurst__:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by John_Wayne_:
I took a look.

The same person who posted the following here:-
'and to any guys with BOBWOV here is your chance to get your favorite plane to handle just like you always wanted.'

Posted the following there:-
'Guys what we need is the real expert on the 109 "Kurfurst"! This guy really knows his stuff!

Can someone please send him a copy of our game PLEASE!!

I really want this guy on our side and over in our forums..'

Discuss.

ahh actually that was me and I am not the new Fm's flight model developer... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I didn't even get in the new FM's beta development team.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

I just respect Kurfurt's 109 knowlege of the 109 and thought he would llke to put it to excellent use polishing up our new 109e flight model.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

seems you guys don't get that option here.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

I am a picky sort of soul and want the 109 to be "just right"... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

Actually most people love the new FM. I find there is always room for improvment in any FM though.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I will try to make a look, but I can't promise much.. I don't know the sim in detail. In any case, most of the Emil stuff is on my site already, save some monstre 40+ page reports which I wasn't too keen typing because of the lenght (boy the French loved the 109.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. Almost all of it however construction and not performance related.

One of the problems with the 109E and BoB that during the battle the Emil was using at least 4 different types of engines.. DB 601A-1, DB 601A-1 with an improved supercharger and 500m higher rated alt, DB 601Aa and the DB 601N (which again is different from the 601N in the Friedrich). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks kurf,whatever you can do will be apperciated... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

joeap
07-30-2007, 03:57 PM
Well this is good new, but are you guys serious? "Get the FMs just the way you want it"??? "A developer that listens"..I don't want to put the good guys at shockwave donw but you obviously don't know what happened here and how it used to be. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

stalkervision
07-30-2007, 04:27 PM
Nope, I wasn't here in "the great before time".. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Please tell me stranger what Atlantis was like.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif ??

joeap
07-30-2007, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
Nope, I wasn't here in "the great before time".. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Please tell me stranger what Atlantis was like.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif ??

Not sure if I should take you seriously but anyway, read Icefire's post. Oleg used to post til things got nasty with people with agendas. You know like everyone wanting "his" plane as "he" wanted it rather than trying to get it the most accurate possible in the sim.

Anyway, I liked your news just no need to make the dig at Il-2 or the devs in order to promote the other excellent sim.

stalkervision
07-30-2007, 05:06 PM
Originally posted by joeap:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
Nope, I wasn't here in "the great before time".. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Please tell me stranger what Atlantis was like.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif ??

Not sure if I should take you seriously but anyway, read Icefire's post. Oleg used to post til things got nasty with people with agendas. You know like everyone wanting "his" plane as "he" wanted it rather than trying to get it the most accurate possible in the sim.

Anyway, I liked your news just no need to make the dig at Il-2 or the devs in order to promote the other excellent sim. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


No actually I just want to know why there was such a huge change here when apparently it was a very hands on developer forum at one time.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

why does it have to be "all or nothing" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

p-11.cAce
07-30-2007, 07:02 PM
And the broken record goes round and round http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Stalker, seavee, and the rest of the BoB fanbois cannot help themselves - they treat this forum (provided by UBI as we have been through before) as if it were created for promoting their product. We've all been over this before - BoB2 is a very nice mod for a very old engine, and even with all the new patches it is leagues away from what IL2 was when it rolled out all those years ago. Yeah you got 6-dof, but what else? nothing. You know it, I know it - we all know it. I don't want a sim developer to make the fm's, dm's, or skins for tha matter how "someone" wants them - I want them to be as historically accurate as is possible.
The BoB2 dev team may equate squirting some lube on the squeakiest wheel with great service - but if that means compromising the simulation its actually a great disservice.
Oleg has a PROVEN history of supporting this sim from its earliest days to the present - sometimes to the detriment of the simulation but often to its betterment. There will be flaws in any software, and each dev team has to determine its policies for dealing with actual bugs and or errors. Just because Oleg is not personally available much does not mean support is lacking. Personally I want Oleg and the dev team focusing on SoW, not on some inane issue some individual has with 7 year old software.

RAZORBACK-47
07-30-2007, 07:31 PM
Originally posted by p-11.cAce:
And the broken record goes round and round http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Stalker, seavee, and the rest of the BoB fanbois cannot help themselves - they treat this forum (provided by UBI as we have been through before) as if it were created for promoting their product. We've all been over this before - BoB2 is a very nice mod for a very old engine, and even with all the new patches it is leagues away from what IL2 was when it rolled out all those years ago. Yeah you got 6-dof, but what else? nothing. You know it, I know it - we all know it. I don't want a sim developer to make the fm's, dm's, or skins for tha matter how "someone" wants them - I want them to be as historically accurate as is possible.
The BoB2 dev team may equate squirting some lube on the squeakiest wheel with great service - but if that means compromising the simulation its actually a great disservice.
Oleg has a PROVEN history of supporting this sim from its earliest days to the present - sometimes to the detriment of the simulation but often to its betterment. There will be flaws in any software, and each dev team has to determine its policies for dealing with actual bugs and or errors. Just because Oleg is not personally available much does not mean support is lacking. Personally I want Oleg and the dev team focusing on SoW, not on some inane issue some individual has with 7 year old software. Most people here Enjoy both sims. Who wants to play the same game over and over? Its nice to have variety. If you came over and posted on shockwaves forum, about a new patch, i would be grateful.

stalkervision
07-30-2007, 07:40 PM
Originally posted by RAZORBACK-47:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p-11.cAce:
And the broken record goes round and round http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Stalker, seavee, and the rest of the BoB fanbois cannot help themselves - they treat this forum (provided by UBI as we have been through before) as if it were created for promoting their product. We've all been over this before - BoB2 is a very nice mod for a very old engine, and even with all the new patches it is leagues away from what IL2 was when it rolled out all those years ago. Yeah you got 6-dof, but what else? nothing. You know it, I know it - we all know it. I don't want a sim developer to make the fm's, dm's, or skins for tha matter how "someone" wants them - I want them to be as historically accurate as is possible.
The BoB2 dev team may equate squirting some lube on the squeakiest wheel with great service - but if that means compromising the simulation its actually a great disservice.
Oleg has a PROVEN history of supporting this sim from its earliest days to the present - sometimes to the detriment of the simulation but often to its betterment. There will be flaws in any software, and each dev team has to determine its policies for dealing with actual bugs and or errors. Just because Oleg is not personally available much does not mean support is lacking. Personally I want Oleg and the dev team focusing on SoW, not on some inane issue some individual has with 7 year old software. Most people here Enjoy both sims. Who wants to play the same game over and over? Its nice to have variety. If you came over and posted on shockwaves forum, about a new patch, i would be grateful. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

agreed. I play both all the time and enjoy each for different reasons. In fact I have almost every flight sim out there besides these two..

btw does this looks old?

http://images.kodakgallery.eu.com/photos255/1/97/88/83/2/6/602838897133_0_ALB.jpg

or this..

http://images.kodakgallery.eu.com/photos255/1/97/88/73/57/6/657738897133_0_ALB.jpg

actually BOBWOV was ahead of it's time and still is in many many ways. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

all that it's missing is a little bit of ground level eye candy which some people find the most important thing in a aircraft combat sim apparently. As you see the air to air graphics are outstanding.

even the ground level stuff ain't half bad..


http://images.kodakgallery.eu.com/photos254/1/8/60/96/23/4/423966008133_0_ALB.jpg


http://images.kodakgallery.eu.com/photos238/1/97/89/45/63/9/963458997133_0_ALB.jpg

Notice there isn't that same endless repeating tree in perfect rows one sees in Il-2? I am hoping SOW will do much better! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif