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XyZspineZyX
07-31-2003, 01:54 AM
So how come we can't roll back the 'ol canopy while we are flying? I've been here since the beginning with IL2, dont post much, and dont really recall this ever being brought up.

It would be nice to have especially with the Hurri, P40 and P47s....look pretty darn cool on final approach, canopy back, scarf in the wind....oh yeah!

just my 2cents

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XyZspineZyX
07-31-2003, 01:54 AM
So how come we can't roll back the 'ol canopy while we are flying? I've been here since the beginning with IL2, dont post much, and dont really recall this ever being brought up.

It would be nice to have especially with the Hurri, P40 and P47s....look pretty darn cool on final approach, canopy back, scarf in the wind....oh yeah!

just my 2cents

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Hunter82
07-31-2003, 01:57 AM
would be cool /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-31-2003, 02:00 AM
been discussed in Oleg's room a bit actually .. more as a way of increasing visibilty in dogfights than anything else I suspect http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

it would only work in certian planes, the 109 canopy flipped sideways for example, but personally i think it would be a good idea

its not as simple to program as you might think apparently, it also is likely to be a feature (like mirrors) that sounds good but rarely gets used

XyZspineZyX
07-31-2003, 06:43 AM
Was the open canopy common practice on take-off and landing? If so, combined with a more involved start-up procedure, I would use this feature all the time.

But I'm weird like that.

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XyZspineZyX
07-31-2003, 12:46 PM
That together with a "lean" function would be awesome when landing and taxiing!



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XyZspineZyX
07-31-2003, 12:56 PM
especially on the he-111, i thought the real aircraft had a way to open the canopy over the pilots head and raise the seat so his head stuck out.

XyZspineZyX
07-31-2003, 03:52 PM
lol,
Yep, its those little things that add so much to realism. I was just asking myself this same question about the canopy.
It's as important as 'rolling wheels". In some games , thats not even modeled...can u imagine!..lol
I like to compare how much of an "eye' the creator had when making the model, and wish i had the talent to create it..lool
In FB, even the cowl-flaps are animated on most birds, if im correct. Dont see how anybody could miss modeling a big Ole' canopy like that /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Message Edited on 07/31/0311:02AM by Swivet

XyZspineZyX
07-31-2003, 04:11 PM
Thats what I call immersive..I like it. Bump!

XyZspineZyX
07-31-2003, 04:20 PM
Knowing Oleg his strive for as much accuracy as possible he will only put it in the game if he can do the following adjustments in the FM and DM:

- Reduce speed when canopy is opened
- No protection for the pilot when canopy is opened

This way it's going to take more effort then "just" a canopy open/close animation.

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XyZspineZyX
07-31-2003, 04:47 PM
I remember that was one of the few realistic touches included in a rather mediocre title in retrospect (CFS2). I was just thinking that yesterday as I was on final approach over my airfield in a P-40 with the sunset over my shoulder. I don't imagine it would require a tremendous amount of work perhaps something of a challenge to animate and slightly adjust the FM but it would be so immersive. Great idea! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Message Edited on 07/31/0308:48AM by MackZ

XyZspineZyX
07-31-2003, 05:15 PM
I think it has to do with the way the cockpit is modeled in this game, kinda a limitation of the code.

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XyZspineZyX
07-31-2003, 06:05 PM
Couldn't they atleast fix the issue with the canopy still being there after you threw it away, I'm really disturbed by that one /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif



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XyZspineZyX
07-31-2003, 06:12 PM
A question along the same lines...

When a pilot decided to bail out did the entire canopy pop off like it does in the game or should it just open like it normally would, depending on the plane?

XyZspineZyX
07-31-2003, 06:37 PM
I think atleast some planes had an emergency handle which you pulled and the canopy would pop off, don't think that was the case on all planes though, like the P-39



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XyZspineZyX
07-31-2003, 06:46 PM
Shifty101 wrote:
- A question along the same lines...
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- When a pilot decided to bail out did the entire
- canopy pop off like it does in the game or should it
- just open like it normally would, depending on the
- plane?

Hi Shifty,

I'm sure someone will give you a more precise answer regarding models etc... I'm not going to bother... I'll just give my own baseless gut-instinct answer instead: for those cockpits that hinge open rather than slide back, I would imagine that the canopy popping off is accurate in that in case of emergency the hinge pin(s) could be quickly slid out, releasing the canopy entirely (I know for a fact that schweizer 2-33 and 2-22 gliders have this sort of design).

As for the sliding back style- canopies, I recall reading somewhere that often Spit and Hurri pilots would open their canopies prior to combat because they feared that battle damage would block the sliding mechanism and emprison them inside the pit. I would imagine that designing a quick release mechanism for sliding back canopies would be less simple to implement than for the "hinging open" type. I don't know which VVS ac had sliding back canopies but it's possible that the "pop off" canopy sequence is incorrect for those ac.

just some random thoughts- not definitive answers/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-31-2003, 06:58 PM
WTE_Galway wrote:
- ... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
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- its not as simple to program as you might think
- apparently, it also is likely to be a feature (like
- mirrors) that sounds good but rarely gets used
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What do you mean!? I use the mirror all the time. It's a great feature, and it helps me do a quick 6-check for bogeys and wingmen. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-31-2003, 07:10 PM
I remember in Rowan's Battle of Britain, you not only used to be able to open the canopy, but you also used to be able to lean out of the cockpit of the Spitfire and Hurricane. This was especially useful during taxiing, takeoff and landing, where you could barely see what was in front of you!

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XyZspineZyX
07-31-2003, 07:26 PM
Some canopies would pop off in an emergency situation. I know for sure that the FW 190 had a small explosive charge that could lift the entire canopy off if it was jammed.

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