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werla
09-10-2006, 07:41 AM
I am reading this book about Fighter Command in WW2, when I came over this story of P/Off Ken Mackenzie.
He was attacking a 109 and damaged it, and when he ran out of ammunition, he flew around it and signaled for him to ditch.
When that did not help he attempted to ram his tail with the undercarriage, but he lost to much speed.
He then proceeded to clip his tail with his starbord wingtip, and finally brought the 109 down.
Now that's what I call determination (some other things)

Pirschjaeger
09-10-2006, 07:46 AM
I used to have a gf like that. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Stubborn as hell.

Fritz

danjama
09-10-2006, 09:51 AM
why didnt he just leave him

DmdSeeker
09-10-2006, 10:03 AM
Originally posted by danjama:
why didnt he just leave him

Too many kill stealers around.

BaronUnderpants
09-10-2006, 01:54 PM
Originally posted by werla:
I am reading this book about Fighter Command in WW2, when I came over this story of P/Off Ken Mackenzie.
He was attacking a 109 and damaged it, and when he ran out of ammunition, he flew around it and signaled for him to ditch.
When that did not help he attempted to ram his tail with the undercarriage, but he lost to much speed.
He then proceeded to clip his tail with his starbord wingtip, and finally brought the 109 down.
Now that's what I call determination (some other things)


Sounds to me like he rally, really needed to kill somone to make him feel good about himselfe. No hero in my book. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

TROOPER117
09-10-2006, 02:23 PM
What was he supposed to do?.. let him get away, then the enemy pilot would be back the next day to shoot down more British pilots??
It was a war for god sake. he was doing his job, knocking the invader out of the sky by any means possible.
And by the way, they were all heroes in my book, regardless of which side they were on!

regards.. Dave S.

LStarosta
09-10-2006, 02:48 PM
I totally disagree and think God put all the heroes on one side of the war, which is why we won.

x6BL_Brando
09-10-2006, 04:29 PM
Sounds to me like he rally, really needed to kill somone to make him feel good about himselfe. No hero in my book.


I don't see where it says he killed the 109 pilot. It says he brought the plane down - the pilot may well have bailed.

As for "kill someone....feel good about himself" - what unbridled horse-manure! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

B.

Waldo.Pepper
09-10-2006, 04:48 PM
What was he supposed to do?.. let him get away, then the enemy pilot would be back the next day to shoot down more British pilots??
It was a war for god sake.


Fookin' A!

DuxCorvan
09-10-2006, 05:41 PM
No, heroes were not in the front. While these guys died so aimlessly in the war, heroes stayed home, making children with lonely wives for the sake of the human species.

BaronUnderpants
09-11-2006, 11:20 AM
Origin8ally posted by x6BL_Brando:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Sounds to me like he rally, really needed to kill somone to make him feel good about himselfe. No hero in my book.


I don't see where it says he killed the 109 pilot. It says he brought the plane down - the pilot may well have bailed.

As for "kill someone....feel good about himself" - what unbridled horse-manure! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

B. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Call it what ever u like but there is a differance between doing your duty and completly lacking any kind of human emotion what so ever....something thats even more important in times of war.

I wonder what some of u would have said if it was the german pilot doing his "duty" against a allied pilot.

Trying to get him down first with extended undercarrige and then with the wingtip tells me that the 109 was in all effect allredy shot down. He sure as hell wouldnt try that if the enemy was moving arround at 300 mph / 15 000 feet. So what was the point...u tell me?

To me he sounds like a real a-hole or he was just plain dumb ( atleast in that situation ) and im sure his CO gave him a pat on the back, wiskey and a medal when he returnd to base with that story. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Either way, that stunt sure as hell wouldnt have made me feel like i did my duty.

If u havent allredy grasped whats wrong with that picture ( on so many levels ), war or no war, u never will...so ill leave it at that.

Oh, and if u wonder what happens when a tail gets choped of, go to the thread about the fatal accident on Malta the other day....dude.

P.s. U do know u dont HAVE to write anything if u dont have a opinion about the topic, right? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Making rude remarks about someonelses OPINIONS, however its put forward, without actually having one yourselfe is regarded as bad manners where i come from...dude.

TROOPER117
09-11-2006, 04:56 PM
You, are having a laugh.. the unfortunate accident you have just quoted was during a civil airshow over Malta, and not during wartime conditions.There are many instances of pilots ramming opponents aircraft to knock them out of the sky.. If you know your Luftwaffe history, you will also know that the Germans formed a 'Rammkommando', if that doesn't ring any bells, check on the 'Lehrgang Elbe' or 'Selbstopfermanner' or 'self-sacrifice men'..
And the russians used it as a viable tactic to!
You might not like the tactic, but when your homeland is under threat and the enemy have a distinct likelehood of taking it over, i think your attitude just might change somewhat..

Regards.. Dave S.