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Black_Widow9
01-02-2011, 01:21 PM
Everyone has such great Theories about which direction the story is going! We are going to keep them all here from now on. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
If you post a new Topic regarding them it will be removed or locked without further notice.

Please see these other related Topics that you are welcome to post in that are not Theories but related to them.

The Ending of AC:Brotherhood *SPOILERS* (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9011039408/m/6681079298)
Assassin's Creed 3 (and beyond) #2.0 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5251069024/m/6831010868)
Wtf Lucy (***Spoilers***) (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5251069024/m/5241072698)

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AMuppetMatt
01-02-2011, 01:29 PM
My theory is that it is all a dream and when they wake up they'll eat pie.
Is this worth making a sticky so it's not lost... I can see in a months time this being on page 942 and people just reposting their theories in new threads.

magesupermaster
01-02-2011, 01:31 PM
Originally posted by AMuppetMatt:
My theory is that it is all a dream and when they wake up they'll eat pie.
Is this worth making a sticky so it's not lost... I can see in a months time this being on page 942 and people just reposting their theories in new threads.

I'm all up for that theory!
Unless pies don't exist in 2012.

AMuppetMatt
01-02-2011, 01:32 PM
If that is the travesty that the future holds then I don't want to be a part of it!

Avl521
01-02-2011, 01:54 PM
Oh Come on... Pie was made by templars http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Black_Widow9
01-02-2011, 02:03 PM
And now back on Topic...take your pies elsewhere. I'm sure P.B. Winterbottom would love to find you. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

vmoore1995
01-02-2011, 03:11 PM
it would be great if they went to a little known civilization or one that few people know alot on like babylon,incas or aztecs.plus ,y theory is that a guy named God or Jesus made this paradise called eden and he made the first people there..a tree of knowlage held and apple which luicfer (devil) tempted eve with it..and for desmonds side of it he wakes up for the animus okay??then he fight off loads of templars..finally he gets to the grand master dragon of the tempalrs now instead of fighting he has a slice of pie and has a game of rock,paper,sissors for the safety of the world..

Serrachio
01-02-2011, 03:40 PM
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The pie is a fake.

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Jack-Reacher
01-02-2011, 04:06 PM
Nothing will be answered, like LOST

ninja_7_7
01-02-2011, 08:55 PM
You guys think we'll get a definite ending or will it be like inception. It will be how you perceive it?

ANT1S3PT1C
01-03-2011, 03:15 AM
Well, i have 2 theories, the first being in france because thats where the Phrygian cap and the masonic eye come together, and the second is when the masons arrived in london, and btw has anyone noticed the masons square and compass symbol looked kinda like the assassin seal?

Gyro458
01-03-2011, 03:20 PM
The 2 people in the credits were William M./Bill Miles and Daniel Cross. That's my theory.

Avl521
01-03-2011, 10:16 PM
My theory is that all the game is part of the side effects of eating a pie full of mushrooms! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Now being serious but without explaining why my theory is that the next game will be set in France, probably modern 2012 france with mixture of some ancester gameplay.

And The guys that were talking at the end were William M. and Erudito.

TheSpectator
01-03-2011, 10:19 PM
Daniel Cross=Erudito

Avl521
01-03-2011, 10:21 PM
Originally posted by TheSpectator:
Daniel Cross=Erudito

Are you sure about that or is that your theory? I haven't read The Fall so I don't know much about Daniel Cross.

TheSpectator
01-03-2011, 11:11 PM
Originally posted by Avl521:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TheSpectator:
Daniel Cross=Erudito

Are you sure about that or is that your theory? I haven't read The Fall so I don't know much about Daniel Cross. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
My theory. Also if you want to read the comics but you don't live in canada or the US it is possible to load them in a downward fashion off the net. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Avl521
01-04-2011, 12:48 AM
I know, but so far I have only found the first issue :P

TheSpectator
01-04-2011, 05:00 AM
Keep trying cuz I found it eventually

Millhouse3rd
01-04-2011, 10:06 AM
FFS, can we cut the BS and talk seriously here?

BTW, AC3 will take place in Paris, during the french guillotine revolution. I saw it in the apple. But it would also make sense if it took place in modern Paris, if you take a look at the city you'll see most the buildings have 3-4 floors tops, that because the ancient Paris was built on top of caves and catacombs and ancient tunnels; because of that there's a limit imposed on the maximum height allowed on buildings, otherwise their weight might cause the ground to cave-in and the structure to collapse.

captain.gi
01-04-2011, 10:43 AM
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The masonic eye and Phrygian cap at the end of ac b were clues in my opinion. and I think it was William M (probably Miles, Desmond's Father) and Erudito talking at the end too. and it's more likely for Erudito to be Subject 16 than Daniel cross.
And I strongly disbelieve the "Desmond's Son" theory. It was probably a misspelling of "sun" which would make a lot more sense because that would explain the "running out of power" part too. 16 saying "Your sun" to mean the sun of our solar system, before anyone tries to point out that the sun cannot be owned.

**Spoilers for AC The Fall**

<STRIKE>How's a drug addict (Daniel Cross) who didn't even know about the assassins supposed to hack into abstergo's mainframe anyway? (That's basically all we know Erudito does lol)</STRIKE>


**End of Spoilers**

dchil279
01-04-2011, 02:48 PM
Originally posted by TheSpectator:
Keep trying cuz I found it eventually
do you think you could PM me a link? I REALLY want them but cant find them

rileypoole1234
01-04-2011, 04:48 PM
I think AC3 will be in Victorian London.

Avl521
01-04-2011, 05:15 PM
Originally posted by dchil279:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TheSpectator:
Keep trying cuz I found it eventually
do you think you could PM me a link? I REALLY want them but cant find them </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Same for me. I have searched extensively and found only the fisrt issue.

TheSpectator
01-05-2011, 03:57 AM
Someone tell me where i can upload it.
It took me sooooooooo long to find but I managed.

Sps_Drake
01-06-2011, 08:34 AM
I think Rebbecca is a traitor. In one of Shaun's Emails it says Rebbecca is a Templar.

Avl521
01-06-2011, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by Sps_Drake:
I think Rebbecca is a traitor. In one of Shaun's Emails it says Rebbecca is a Templar.

Oh that was just a joke... read the context in which it was sent.
Now it's possible that Shaun is right, but we don't know that for sure.

RosscoK2k8
01-06-2011, 10:10 AM
Has anyone taken into account it could perhaps be set during the American Revolution? There's a lot of rumours about the French Revolution etc but the American colonists took a lot of encouragement from the events in France.

Saying that it happened AFTER the French revolution so might be a long shot. Would be an excellent setting though, the British Empire helped being brought down by the Assassins.

Also bare in mind a lot of Italian immigrants moved to the colonies!

Sps_Drake
01-06-2011, 05:40 PM
Originally posted by Avl521:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sps_Drake:
I think Rebbecca is a traitor. In one of Shaun's Emails it says Rebbecca is a Templar.

Oh that was just a joke... read the context in which it was sent.
Now it's possible that Shaun is right, but we don't know that for sure. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I know. It was a joke lol. But at the same time everyone assumes Lucy is a traitor when it could also be Shaun, Rebecca, or heck, even William M(iles).

Avl521
01-06-2011, 06:09 PM
Originally posted by Sps_Drake:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Avl521:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sps_Drake:
I think Rebbecca is a traitor. In one of Shaun's Emails it says Rebbecca is a Templar.

Oh that was just a joke... read the context in which it was sent.
Now it's possible that Shaun is right, but we don't know that for sure. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I know. It was a joke lol. But at the same time everyone assumes Lucy is a traitor when it could also be Shaun, Rebecca, or heck, even William M(iles). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now THAT is indeed true, I agree. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
But my general theory is that William M. is assassin, I may be wrong though.

DeSabellis
01-06-2011, 07:36 PM
Originally posted by Millhouse3rd:
FFS, can we cut the BS and talk seriously here?

BTW, AC3 will take place in Paris, during the french guillotine revolution. I saw it in the apple. But it would also make sense if it took place in modern Paris, if you take a look at the city you'll see most the buildings have 3-4 floors tops, that because the ancient Paris was built on top of caves and catacombs and ancient tunnels; because of that there's a limit imposed on the maximum height allowed on buildings, otherwise their weight might cause the ground to cave-in and the structure to collapse.

I think we got a good sense of what the modern setting requires: realistic boundaries. It would have to be a city with walls, or a room that is locked. The animus is supposed to be the 'gamey' part- thats why there is no HUD in the modern setting. So, for a setting to work, we need a setting with walls or perhaps a river, or something.


Spoil* (Just play the game already)

As far as the ending, it's safe to say someone messed up. It wasn't supposed to happen like that. Connect the dots- there was a strange van outside the villa, which was noticed by Rebecca. Rebecca is most likely not going to point out the templars if she is one. The templars most likely followed them to Rome and were most likely waiting for the apple to be recovered. Desmond stabs Lucy and they both fall unconscious (or dead for Lucy possibly). Plans change- so what would happen next? The other assassins were located outside of Italy according to Lucy, and the Templars are obviously located in Italy. The templars most likely went into the vault after the apple was activated. Why Desmond was left alive, and why on Earth we hear two different individuals aside from Shaun and Rebecca talking is beyond me.

I would suspect that everyone aside from Desmond is dead or captive. I think it could be equally likely that he is either a prisoner or been recovered by the Assassins.

Avl521
01-07-2011, 10:00 AM
So I'll post it here since it's a theory I guess:


Originally posted by Avl521:
So, As I said, maybe it's nothing at all, maybe it's something, but I just thought about it for some reason.

HUGE WALL OF TEXT INCOMING!:

So at the end of AC:B for those that already finished it (and if you haven't why the heck are you reading this?) and during Subject 16's "Truth" (Glyphs, Rifts and The Truth Level) we learn that Desmond is one of "the children of two worlds", that he has his abilities and potential because of some involvement with TWCB, and both 16 and Juno make references to a Woman.

And to quote:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Subject 16: She is not who you think she is. Everything you hope to become, everything you hold dear, it’s already gone.
Desmond: Explain. Please.
Subject 16: Eden. She... in Eden. Find Eve. The Key. Her DNA.

We see Eve is referenced here, a woman, and as for we know from The "first" truth (The video in AC2) Eve escaped with Adam and stole a POE from TWCB.

Originally posted by Juno57... Actually by Juno:
Juno: On the 72nd day before the moment of awakening. You, birthed from our loins and the loins of our enemies. The end and the beginning, who we abhor and honor. The final journey commences. There is one who would accompany you through the gate. She lies not within our sight. The cross darkens the horizon.


Juno: It is done. The way lies all before you. Only she remains to be found. Awaken the sixth. Go. ALONE!

So, we have a bunch of mentions that Desmond HAS to find HER, EVE.

Now I assume not everyone played Assassin's Creed: Altaïr's Chronicles, a DS game set a year before the events of AC1.
Now in this game, Altaïr is tasked by Al Mualim to find an artifact, much like in AC1, called "The Chalice" said to be an artifact or weapon that could unite ALL under one flag and end the crusades, just like The Apple.

During the course of the game, Altaïr learns that the chalice is located in the Temple Of The Sand, but when he gets there Lord Basilisk (the templar master at that moment.) tells him the Chalice is in fact... *dun dun dun* A Woman!

By the time Altaïr finds her, he recognizes her, her name being Adha.

Adha is the chalice, the supposed "artifact" that can unite everything under one flag. (This hints at some sort of manipulation or power like those present in the POEs. But I won't go into speculation.)
Adha is then kidnapped again, and she leaves without Altaïr being able to do anything about it. However he swears he'll find her.

A year later, during the events of AC1, Adha is briefly mentioned while Altaïr is on his mission to assassinate Abu'l Nuqoud, an informant asks him about Adha, but it seems he has not been able to find her yet.

By Assassin's Creed II, Altaïr has already vanished (That last part of the codex is always puzzling so we don't know the fate of Altaïr...) All we have from Altaïr is the codex.
ONCE AGAIN, Altaïr mentions Adha in it, saying that he was able to find her, but that by the time he got there, she was already dead.
He then mentions in a later codex entry, his love for Maria Thorpe, and mentions that he "had never thought he'd felt about a woman that way again." So he probably loved Adha, was completely torn appart by her death, but then fell in love with Maria... and we know what the naughty Altaïr did with her in ACII http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Also, in one of Abstergo's e-mails in AC1 they mention they will remove "The Grail" from their list of targets... hell I'll just quote:


Originally posted by Alan Rikkin:
Grail - We are removing the Grail from our list of objectives. There is insufficient evidence to confirm its existence. Current examination of Subject Seventeen indicates that aside from the Piece of Eden, all other artifacts related to Christ-figure are literary devices (or derived from Piece of Eden) and not actual objects. Even if the object is real, its use at this stage is negligible. Our resources are better used elsewhere.

According to the whole "myth" of the Holy Grail, it is a Cup or Chalice used by Christ (referenced in the e-mail above too.) during The Last Supper to serve wine.
It's also said the Chalice or Holy Grail was used to catch Christ's Blood. And it's supposed to possess Miraculous powers.
This ties in with the whole Da Vinci Code thing of The Chalice being a woman and the man representing a spear and what not.

Also of note we have the e-mail saying most artifacts related to Christ are most likely POEs or devices created from the Apple. The Shroud. The Papal Staff? If these were indeed creations derived from The Apple, just like Altaïr's Armor... What could have Altaïr done when he looked into The Apple before his death?

Now my point is, that there seems to be a believe that Adha herself was some sort of POE or had powers similar to one, BUT it's also true that when Altaïr got to the Temple of the Sand, there was an empty Golden Chest, so it's possible that there was a POE there, and that Adha was either the POE, or simply guarded one.
If she was indeed a POE or was at the very least "different" from common humans... If Altaïr is one of the "hybrids" that descend from those who came before just like Ezio and Desmond... even Adam himself...

Could it be that Adha was Altaïr's Eve, and just like that, Desmond must find the Modern incarnation/descendant of Adha/Eve??

I'm just going on a bit of a stretch here, but hell, at this point anything that keeps me thinking about AC after AC:B will satisfy my need for another dose of the franchise http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Plus the whole Eve and Adha being the "chalice" are quite a deal... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ACII_Addicted
01-07-2011, 12:53 PM
Guys, Guys...
Remember what the developers are always saying what Assassin's Creed really is about...?
A guy entering a machine called "The Animus" and re-lives the life of his ancestors?

No way they'll put the whole story during 2012...
Animus was,is, and will be (in my opinion) the primary and most defining thing in the Assassin's Creed Universe...

LordWolv
01-07-2011, 01:55 PM
I don't know.. I definately don't want to see the animus forgotten, but I want Desmond to be more of an assassin. I mean, the main point was originally for the animus to be training. I personally want about 40% as desmond and 60% in the animus in the next game, and I want desmond doing some epic free running and assassinating! The only assassinating in ACB as desmond was unwanted.. You know what I mean.

chizzy12
01-07-2011, 02:56 PM
Altair said things in his codex. LOTS OF THINGS. I'm going to SKIP explaining those THINGS and get straight to the point.

Altair IS Ezio. Altair IS Desmond. The apple made it so. He just doesn't know it



WOW.

Alpha Ender
01-08-2011, 02:13 AM
@ chizzy12; No, he's not. You see Ezio be born. You don't see Desmond being born, true, but that's beyond the point because TWCB never found a way to live forever. While from 1191 to 2012 isn't forever, that's much longer than they would have been able to do, ignoring that somehow the technology would have had to have Altair go back to a baby, change nationalities, and go into the womb, as well as have Ezio later do the same thing but for Desmond.

As far as what I think the next game will hold (or at least, I hope it will hold); either France or America (revolutionary ages). Reasons: the Masons. Everyone believes the Masons to be an extension of the Templars. Somewhere in the game (sorry about the vagueness) I remember someone saying that the Templars didn't disappear; they just went underground. They melded into other groups, like the Freemasons, Illuminati, whatever you want to say.

America was chock full of Masons (and of high degrees) during the Revolutionary War and the times that followed. One of the glyphs in ACII already shows George Washington with a PoE (the Apple). France, as many of you have pointed out, is the only place where those two symbols show up together (credit: Shaun). France was also where the Templar Order was destroyed, where the Freemasons held a lot of power (as well as Scotland), and would be an excellent point in time to play in.

This all being said: there will be a shat load of playing in 2012. You have to find the Vaults to save humanity. You have to stop the Templars from locating other PoE's. You have to stop the Templars from launching their satellite. You may have to find the Shroud to save Lucy (depends on if she was a traitor or not). You have to find out what's going on with Subject 16. Who is William? To whom do the voices belong at the end of ACB? All of these things HAVE to be answered in ACIII.

Good luck Ubisoft.

--Man, I really need to get a signature. Someone please PM me and tell me how to make one.

LordWolv
01-08-2011, 02:59 AM
I don't think Lucy is dead.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

@AlphaEnder
I've sent you a PM about how to make a sig!

DaVe_RoCk_
01-08-2011, 12:10 PM
i recomend you to read "The Lost Symbol" by Dan Brown its very interesting and it talks about masons, wich has to be something related with the assassins. O.o

megfiregoddess
01-08-2011, 12:39 PM
Okay, Warning!!! This is going to be a LONG post! LOL.

Okay, I know EXACTLY where they are going. The Cradle of Civilization, also known as the Fertile Crescent. Is located in the Middle East on which, Masyaf lays. Which is supposed to be the ancient home of the Assassins. In actuality, the creator of the Assassins lived in Alamut, Iran. Alamut, which translates to "Eagle's Nest" is where the ?ash?sh?n were established and later moved on to establish a HQ in Masyaf.
I believe this is where the game is going. After all both Altiar and Ezio have names linked to avians and Alamut is the Eagle's Nest. Plus, if you read the Wiki on Alamut, you find it is the Alamut valley borders a mountain range called Alamkuh, or "The Throne of Solomon". On the steps of Solomon's Throne was a depiction of 12 golden lions each facing a golden eagle. The symbol of King Richard was a lion. The ever-occurring theme of the Assassins, an eagle. Coincidence? I think Not.
As said at the end of ACB, Desmond was placed back in the Animus because he was in shock and it was the only way to stabilize him. As the Animus did not look like the one at Abstergo, I think its safe to assume that they were all found by the Assassins and taken somewhere safe, somewhere where they could decipher the puzzle of Eve, Eden and the Apple. I believe this place will be Alamut as it is the root of everything. Besides, Eden is obviously going to be somewhere on the fertile crescent because civilization was supposed to have started there. It was probably the home of TWCB and when humanity rebelled, their cities were lost and civilization began again.
As for Eve, I believe Eve is actually the descendant of Eve, of which Adha could have been one. After all, The Holy Grail captured the blood of Christ and therefore the blood of god. As TWCB were known as gods, it is safe to theorize that the descendants of Adam and Eve who were cast from Eden when they ate the forbidden fruit of the tree of knowledge, still exist and contain the blood of TWCB as Adam and Eve were obviously children of two worlds.
So, I can see the beginning of AC3 already. Desmond will still be in the Animus at the beginning but will come to find that Lucy is dead and that in order to save the world he will have to continue to use the Animus to find a woman who is the descendant of Adam and Eve. Therefore the new "Eve" and take her and the Apple back to Eden to activate a machine to stabilize the sun which is probably located in various pyramids/temples around the world. We probably won't get to see the actual saving of the world in AC3 (not that we want to because then there won't be an AC4. lol!) but we will definitely get to find out HOW Desmond is going to accomplish this great task.

Okay, Not as long as I thought it would be but still, interesting right? LMAO!

Avl521
01-08-2011, 02:48 PM
Originally posted by megfiregoddess:
Okay, Warning!!! This is going to be a LONG post! LOL.

Okay, I know EXACTLY where they are going. The Cradle of Civilization, also known as the Fertile Crescent. Is located in the Middle East on which, Masyaf lays. Which is supposed to be the ancient home of the Assassins. In actuality, the creator of the Assassins lived in Alamut, Iran. Alamut, which translates to "Eagle's Nest" is where the ?ash?sh?n were established and later moved on to establish a HQ in Masyaf.
I believe this is where the game is going. After all both Altiar and Ezio have names linked to avians and Alamut is the Eagle's Nest. Plus, if you read the Wiki on Alamut, you find it is the Alamut valley borders a mountain range called Alamkuh, or "The Throne of Solomon". On the steps of Solomon's Throne was a depiction of 12 golden lions each facing a golden eagle. The symbol of King Richard was a lion. The ever-occurring theme of the Assassins, an eagle. Coincidence? I think Not.
As said at the end of ACB, Desmond was placed back in the Animus because he was in shock and it was the only way to stabilize him. As the Animus did not look like the one at Abstergo, I think its safe to assume that they were all found by the Assassins and taken somewhere safe, somewhere where they could decipher the puzzle of Eve, Eden and the Apple. I believe this place will be Alamut as it is the root of everything. Besides, Eden is obviously going to be somewhere on the fertile crescent because civilization was supposed to have started there. It was probably the home of TWCB and when humanity rebelled, their cities were lost and civilization began again.
As for Eve, I believe Eve is actually the descendant of Eve, of which Adha could have been one. After all, The Holy Grail captured the blood of Christ and therefore the blood of god. As TWCB were known as gods, it is safe to theorize that the descendants of Adam and Eve who were cast from Eden when they ate the forbidden fruit of the tree of knowledge, still exist and contain the blood of TWCB as Adam and Eve were obviously children of two worlds.
So, I can see the beginning of AC3 already. Desmond will still be in the Animus at the beginning but will come to find that Lucy is dead and that in order to save the world he will have to continue to use the Animus to find a woman who is the descendant of Adam and Eve. Therefore the new "Eve" and take her and the Apple back to Eden to activate a machine to stabilize the sun which is probably located in various pyramids/temples around the world. We probably won't get to see the actual saving of the world in AC3 (not that we want to because then there won't be an AC4. lol!) but we will definitely get to find out HOW Desmond is going to accomplish this great task.

Okay, Not as long as I thought it would be but still, interesting right? LMAO!

Yeah, I agree with the Adha/Eve part.
I posted a theoryabout it which you can read a few posts above...

And sorry to break your whole AC3 in the fertile crescent and masyaf and alamut but:

**** I can't link to it for some reason so:
Assassin's Creed: Lost Legacy.
http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Assassin's_Creed:_Lost_Legacy (http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Assassin)
For some F****ing reason I can't link to it properly http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

That game is for the 3DS.
We don't know yet what will happen in AC3, and it certainly won't be the same as Lost Legacy.

megfiregoddess
01-08-2011, 04:51 PM
I read about lost legacy but I don't see how it debunks my theory about Desmond and the Fertile Crescent. In fact, it almost makes it more likely.

See, if Ezio goes to Masyaf, it will be for a reason. What if he discovers something? It just sets up a potential middle-east plotline for AC3. Besides, if Ezio travels to Masyaf, it is potential to add a new plot thread for AC3, such as the introduction of an even earlier (or maybe one between Ezio and Altair) ancestor.

Avl521
01-08-2011, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by megfiregoddess:
I read about lost legacy but I don't see how it debunks my theory about Desmond and the Fertile Crescent. In fact, it almost makes it more likely.

See, if Ezio goes to Masyaf, it will be for a reason. What if he discovers something? It just sets up a potential middle-east plotline for AC3. Besides, if Ezio travels to Masyaf, it is potential to add a new plot thread for AC3, such as the introduction of an even earlier (or maybe one between Ezio and Altair) ancestor.

It's not that it disproves your theory.

It's just that here's what's gonna happen:
Just as with the previous DS games, and the PSP games, even though the stories presented in the games are cannon and part of the main one, Ubi knows not everyone plays these games.
So they're not that prominent or mentioned in the main trilogy.
Which is why it's very unlikely Ubisoft will make Lost Legacy, and then make a game that revolves around what Ezio finds there, since to begin with, not many people will play the DS game and then would be lost when they come to AC3.
The most accurate guess is still france, with the DS game being completely without Desmond as these handheld games have always been.
And then in AC3, Desmond must find Eve, he must stop the end of the world and Lost Legacy will be merely mentioned.

I really doubt they'll make another console game in Middle east, considering how many hints there are to France, the fact they'll have a DS game about Masyaf.
It's just me, but I don't think Ubisoft will go all Masyaf on us after having 3 games in middle east, considering not everyone plays the games, and seeing how Desmond only has 72 days to wake up from his shock, stop the satellite launch, stop the solar flare that will burn us all, stop Juno's freakingly evil intentions, do something about Lucy, find Eve in modern times, most likely kill Vidic and/or Alan Rikkin... There's too much to do for Desmond in modern times in just 72 days, to have AC3 revolve around a DS game not everyone will play/know about/care.
The fact they did Lost Legacy for DS in my opinion almost entirely denies a Main Console game around what Ezio finds again.
It's time for a new ancestor, a new and not seen before time period, and much more Desmond as an actual assassin.

megfiregoddess
01-08-2011, 05:30 PM
I'm not saying that Ezio is going to be the main character for AC3. Its been said by many that he won't be and I never said based around the DS3 game, just that it could introduce something, something that could be introduced AGAIN in AC3. They've done that before. With the cutscene about Altair and Maria.
Besides, I just don't see how revolution France would fit. The country was in such turmoil that Assassination wouldn't have to be done. You could walk right up to someone and shoot them in the face and no one would blink twice. If they would do anything, they would set it during the time of Nepolian and even then, he is too well known to give any leway for creativity. No, they'll more than likely pick something you'll never see coming. Possibly moving to the American Revolution or going to New Orleans during Revolutionary times. Now THAT would be awesome!
Anyways, I was talking about Alamut as being the place Desmond goes. Not his ancestor. His ancestor could go anywhere. Strictly speaking about 2012, Desmond could go to Alamut and be researching the location of Eden while trying to find Eve in his family memories. Eve could be anywhere. Eden, on the other hand, can't if Ubi wants to stay true to history.

Avl521
01-08-2011, 06:51 PM
About Ezio... that's EXACTLY my point.
Based on previous experiences, Ubi WON'T go with introducing something in Lost Legacy that then comes into play in a BIG way for the next game.

AC1 came before AC:AC, so technically they briefly mention Adha before they even explain who she was.
Maria was introduced in AC1. She's explained more in AC: Bloodlines... and all we see from her in AC2 is ONE scene.
The Codex is ontroduced in Bloodlines, in AC2 we find the pages, get some upgrades, and information on Altaïr's life after the games.
In AC: Discovery, Ezio meets Cristobal Colon in Spain. Yet we hear nothing from him in AC:B or the last sequences in AC2.

Point? Although what happens in the DS/PSP games seems to be cannon, it's NEVER made prominent enough in the main trilogy because NOT EVERYONE plays the DS/PSP games.

Which is why whatever happens in AC:LL won't be prominent enough to make it into the main AC3 plot. It may give some hints, help us understand something better, but it WON'T set us up or give us something super important for the next game.

And about Desmond, it's hard to imagine him getting anywhere away from Italy considering it is mentioned that the Templars are watching the borders. Let alone from Europe.

All I'm saying is, your theory is great, I admit it, my point being that what you mention in your theory will most likely happen when in AC:LL.
After that, we'll see AC3 most likely when Desmond wakes up with whoever took him at the end of AC:B. And they're gonna discuss A LOT of things.
Also, in the truth video we see Adam and Eve escaping and at the background we see a mountain that clearly resembles Mount Kilimanjaro, or Mount Fuji.


Actually looking at it well... The image is too big so I'll post the link
Adam And Eve (http://images.wikia.com/assassinscreed/images/2/2d/Adam_and_Eve.png)

And looking at the video, if you pause it at 0:31 and at 0:33 ...
The Truth (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agstBesxbuk&feature=player_embedded)

... You can see the mount behind them, and where Eden is, has a distinctive white/snow cover and seems flat at the summit.

Just like... this:
http://www.boncherry.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/mount-kilimanjaro.jpg

So it's not Mount Fuji (Though Mount Fuji is so cool too.) but it SEEMS to be Mount Kilimanjaro.
Where the supposed Cradle Of Life is... according to Tomb Raider lol.

That's all I'm saying, I think your theory explains what happens in AC:LL, but not what will happen in AC3.

And I'll just leave it like that, I actually commented on your theory because I found it interesting, while I tend to not comment about theories that are not well developed or well backed up. But from now on I'll just post here when I have a new theory of my own... although I already posted my 2 best evidence rants in here Lol.

TheSpectator
01-08-2011, 07:02 PM
France. Not masyaf. All evidence points to france.
No evidence points to Masyaf.

Avl521
01-08-2011, 07:13 PM
Originally posted by TheSpectator:
France. Not masyaf. All evidence points to france.
No evidence points to Masyaf.

This is what I've been saying for so long... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif
I even posted here a list of so many facts and hints that point to france... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

mschweiz
01-08-2011, 08:42 PM
i think it would be really cool if the animus or past part of AC3 took place in Greece, or more specifically the Trojan Wars. this would make sense if it was the templars attacking the Assassins. also all the stories of the gods coming to the battle fields could be explained by lots of people possessing the POE.

megfiregoddess
01-09-2011, 12:43 PM
I read about the theories concerning a possible French setting and have found no concrete evidence but I really do hope they do not set it during WWII as many are saying. Its been done so many times. Ubisoft (so far) has been completely unique with their settings for AC. After all, there was no mention of a Italian Renaissance setting until they started putting out videos about development and people had been putting out red herrings about a setting in WWII then as well. Besides, I never said it was going to be in Masyaf, which I have no idea why I mentioned it in the first place as people just kept harping on it when I was talking about Alamut, not Masyaf. Which I could see where it might be a wrong theory but according to historical facts (which so far Ubi has been very keen on) Alamut is a perfect place to set a sequel. Maybe not AC3 but it could be later down the line and I'm still holding on to my theory that Alamut will come into play eventually.

As for The Truth:
http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt199/megfiregoddess/TheTruthMountain.jpg

That could be a lot of mountains. Specifically ones that no longer look the way they did back in those days.

To name the most liekly:

http://scienceblogs.com/eruptions/EtnaP1-1.jpg

Mt. Vesuvius whose depiction from before the explosion looks just like that mountain, which includes a bump on the side of it that Kilimanjaro does not have.
As seen Here:
http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt199/megfiregoddess/TheTruthMountains2.jpg

Besides, Minerva said that when she died her name was Minerva but before that Merva and Mera, the Etruscan equivalents of Minerva, so all her names came from Italian civilizations. So that means she died during the Roman times when Vesuvius erupted in Italy.

I don't think it would be Kilaminjaro. There is nothing around Kilaminjaro (no artifacts, no mention of any culture other than the local tribes who migrated there from Kenya)If TWCB had created a city there, it would be likely that some sort of evidence would have been left. Even in the form of an ancient city built where it once was. If humanity was created there, do you really think they would leave just because TWCB did? I don't think so. Also, it wouldn't make sense that TWCB would be known by Roman names when Kilaminjaro is in Tanzania far from the Roman Empire.

More likely are volcanos who have changed over time and who have erupted and destroyed major cities. After all, Juno said that the things they left behind were cleansed by fire, flood and famine. Making their city destroyed by volcano more likely than any other means.

Avl521
01-09-2011, 01:07 PM
It can indeed be a lot of mountains or volcanoes, but even then, Vesuvius looks a lot pointier, and the mountain behind has a rather flat summit.

What I pointed about Masyaf/the middle east setting actually, is that it has already been done by Ubi, and will be done again in the 3DS game.
So I don't think they'll do it again. Maybe in another game, or a spin off, but not the main trilogy.

And you have found no concrete evidence pointing to france? really?
Well ok, I respect your opinion.

And you see, the fact here is we are discussing this, but we agree, we're actually on *almost* the same side.

You state:
"I really do hope they do not set it during WWII as many are saying."
I agree with you completely there.

You also say:
"Maybe not AC3 but it could be later down the line and I'm still holding on to my theory that Alamut will come into play eventually."
That's the same point I've been stating, I think your theory is valid, accurate, BUT not for AC3, in my opinion they mmight make a spin off in Alamut/Masyaf/Middle East, but I don't think it will be AC3.

As for the truth:
I still think Mt. Kilimanjaro the most likely.
It has a flat summit, it has a valley around it.
If you look closely, the mountain from the truth DOES NOT have a bump at the side, that's a cloud.
I could also look for a better pic of Kilimanjaro.
And Minerva didn't have to die when the Vesuvius erupted.
The Truth happens in an unknown date BCE, but the references don't point exactly to volcanic cataclysm, they point to a solar flare.
The only volcanic explosion mentioned in AC is the 75ka Volcano which happened in Indonesia and even then, it is stated that it WAS NOT a volcano, but a solar flare activity.
And it happened about 70.000 years ago.
That is mst likely when TWCB died.

Tanktric
01-09-2011, 01:18 PM
I think Desmond will access another ancestor who is a spanish conquistador and has travelled to the new world to find the fountain of youth or the tree of life.His ancestor funds the expedition but little does he know the templars came over and took over the expedition with an army, they begin slaughtering the mayans and aztecs when the come over( as part of real history) but Des' Ancestor is banished, a group of assassin's left now team up with the native americans to find where they are keeping the POE( in an underground mayan temple) and beat the templars to it. They then make their stand on the temple and guard the POE. The mayans are all slaughtered and the keeper give the POE to the assassins, they go back to Europe with it in secrecy.

The next ancestor doesn't necessarily have to come from a later time period then Ezio, they could have upgraded the animus and discovered a repressed memory, giving access to an earlier Ancestor.

crash3
01-09-2011, 02:27 PM
loved ACB, now i think the french revolution would be the place to go. the game needs better graphics, also the next assassin should have a more discreet outfit not some gleaming white robe thing. also a good as the combat was in ACB, the guards are still TOO EASY! we are supposed to be playing as an assassin, not some invincible warrior. also the main story of ACB was too short in relation to the massive number of secondary missions available which by the way were brilliant-just lengthen main story-AC2 was a perfect length

megfiregoddess
01-09-2011, 02:32 PM
I'm agreeing with you Avl. Your probably right about it not being AC3. As I looked more at the rumors its looking like its going to have to deal more with a later time.

BTW, I wish I could have posted the concept drawing I found of Herculaneum and Vesuvius before the eruption. I'm serious, it looked JUST LIKE the picture from the video. Supposedly, before Vesuvius erupted it had a more even top but that it was deformed by the eruption. Makes sense, right? That it would be a mountain in Italy rather than one in southern Africa.

I'm basing my thoughts that its not Kilimanjaro off of my father who has actually been to it and who said that it didn't look like the one from the game shot I took. And the could wasn't the bump I was talking about. If I was better with paintshop I would point it out to you but unfortunately I am at a bit of handicap when it comes to putting a square around a piece of a picture. LOL. But its on the opposite side and is only a slight bump that is absent on Kilimanjaro. All the pictures I've seen (researched it much I did after what you posted) are missing that bump and my dad said he didn't remember it either.

I mean, it could be Kilimanjaro and the bump could have eroded (common when talking about landscapes over time) but I seriously doubt it. I just think the base of the mountain in the video is too wide to be Kilimanjaro.

But who knows? Maybe Ubi didn't do their computer graphic design of Kilimanjaro accurately and you're right. Still, I'm not so sure.

I think you should look more at the rumors about France. Or at least PM me what you found because most of what I found was posted by theorists who claim that it would be a good setting and that Ubisoft agreed that it might be. Not that they are actually going in that direction. Besides, I've seen more about a possible WWII setting than a Revolutionary France setting. I'm actually sorta hoping that they go with Revolutionary America (I don't know who posted earlier that America got their ideas for Revolution from France but they need to read up on their history a bit more) because it would finally lay to rest whether or not the Masons were truly connected to the Templars.

Tanktric, I love your idea about traveling with the Spanish but it doesn't seem practical to me. I doubt they would be able to create an open-world setting like what is found in AC in South America. I mean, it makes sense considering that it has been established that the temples are probably the ones in South America but I just don't see how you keep the game play feel of AC when you set it in a jungle.

Final Thought: Does anyone else think that Subject 16 is going to play A LOT bigger role than anyone truly believes?
He's already playing a giant role but only when it comes to giving information through the animus. I think were actually going to get to meet him soon. The actual him, not just a graphic representation.

crash3
01-09-2011, 03:01 PM
weve had day and night, now it would be good to see different weather types. desmonds story should not be rushed because it would be amazing to visit loads of different time periods. desmond needs to test out his bleeding effect skills by assassinating a templar from abstergo. also is desmond reliving all the ancestors 16 relived? how are desmond and subject 16 related?

crash3
01-09-2011, 03:24 PM
get rid of feathers and flags because theyre boring now, especially as the rewards for them are only silly capes. also get rid of the randomly placed treasure chests instead make missions out of them where you sneek into a templar owned bank and rob the chests or something

Avl521
01-09-2011, 08:46 PM
Originally posted by megfiregoddess:
I'm agreeing with you Avl. Your probably right about it not being AC3. As I looked more at the rumors its looking like its going to have to deal more with a later time.

BTW, I wish I could have posted the concept drawing I found of Herculaneum and Vesuvius before the eruption. I'm serious, it looked JUST LIKE the picture from the video. Supposedly, before Vesuvius erupted it had a more even top but that it was deformed by the eruption. Makes sense, right? That it would be a mountain in Italy rather than one in southern Africa.

I'm basing my thoughts that its not Kilimanjaro off of my father who has actually been to it and who said that it didn't look like the one from the game shot I took. And the could wasn't the bump I was talking about. If I was better with paintshop I would point it out to you but unfortunately I am at a bit of handicap when it comes to putting a square around a piece of a picture. LOL. But its on the opposite side and is only a slight bump that is absent on Kilimanjaro. All the pictures I've seen (researched it much I did after what you posted) are missing that bump and my dad said he didn't remember it either.

I mean, it could be Kilimanjaro and the bump could have eroded (common when talking about landscapes over time) but I seriously doubt it. I just think the base of the mountain in the video is too wide to be Kilimanjaro.

But who knows? Maybe Ubi didn't do their computer graphic design of Kilimanjaro accurately and you're right. Still, I'm not so sure.

I think you should look more at the rumors about France. Or at least PM me what you found because most of what I found was posted by theorists who claim that it would be a good setting and that Ubisoft agreed that it might be. Not that they are actually going in that direction. Besides, I've seen more about a possible WWII setting than a Revolutionary France setting. I'm actually sorta hoping that they go with Revolutionary America (I don't know who posted earlier that America got their ideas for Revolution from France but they need to read up on their history a bit more) because it would finally lay to rest whether or not the Masons were truly connected to the Templars.

Tanktric, I love your idea about traveling with the Spanish but it doesn't seem practical to me. I doubt they would be able to create an open-world setting like what is found in AC in South America. I mean, it makes sense considering that it has been established that the temples are probably the ones in South America but I just don't see how you keep the game play feel of AC when you set it in a jungle.

Final Thought: Does anyone else think that Subject 16 is going to play A LOT bigger role than anyone truly believes?
He's already playing a giant role but only when it comes to giving information through the animus. I think were actually going to get to meet him soon. The actual him, not just a graphic representation.

Yeah I mean I could totally be wrong though, and you may be right about it not being Kilimanjaro, I just don't remember any other mountain with a white/snow cover that looks flattened on top. So yeah I could be wrong.

And yeah, it's very common for volcanoes to change/erode/be completely destroyed after an eruption so saying it's Vesuvius is possible.
Actually the best example of this is Krakatoa.
The Volcano erupted in 1883 killing about 40.000 people, and in the process, it destroyed itself and about... damn I don't remember if it was 1/3 or 2/3 of the island... anyways the explosion was strong enough to destroy the volcano and part of the island.
So yeah, volcanoes can change drastically over time, it's possible for Vesuvius to have been the mountain we see, and after the eruption be changed into how it looks today.

However... looking into it more, I think the game states the 75ka was the one that destroyed TWCB... not entirely sure though, but according to the game it was not an eruption, it was a solar flare.

And yeah I suppose I could PM you my "theory" about why the next game would be in France. I've posted it before hehe, so I just have to copy and paste.
Now WWII I know they won't do that, Ubi has always said they'd rather use unique and not overused and cliched time periods, so I don't think they'll be using WWII or Japan anytime soon.

And about America, I don't know enough about the conditions/situation during that time, I admittedly haven't looked much into it. I don't think the cities would be big enough... but since I don't know much, I refrain from arguing about America.

megfiregoddess
01-10-2011, 01:50 AM
New Orleans was HUGE during the American Revolution. Most of the old city around today was around during the Revolution as NO was a big port for France up until the Louisiana Purchase. If they were to create a AC game for the American Revolution, it would most likely be here as it wasn't completely in the action of the times but it was still a center for a lot of political plays.

Boston was also pretty big and a center point for a lot of Revolutionary battles. Everyone knows Paul Revere and the Boston Tea Party.

Philadelphia was as well and was where the Constitution was signed. Again, most of the old districts of Phili were what made up Philadelphia during the Revolution and was the biggest center for a lot of action by the Revolutionary powers of the time.

Actually, I think if they were to create a AR setting for AC, it would probably include multiple cities like in AC1&2 because there was no way for so much to be covered if the character remained in one city.
As for the volcano theory, Minerva said that both TWCB and humanity survived the solar flare but that they were very few. According to her, together they rebuilt the world but that TWCB could not escape death/time and were eventually lost. I agree that a solar flare occured, that was obvious but I'm theorizing that a volcano wiped out what was left of TWCB after they and humanity rebuilt the world. That is why so little is known of them and the the only things left of them are their last accounts and of the POEs they left behind.

Avl521
01-10-2011, 04:44 AM
Theory thought after playing Project Legacy:

More to point it out since no one seems to have written about it yet.

We all wondered what's with that whole last moments with Cesare at Viana.
The whole "No man can murder me!" issue kept everyone kinda asking what he meant.

Now playing through Project Legacy, we have a prominent part of the game that involves The Shroud.

Now, there's a memory on the Holiday pack of Project Legacy in which Assassins claim that it seems the Shroud shows the shape/image of the last man it healed. And that the image has changed through history to match the last man that somehow used it?

There's also a Mnemonic set called The Shroud Of Turin. It's pieces are: Jesus Of Nazareth, Jacques De Molay, Geoffroi De Charnay and... Cesare Borgia?

It has been stated by some historians that it is possible that the images of Jesus of the time were inspired by Cesare's looks, and he certainly looks similar to the common description of Jesus, so, knowing that the modern Shroud Of Turin supposedly has the image of Jesus Of Nazareth in it...

Is it possible the actual person in this image that's present on the shroud is Cesare Borgia?

joaomuas
01-10-2011, 03:33 PM
We all know this has something to do with the Mayans, because of the references to them and the date of the global disaster of December 21st 2012.
It also has something to do with the Illuminati, and we can know that by lots of references to them throughout the games including people, places and events and thanks to the symbolism. Believe it or not, all the glyphs and symbols and text written in blood are Illuminati symbolism with a few exceptions. There are lots of references to them in the whole franchise and even the Great Seal of the USA is Illuminati symbolism.
Now my guess is that Desmond will find some Mayans through the next game(s) that will present him with theories, beliefs and facts, among other things that will create a lot of plot twists, and that the Templars are a deep corporation that is completing a great part of the Illuminati plans. There will be other things related to different religions and theories that will create some of the best plots ever in gaming and personally, I think this has something to do with the Holy Grail. It fits really well in the franchise plot and there are references to it in the first one so I think there is something related to it too.

I have lots of other theories, but I just can't explain them here, because this franchise keeps surprising me over and over, making my theories right and wrong at the same time. Totally right, or terribly wrong.


What I meant with all of this was that Assassin's Creed is such an awesome franchise that we don't need to worry. It always delivers good stories and high quality, so we just need to wait to see what next mind-blowing twist they are going to give us!

megfiregoddess
01-10-2011, 04:38 PM
Oh yes, most definitely, Cesare had to have been connected to something other than the apple to make him think he is so immortal. I've heard a lot of evidence to support Cesare being healed with the shroud. During what time, I'm not sure but it more than likely happened between the last stand of Cesare in Rome and his final defeat.

As for the Illuminati, they share ties with the Templars and Freemasons so it isn't likely they'll come into play as a major power. After all, the Illuminati are said to have their hands in every cookie jar, just like the Templars. I doubt Ubi would introduce a Templar competitor.

Dragonfire126
01-11-2011, 11:49 AM
I think that AC3 will be in Paris, Desmond will have been in the Animus for so long that Desmond benefits from the Bleeding Effect, and he will be able to "see" into the past, or through his ancestors eyes if you will, without the Animus.

All theories, speculations ect.

Congrats to Ubi and the team behind Assassins's Creed for making such a captivating game!

beatledude210
01-11-2011, 10:16 PM
Originally posted by Avl521:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by megfiregoddess:
I'm agreeing with you Avl. Your probably right about it not being AC3. As I looked more at the rumors its looking like its going to have to deal more with a later time.

BTW, I wish I could have posted the concept drawing I found of Herculaneum and Vesuvius before the eruption. I'm serious, it looked JUST LIKE the picture from the video. Supposedly, before Vesuvius erupted it had a more even top but that it was deformed by the eruption. Makes sense, right? That it would be a mountain in Italy rather than one in southern Africa.

I'm basing my thoughts that its not Kilimanjaro off of my father who has actually been to it and who said that it didn't look like the one from the game shot I took. And the could wasn't the bump I was talking about. If I was better with paintshop I would point it out to you but unfortunately I am at a bit of handicap when it comes to putting a square around a piece of a picture. LOL. But its on the opposite side and is only a slight bump that is absent on Kilimanjaro. All the pictures I've seen (researched it much I did after what you posted) are missing that bump and my dad said he didn't remember it either.

I mean, it could be Kilimanjaro and the bump could have eroded (common when talking about landscapes over time) but I seriously doubt it. I just think the base of the mountain in the video is too wide to be Kilimanjaro.

But who knows? Maybe Ubi didn't do their computer graphic design of Kilimanjaro accurately and you're right. Still, I'm not so sure.

I think you should look more at the rumors about France. Or at least PM me what you found because most of what I found was posted by theorists who claim that it would be a good setting and that Ubisoft agreed that it might be. Not that they are actually going in that direction. Besides, I've seen more about a possible WWII setting than a Revolutionary France setting. I'm actually sorta hoping that they go with Revolutionary America (I don't know who posted earlier that America got their ideas for Revolution from France but they need to read up on their history a bit more) because it would finally lay to rest whether or not the Masons were truly connected to the Templars.

Tanktric, I love your idea about traveling with the Spanish but it doesn't seem practical to me. I doubt they would be able to create an open-world setting like what is found in AC in South America. I mean, it makes sense considering that it has been established that the temples are probably the ones in South America but I just don't see how you keep the game play feel of AC when you set it in a jungle.

Final Thought: Does anyone else think that Subject 16 is going to play A LOT bigger role than anyone truly believes?
He's already playing a giant role but only when it comes to giving information through the animus. I think were actually going to get to meet him soon. The actual him, not just a graphic representation.

Yeah I mean I could totally be wrong though, and you may be right about it not being Kilimanjaro, I just don't remember any other mountain with a white/snow cover that looks flattened on top. So yeah I could be wrong.

And yeah, it's very common for volcanoes to change/erode/be completely destroyed after an eruption so saying it's Vesuvius is possible.
Actually the best example of this is Krakatoa.
The Volcano erupted in 1883 killing about 40.000 people, and in the process, it destroyed itself and about... damn I don't remember if it was 1/3 or 2/3 of the island... anyways the explosion was strong enough to destroy the volcano and part of the island.
So yeah, volcanoes can change drastically over time, it's possible for Vesuvius to have been the mountain we see, and after the eruption be changed into how it looks today.

However... looking into it more, I think the game states the 75ka was the one that destroyed TWCB... not entirely sure though, but according to the game it was not an eruption, it was a solar flare.

And yeah I suppose I could PM you my "theory" about why the next game would be in France. I've posted it before hehe, so I just have to copy and paste.
Now WWII I know they won't do that, Ubi has always said they'd rather use unique and not overused and cliched time periods, so I don't think they'll be using WWII or Japan anytime soon.

And about America, I don't know enough about the conditions/situation during that time, I admittedly haven't looked much into it. I don't think the cities would be big enough... but since I don't know much, I refrain from arguing about America. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> I take it you are thinking of Revolutionary war era of America? The cities were not tiny, they weren't Paris or London by all means, but cities like Boston, New York and Philadelphia were the about the same size if not bigger than cities like Forli or Tuscany from Ac2. But who's to say you can only play in America? Who's to say you can't visit places like London or Paris? It would be like Venice and Florence( Paris, London) Forli and Tuscany(Boston, New York, and Phillie)

beatledude210
01-11-2011, 10:29 PM
Originally posted by megfiregoddess:
New Orleans was HUGE during the American Revolution. Most of the old city around today was around during the Revolution as NO was a big port for France up until the Louisiana Purchase. If they were to create a AC game for the American Revolution, it would most likely be here as it wasn't completely in the action of the times but it was still a center for a lot of political plays.

Boston was also pretty big and a center point for a lot of Revolutionary battles. Everyone knows Paul Revere and the Boston Tea Party.

Philadelphia was as well and was where the Constitution was signed. Again, most of the old districts of Phili were what made up Philadelphia during the Revolution and was the biggest center for a lot of action by the Revolutionary powers of the time.

Actually, I think if they were to create a AR setting for AC, it would probably include multiple cities like in AC1&2 because there was no way for so much to be covered if the character remained in one city.
As for the volcano theory, Minerva said that both TWCB and humanity survived the solar flare but that they were very few. According to her, together they rebuilt the world but that TWCB could not escape death/time and were eventually lost. I agree that a solar flare occured, that was obvious but I'm theorizing that a volcano wiped out what was left of TWCB after they and humanity rebuilt the world. That is why so little is known of them and the the only things left of them are their last accounts and of the POEs they left behind. I definitely agree, The American Revolution would be the perfect setting i think, but it'd be cool to also travel to places like London. And, there was this guy who had a cool idea, since the American revolution and the french revolution's time intervened and went on during the same time, why not allow the player to go to Paris also. You'd be fighting in two major wars. Imagine visiting places like Boston, Phillie, and New York, and then places like Paris and London. I mean the traveling from the two countries would be kind of strange but i think it would be cool. But in the long run, the two revolutions would be a perfect setting for me. And was New Orleans pretty big? I didn't know that.

megfiregoddess
01-12-2011, 05:18 PM
Yes, if you look at the history of New Orleans it was a huge place of political turmoil during the AR as France was a huge ally of ours and sent a lot of troops through the port of NO. If you wanna combine old-world with new world NO would be the place to do it.

Here is some basic information of their role in the Revolution


During the American Revolutionary War, New Orleans was an important port to smuggle aid to the rebels, transporting military equipment and supplies up the Mississippi River. Bernardo de Gálvez y Madrid, Count of Gálvez launched the southern campaign against the British from the city in 1779. (Via Wikipedia.org (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orleans))

TheSpectator
01-12-2011, 07:26 PM
We're going to france. They did everything short of pointing it out on a map.

beatledude210
01-12-2011, 09:36 PM
Originally posted by megfiregoddess:
Yes, if you look at the history of New Orleans it was a huge place of political turmoil during the AR as France was a huge ally of ours and sent a lot of troops through the port of NO. If you wanna combine old-world with new world NO would be the place to do it.

Here is some basic information of their role in the Revolution

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">During the American Revolutionary War, New Orleans was an important port to smuggle aid to the rebels, transporting military equipment and supplies up the Mississippi River. Bernardo de Gálvez y Madrid, Count of Gálvez launched the southern campaign against the British from the city in 1779. (Via Wikipedia.org (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orleans)) </div></BLOCKQUOTE> That way cool, i didn't know that. But I'd like to see Boston, Phillie, and New York too, wouldn't you? And what do you think about the traveling to Europe part that the one guy thought up? I think it's cool.

megfiregoddess
01-13-2011, 09:17 AM
Originally posted by TheSpectator:
We're going to france. They did everything short of pointing it out on a map.

Come on, really? what concrete evidence do you have that Ubi has said its going to be France? If you've been able to find it, let me know cuz I haven't.

Anyways Beatle, I'd love to see it during the American Revolution And I could see them moving from city to city throughout the game but I don't see them going overseas if they make it during the AR. It just seems to complicated and unrealistic to get on a boat during that time period more than maybe once. If they do go overseas it will be for like one mission than back to America. It would make a good opening though for the character to be sailing from Europe to America. Desmond would get to see how his ancestors got here. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

megfiregoddess
01-13-2011, 09:42 AM
Okay interesting information I recently discovered about Britain.

In Northwest England, in Cumbria county there is a river named dun dun dun...eden.
Found in the nearby city of Penrith is the dedication slab of a Temple to Jupiter, on of the three big TWCB.

RebeccaLH
01-13-2011, 03:15 PM
Originally posted by megfiregoddess:
Okay interesting information I recently discovered about Britain.

In Northwest England, in Cumbria county there is a river named dun dun dun...eden.
Found in the nearby city of Penrith is the dedication slab of a Temple to Jupiter, on of the three big TWCB.

Wouldnt it be a little to obvious with the river named Eden?
But thats realy good that you found that out , leads to new ideas of were the next AC could be.

JeB-Destroyer95
01-13-2011, 04:48 PM
I really hope in one of the DLC's that they will also put in the original AC2 outfit you know the one that ezio started off with as an assassin that was favorite

Avl521
01-14-2011, 07:00 AM
Originally posted by megfiregoddess:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TheSpectator:
We're going to france. They did everything short of pointing it out on a map.

Come on, really? what concrete evidence do you have that Ubi has said its going to be France? If you've been able to find it, let me know cuz I haven't.

Anyways Beatle, I'd love to see it during the American Revolution And I could see them moving from city to city throughout the game but I don't see them going overseas if they make it during the AR. It just seems to complicated and unrealistic to get on a boat during that time period more than maybe once. If they do go overseas it will be for like one mission than back to America. It would make a good opening though for the character to be sailing from Europe to America. Desmond would get to see how his ancestors got here. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Uhm, really? you have no evidence about it being in France? interesting... you should look at the game again. True, maybe the next game WON'T be in France, but it's the only thing we have so far.

You're just being too idealistic considering other time periods/places other than France.

And about this statement:

Desmond would get to see how his ancestors got here. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

When you say here... you DO know Desmond is actually in Italy right? what proof do you have of his nationality?

mordechai28
01-14-2011, 10:34 AM
I have a theory. Ubisoft wanted this game out ASAP so proper play testing was thrown out of the window. So they knowingly shipped a game riddled with bugs and glitches with broken online thereby soiling my birthday gift.

In summons; Ubisoft has lost a customer. After the way their Customer care talked to me I went and canceled all my Ubisoft preorders and traded in every Ubisoft game I had.

RebeccaLH
01-14-2011, 11:18 AM
Originally posted by mordechai28:
I have a theory. Ubisoft wanted this game out ASAP so proper play testing was thrown out of the window. So they knowingly shipped a game riddled with bugs and glitches with broken online thereby soiling my birthday gift.

In summons; Ubisoft has lost a customer. After the way their Customer care talked to me I went and canceled all my Ubisoft preorders and traded in every Ubisoft game I had.

Then after trading in your games, why are you on this forum?

Alpha Ender
01-14-2011, 12:25 PM
He's just expressing his dissatisfaction. Though he is on the wrong thread.

Avl521
01-14-2011, 12:35 PM
Originally posted by mordechai28:
I have a theory. Ubisoft wanted this game out ASAP so proper play testing was thrown out of the window. So they knowingly shipped a game riddled with bugs and glitches with broken online thereby soiling my birthday gift.

In summons; Ubisoft has lost a customer. After the way their Customer care talked to me I went and canceled all my Ubisoft preorders and traded in every Ubisoft game I had.

If that's your opinion and you won't buy any other Ubisoft game, and traded each Ubi game you had in a childish act of idiocy, why do you even post in Ubi forums? If Ubi lost you as a costumer (not that they should care.) then make sure they lost you completely, and they'll never find you again.

That way we won't have to deal with your whining either.

Black_Widow9
01-14-2011, 01:36 PM
Back on Topic please... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

younas456
01-14-2011, 02:34 PM
I think we are playing in a third party style. we live desmonds life in another animus! i mean in the end it feels like someone is living the life as desmond, like desmond lives the life of ezio and altaïr. in the end titels, they say something in the style of "take him out of there!" and there is another man how yells "NO, not yet."
now it was a while sens i played the ending but that is what i remember, it think :P

Avl521
01-14-2011, 07:19 PM
Originally posted by lion.cesar:
I think we are playing in a third party style. we live desmonds life in another animus! i mean in the end it feels like someone is living the life as desmond, like desmond lives the life of ezio and altaïr. in the end titels, they say something in the style of "take him out of there!" and there is another man how yells "NO, not yet."
now it was a while sens i played the ending but that is what i remember, it think :P

I'd post a huge facepalm image here, but I'll just go with the whole "back on topic" that was requested.
You're another one of those that believe the whole "Inception-Theory" huh?

And you certainly don't remember what they said at the end very well, or didn't analyze it enough.

maglaromuna
01-14-2011, 07:53 PM
is it just me or the other person from the conversation in the credits sound like desmond?

the line was,

guy 1:quick he's in a shock, put him back to the animus.
guy 2:but the animus did this to him!
guy 1:who's the expert here?
guy 2http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gifsounds like desmond)no.

..

maglaromuna
01-14-2011, 07:54 PM
and in The Truth, 16 says "the sun, your son..." something like that, creepy,

Avl521
01-14-2011, 08:08 PM
Yes, the person that said no at the end was Desmond... either him or his evil twin who happens to have the same voice of Desmond.

And yeah, subject 16 did say that... what it means is shrouded in mystery.

grnmtnboy00
01-15-2011, 07:14 AM
Hi all,
I'm new to this forum but I've been an AC fan since the first one came out. As far as AC3's setting, I'm convinced that it will be France though the time period is still very much up for grabs. Why else would Ubisoft go through all the effort to creating the incredible map of Mont St. Michel in Northwest France? (I've been to the real thing by the way and it is even more incredible in person. A Leap of Faith off the top of the steeples to the tidal flats below would be insane!!!)
Now about the shocker ending think about this: During the gameplay did any of you get out of the animus occasionally? If so you would have been unable to miss that Lucy was gone from the Sanctuary for several sequences. Where did she go? And what was up with those red footprints going around Monterigioni? They were not visible on Eagle Visoin until Lucy was absent. Also Rebecca made a couple comments in the beginning about how Lucy seemed to have so much info from Abstergo. It seemed like there was a lot of subtle inferrence that she might be a templar double-agent. There is no way she is dead. Ubisoft wouldn't bring in Kristen Bell only to kill her off so soon and with so little backstory about her. With all the other plot twists that Ubi keeps throwing at us that is anything but certain but it's something to keep in mind.
Lastly, try this theory on for size. Desmond has the apple now. While we're don't know who has him, two things are clear: 1. Desmond must now locate some sort of temple where the apple can avert the impending catastrophe and 2. Desmond must find Eve. There is nothing at all to say they cannot go further back into Desmond's memories (even earlier than Altair) to get a line on these two objectives.
My congratulations to Ubisoft's designers on creating the most amazing game to come out in years, and to Jesper Kyd for the awesome music accompanying it! (Admit it, the race theme is VERY cool!) I can't help but wonder if they are reading all this and just laughing at us (all the way to the bank). :P
grnmtnboy

maglaromuna
01-15-2011, 12:29 PM
Originally posted by Avl521:
Yes, the person that said no at the end was Desmond... either him or his evil twin who happens to have the same voice of Desmond.

And yeah, subject 16 did say that... what it means is shrouded in mystery.

i think in my opinion, its not a total mystery. 16 said "the sun, your son" in a worried way. prolly desmonds son is a templars or joined the templars and prolly the people conversing in the end are trying to make desmonds son realize something. i dont know. its just my own theories,

joaomuas
01-15-2011, 12:47 PM
Lots of people here have been talking about France, and lots of other people have answered "WHAT?! FRANCE?! ARE YOU CRAZY?" or "There isn't any clue about France" or even "France sucks!". I mean, what is wrong with you guys?! Haven't you noticed all the clues that lead to France!? COME ON! It's obvious! Take a look:

1. Desmond is in Italy so, really near France (I know the Templars are watching the border, and that makes this theory even better - wouldn't it be awesome to open a game trying to cross the border unnoticed, ending up in a brutal action sequence with Desmond escaping to France?)

2. SPOILER ALERT - "That's a Phrygian Cap. It stands for freedom... and that, that's a Masonic Eye. Now those two come together in only one place--" - Shaun Hastings (ACB Ending). The answer is... France. Yes, it's true, this symbols come together in France. I have a theory about the symbols: I think they represent the battle. The Masonic Eye - symbolic reference to the Masons (great theory about them some posts above) and the Illuminati and others like these - represent the Templars, as the Templars are some kind of guys continuing Illuminati's New World Order plans. The Phrygian Cap, as it stands for freedom, represents the Assassins. - END OF SPOILERS

3. Ubisoft released a multiplayer expansion pack that contains the map Mont St. Michel, in France. Isn't that a clue?

4. The guys from Ubisoft Montreal are mostly Canadian, so they also speak French. Wouldn't they like to make a game in France?

5. Lots of Templar Crusaders were from France and there were some religion conflicts (among other conflicts) involving them. France has lots of History with the Knights Templar and some of the Templar survivors in Italy after some religious problems fled to France and continued the brotherhood underground. Aren't these clues enough?

6. The Priory of Sion. They had some kind of alliance with the Knights Templar about the Holy Grail (I believe it is also a Piece of Eden). They kept its secret, and the Grail was in France for a long time. What about involving The Priory in the next game? And Desmond wanted the locations of the temples, and The Apple pointed to France. Can you imagine Desmond finding The Holy Grail? The Templars were giving up on it, and if they could follow Desmond and discover about it... It would make an awesome story!

7. France was one of the most important countries in both World Wars, which according to Subject 16, were created by The Apple, in the hands of the Templars.

Note: Desmond probably won't go to France in the Animus so, instead of the Animus Database, Desmond could go to The Louvre, or The Louvre's Website or open a Louvre Book, I don't know, and get the information he needs. Isn't it a good idea?

8. France has a beautiful History and is a great cultural center, adapting well to how the producers want the settings.

9. French cities are well built and appropriate to how Ubisoft Montreal wants the cities, instead of cities like New York (although it would be really really really awesome to have an open-world New York, but I think the producers prefer the way European cities are rather than American, and I don't disagree, I just also don't agree, cause European cities are awesome, and American ones like New York are awesome; I just think European ones adapt better to the franchise, both in story, gameplay, and the way they are built).

10. Ancient brotherhoods. They could make part of side-quest stories, and France has lots of History with a lot of them, including the Mayans, Illuminati and Knights Templar. These 3 I mentioned are really important in the franchise plot, and side-quests about them would be awesome!

11. Lots of catacumbs!

12. Paris!

13. France is awesome! Can you imagine a Leap of Faith from The Eiffel Tower?

Don't get me wrong: Desmond could very well buy a plane ticket to America; there are also some clues about America (and awesome clues, mainly on the storyside, with references to betrayals, presidents, wars, armys, alliances, revolutions, conspiracies among lots of other things, and these clues are mainly shown on 16's puzzles in both AC2 and Brotherhood; the multiplayer pack could mean nothing; Montreal could prefer a game in Canada; the religious conflicts may have nothing to do with the franchise; The Holy Grail, according to some historians, was moved to England, and then never leaved it; World Wars may not fit in the franchise plot; Ubisoft may want to forget History and focus on the future, leaving behind culture and ancient history (ok guys, we all know this is not going to happen); the producers may want to change to flat glass skyscrapers, casinos, and driving cars in the middle of high traffic until we're ****ed off, get out of the car and start killing everyone (no, not anymore: there is no possible explanation for the message "Desmond did not kill civilians"), what would be awesome; there are also ancient brotherhoods from America; we could explore sewage instead of catacumbs (it would also be awesome); New York and Leap of Faith from Empire State Building.

These are both great settings, and I can't decide about which I prefer. It would be awesome in France, it would be awesome in America, it would be even more awesome in both of them (it would be the best game ever), and maybe awesome in another place! Personally, I think it will go to France (this doesn't mean I prefer it). Maybe France in AC3 and New York in AC4, but I just think that, with the information we have right now, it will go to France. I can't decide between the 2 I just spoke of about which I prefer, but I think it's slightly more possible for it to go to France. BUT, MAYBE IT WON'T BE IN FRANCE, NEITHER IN AMERICA! We don't know... yet!


P.S. - Sorry if my english isn't that good (I'm portuguese).
If you want this facts explained, understand a lot more things about the franchise, or know some of my sources, read Angels and Demons and The Da Vinci Code, both by Dan Brown.

slaro
01-15-2011, 01:42 PM
France would be very cool indeed, America not in the Revolution Time because of the little realy little cities, im for myself hoping the triangle Londen-Amsterdam-Paris will be in it, or something,

but mate, if it is France during the revolution or something in that periode, we won't see the eifel tower haha lool.

rileypoole1234
01-15-2011, 04:21 PM
NO! <span class="ev_code_RED">NO!</span> NO! France is <span class="ev_code_RED">NOT</span> a good way to go for AC3. London in the 1880s is the best place to for AC3.

Avl521
01-15-2011, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by rileypoole1234:
NO! <span class="ev_code_RED">NO!</span> NO! France is <span class="ev_code_RED">NOT</span> a good way to go for AC3. London in the 1880s is the best place to for AC3.

You're no one to say what's good or not for the franchise, and you may cry all you like, but so far our only solid hints and facts lead us to France. It may not be in France, but so far, AFAWK, all we can deduce is it WILL be in France.

joaomuas
01-15-2011, 05:20 PM
I just remembered something. Among all the Pieces of Eden that Subject 16 mentions, one of them is The Sword. Couldn't it be King Arthur's Sword? It could be a clue to the time and place of the next game. It was one of the possibilities thought by the team after AC2. All the Pieces of Eden seem to be related to historical/religious facts so couldn't that be King Arthur's Sword?

megfiregoddess
01-15-2011, 06:41 PM
Uhm, really? you have no evidence about it being in France? interesting... you should look at the game again. True, maybe the next game WON'T be in France, but it's the only thing we have so far.

You're just being too idealistic considering other time periods/places other than France.

It is believed that in AC1 Desmond was in America.

And maybe I am being idealistic but until Ubi comes straight out and says "AC3 is going to be set in France" I'm going to keep theorizing on the possibilities. If your content to work on circumstantial evidence. Thats up to you. I mean, everything you sent me about France is really great and all but it does mean that is were Ubi is going. If I've learned anything being a AC fan its that Ubi likes to make you think you know where the game is going and suddenly takes you somewhere else.

Avl521
01-15-2011, 07:21 PM
Originally posted by megfiregoddess:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Uhm, really? you have no evidence about it being in France? interesting... you should look at the game again. True, maybe the next game WON'T be in France, but it's the only thing we have so far.

You're just being too idealistic considering other time periods/places other than France.

It is believed that in AC1 Desmond was in America.

And maybe I am being idealistic but until Ubi comes straight out and says "AC3 is going to be set in France" I'm going to keep theorizing on the possibilities. If your content to work on circumstantial evidence. Thats up to you. I mean, everything you sent me about France is really great and all but it does mean that is were Ubi is going. If I've learned anything being a AC fan its that Ubi likes to make you think you know where the game is going and suddenly takes you somewhere else. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It is believed in AC1 Desmond is in america? maybe, then it is proved he's in europe, actually italy, because, unless the car they stole from abstergo and the truck they had at the first hideout work as submarines, they couldn't have been in America.
So yes, they are in italy or at least somewhere close enough to be able to drive to Monteriggioni.

And yeah, don't you notice the "maybe the next game WON'T be in France" part? it may not be in France, but France is all the concrete evidence we've got... circumstantial? really? Shaun pointing out the symbols only come together in the rights of man during the French Revolution... even the guide saying "is shaun pointing at 18th century France?"
There's a HUGE difference between "being content" and knowing what's the right thing to do.
We all tried to guess where AC2 would be: no one guessed right.
We're all trying to guess where AC3 will be: all we have points to France, yet Ubisoft can do whatever they want.

The issue here is you're simply being over idealistic, you think that we don't have evidence that points to france? right, because we have more evidence that points to "New Orleans" or "The American Revolution"

It's the same as this:
During a trial, even if you're innocent, if there's enough evidence, you'll be found guilty.
Does that mean you're guilty? no. But it's what people will see as the truth because there's no evidence to prove your innocence.

Same with AC3. There's a lot of evidence that points to France. Does that mean it will be in France? no. But so far it's what is more accurate since it's what Ubi gave us to work with it.

Anyways here's a happy face to you for making theories that are possible and being a cool AC fan. (And because I love cats so I wanna post it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif)
http://yotubos.com/blog/files/2010/01/happy_lolcat.jpg

TheSpectator
01-16-2011, 02:06 AM
Originally posted by megfiregoddess:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Uhm, really? you have no evidence about it being in France? interesting... you should look at the game again. True, maybe the next game WON'T be in France, but it's the only thing we have so far.

You're just being too idealistic considering other time periods/places other than France.

It is believed that in AC1 Desmond was in America.

And maybe I am being idealistic but until Ubi comes straight out and says "AC3 is going to be set in France" I'm going to keep theorizing on the possibilities. If your content to work on circumstantial evidence. Thats up to you. I mean, everything you sent me about France is really great and all but it does mean that is were Ubi is going. If I've learned anything being a AC fan its that Ubi likes to make you think you know where the game is going and suddenly takes you somewhere else. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Really AC1 was in America. So those italian signs in the abstergo carpark were just typos.

joaomuas
01-16-2011, 05:05 AM
If you can remember, in the end of AC2 Lucy says "We have a safe house up north" and in the beggining of ACB she says "It's our last safe house in Italy". Which means that in AC2 they were in an Italian city, south of Monteriggioni!

Avl521
01-16-2011, 10:24 AM
See? Italy.
Not America.

megfiregoddess
01-16-2011, 10:49 AM
Okay, my bad. No need to be a **** about it. I (and a few others I've talked to) were slightly confused by the fact that everyone in the game spoke English and had an American accent.

Anyways, my point was, it is not FOR CERTAIN that AC3 is going to be in France. Its a good theory but there are other places that have an equally good chance of being the setting for AC3.

Hey, maybe Shaun will finally get his turn in the Animus and find something interesting and we'll be headed to England after all.

The possibilities for a setting for AC3 are never-ending and those of you who want to be a$$holes to those of us who what to cover ALL the possibilities and aren't ready to resign ourselves to a definate "ITS GOING TO BE IN FRANCE" mindset, need to get the hell over yourselves.

Avl521
01-16-2011, 10:55 AM
Originally posted by megfiregoddess:
Okay, my bad. No need to be a **** about it. I (and a few others I've talked to) were slightly confused by the fact that everyone in the game spoke English and had an American accent.

Anyways, my point was, it is not FOR CERTAIN that AC3 is going to be in France. Its a good theory but there are other places that have an equally good chance of being the setting for AC3.

No one's being a **** about anything.
And who said it was for certain? god... did you even read what I said?

megfiregoddess
01-16-2011, 11:10 AM
That was mostly posted to TheSpectator who was being an A$$ about it and a few posts above was basically saying that if you are still theorizing about anything but France your a moron.

I'm just trying to cover all the possibilities and to be frank, because everyone thinks its France, means I'm going in the opposite direction because from experience I can tell you that when Ubi thinks everyone knows what their doing, they do the exact opposite too. One of my favorite things about the AC franchise is that I never know what to expect.

Avl521
01-16-2011, 11:15 AM
Originally posted by megfiregoddess:
That was mostly posted to TheSpectator who was being an A$$ about it and a few posts above was basically saying that if you are still theorizing about anything but France your a moron.

I'm just trying to cover all the possibilities and to be frank, because everyone thinks its France, means I'm going in the opposite direction because from experience I can tell you that when Ubi thinks everyone knows what their doing, they do the exact opposite too. One of my favorite things about the AC franchise is that I never know what to expect.

I understand what you're doing, but my issue is that I said the same thing you're saying.
We all tried to guess where AC2 would be, and none of us could.
And it's one of my favorite things too, my point is not that you're a moron if you think it's somewhere else, my point is that RIGHT NOW any other place is more of... wishful thinking based on what you'd like to see, than a serious possibility since there are a bunch of clues and hints to france. But go ahead, it's ok to theorize and talk and discuss opinions, this is a forum after all.

megfiregoddess
01-16-2011, 11:17 AM
Okay, to get over MYSELF and get back on subject; how about that London setting.

There are a lot of Roman landmarks in London. Besides, the empire of Britain was in a lot of political turmoil for a long time. Up until that queen, can't remember her name off the top of my head, I think is was Victoria, *shrugs* came around and told the parliament to stop serving themselves and serve the people. I need to do more research on it but it would be awesome if Shaun got his way and was finally able to spend a few moments in the Animus. Give Desmond a break, the guy has been through a lot. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And besides, Stonehenge would be like the perfect place to be a TWCB temple. Its not like a bunch of people don't already think that Stonehenge was created by some higher being.

Avl521
01-16-2011, 11:35 AM
Regarding the settings I'd like to see most, with nothing but pure desire of playing in those places:

Napoleonic France.
London.
Modern Day 2012 Milan. (yeah, I'd actually like to see Desmond become a modern bad*** assassin.)

megfiregoddess
01-16-2011, 12:00 PM
If it is in France I only have one thing to say. WE BETTER GET TO SEE THE PALACE OF VERSAILLES!

x1550
01-16-2011, 01:58 PM
AC3 should be about Desmond finally becoming an assassin and making his own brotherhood to stop abstergo, it would make the story interesting but at the same time it would have to end the assassinscreed story which would suck, but all good things die young anyways lol

And it would get kinda boring if they had to relive another assassin just to continue the story line

Comedxy
01-16-2011, 10:27 PM
I have got the answer http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Desmond is Adam remember in AC2 the truth it showed the beginning of earth as a high tech place well Adam looked into the future using his blood line son Desmond using the apple or early animus to examine and stop 12-21-2012

Avl521
01-16-2011, 10:49 PM
Originally posted by Comedxy:
I have got the answer http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Desmond is Adam remember in AC2 the truth it showed the beginning of earth as a high tech place well Adam looked into the future using his blood line son Desmond using the apple or early animus to examine and stop 12-21-2012

I didn't understand your "answer".
Punctuation fail.

TheSpectator
01-17-2011, 12:07 AM
Originally posted by megfiregoddess:
That was mostly posted to TheSpectator who was being an about it and a few posts above was basically saying that if you are still theorizing about anything but France your a moron.

I'm just trying to cover all the possibilities and to be frank, because everyone thinks its France, means I'm going in the opposite direction because from experience I can tell you that when Ubi thinks everyone knows what their doing, they do the exact opposite too. One of my favorite things about the AC franchise is that I never know what to expect.
I formally apologize for my blatant. I assumed we had established that we were in italy previously in this thread.

Back on topic though after ac1 no one really had a good educated guess at where ac2 would be so it was pretty much anyones guess because we had no evidence. The same could be said after AC2 but in brotherhood they've basically pointed it out on a map.

The masonic eye (pyramid on the american dollar bill) and the phyrigian cap (cool beanie looking thing) both appear on the declaration of the rights of man and of the citizen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D...n_and_of_the_Citizen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_the_Rights_of_Man_and_of_the_Citize n) was established where.....................

France *****.

This could be a massive red herring though but i'm just going with what has been said and what i think would be cool http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

1800's London would be incredibly awesome too. Sherlock Holmes (I know he's fictional so is AC) could make you a third hidden blade that fires out your (protection from jack the ripper).

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TheSpectator
01-17-2011, 12:20 AM
Originally posted by Comedxy:
I have got the answer http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Desmond is Adam remember in AC2 the truth it showed the beginning of earth as a high tech place well Adam looked into the future using his blood line son Desmond using the apple or early animus to examine and stop 12-21-2012

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DylanJosh9
01-17-2011, 02:58 AM
I also thing all the France stuff might be a red herring. Maybe DESMOND will go to France.

But I want to go Victorian England. Whole Sherlock/Jack the Ripper thing would be awesome.

Alpha Ender
01-17-2011, 04:57 AM
Originally posted by Comedxy:
I have got the answer http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Desmond is Adam remember in AC2 the truth it showed the beginning of earth as a high tech place well Adam looked into the future using his blood line son Desmond using the apple or early animus to examine and stop 12-21-2012

No, you don't have the answer. First, your theory makes no sense as to why they are the same. Adam's bloodline hadn't advanced yet; there are/were several thousand years in between him and Desmond, and the bloodlines travel through DNA and blood. Second, this theory has been shot down multiple times for this simple reason: TWCB never found a way to make themselves immortal. Maybe live longer, yes, but not that huge span of years. Also, that span of years would have never shown Altair or Ezio because they are different people from Adam, unless you want to argue that Adam=Altair=Ezio=Desmond, which is not true. You saw the birth of Ezio, you saw the split from Altair when he had sex with Maria, it cannot be the same person.

In closing (please take this as a joke, not as just a move):
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/1927/desmondfacepalm.jpg (http://img200.imageshack.us/i/desmondfacepalm.jpg/)

maglaromuna
01-17-2011, 03:27 PM
Originally posted by Comedxy:
I have got the answer http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Desmond is Adam remember in AC2 the truth it showed the beginning of earth as a high tech place well Adam looked into the future using his blood line son Desmond using the apple or early animus to examine and stop 12-21-2012

ok, i seem to be getting your point. i think you just have to reiterate what you said though. ill just make it clearer.

In ACB Ezio used the apple to understand what Cesare meant when he said "Chains will not hold me." so in lamens terms ezio looked into the future and stopped cesare from conquering Spain.

Probably same theory applies to what Comedxy 's post. Probably Adam stole the apple to stop whatever the TWCB's planning for humankind. If you look at The Truth video in AC2 the workers were humans and the supervisor is in silhouette which looked like Minerva because Adam saw it by using the apple.

I'm sorry for my ideas which are not properly established. But that's what i think here. food for thought.

Comedxy
01-17-2011, 11:50 PM
Yeah that's what i was trying to say just wasn't really clear but hey it's just theories just throwin stuff around http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif

Redmonkeyking
01-18-2011, 03:21 AM
My theories thus far:

Hmm..."The miracle is in the execution." Something about Desmond executing Lucy is my guess.

I'm thinking Desmond is the modern day Adam, but who could Eve be? A mystery girl because Kristen Bell costs too much now so they're making a new female lead? Seriously, though, I'm thinking Desmond's son might be viewing his life through the animus the entire time. Perhaps the world has been wiped out by the solar flare and Eden is the place to protect Desmond (Adam) and mystery girl (Eve) while it happens.

Also, the Animus has been around at least since the 1980s and Desmond was born in 1987. Subject 15 was a pregnant woman using the animus. Could Desmond be the child of Subject 15 and is that the reason why it's not driving him crazy like the others supposedly have?

The achievement after The Truth level says "I AM ALIVE" as many of you know, so my guess on that is perhaps Subject 16 is alive in Desmond's mind... maybe.

One more thing for now: "Find the sixth". I'm guessing the aliens are telling Desmond to activate his sixth sense somehow, kind of like the Neo explanation someone gave earlier.

TheSpectator
01-18-2011, 04:50 AM
15 was the subject for 2010 so desmond couldn't be her son because then he would be almost 2 years old.

DylanJosh9
01-18-2011, 07:45 AM
@RedMonkeyKing -

The Miracle is in the Execution

What 16 meant is that file was an executable file, not a video like the prev one.

Maybe you could theorize that Desmond is the child of Subect 1 or 4 or something, but 15 is way too recent. The only reason she was mentioned was because of the Cristina memories emerging.

Juno said "Awaken the Sixth" and you're right, it probably means his sixth sense

TheSpectator
01-18-2011, 06:44 PM
Originally posted by HarshJaguar3:
@RedMonkeyKing -

The Miracle is in the Execution

What 16 meant is that file was an executable file, not a video like the prev one.

Maybe you could theorize that Desmond is the child of Subect 1 or 4 or something, but 15 is way too recent. The only reason she was mentioned was because of the Cristina memories emerging.

Juno said "Awaken the Sixth" and you're right, it probably means his sixth sense
The sixth sense is being able to spot bruce willis in a crowd.

megfiregoddess
01-18-2011, 07:19 PM
Originally posted by TheSpectator:
The sixth sense is being able to spot bruce willis in a crowd.

LMAO!!!

I have to agree, 15 is far too recent to be Desmond's mother. Besides, his parents are supposed to be at "The Farm" I doubt that Abstergo just let all the subjects go. They maybe a lot of things but their not kind.

Brimeon
01-19-2011, 01:34 PM
Regarding the whole France thing...

I will start this by saying I don't entirely think that France is definitely where AC3 will take us. The fact that it's been all but handed to Desmond in a travel voucher makes it feel almost...too obvious.

That being said, there's much to think about in regards to actual history. The time of the French Revolution was a time of peaceful uprising (I remember hearing something about Ubisoft not wanting to make another game during a war...there was no war during the French Revolution, I just wanted to clarify because someone earlier thought there was...). After the Tennis Court Oath was established, which essentially destabilized the monarchy, our favorite factual antagonist Robespierre rose to power, beginning the time period known as the Reign of Terror, where countless people were massacred each day. (My personal theory- Robespierre=Templar.) The game could take place during the RoT where your Desmondic-Ancestor would be working to remove Robespierre and the Templars from power in France, and placing Napoleon in power.

On a side note- Ubisoft also mentioned at some point that there would be a female lead (I think originally this was in association with an idea that the next game would be a female assassin during WWII, but apparently Ubi has since scratched that idea). A famous painting by Jacques Louis David at the time of the Revolution, The Death of Marat , depicts an actual event where a politician, Marat, was murdered in his bathtub by an ACTUAL assassin, who, by the way, was a woman.

Also, the sheer amount of gothic architecture such as the Notre Dame of Paris and the Chartres Cathedral is enough for any AC Parkour fan to ***z themselves.

Just food for thought.
Just my food for thought.

Redmonkeyking
01-19-2011, 04:04 PM
Thanks, guys. I didn't notice the timeframe for Subject 15 or I straight up forgot. Executable files- that makes sense. Same goes for what was said about awakening the sixth sense. I guess what they really mean was for Desmond to awaken "Eve's" eagle vision.

I'm just hoping Ubi takes more time on this than Brotherhood. I understand the multiplayer aspect is important, but 9 sequences felt too short. Mayhaps do a multiplayer game one year, then a single player game the next, or get a separate team to work on non-numbered sequels.

megfiregoddess
01-19-2011, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by Brimeon:
Regarding the whole France thing...

I will start this by saying I don't entirely think that France is definitely where AC3 will take us. The fact that it's been all but handed to Desmond in a travel voucher makes it feel almost...too obvious.

That being said, there's much to think about in regards to actual history. The time of the French Revolution was a time of peaceful uprising (I remember hearing something about Ubisoft not wanting to make another game during a war...there was no war during the French Revolution, I just wanted to clarify because someone earlier thought there was...). After the Tennis Court Oath was established, which essentially destabilized the monarchy, our favorite factual antagonist Robespierre rose to power, beginning the time period known as the Reign of Terror, where countless people were massacred each day. (My personal theory- Robespierre=Templar.) The game could take place during the RoT where your Desmondic-Ancestor would be working to remove Robespierre and the Templars from power in France, and placing Napoleon in power.

On a side note- Ubisoft also mentioned at some point that there would be a female lead (I think originally this was in association with an idea that the next game would be a female assassin during WWII, but apparently Ubi has since scratched that idea). A famous painting by Jacques Louis David at the time of the Revolution, The Death of Marat , depicts an actual event where a politician, Marat, was murdered in his bathtub by an ACTUAL assassin, who, by the way, was a woman.

Also, the sheer amount of gothic architecture such as the Notre Dame of Paris and the Chartres Cathedral is enough for any AC Parkour fan to ***z themselves.

Just food for thought.
Just my food for thought.

Now that works better as an AC setting. AC likes obscure, they like times that not everyone in the general public has knowledge of.

Still, the idea of the "dagger in the crowd" doesn't work for the time (as I've said before). During that time you could walk up and kill anyone because there was no authority there to stop you. People regularly abducted nobles in the night and killed them simply because they were nobles. In fact, there was a famous case of a girl who was ballet dancer whose father was a noble and who died when she was an infant. Because she had no kin except an obscure aunt who was a ballet dancer in Paris, she was sent to a life in the theater. Yet, during the revolution, when the people at the theater found out about her noble heritage she was killed and left in the street outside of the theater. No one asked questions and no one was arrested for the murder. She was left to obscurity until after the revolution when her story was finally told by a fellow dancer.

The point is that a sneaky assassin wasn't really necessary during the revolution. It was when Napoleon reined.

And, I read more about The Death Of Marat, The picture depicts the assassination of Jean-Paul Marat (a radical journalist) by Charlotte Corday who was the daughter of a minor noble. She killed Marat because she blamed him for September Massacres. I don't think it would fit for Corday to be a trained assassin as her history is WELL DOCUMENTED so Ubi doesn't have much room to play with her. I could only see Corday coming in as a secondary character but not as the main.

eddymunster1
01-20-2011, 07:45 AM
Corday was also put to death shortly after, so I can't imagine she will be the lead role.

Brimeon
01-20-2011, 10:21 AM
Ha Corday could've been a descendent of Eve, and she was put to death before any of Adam's descendents got to her.

KaiserC96
01-20-2011, 10:56 AM
its obviously going to be the french revoulution, theres been too many hints about it.

MikuJC
01-20-2011, 12:24 PM
whatever the end result is, i hope it doesn't come too soon. I hope this series last a couple more games. They could take it any direction now, and i would love to see a new main hero. Maybe another era. Though i do love ezio, i think we need someone fresh and new locations. I still replay AC1 for the feel of the old crusader time. I want that again. :/

maglaromuna
01-20-2011, 01:06 PM
isnt it strange that now desmond has to find eve? and in The Truth in AC2, the guy who called eve sounded so much like desmond?

jjmorton
01-20-2011, 04:17 PM
What if Lucy wasn't really Lucy. Gotcha thinking don't I. In AC1 Lucy was so meek and timid and always worried especially about a missing Abstergo employee. In AC2 she's all bad , kick your teeth in, and Rebecca had said it had been like 7 yrs since they had seen her. ACB she is distant and has her ways of getting into Abstergo's server. My theory is Sub16 & Juno could see that this was not the real Lucy, but in actuality the missing employee with animus training. Vidic did say he saved her life. That would leave Lucy alive, a descendant of eve, and in the hands of the templars.

blacktiger00
01-21-2011, 12:28 AM
Not so much a discussion of the ending but a couple of ideas that i had about TWCB. thought i might share

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...1069024/m/1021069509 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5251069024/m/1021069509)

ryzie009
01-21-2011, 08:05 AM
Just had a few questions, sorry if they sound stupid and in advance if they've already been answered etc...

1. I just started ACII again, atthe start Lucy finds a related memory of Ezio's birth between Desmond and #16? How is 16 related to it?

2. At the end of ACB when Cesare says "chains wont bind me" and " no man can kill me" or something like that. Is any of that really note worthy? I read somewhere someone said something about the shroud of turin which makes sense i guess...

Not really important but of the 8 statuettes in ACII i was surprised not to see Juno as one of them...

Also in the codex Altair mentions Ghengis Khan, and in the Assassin sanctuary the Mongolian Assassin Qualan Gal is assoiciated with taking down Khan's horse. Anyone think it's a possibility for a game?

Cheers

Brimeon
01-21-2011, 11:38 AM
This may be ancient history, but after replaying AC1 I felt like bringing it up.

At the end of the game when Desmond is walking around outside the animus and using eagle vision to see everything Subject 16 scribble all over the walls, there's a line above Desmond's bed that says "Between Jiajing's Sin and Quetzlcoatl's Hunger lies the answer."

Jiajing was a ruler during the Ming Dynasty in China who was obsessed with finding everlasting life. Supposedly, it had sent people out in search for something that would provide him with eternal life, which could easily be affiliated with either the Fountain of Youth or the Holy Grail, two potential POEs.

Quetzlcoatl was the supreme god of the ancient Mayans, and could essentially be incorporated as one of the TWCB. One of the temples that Desmond may have to find could be an old Mayan temple or something.

Like I said, this is relatively old news, but with the discussion of the future of the game, I felt it should be brought up for discussion.

joaomuas
01-21-2011, 05:17 PM
SPOILERS I came up with this theory for a long time, but it's only speculation: in AC2's Truth, at the end you see Adam and Eve taking the Apple with a mountain in the background. In the beggining I thought it was Kilimanjaro and that Eden was in Africa. But since ACB's ending points to France, it could be Mont Blanc! Maybe Eden is there and Desmond needs to find Eve in France. There is only one thing that isn't right: the mountain doesn't look like Mont Blanc. It actually looks a lot like Kilimanjaro, but even if it looked like Mont Blanc, after all that time the mountain would be much smaller and would be with a lot different look. Unless The Truth didn't happen a long time ago...

mrshadow115
01-21-2011, 08:45 PM
Is it not possible that you are Desmond's father looking at the past of his son? I mean they never strictly say it has to ve an ancestor, its all based on DNA and they should have some of desmonds from all the time he layed there. My theory is Desmond has been captured by Templars and you're Desmonds father and when 16 says "your son" he is talking to desmonds father that Desmond is getting too weak to continue. I envision an epic rescue of our favorite hero Desmond as his father, not his son. After the breakout you begin playing as Desmond once more and honestly i don't care where it goes after that as long as i get to assassinate something lol. I just thought I'd share my possible plot twist with you all. It certainly would explain Subject 16's incoherent rambling...

Klaus9090
01-22-2011, 12:15 PM
but the game is the ....
the skills, and extras that stuff make it a far too easy to get to 5000 points in one round
and when you play persecuted one you've no chance to escape, because the follower keeps your char stand when
your follower presses square, so if the kill sequence is to come, I mean as long as he is in the air you should be able to escape I suppose.
Moreover, with the Templar looking and that it is too easy to identify the target.
it should still give something like hardcore mode without anything, just kill un numb, no extras,no HUD, simply nothing!

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iwildboy
01-24-2011, 03:08 AM
I am still wondering whatever happened to Altair? because of course the last codex page mentioned he was going to look at the apple for a way to prolong life but theres no new codex after that. so 1 of 3 things happened 1. he died while looking at the apple. 2 he found a was for eternal life and went underground or 3 he died before he got to it. but it never mentions him having a burial or a tomb so he could stil be alive. you never know he could be Erudito from project legacy and the one who emailed Desmond.

LxLAS3RzZz
01-24-2011, 04:20 PM
Right this is my theory:

Subject 16:

Subject 16 is believed dead and Lucy even confirms this however it is somewhat seemed as if that he isn't dead. In the Glyph event once you unlock all the glyphs in the video it seems that Subject 16 is interracting and talking directly to Desmond and in the end he says that he somewhat needs to recharge his energy, perhaps he needs to charge up some energy like he is low on electricity or something and he needs it to contact Desmond. Once you complete them all you get the achievement ".. .- — .- .-.. .. …- ." which in Morse Code means "I am alive" which almost screams the fact that Subject 16 is in fact alive, how? I'm unsure. However his voice is also similiar to the man in the credits at the end of the game.

What Those Who Came Before (TWCB)want from Desmond:

I believe that TWCB want Desmond to go out and find the Decendant of Eve (From what I've read this person is a French woman - perhaps link to a Desmond Decendant which is in the French Revolution, I don't know perhaps). TWCB want, once Desmond has found the Decendant of Eve to have a child of which will have TWCB DNA and will bring the recoming of the TWCB. As Desmond, being a decendant of Adam holds half of the DNA and decendant of Eve holds the other half. Together they will recreate the race, all of this is some sort of mastermind plot by the race.

Lucy's Possible Death: I'm.. Unsure, while I think that Desmond could of fact killed her because in the achievement recieved by the Xbox 360 it says "A Knife to the Heart" - As far as I'm aware, your dead if that happens. However I'm also torn as some of you might remember what Al Mualim did to Altiar? He used the Apple of Eden as an illusion to think that he had stabbed him, yet he didn't - perhaps they did the same?

I believe TWCB wanted Desmond to find Eve and so they believed Lucy was getting in the way, I mean come on. There were clear side of attractions on both parts. However it is more than likely that Lucy also could've been a double agent and they knew that they couldn't have this, and this is why Juno said "The cross darkens the horizon!" a possible clear sign that Lucy (A bearer of the Templar Cross) is a Templar.

Desmond's Son:

Ugh, I've read through this thread.. Some of this talk about Desmond's son almost annoys me, yet I'm not perfect, am I? Anyway on to Desmond's son, I believe when he speaks of Desmond's son I think he is aware of TWCB's plan and speaks of the fact that TWCB plans for Desmond to have a child (Possibly turn out to be a male, said son).

That was just a slight thought, I don't expect Desmond's son to run-along and take the main role in the game.

Voices in the Credits:

I believe it is very plausible that the end two voices that one of them would be Subject 16 since one of the voices sounds like Subject 16s voice, from what I can remember that said voice is the man that says "I am the expert here!". The other one is likely either Erudito (Don't forget about him!) or William .M (People have said William Miles, however if it is said William Miles then William Miles could be Subject 16, being the father - perhaps a close relative anyway.

All in all, that's my theory if you took the time to read it, I thank you and I hope it's worth peoples while. End of the day I can only look forward to the release of Assassin's Creed 3 and I hope it'll come out this year going along with the yearly release, or perhaps if they plan to make the game truly amazing then they should really take their time and go for 2012. Still hoping on 2011 as it's likely to be an amazing game no matter what.

joaomuas
01-25-2011, 08:48 AM
Ok, I continue to read through this topic, searching for things I might have missed, but I keep reading lots of posts about Desmond's nationality, the location of AC1 and AC2 (in 2012), the Assassins HQ, etc.
So, I've created 3 possible scenarios for what could have happened in the AC universe in terms of locations, so first stop, Desmond is American. Yes, it's true. How do I know? Just read the first pages of the instructions manual of AC2 and you'll see. So here are the scenarios:

1. Desmond is in America and is captured by Abstergo there, but then he's brought to Italy, to one of Abstergo's facilities, and then escapes with Lucy to an Italian city south of Monteriggioni (AC2), before Abstergo crashes their hideout and they escape to Monteriggioni.

2. Desmond escapes from his parents and the other Assassins to Italy (because he wanted to know the world), where he's kidnapped and brought to the nearest Abstergo facility (in Italy).

3. Desmond was born and grew in America until he's around 5 years old (or other age, but early in his life) and then goes with his parents to the Assassins HQ, in Italy. Desmond grows, escapes, and is kidnapped.

These are 3 possible scenarios, but there are many others. All we know is that:

1. Desmond is American.
2. AC1 was set in Italy or in another country near Italy.
3. AC2 was set in an Italian city, south of Monteriggioni.

LxLAS3RzZz
01-25-2011, 09:36 AM
Posted Tue January 25 2011 07:48 Hide Post

Ok, I continue to read through this topic, searching for things I might have missed, but I keep reading lots of posts about Desmond's nationality, the location of AC1 and AC2 (in 2012), the Assassins HQ, etc.
So, I've created 3 possible scenarios for what could have happened in the AC universe in terms of locations, so first stop, Desmond is American. Yes, it's true. How do I know? Just read the first pages of the instructions manual of AC2 and you'll see. So here are the scenarios:

1. Desmond is in America and is captured by Abstergo there, but then he's brought to Italy, to one of Abstergo's facilities, and then escapes with Lucy to an Italian city south of Monteriggioni (AC2), before Abstergo crashes their hideout and they escape to Monteriggioni.

2. Desmond escapes from his parents and the other Assassins to Italy (because he wanted to know the world), where he's kidnapped and brought to the nearest Abstergo facility (in Italy).

3. Desmond was born and grew in America until he's around 5 years old (or other age, but early in his life) and then goes with his parents to the Assassins HQ, in Italy. Desmond grows, escapes, and is kidnapped.

These are 3 possible scenarios, but there are many others. All we know is that:

1. Desmond is American.
2. AC1 was set in Italy or in another country near Italy.
3. AC2 was set in an Italian city, south of Monteriggioni.

Nice theory but sadly incorrect - Desmond was born and raised in a place called "The Farm" apperently in the middle of nowhere, perhaps in America I suppose. The Farm was an Assassin HQ and he was told never too leave. He was trained to be an Assassin but on his 18th (Or 16th) Birthday he ran away - where to? I don't know, perhaps Italy, or perhaps Abstergo did just capture him and then take him to Italy.

Alpha Ender
01-26-2011, 08:30 AM
Originally posted by LxLAS3RzZz:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Posted Tue January 25 2011 07:48 Hide Post

Ok, I continue to read through this topic, searching for things I might have missed, but I keep reading lots of posts about Desmond's nationality, the location of AC1 and AC2 (in 2012), the Assassins HQ, etc.
So, I've created 3 possible scenarios for what could have happened in the AC universe in terms of locations, so first stop, Desmond is American. Yes, it's true. How do I know? Just read the first pages of the instructions manual of AC2 and you'll see. So here are the scenarios:

1. Desmond is in America and is captured by Abstergo there, but then he's brought to Italy, to one of Abstergo's facilities, and then escapes with Lucy to an Italian city south of Monteriggioni (AC2), before Abstergo crashes their hideout and they escape to Monteriggioni.

2. Desmond escapes from his parents and the other Assassins to Italy (because he wanted to know the world), where he's kidnapped and brought to the nearest Abstergo facility (in Italy).

3. Desmond was born and grew in America until he's around 5 years old (or other age, but early in his life) and then goes with his parents to the Assassins HQ, in Italy. Desmond grows, escapes, and is kidnapped.

These are 3 possible scenarios, but there are many others. All we know is that:

1. Desmond is American.
2. AC1 was set in Italy or in another country near Italy.
3. AC2 was set in an Italian city, south of Monteriggioni.

Nice theory but sadly incorrect - Desmond was born and raised in a place called "The Farm" apperently in the middle of nowhere, perhaps in America I suppose. The Farm was an Assassin HQ and he was told never too leave. He was trained to be an Assassin but on his 18th (Or 16th) Birthday he ran away - where to? I don't know, perhaps Italy, or perhaps Abstergo did just capture him and then take him to Italy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Few things here:

I doubt they're connected, but the CIA calls its training place "The Farm". Also, just because he has a neutral or American accent doesn't mean he's a citizen; you grow up with an accent based on what people around you sound like. If all of the Assassins in "The Farm" moved from America (maybe to get closer/farther away from Abstergo), then than that's what Desmond would talk like. I'm not saying you're wrong, but we can't be one hundred percent certain that he is actually born and raised in America (albeit some unknown part of it).

rosskelly92
01-27-2011, 08:19 AM
I don't think it would be Kilaminjaro. There is nothing around Kilaminjaro (no artifacts, no mention of any culture other than the local tribes who migrated there from Kenya)If TWCB had created a city there, it would be likely that some sort of evidence would have been left.

The thing about this argument you've presented is that in real life, the first human beings, homosapiens, were believed to have originated from this area of Africa, and spread outwards into the middle east.

So it most likely is Kilomanjaro, no other mountain in the world looks like that, bar mount Fuji

joaomuas
01-28-2011, 04:34 PM
I just completed the game again (I really need to buy a new game, cause since all my games are at 100%, I just keep completing ACB over and over again) and came up with some strange things:

1. At some part of the ending, Juno says "You will know only when it is too late". Maybe that has to do with Lucy: Desmond discovers she is a Templar, but it's too late to save her or turn her into an assassin, so he needs to kill her.

2. When Desmond asks the Apple for the location of the temples, those two symbols appear, but with a lot of other symbols in the background. One of them, is Abstergo's.

3. After Lucy is stabbed, they both fall and the Apple rolls over and touches Lucy's hand. It's only touching it, she's not holding it! Then, the credits roll and after that, before you go back to the Animus, there is a quick look at that scene again, BUT, in that quick look, Lucy is actually HOLDING the Apple in her hand. Wierd, no?

eddymunster1
01-29-2011, 06:44 AM
Originally posted by rosskelly92:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I don't think it would be Kilaminjaro. There is nothing around Kilaminjaro (no artifacts, no mention of any culture other than the local tribes who migrated there from Kenya)If TWCB had created a city there, it would be likely that some sort of evidence would have been left.

The thing about this argument you've presented is that in real life, the first human beings, homosapiens, were believed to have originated from this area of Africa, and spread outwards into the middle east.

So it most likely is Kilomanjaro, no other mountain in the world looks like that, bar mount Fuji </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This, if you look up mount kilimanjaro in google images, it is blatantly the same mountain shown in the truth. Mt Fuji looks quite a lot different, and Mt Blanc is in a range of mountains not standing alone like the other two.

bcrreeww228
01-29-2011, 05:36 PM
Okay here's my theory.

1) Altair IS Adam. His name means "The flying one, son of none," so I'm thinking that Altair, being the son of none, was the first created by TWCB. In The Truth in AC2, I'm thinking that it is showing the world where TWCB are in power and Adam (Altair) and Eve steal the Apple (this will lead into another part of my theory). I think before AC1 the Apple is stolen from Altair by another human (maybe one working in the factory type thing) much later (the Apple is said to be able to extend life). The facts that I believe prove that Altair is Adam is 1) Altair thinks he is above everyone else, which having the Apple for so long would reinforce, and when Al Mualim "kills" Altair, he does not die, and if he is the "son of none," he is essentially part God (could he still be alive?).

2) Just an interesting side fact, but the Phrygian cap was featured on the coin of Brutus in ancient Rome (50-something AD), yes BRUTUS, the same Brutus who's armor is stolen by the followers of the phony Romulus and worn by Ezio in ACB.

3) The last part of my theory is that there are actually three sides to this "war." Obviously Assassins vs. Templars. In AC1 the Templars are trying to obtain peace by using the POEs to control the free will of man. This violates the rights of man (Declaration of the rights of man... only place where the Phrygian cap and Masonic eye come together). The Assassins are trying to hide the POEs because no man should have that power and they are trying to protect free will. I believe the third side is TWCB. Why else would they always talk about these wars between them and man, and why else would Juno force Desmond to "kill" Lucy? TWCB originally created man and the POEs to control man as their slaves. So TWCB have the same idea as Templars but they are against each other because both sides want to be the ones in control. The Assassins are against the other sides because they are protecting free will. So Altair (Adam), as the first man created, originally steals the Apple to give the people free will. A Templar steals it from him to bring peace through the controlling of man's minds. TWCB left the world but are trying to use the next generations of assassins to get them back to power.

4) I believe that these theories will cause animus adventures in AC3 to be set in MULTIPLE time frames as MULTIPLE characters, maybe Brutus in Ancient Rome, Altair again in Masyaf, Ezio again in Italy, and someone in the French Revolution (due to the declaration of rights). I still feel like there is more of a connection to be made between time periods (Altair being Adam and living through all periods would make a connection). There will also have to be a considerable amount of time outside of the animus as Desmond, and who knows, if Altair really is Adam, maybe Desmond will meet him in 2012.

Alpha Ender
01-29-2011, 07:05 PM
The Apple cannot grant eternal life. No Piece of Eden can. At best, it can extend life, yes, but even that would have been limited. Going off of the Bible's estimate of time from Adam to Christ would give you 4,000 years (roughly). Other estimates outside religious texts put any sort of Adam (a father of all modern humans) at roughly 150,000 B.C.. Going with the religious interpretation, it would be suggested that Adam/Altair did not only live past the 1,000 years as written in Genesis (where it is also written that he died), but that he lived for roughly 5,000 years before dying sometime in the 1200's.

Also, the Codex explicitly states that Altair knew of his parents but did not associate with them much (read page 24 of http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Codex).

I like your little factoid in number 2.

Last issue: number 3, TWCB not only are gone from this world but are dead. "But time... time erodes us. We can distract him. We can see past him. Feint left when he strikes right. But his reach is so very long. His stamina unending. We cannot evade his grasp. Not forever."--Juno

"But now (post-catastrophe, not Renaissance times) we are dying. And time will work against us."--Minerva

bcrreeww228
01-29-2011, 08:12 PM
You're right, I should have read up on the Codex Pages more, they pretty much confirm that Altair did, in fact, have parents and that he has died. The meaning of his name is pretty misleading.

Another point.. Desmond is to go and find the 6th sense (knowledge?), and TWCB have 6 senses, does that mean Desmond is going to become like one of them?

I have no idea haha, there are so many possibilities.

Alpha Ender
01-29-2011, 08:30 PM
Originally posted by bcrreeww228:
You're right, I should have read up on the Codex Pages more, they pretty much confirm that Altair did, in fact, have parents and that he has died. The meaning of his name is pretty misleading.

Another point.. Desmond is to go and find the 6th sense (knowledge?), and TWCB have 6 senses, does that mean Desmond is going to become like one of them?

I have no idea haha, there are so many possibilities.

Juno: A hundred years I might speak and still you would not know us. You with five senses. Us with six. The one we kept from you. To be safe. Now, you can never know. Only try. Grasp. You can SEE. SMELL. TASTE. TOUCH. HEAR. Knowledge has been blocked away. After, when the world became undone, we tried to pass it through the blood. Tried to join you with us. You see the blue shimmer. You hear the words. But you do not know. WE SHOULD HAVE LEFT YOU AS YOU WERE. It is hard to stay contained. Knowing as we do. We wait for you, Desmond. You will come here. You will activate it. You will know only when it is too late.

I think that humans/Assassins will never fully attain "knowledge" as an inherent sense like the other 5. Juno mentions that the sixth was locked away except for the Assassins.

...which brings up a disturbing point. Adam and Eve were NOT Assassins. At least, not yet. They stole the Apple, which started the war. Proof of this is shown by the fact that you can see a member of the First Civilization commanding humans in The Truth (ACII). This quote from Juno states that the Assassin's weren't created until after the catastrophe. Which means...how did Adam and Eve fight back? They were born as humans, as slaves, not as Assassins. Geez...that is going to put a different spin on things. That means there are humans capable of fighting back against the Piece of Eden who are not blood-related to the Assassins. Then again, not too surprising, as there was the man (I think custodial; an email mentioned what he worked as) who saw the Denver event. He wasn't an Assassin or he would have been inside the compounds or conclaves with the other Assassins.

So:

The Truth shows Adam and Eve stealing a Piece of Eden.
Juno says the Assassins weren't created until after the war/catastrophe ("After, when the world became undone...").
Therefore, Adam and Eve weren't ever Assassin's (because it's passed on through blood).
Therefore, there used to be humans that could fight off the influence of a Piece of Eden.
Therefore, humans who are NOT Assassins can still fight off the influence of a Piece of Eden. Adam and Eve's traits would have passed along bloodlines; we know there are bloodlines because otherwise we wouldn't be able to see The Truth.

Everyone with me here? Or is there something I missed that changes that?

dean2100
01-31-2011, 02:32 PM
THIS IS AMAZING! There is so much that I have read tonight which has revealed so much that could happen! I love stories, and the Assassin's Creed story is one of the best ones, full of twisting and turning and confusion. The combination of history and fiction is stunning!! Its cool that everyone is so keen on unravelling the mystery!

As others have done, I shall post a little, perhaps rubbish, idea that I have picked up from this. I haven't read between page 3-6, so forgive me if I'm repeating something.

The rather controversial speech which subject sixteen makes in the animus level 'The sun, your SON' could relate to something.
As mentioned, Altair could have carried out some funky business with the Adha and created a magical son/daughter type person. Adha is thought to be the Chalice (which altair had to find in the DS versoin of AC), a relic of the 'gods' powered similarly to a piece of eden. We don't know who Ezio knocked up, he may not be relivent aside from the fact that he made the Assassins alot stronger in 1503 and also had the apple. His story may no longer be relevant. Desmond has been told to find this 'Eve' person. Perhaps the 'your son' part of sixteen's speech relates to Adam (Desmond) and Eve (a mystery girl) creating what could be a hybird of human and god first seen during the First Civisation. As the game is likely to go on for years to come, and with all the artifacts which cause mind control and time travel -(mentioned in AC1 on Vidic's PC) there could be a chance that in AC6 or something, Adam and Eve's son is very relevant!

Who really knows!

O, and what does TWCB mean????

e22homie
01-31-2011, 05:56 PM
Originally posted by megfiregoddess:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TheSpectator:
We're going to france. They did everything short of pointing it out on a map.

Come on, really? what concrete evidence do you have that Ubi has said its going to be France? If you've been able to find it, let me know cuz I haven't. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know it's not written in stone, but do you believe that it could take place in different places? Masyaf? Alamut? Shaun did say that these two figures are mainly known in... That's when it cuts off. Although, I won't be surprised if it isn't in France because Ubisoft knows how to please and fool the audience in a good way. Where do you think AC3 will take place?

megfiregoddess
01-31-2011, 08:43 PM
Originally posted by eddymunster1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rosskelly92:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I don't think it would be Kilaminjaro. There is nothing around Kilaminjaro (no artifacts, no mention of any culture other than the local tribes who migrated there from Kenya)If TWCB had created a city there, it would be likely that some sort of evidence would have been left.

The thing about this argument you've presented is that in real life, the first human beings, homosapiens, were believed to have originated from this area of Africa, and spread outwards into the middle east.

So it most likely is Kilomanjaro, no other mountain in the world looks like that, bar mount Fuji </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This, if you look up mount kilimanjaro in google images, it is blatantly the same mountain shown in the truth. Mt Fuji looks quite a lot different, and Mt Blanc is in a range of mountains not standing alone like the other two. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree Mt Fuji is defiantly not the mountain shown but if you read my earlier posts, you would see that I made a pretty good argument for Mt. Vesuvius. I really wish I could have saved that concept drawing of the mountain pre-explosion. It looked a lot like the mountain in the truth.

Also, if you would read about the true place homo sapiens were believed to have emerged is actually Ethiopia. Kilimanjaro is in Tanzania. The theory you sight of the movement of humanoids from Africa to the middle east sights them moving from Ethiopia up the coasts to Egypt. Not down through Kenya to Tanzania. The tribe that now lives at the base of Kilimanjaro migrated there from another part of Africa (Also sighted in another post of mine).

Sorry if I sound rude but maybe people should do a little research before sighting things that they don't know much about. Most of what I found can be looked up on Google maps and compared to basic anthropology theory.

ALSO, dean2100 TWCB= Those Who Came Before

bcrreeww228
02-01-2011, 11:01 PM
Originally posted by AlphaEnder:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bcrreeww228:
You're right, I should have read up on the Codex Pages more, they pretty much confirm that Altair did, in fact, have parents and that he has died. The meaning of his name is pretty misleading.

Another point.. Desmond is to go and find the 6th sense (knowledge?), and TWCB have 6 senses, does that mean Desmond is going to become like one of them?

I have no idea haha, there are so many possibilities.

Juno: A hundred years I might speak and still you would not know us. You with five senses. Us with six. The one we kept from you. To be safe. Now, you can never know. Only try. Grasp. You can SEE. SMELL. TASTE. TOUCH. HEAR. Knowledge has been blocked away. After, when the world became undone, we tried to pass it through the blood. Tried to join you with us. You see the blue shimmer. You hear the words. But you do not know. WE SHOULD HAVE LEFT YOU AS YOU WERE. It is hard to stay contained. Knowing as we do. We wait for you, Desmond. You will come here. You will activate it. You will know only when it is too late.

I think that humans/Assassins will never fully attain "knowledge" as an inherent sense like the other 5. Juno mentions that the sixth was locked away except for the Assassins.

...which brings up a disturbing point. Adam and Eve were NOT Assassins. At least, not yet. They stole the Apple, which started the war. Proof of this is shown by the fact that you can see a member of the First Civilization commanding humans in The Truth (ACII). This quote from Juno states that the Assassin's weren't created until after the catastrophe. Which means...how did Adam and Eve fight back? They were born as humans, as slaves, not as Assassins. Geez...that is going to put a different spin on things. That means there are humans capable of fighting back against the Piece of Eden who are not blood-related to the Assassins. Then again, not too surprising, as there was the man (I think custodial; an email mentioned what he worked as) who saw the Denver event. He wasn't an Assassin or he would have been inside the compounds or conclaves with the other Assassins.

So:

The Truth shows Adam and Eve stealing a Piece of Eden.
Juno says the Assassins weren't created until after the war/catastrophe ("After, when the world became undone...").
Therefore, Adam and Eve weren't ever Assassin's (because it's passed on through blood).
Therefore, there used to be humans that could fight off the influence of a Piece of Eden.
Therefore, humans who are NOT Assassins can still fight off the influence of a Piece of Eden. Adam and Eve's traits would have passed along bloodlines; we know there are bloodlines because otherwise we wouldn't be able to see The Truth.

Everyone with me here? Or is there something I missed that changes that? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wait a minute I think you're on to something here... the fact that Adam and Eve stole the Apple... obviously Assassins weren't even needed at that time... could Adam and Eve be... TEMPLARS?!?!

eddymunster1
02-02-2011, 01:11 AM
I agree Mt Fuji is defiantly not the mountain shown but if you read my earlier posts, you would see that I made a pretty good argument for Mt. Vesuvius. I really wish I could have saved that concept drawing of the mountain pre-explosion. It looked a lot like the mountain in the truth.

Also, if you would read about the true place homo sapiens were believed to have emerged is actually Ethiopia. Kilimanjaro is in Tanzania. The theory you sight of the movement of humanoids from Africa to the middle east sights them moving from Ethiopia up the coasts to Egypt. Not down through Kenya to Tanzania. The tribe that now lives at the base of Kilimanjaro migrated there from another part of Africa (Also sighted in another post of mine).

Sorry if I sound rude but maybe people should do a little research before sighting things that they don't know much about. Most of what I found can be looked up on Google maps and compared to basic anthropology theory.

ALSO, dean2100 TWCB= Those Who Came Before

Actually, on the subject of the 'true place' homosapiens are believed to have come from you should look up 'Mitochondrial Eve' the 'most recent common matrilineal (ancestry traced through mothers side) ancestor' which in fact is believed to have come from eastern Africa, around Tanzania & Kilimanjaro.

Since we are being directed towards Eve by TWCB maybe this is of significance as to where Adam and Eve were escaping from. Whether this has any real significance to the story is questionable, but I would guess in some minor way 'Mitochondrial Eve' = the fictional Eve from the truth video, hence finding her direct descendant.

Although if I understand correctly, which I probably don't, we are all direct descendants of 'Mitochondrial Eve' as we all carry her Mitochondrial DNA.

Liu_Jian
02-02-2011, 11:23 AM
Forgive me if this has been mentioned already, but I do find this email from brotherhood to be pretty interesting for a couple of reasons:


"From: William M.
To: Lucy Stillman
Date/Time: 10/09/2012 1:45 AM
Subject: Misgivings

Lucy,
The issues you raised in your last voicemail have taken me by surprise, to say the least. Think of all the work, all the stress and planning we've put into this. We had our suspicions for years about Minerva, about that particular Piece of Eden. Your tapes confirmed it, now we can study and discover the truth.
You've been waiting nearcly a decade for this day, don't put Desmond in danger just because of feelings you may or may not have. We're only going to get one shot at this with the short amount of time left. Don't fail us now.

-William"

The first reason being that, although I haven't played brotherhood in a couple of months, I specifically remember hearing Rebecca saying that Abstergo uses cell phone surveillance and could easily find them if they use cellphones... so WHY did Lucy CALL William M. instead of email him?

Also, its clear that Lucy and the other assassins have figured something out about Minerva that they haven't told the rest of the team, or at the very least haven't told Desmond. Apparently she doesn't trust what Minerva said in the Temples, which is interesting because Minerva wasn't nearly as hostile as Juno seemed to be.

I'm just curious as to why the assassins seem to be keeping so many secrets from Desmond, assuming that Lucy, Shaun and Rebecca in fact ARE really assassins. I don't see the benefit of keeping things a secret from him.

i L I A IVI i
02-02-2011, 04:05 PM
I've recently been replaying AC1 and most people may have overlooked or forgotten about the computer files and emails that say there was an accident in a base at Denver international airport, Lucy says that the first piece of Eden was destroyed somehow and I think Desmond will have to destroy the remaining pieces of Eden at the end of the series.

megfiregoddess
02-02-2011, 07:40 PM
Actually, on the subject of the 'true place' homosapiens are believed to have come from you should look up 'Mitochondrial Eve' the 'most recent common matrilineal (ancestry traced through mothers side) ancestor' which in fact is believed to have come from eastern Africa, around Tanzania & Kilimanjaro.

Since we are being directed towards Eve by TWCB maybe this is of significance as to where Adam and Eve were escaping from. Whether this has any real significance to the story is questionable, but I would guess in some minor way 'Mitochondrial Eve' = the fictional Eve from the truth video, hence finding her direct descendant.

Although if I understand correctly, which I probably don't, we are all direct descendants of 'Mitochondrial Eve' as we all carry her Mitochondrial DNA.

Eve actually hasn't been discovered. It is only proven that she did exist and that her roots lie in Africa. An exact location is not told and it can't be as she was found through the use of Mitochondrial DNA. The DNA passed from Mother to daughter and therefore existing in many female humans today. Mitochondrial Eve simply refers to the ancestor who had the first strain of Mitochondrial DNA.

Its times like this I wish I had a scanner because I have a more accurate picture of the movement of human species. I also have map marking the area to which Eve was believed to have lived which..dun dun dun dun...is in southern Ethiopia and northern Kenya, still not far enough south to be Kilimanjaro. (The only place I could find a map of Eve's possible placement was on Wikipedia and it says in the caption that it isn't accurate "Based on Several studies, Behar et al. 2008, Gonder et al. 2007, Reed and Tishkoff. Two wiki maps of Africa were used as the basis but so heavily modified only the continental outline remains roughly the same."

It would be cool though if Desmond was sent to find Mitochondrial Eve. Maybe should would hold the key to saving humanity through her DNA memory. According to Animus theory, if she was found in good state (maybe frozen or mummified) than her genetic memory encoded in her DNA could be used to look into the Animus and find the entirety of "The Truth".

After all, Ubi can do what they want. If they want to ignore fact and anthropology all together and that mountain could be Kilimanjaro after all but since the only facts I have are history, anthropology and previous games I'm theorizing that its Vesuvius since TWCB go by their Roman names. Not by a African tribal name.

blacktiger00
02-02-2011, 08:38 PM
(Was rudely told to repost this here by another member but I figure worth a shot)

Just a couple of my ideas about TWCB

okay so so far we have seen Juno and Minerva.

Minerva in the Sistine Chapel in the Vault. She was known as the creator of all ideas, or the plan of the universe. she was born from Jupiter's head without a mother. And she was often seen as the one who guided people to excel in things and helped men in war. Minerva was the creator of things and also was the keeper of memories.
I'll come back to her in a second.

Juno from the temple under the Santa Maria Aracoeli and under the colliseum. She is a bit more complex. both the sister and wife of Jupiter she was seen as the one who rules over females. She ruled over the wisdom of women and over marriages. She was the one who would approve or disapprove of matches between men and women. And any sexual union out of wedlock was frowned so much upon her it was a crime for 'prositutes' to touch her statues. She was also seen as the goddess of fruit and the goddess who brings children into the light. Juno was also known as the one who warns.

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CONNECTIONS BETWEEN JUNO AND MINERVA:
1) -- juno was so mad that jupiter had born minerva without her help that she asked flora to give her a child without his help. she gave birth to MARS who then raped a female woman who gave birth to the twins romulus and remus. One of romulus' lairs is in Juno's temple.
2) -- Minerva, juno and jupiter were seen as the Capitoline Triad, the supreme rulers of roma.
3) -- Although Juno is not present, Minerva and Jupiter share the same pedestal in the Monteriggioni Statuettes with the inscription: Here sits the king of all Olympus and beside him stands wisdom, to guide his rule. Olympus was the Greek name for the seat of the gods. It never appears in true roman mythology

POSSIBLE IDEAS FOR CONNECTIONS OF MINVERA + JUNO TO ASSASSINS CREED
Minerva ---
1) -- It fits that Minerva was the one to tell Desmond about what will happen and what has happened if she is the one who knows the universe plan.
2) -- Minerva being the keeper of memories may mean that she chose to deliver her message to Desmond through Ezio because it was the only was that she COULD or that she knew that she would not have the time or the location to do so.
3) -- As the creator of all ideas it may have been her idea and her design for the pieces of eden. The figure during the truth video of assassins creed II, the one holding the piece of eden and controlling the humans looks a lot like Minerva if you look at her headdress and her robes. The figure doesn't fit the shape of Juno.
4) -- Seen as a guide it is possible that she was the one that guided Desmond to look deeper into Ezio's memories leading to his discovery of Juno.
5) -- Minerva says to Desmond/Ezio - "So busy were we with earthly concerns, we failed to notice the heavens." this may be a reference to the fact that they were so busy with the lives of men and of earth that Juno and Jupiter (the others of the triad and king and queen of the heavens) failed in their duty.
6) -- "Built by those who knew to turn away from war." aka. not the roman gods and especially not the four mentioned (juno, jupiter, minerva and mars) as they all had close affiliations with war. Maybe the assassins or adam and eve as they are seen running, not fighting.

Juno ---
1) -- As the ruler of marriage and as Juno sees relationships out of 'wedlock' as bad things maybe she not only had Desmond kill Lucy to keep Lucy away from Desmonds destiny but to keep him from getting involved before he met his 'true match'.
2) -- Juno constantly warns Desmond against what has or will happen. She is the one who warns him against repeating mistakes and taking the wrong path.
3) -- as the one who leads children into the light it may be that she is the one who was meant to open Desmond's sixth sense, or set him on the path to do so, hence 'enlightening' him
4) -- As the goddess of fruit it may be that she was the one who held sway over the apples or that she worked with Minerva to create them. And this may be why both vaults needed an apple of eden, instead of just a piece of eden.



And thats it. I did have more ideas but in the process of typing ALL this up I forgot half of them. Oh well. If I remember I might add them later.

Again, just my ideas and little things that i picked up on but i thought it was worth mentioning.

eddymunster1
02-03-2011, 02:26 PM
I wonder if the Denver Experiment is in some way related to the conspiracy theories regarding Denver International Airport?

megfiregoddess
02-04-2011, 08:39 AM
Originally posted by eddymunster1:
I wonder if the Denver Experiment is in some way related to the conspiracy theories regarding Denver International Airport?

Which Denver experiment? You gotta be more specific.

Alpha Ender
02-04-2011, 10:04 AM
Actually, he really shouldn't have to be specific about the Denver Experiment. "I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. I KNOW WHAT YOU DID. I SAW HIM. HE HAD A METAL BALL. IT OPENED. THEY WENT CRAZY. SHOOTING. STABBING. TORE EACH OTHER TO PIECES. I KNOW IT WAS YOU PEOPLE. SAW THE LOGO. HEARD THE NAME. I'M GOING TO TELL. ANYONE WHO WILL LISTEN. YOU'LL BE EXPOSED. THEY'LL KNOW THE TRUTH. AND THEN YOU WILL PAY. YOU CRAZY BASTARDS. YOU'LL PAY. "

That's the Denver Experiment. It's mentioned in the emails in AC, and maybe the glyphs, but I can't remember specifically.

As far as your question, eddy, I don't think it's related to the whole "murals and runway swastika" bit of the Denver Airport. A lot of the conspiracies mention that the DIA is the site of the New World Order (another name Abstergo uses), so it's possible in the AC-verse that Abstergo controls the buildings underground and used a PoE to run a test of control in the DIA, which didn't exactly go as planned.

crash3
02-05-2011, 11:29 AM
we need, ac games that visit: FRANCE GERMANY ENGLAND RUSSIA EGYPT/MIDDLE EAST CHINA/JAPAN i reckon the series needs at least 4 or 5 more games to cover a wide variety of people and places and for good closure on the series

AboeSafiyyah
02-08-2011, 12:45 PM
I think i gotta it ahha

listen and share your ideas!

You are playing all the time the son of desmond, who is relieving the memory's of his father through the animus

Compare this to the speech of subject 16, who said to desmond that it is much later then he thinks

What concerns juno and minverva, they are the gods who controlled the humans and probaly eve nor adam got their hands on of the eden parts, they maintained the human will, perhapds minerva choosed their side and aided them with the appel and juno, well she was kinde, she scared me in the last part hahaha

anyway, just wanted to share it!

<span class="ev_code_RED">Please do not bypass the Language Filter.</span>

crash3
02-10-2011, 03:23 PM
whereeve the series goes next i hope JESPER KYD keeps composing amazin songs to go with the cities we visit the rome theme was spellbinding!!

crash3
02-10-2011, 03:27 PM
the next game should show the proper network of assassins and their masters-but dont rush the story too much we need 5 or 6 games to make it fully like a full story with loads of times and places visited

crash3
02-10-2011, 03:32 PM
we need much better graphics, smarter AI and more skillful guards to fight- the game needs to have a much greater sense of stealth and danger-even after the improvements in brotherhood i still felt like i was in total control and could plough my way through 30 guards without a scratch. we need to see wounds during combat better-at the beginning of brotherhood ezio gets shot once and limps around needing to get treatment from a doctor which by the way is unrealistic as it heals him straight away and then for the rest of the games a gun shot only takes off 2 or 3 squares of health-dont be afraid to make the game challenging!

Alpha Ender
02-10-2011, 07:59 PM
Your comments belong in this thread (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5251069024/m/6831010868). This thread that you're posting in is for theories about the game, especially the ending and The Truth (but that's not all of what we talk about).

Jacobmiles2010
02-11-2011, 10:38 AM
My Theory.

Since the release of Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood we have been plagued by insistances that Eve, is a physical descendant of the biblical Eve and that Desmond must mate with her in order to 'restore the bloodline' of those who came before. This is not how genetics work; if it were possible to reconstitute the genetic base code of another speciese their would have to be a larger population of said half breeds; we've only seen one with no indication that their are more (also note the use of singular noun Eve, not Eve's). No, Eve is something much more interesting.

Eve is information.

I believe Eve is the collective knowledge of all the former Grand Masters of the Assassins Order, lost to the Brotherhood when Daniel Cross murdered the former Mentor in 2000. Desmond needs this information, knowledge, wisdom etc in order to find the temples-who were built by those who turned away for war (remind me again what do Assassins say to each other? Piece in all things, brother) The Assassins, whether the current incarnation or the ancient ones built the temples. Once Desmond has downloaded 'Eve' into his head he'll be able to find the Temples AND use the sixth (whatever the hell that is)

rob.davies2014
02-12-2011, 04:09 AM
"From: William M.
To: Lucy Stillman
Date/Time: 10/09/2012 1:45 AM
Subject: Misgivings

Lucy,
The issues you raised in your last voicemail have taken me by surprise, to say the least. Think of all the work, all the stress and planning we've put into this. We had our suspicions for years about Minerva, about that particular Piece of Eden. Your tapes confirmed it, now we can study and discover the truth.
You've been waiting nearcly a decade for this day, don't put Desmond in danger just because of feelings you may or may not have. We're only going to get one shot at this with the short amount of time left. Don't fail us now.

-William"



Is is possible that Lucy knew she was going to die?
Assuming all apparent Assassins are really Assassins and forgetting the "Lucy is a Templar" Theory. The Assassins and Those Who Came Before seem to want the same thing so maybe when Juno made Desmond kill Lucy, there was no evil intent there.

I think Lucy knew she would have to be killed and that's what she was e-mailing William M. about, and when she said her feelings for Desmond might get in the way of the mission, that could've meant, she didn't want to put him through the traumatic experience of killing her.

And when William M. said:
"You've been waiting nearcly a decade for this day, don't put Desmond in danger just because of feelings you may or may not have. We're only going to get one shot at this with the short amount of time left. Don't fail us now."

This sounds like Lucy has a specific task above the other Assassins. Which is, possibly, to accept her fate.
It's a possibility...

joaomuas
02-12-2011, 09:38 AM
I was just watching a video of a theory about the franchise. The guy was playing AC1, talking about Subject 16's drawings in blood (don't ask me what he said, it was really stupid), and I noticed Subject 16 wrote Yonaguni on the floor. That's the name of a Japanese island! Could that mean something?

P.S. - In ACB there's an e-mail sent by William M. to Lucy in which he says "we just had lunch". Can you please put this e-mail here and include the date/time in which it was sent?

BradB97
02-12-2011, 01:16 PM
Assassins Creed 3, in my opinion, will start with a new setting/ancestor and still Desmond. WW2 would be an awesome setting. It could be a conspiracy that the Nazis are really templars or something.

rob.davies2014
02-12-2011, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by BradB97:
Assassins Creed 3, in my opinion, will start with a new setting/ancestor and still Desmond. WW2 would be an awesome setting. It could be a conspiracy that the Nazis are really templars or something.

I like this idea but, in my opinion, Victorian London would be a better setting for Assassin's Creed 3.

megfiregoddess
02-12-2011, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by joaomuas11:
P.S. - In ACB there's an e-mail sent by William M. to Lucy in which he says "we just had lunch". Can you please put this e-mail here and include the date/time in which it was sent?

If you go here (http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Lucy's_E-mail) you will find all of Lucy's e-mails including the from William M.

As for what RussellSparrow said, I think you could be right, it would fit with Lucy's character. She just seems like too open of a person to be a double agent.

crash3
02-13-2011, 01:50 PM
it would be cool to see desmond activate a temple in modern time but it needs to be a bit more believable-juno and minerva should have just been voices you hear while in the temple not some holographic image-also they didnt say anything that helped the story progress im still not clear about these being "who came before".

rob.davies2014
02-13-2011, 03:47 PM
Originally posted by crash3:
it would be cool to see desmond activate a temple in modern time but it needs to be a bit more believable-juno and minerva should have just been voices you hear while in the temple not some holographic image-also they didnt say anything that helped the story progress im still not clear about these being "who came before".

At the end of AC2, Minerva had to interact with the Apple. If she'd been a voice instead of a hologram then she would've been unable to do this.

madigari
02-13-2011, 05:44 PM
Apologies if this has been mentioned before, but to the topic of Lucy being a traitor, I feel it's likely she may be one for the following reasons:

1) People claim that Abstergo would not attack her or interrupt her work if she was still with Abstergo, that Vidic's attack, her killing Abstergo guards, and their constant movement would be indicative of the fact that she has broken ties with them. There are an endless number of reasons why this would not be. Templars have gone to the point of deceit towards those they intend to use, up to and including other Templars. As for the Abstergo guards, batons as resistance to escape? For a corporation/organization that has had major ties into assassinations, shadow government, and so forth, batons? If Lucy had actually been a traitor to the Templar cause, I don't think Abstergo would have been beyond offing or subduing them with something a bit more semi-automatic, especially considering they intended to kill Desmond once already. (But then, the intent to kill Desmond in Assassin's Creed 1 could have just been part of the trick to get him to trust Lucy, too.)

2) A lot of people have mentioned her disappearance and reappearance during Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood from the various sites I have looked into. But not many seem to be mentioning the addition of an item to her desk once she does come back. After she returns, sitting to the left of her monitor is a little pen with two blinking yellow lights on the end of it. A pen much similar to the ones we've seen only one other time: Assassin's Creed 1, where Desmond had to pilfer such pens off Vidic and Lucy to hack their e-mail accounts at Abstergo. Now, why would she disappear, and why would she return to place an item like that on her desk, especially when it's clear from Erudito's e-mail that those pens aren't used or needed by the Assassins' team to access their e-mail accounts?

3) On the subject of Erudito, if the team is as friendly and traitor free, what would be the need to 'stay within the loop'? And, when staying within the loop, who is the only one reportedly using a cellphone, even when cellphone use is supposed to be a poor idea? Who is the one who continues to have shady communique? (I can see William M. sending to Shaun, but he just turns around and puts that information right back out to the team, barring the one thing he asks Shaun to keep quiet until more details are found. But Lucy? Every thing she gets to him, she does in a way that no one else can see, except, if by cellular phone, Abstergo, perhaps?)

These are quantifiable facts about Lucy's behavior that strike me as suspicious. I won't attribute the red Eagle Vision trail to her; there's no proof, especially when she shows up as Blue all the way through the Monteriggioni experience. I also won't attribute Subject 16's warning to Lucy; 'she' is a really vague identifier, and there's five 'she's that we know of so far: Lucy, Rebecca, Minerva, Juno, and Eve.

But, based on what we know about Abstergo and what we know about their methods of surveillance and dealing with a problem over the course of all games, and based on Lucy's behavior during the course of Brotherhood? The three reasons above are quantifiable as to Lucy's suspicious behavior/possible traitor status.

Alpha Ender
02-14-2011, 05:12 PM
Originally posted by crash3:
it would be cool to see desmond activate a temple in modern time but it needs to be a bit more believable-juno and minerva should have just been voices you hear while in the temple not some holographic image-also they didnt say anything that helped the story progress im still not clear about these being "who came before".

I'm not sure what you mean about this statement: ...these being "who came before".

If by that you mean you don't understand TWCB: they were here before us. Whether that means they landed here, evolved first, whatever, it doesn't matter. What does matter is they essentially created us, whether by making us from scratch (or a blueprint; again, irrelevant), or by engineering present hominids to create us. When they created/engineered us, they also include a neuron receptor designed to respond to Pieces of Eden, which was their power over us, and the reason why Al Mualim was able to control people, Ezio was able to appear as multiples when fighting Rodrigo, and why Ezio was able to "control" the guards with the Apple.

If you mean something else, then I don't understand your question but would love to answer it (and clarify anything I might have muddled up there).

As far as them being holographs instead of voices, a few reasons. One, it would be easier for someone to accept something like a hologram then a disembodied voice, especially when Ezio met Minerva in the Vault. If it was like...a computer with a scanning field where you placed the Apple, it would be emotionally harder to connect with it, to heed its warning, etc. If you've ever played Mass Effect, when you meet with the Prothean VI, it starts as a voice (very frustrating and eerie) and then you see the hologram (much more reassuring). This could have been their reasoning for having holograms instead of voices, just emotional reassurance, and considering the time that Minerva was discovered (late 1400's), a computer would have been extremely unnerving. Putting a face to the name Minerva and communicating with something that at least was reminiscent of a human helps us relax and remember things better from the conversation instead of freaking out where all we can remember is that it was a talking box.

Also, @ madigari, welcome to the Forums! I see you've already been busy, ten posts in a short time, and we are glad to have you! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

madigari
02-14-2011, 05:39 PM
Thanks for the welcome, I appreciate it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif On point to what you're talking about, Those Who Came Before being holograms, however, I can't help but scratch my head at that one.

Specifically, holograms aren't sentient beings. Both Minerva and Juno reacted to what they were being fed by external influence, I.E., Ezio and Desmond. (She tells Ezio to shut up. That's pretty reactive, in my book. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )

What strikes me as similar to the projection of Minerva and Juno, however, is the projection of Subject 16 when he forms in the Animus 2.0. He was sentient, he responded to Desmond's questions, and, as you pointed out in the Mass Effect analogy, he was creepy when he was the disembodied voice (presumably Animus 1.0's own - I have noticed that the disembodied voice is the same as Abstergo's Animus).

Now, the real question here is, did Subject 16 gather the information to do that by meeting Minerva and/or Juno himself? If so, it would lend credence to the "she" he references being either Juno or Minerva, especially if either of them did something as traumatic to him as they did to Desmond (it would help him along on the flipping out and killing himself, that's for sure).

But, on the flip side, he's telling Desmond to do the same thing that Juno is, and that's find Eve...Which could lend credence to the theory that Lucy is a traitor and she is the 'she' Subject 16 references.

I suppose it's up for interpretation until The Truth (version 3) comes out. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Alpha Ender
02-14-2011, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by madigari:
Thanks for the welcome, I appreciate it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif On point to what you're talking about, Those Who Came Before being holograms, however, I can't help but scratch my head at that one.

Specifically, holograms aren't sentient beings. Both Minerva and Juno reacted to what they were being fed by external influence, I.E., Ezio and Desmond. (She tells Ezio to shut up. That's pretty reactive, in my book. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )

What strikes me as similar to the projection of Minerva and Juno, however, is the projection of Subject 16 when he forms in the Animus 2.0. He was sentient, he responded to Desmond's questions, and, as you pointed out in the Mass Effect analogy, he was creepy when he was the disembodied voice (presumably Animus 1.0's own - I have noticed that the disembodied voice is the same as Abstergo's Animus).

Now, the real question here is, did Subject 16 gather the information to do that by meeting Minerva and/or Juno himself? If so, it would lend credence to the "she" he references being either Juno or Minerva, especially if either of them did something as traumatic to him as they did to Desmond (it would help him along on the flipping out and killing himself, that's for sure).

But, on the flip side, he's telling Desmond to do the same thing that Juno is, and that's find Eve...Which could lend credence to the theory that Lucy is a traitor and she is the 'she' Subject 16 references.

I suppose it's up for interpretation until The Truth (version 3) comes out. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

A few explanations for why it could have responded to external stimuli:
We know that humans using a PoE could see into the future, at least glimpses. TWCB could have had it more controlled, seen the future a bit better (remember, you're talking about a race that created artifacts that cause time anomalies and paradoxes).

Another explanation goes along the lines of a VI with a personality in it, or even an AI. I know I've already referenced Mass Effect, but for a race that can create these kind of artifacts and create OR engineer the human race with all its subtleties...would it be too much of a stretch for a race that powerful to be able to create a VI/AI?

Proof that could lean towards the second explanation can be shown with your comment about S16. Why couldn't they have done the same thing as he's doing (whatever it is he's doing)?

madigari
02-14-2011, 06:47 PM
That's entirely true, yes. I can't discount those possibilities; however, I'd say the second explanation holds more weight than the first, if only because we have no evidence so far that Subject 16 grasped a Piece of Eden so far.

abnormal-chris
02-16-2011, 02:56 PM
I think the game dates back to the Sumerians and Juno and Minerva were the Annunaki and made Adam and Eve as slaves.

Alpha Ender
02-16-2011, 07:57 PM
Originally posted by abnormal-chris:
I think the game dates back to the Sumerians and Juno and Minerva were the Annunaki and made Adam and Eve as slaves.

Longer, actually. Read through the Assassin's Creed Wiki on the Toba catastrophe (http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Toba_catastrophe). It mentions the catastrophe happened 69-77K years ago, and that it was actually a solar flare (or other space based catastrophe, not a volcano). This is when the humans and TWCB had to work to rebuild, and when TWCB died off (but not before creating the Assassins, obviously). Sumerians date back to 4-5K years (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumer) B.C..

TwentyGlyphs
02-16-2011, 10:11 PM
The current cycle of the Mayan Long Count calendar began on August 11, 3114 BCE. Some accounts say Adam and Eve lived around 4004 BCE. Each Mayan long count period goes from the date 0.0.0.0.0 to 13.0.0.0.0, with the next 13 being 12/21/2012. The last creation cycle is said to have ended when the Long Count calendar was last at 13.0.0.0.0, which is within 900 years of the date of Adam and Eve. Each cycle on the Long Count calendar is sometimes referred to as a day or a new Sun. I still wonder why the date on the Truth video is classified. Just to create more mystery? Or is there an actual reason for the classified date BCE?

yly3
02-17-2011, 12:37 AM
OK, this is not a theory, it's just what I think the idea or the point of this entire franchise is all about.
I think the apple is just a tool to create ilusions, to give the feeling you have the power but what it actually does is just showing how weak the human individual is, spiritually especially. The hunger we have for achieving something the easy way. It's just one big moral I think. Ubisoft franchises tend to do that, see PoP or Splinter Cell.
I think the story would end by proving that there is God after all and Jesus and all that, it's just that we need to fight and believe in life in order to achieve what we want and do it "legally" and properly moral.
Sure, there will a lot of fiction used in the next sequels, but don't you see ? This is basically a battle between good and evil.
Freedom, choice, control, will, doubt, fear etc.
It's the first thing I thought about when I finished AC1.

I'm really curious where the story is going

crewjew92
02-17-2011, 09:18 PM
I don't know if this is any significance whatsoever, or if anyone has said this before, but Ubisoft is currently in production of a survival game called "I Am Alive." Maybe it's just a coincidence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_Alive

k20ml
02-20-2011, 09:29 AM
It looks awesome but I hope it would not be like Uncharted series.

assassinmav96
02-25-2011, 11:52 AM
i've heard many interesting theories about where the story is going, but this is my prediction.

there is going to be a major disaster on our planet with something having to do with the sun. I think we can all agree on that. nut i really have no clue why finding the temples could save the planet. just throws me off.

ok so here's my all and all prediction. i believe the whole assassin's creed series is a memory of a memory. i believe Desmond found "Eve" and concieved a child. and that child is the one going through desmonds memories. i believe in a way Desmond is "Adam" yet he still needs to find "Eve". Now, we found out at the end of AC Brotherhood that Lucy is NOT "Eve". If you recall, Juno says to Desmond, "The cross darkens things" or something along those lines. I believe Juno is referring to the Templars, since their symbol is a cross. I also believe that Lucy is a double agent working for the Templars, and that Juno made Desmond kill her, because Juno knew about Lucy's true alleigence. Unlike, some of the people i've heard predictions of, i believe the AC series will go past an AC3. i think after AC 3, there will be something similar to brotherhood. Brotherhood was like an AC 2.5, so i believe after AC 3, there will be something like an AC 3.5.

now let me go back to that thing i said earlier about Desmonds son. if you all completed the truth sequence in brotherhood, it points to 2 possible solutions. 1, that desmonds son is going thru desmonds memories like i said b4. OR subject 16 being alive. if what subject 16 said to you at the end of the truth sequence is all accurate, then it points to those 2 solutions. I believe AC 3 will be a failure to save the planet. i believe that Desmond will find a couple of temples but be unable to save the world. the second half of the game will be trying to find "Eve". This would also actually work cause if you had 100 story sky scrapers and machine guns, i don't think and AC game would actually blend. Unless they completely changed the combat system. which i dont think they'll do.

Ok so that's my opinion on whats gonna happen. feel free to agree or disagree with me! haha byee

zedzaaa1
03-12-2011, 09:22 PM
HEY GUYS IM NEW TO THE UBI FORUMS,

SINCE I BAUGHT MY PS3, THE FIRST GAME IN WHICH I PURCHASED, THE ONLY DRAWBACK I FOUND WITH THIS GAME WAS THAT AFTER COMPLETING A FEW OF THE ASSASSINATIONS
THE GAME BECAME REPETITIVE. BUT NONETHELESS I STILL THOURGHALY ENJOYED IT, AS THE STORY IS BOTH INTERESTING & COMPELLING. I WASNT AS EXCITED ABOUT THE
RELEASE OF AC2 AS I WAS BROTHERHOOD AND IT'S SEQUAL. NONETHELESS SINCE THE RELEASE OF AC2 THE INTRODUCTION, PLOT AND NEW GAMEPLAY ELEMENTS HAD ME LEFT
BREATHLESS. BY THE CONCLUSION OF AC2 AS IM SURE EVERY ONE ELSE WHO PLAYED IT WANTED ANSWERS.IMMEDIATLY!. BEFORE I GIVE MY INTERPRETATION OF THE GAMES'
EVENTS I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT AS A VERY KEEN GAMER, THE ASSASSIN'S CREED SERIES IS BY FAR CONTAINS THE BEST CREATIVE WRITING I HAVE EVER EXPERIENCED
IN VIDEO GAMES.EVER. UBISOFT WILL HAVE US GUESSING AT EVERY TURN OF THE CORNER.

(FEEL FREE TO SKIP THE NEXT THREE PARS)

WHAT I HAD TAKEN FROM AC1, IN THE MOST SIMPLE TERMS THE APPLE OF EDEN, KNOWN BY MANY DIFFERENT TERMS DURING THE AGES WAS SAUGHT AFTER BY ABSTERGO,
AN INTERNATIONAL PHARMACUTICAL CORPORATION WHAT IS NOT WHAT IT SAYS ON THE TIN. THEY KIDNAP EL DESMONDO AND EXPLORE HIS GENETIC MEMORY. WHAT DESMOND
DISCOVERED IS THAT HIS GENETIC ANCESTOR Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad WAS INVOLVED IN A BLOODY CONFLICT DURING THE PERIOD OF THE THIRD CRUSADE WHICH RESULTED IN
HIM DEFEATING HIS MASTER AND BECOMING THE GRAND MASTER OF THE ASSASSIN ORDER AND RECOVERING THE PIECE OF EDEN. ABSTERGO WERE AFTER THE MAP PROJECTED FROM
APPLE, IT WAS NOT CERTAIN AT THIS TIME BUT THESE PROJECTIONS SHOWED THE LOCATIONS OF PIECES OF EDEN AND/OR TEMPLES DISCUSSED IN THE SEQUALS. AFTER THIS EVENT
ABSTERGO WANTED TO DISPOSE OF DESMOND, BUT LUCY PERSUADED THEM HE COULD BE OF MORE USE. TWO THINGS WERE TAKEN FROM THE END, DESMOND DEVELOPED EAGLE VISON
AND THE CRYPTIC RIDDLES OF SUBJECT 16. THE SYMBOLS WRITTEN IN BLOOD ALL OVER THE ROOM SUGGESTED A DOOMSDAY EVENT FOR EXAMPLE THE BARCODE 12.21.2012.
THE RELIGIOUS SYMBOLOGY FROM MULTIPLE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS AND RELIGIONS HAD US CLUTCHING AT STRAWS.

FROM AC2 WE WERE INTRODUCED TO EZIO AUDITORE DI FIRENZE, ANOTHER COMMON ANCESTOR BETWEEN SUBJECTS 16 AND 17. LUCY BROKE EZIO OUT OF THE ABSTERGO FACILITY,
THE CAR PARK SIGNS WERE IN ITALIAN INDICATING THE LOCATION ON THE FACILITY AND WHERE THEY FLED IN A CAR. THE GOALS OF AC2 WERE (1)TO TURN DESMOND INTO A
MASTER ASSASSIN BY FOLLOWING IN EZIO'S FOOTSTEPS AND ABSORBING THESE SKILLS EZIO LEARNED IN HIS LIFETIME IN A MATTER OF DAYS. (2) TO LEARN THE INFORMATION
FROM ALTAIR'S CODEX RELATING TO PIECES OF EDEN AND A MYSTERY VAULT. EZIO CONCLUDES THIS CHAPTER OF HIS LIFE BY RECOVERING THE SIXTH APPLE OF EDEN AND ALSO
THE STAFF OF EDEN AND ACTIVATING THE VAULT UNDER THE SISTINE CHAPEL IN ROME. THE NEW CONCEPT OF THOSE WHO CAME BEFORE. A TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED CIVILIZATION
WHO ENSLAVED MANKIND BY USING THESE ARTIFACTS. WAR BROKE OUT, MANKIND AND THEIR OPPRESSORS. BOTH HAD THEIR POPULATIONS LOWERED SIGNIFICANTLY, BUT THEY REBUILT.
EVENTUALLY TWCB BECAME EXTINCT, ONLY LEAVING BEHIND HOLOGRAPHIC PROJECTIONS AND THEIR PIECES OF EDEN. THE ONLY SIGNIFICANT POINTS TO BE TAKEN ARE;
TEMPLARS CAME TO RECLAIM DESMOND UNSUCCESSFULY AND THE ASSASSINS FLED NORTH. NINE CONFIRMED PIECES OF EDEN
(APPLES 1-5 IN THE TRUTH VIDEOS, APPLE 6 CENTRAL TO THE STORY, THE SHROUD, THE STAFF AND THE SWARD) I WILL REFER TO THE TRUTH
PUZZLES, SUBJECT 16 LATER, BUT AC2 LEFT US FRUSTRATED AND US LOOKING IMMEDIATLY TO THE SEQUAL.

ACB GAVE US THE CONTINUATION OF EZIO'S INCOMPLETE STORY AND HIS QUEST TO RECONSTRUCT THE ASSASSIN ORDER AND RECOVER THE APPLE OF EDEN. THE STAFF WAS RETAINED
BY THE VATICAN VAULT ONLY TO BE RECOVERED LATER. EZIO REBUILT ROME WITH A FLOURISHING ASSASSIN ORDER AT IT'S HEART AND DEFEATED HIS FOES, RECOVERING THE APPLE
AND SEALING IT IN ANOTHER MYSTERY VAULT. TO BE RECOVERED BY DESMOND WHO WAS VIEWING SIMILAR HOLOGRAPHIC PROJECTIONS OF JUNO ANOTHER OF TWCB. FOR SOME UNKNOWN
REASON THE APPLE FROZE TIME, AND MADE DESMOND APPEAR TO STAB LUCY, ONCE AGAIN THAT WAS AN UNEXPECTED CONCLUSION WITH US WANTING ANSWERS. IN THE DA VINCI DLC
EZIO RESCUED LEONARDO FROM AN UNDERGROUND CULT WHO WERE LOOKING FOR THE PERFECT NUMBER, THE ANSWER TO ALL QUESTIONS, EZIO WAS SUCCESSFULL, EXPLORED THE TEMPLE
WHERE HE FOUND LEONARDO ONLY TO DISCOVER A MESSAGE NOT MEANT FOR EZIO DIRECTLY. EZIO'S STORY STILL HAS MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS WHICH I HAVE NO DOUBT WILL
BE ANSWERED IN THE SEQUAL OR FUTURE.

THE MAIN QUESTIONS I HAD WAS,

WHERE IS THE SEQUAL GOING TO BE?
WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO LUCY?
HOW THE HELL DID SHAUN AND EZIO KNOW THE NUMBER TO THE VAULT?
SUBJECT 16... IF YOU WANT TO TELL US SOMTHING...TELL US?

BUT FIRST I WILL TALK ABOUT SOME THINGS THAT DONT ADD UP WITH ABSTERGO AND OTHER THEORY'S.
IT HAS BEEN SAYS BEFORE, ABSTERGO WANTED TO KILL DESMOND AT THE END OF AC1, THERE WAS A SUPPOSED VIOLENT GUNFIGHT THAT RESULTED IN THE DEATH OF A TEAM OF
ASSASSIN'S TRYING TO BREAK OUT DESMOND. WHY WOULD A MULTINATIONAL COMPANY WITH INFLUENCE IN EVERY LEVEL OF GOVERMENT AND RELATED AUTHORITY'S COMES AFTER
SOMEONE WITH BATS. WHY BUTCHER THE OTHER ASSASSINS AT ABSTERGO AND MAKE SUCH A FEEBLE ATTEMPT TO RECOVER DESMOND? ALOT OF LINKS HAVE BEEN PROPOSED LINKING
THE TEMPLARS TO FREEMASONS, THE ILLUMANATI AND OTHER SIMILAR ORGANIZATIONS. SOMONE POSTED EARLIER THAT THEIR IS ALOT OF SYMBOLOGY PRESENT IN THE DA VINCI
CODE AND ANGELS AND DEMON'S, HISTORY SHOWS US THAT THEY WERE SCIENTISTS, WHO LOOKED FOR ENLIGHTENMENT THROUGH SCIENCE. THE MAIN THING ABOUT THE TEMPLE
OF PYTHAGORAS IN THE DLC, WHAT DID YOU NOTICE ABOUT THE ORDER OF THE ROOMS. EARTH - AIR - FIRE - WATER THE FOUR FUNDAMENTAL ELEMENTS OF SCIENCE. I DONT
BELIEVE THIS IS A COINCIDENCE. ALSO BEFORE YOU ENTER THE CHAMBER.(THE AREA WHERE YOU RESCUE DA VINCI) YOU WILL SEE AN IMAGE ON ITS FACE.
AT FIRST THIS MAY SEEM MEANINGLESS BUT IT IS RELATED A PHRYGIAN CAP. http://housebarra.com/EP/ep06/16cap.html. IT'S THE SIXTH IMAGE WHEN YOU GOOOGLE
PHRYGIAN CAP, CHECK IT OUT IT'S UNCANNY.

AT FIRST SIGHT I BELIVED THE MASONIC EYE POINTED TO AMERICA, THE DOLLAR BILL. THIS IS QUANTIFIED BY THE GPS CO ORDINATES GIVEN IN THE DLC, I DONT KNOW WHAT
TO MAKE ABOUT THE LAKE IN QUESTION BUT THEIR IS TWO LOCATIONS IN THE CLOSE VACINITY. ROME NY AND TURIN NY. EVEN THE WASHINGTON DC IS LITTERED WITH ANCIENT
AND ROMAN SYMBOLOGY. ULTIMATLY IF THE TEMPLARS HAVE PULL IN EVERY DOMESTIC AGENCY...DESMOND IS NOT GOING TO AMERICA. IT HOWEVER DOES BEG THE QUESTION OF
HOW THEY WERE ABLE TO GRAB HIM BASED ON A FINGERPRINT BASED ON A MOTORCYCLE LICENCE. HE SAYS HE USED ANOTHER NAME BUT A FINGERPRINT IS USLESS UNLESS YOU
ALLREADY HAVE SOMTHING TO COMPARE IT TO...A BIT SUSPECT. WITH REGARDS TO THE SEQUAL, THE POPULAR CHOICE IS THE FRENCH AND AMERICAN REVOLUTION. MY OPINION IS
THE SEQUAL WILL BE IN BOTH OF THESE TIMES. WITH REGARDS TO THE LAKE I HAVE FOUND SOME INTERESTING INFO IN REGARD TO THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION. IN THE AREA IS A
FORT STANWIX NY COMMONLY KNOWN AS "THE FORT THAT NEVER SURRENDERED" INVOLVED IN THIS CONFLICT WAS GEORGE WASHINGTON, FATHER OF THE US, AND A HOLDER OF
ANOTHER POE (SEE TRUTH FILES) THE FRENCH AND AMERICAN REVOLUTIONS WERE CLOSLY LINKED AND MAY RESULT IN AC3 BEING BETWEEN BOTH AMERICA AND FRANCE, NAPOLEON
ALSO HELD A DIFFERENT POE TO WASHINGTON. THE ONLY THING THAT POINTS TO THE FRENCH REVOLUTION IS THE DECLARATION OF RIGHT SOMTHING MAN SOMTHING CITEZEN.

MORE EVIDENCE POINTS TO AMERICA DUE TO THE DLC HINTS PRIMERALY THE CO-ORDINATES BUT ALSO I HAVE ESTABLISHED THAT THE REGION THAT ENCOMPASSES THE LAKE,
TURIN AND ROME NY. IT IS IN NEW YORK'S 24TH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT. YOU MAY BELIEVE I AM CLUTCHING AT STRAWS BUT IN THE DLC DA VINCI STATED SOMTHING
ALONG THE LINES AS ...UNITY ACHIEVED BY MULTIPLICITY. IF YOU TAKE THE SHROUD FOR INSTANCE, OR THE TURIN SHROUD AS IT IS COMMONLY KNOWN, RADIOCARBONDATING
HAS ESTABLISHED THAT THE ONE IN ITALY WAS NOT FROM THE TIME OF CHRIST. IF ONE IS TO ASSUME THE SHROUD RESURECTED JESUS HE ROSE AGAIN 3 DAYS AFTER DEATH.
REMEMBER WHAT I WAS SAING ABOUT MULTIPLICITY. MULTIPLY THE TWO NUMBERS OF THIS SECTION...

72!!!!!!!
I BELIEVE THE SHROUD IN ITALY TURIN IS A REPLICA OF THE REAL SHROUD WHICH WAS TAKEN TO TURIN NY...
BOOM, I HAVE EXCORSISED THE DEMON,THIS HOUSE IS CLEARRR

WAIT ONE THING DOES PUZZLE ME, THE ONLY CONCRETE LINK TO FRANCE IS WHAT IS SAYS BY SHAUN, IT IS STILL UNCLEAR HOW EZIO DISCOVERED 72. AS MENTIONED
EARLYER HE DID REFER TO THE FRENCH REVOLUTION, ALSO THE TETRAGRAMMATON LINKS TO THE CHAPEL IN THE PALACE OF VERSAILLES
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F...ersailles_France.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tetragrammaton_at_5th_Chapel_of_the_Palace_of _Versailles_France.jpg) I AM PUZZLED HOW HE GOT THIS FROM THE INFO
ON THE WALL IN THE SANCTUARY THOUGH. THE TRIANGLE MADE UP OF SEVERAL SMALLER TRIANGLES IS A DIRECT LINK TO PYTHAGORAS. IT IS A PYTHAGOREAN SYMBOL
CALLED A TETRACTYS...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tetractys.svg AND THE 3 NUMBERS ARE 1419 1420 1421 IN REVERENCE TO EXODUS

"Then the angel of God who was going before the host of Israel moved and went behind
them, and the pillar of cloud moved from before them and stood behind them, coming between
the host of Egypt and the host of Israel. And there was the cloud and the darkness. And it lit up the night
Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea, and the LORD drove the sea back by a strong east wind all night
and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided."

LINKING THIS PASSAGE IN NO WAY LINKS TO 72, ITS ESTABLISHED BY THE HEBREW NAME OF GOD IS YHWH AND WHEN YOU PUT IT INTO A TRIANGLE LIKE THE
TETRACTYS AND ALLOCATE THE LETTERS A NUMBER CORROSPONDING TO THEIR PACE STARTING AT THE BASE AND FINISHING AT THE APEX YOU ARE SUPOSED
TO GET 72 BUT I DONT UNDERSTAND THE NUMBER ALLOCATED TO EACH LETTER SEEMS LIKE A QUESTION FABRICATED TO REACH A CONCLUSION. H=5 W=6 Y=10 THE
NUMBER 72 IS DEFINATLY INTERTWINED TO EVERY IMPORTANT ASPECT OF THE GAME BUT THESE VALUES DONT MAKE SENCE TO ME.

FROM WHAT I HAVE GOT FROM THE FULL SIERIES IS THAT PIECES OF EDEN CHANGE HANDS ON A REGULAR BASIS, WITH EACH USER IT SEEMS TO HAVE DIFFERENT
PROPERTIES, WITH AL MUALIM IT FROZE ALTAIR, CREATED THE ILLUSION HE STABBED HIM, AND MORPHED HIM INTO MULTIPLE FORMS, AS THIS DID WITH EZIO BUT HE
DID NOT VIEW ANY MAPS, HE ONLY GOT SYMBOLS FROM THE APPLE. AND WITH DESMOND THE APPLE MADE HIM APPEAR TO STAB LUCY. I DONT KNOW WHAT THE SCORE IS
LUCY DYING BUT REMEMBER, NOTHING IS TRUE, EVERYTHING IS PERMITTED.


THAUGHTS PLZ?http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
PSN ZEDZAAA 100% SYNC ON AC1,AC2 AND ACB MULTIPLAYER LV 50 GRAND MASTER TEMPLAR

zedzaaa1
03-12-2011, 09:39 PM
also i forgot about the toba catastrophy...
this near extinction event ocurred and estemated
67000-77000 years ago, a safe bet that we will
soon establish it occured 72000 years ago
***feel free to insert dramatic music***

Eurostar7
03-14-2011, 11:57 AM
Daniel Cross is Subject 4, there is no way he could be in ACB at the end of the credits.

He was in The Farm back in 1998, when Bill Miles (could possibly be William M.) was taking care of Daniel's memories of Nikolai and the Tungutska incident in Russia. He was probably taken by Abstergo in 2000, or 2001.

What i found to be interesting is that Desmond Miles was a bartender before he was taken by Abstergo, and Daniel Cross was an alcoholic that went to bars. I bet Daniel and Desmond crossed paths at the bar Desmond worked at.

I think either Shaun or Lucy are double agents. The other girl in 2012 era never left the Assassin Shrine in Monterggioni, but Shaun and Lucy left for 'weekly supplies' and if you put on Eagle Eye as Desmond walking around Monterggioni, youll see RED footprints from the entrance of the Villa to the bottom of the stairs leading to the actual town. As you know, red means enemy.

With that said, i believe Subject 16 is also alive, and he used Abstergo Templar's blood to write on the wall before Desmond was captured by Abstergo, since the writing was also in Red. In order for Subject 16 to escape Abstergo, he'd have to kill numerous templars. Since he was having severe Bleeding Effect, i bet he killed templars and wrote in their blood not on purpose, but because he was living his ancestors memories at the time. I think the biggest hint of his survival is the "I am Alive" trophy.

FragonAge
03-15-2011, 12:40 PM
Hi everyone. I don't know if ayone already thought about this theory but I was just reading the story of the apple of discord. Rings a bell? If you don't know here's the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J..._of_Paris_(mythology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgement_of_Paris_(mythology))
I'm thinking the PoE is the apple of discord. So that means the God in the third AC could be Venus because Paris had to choose between Minerva, Juno and Venus.

Eurostar7
03-15-2011, 02:28 PM
One more thing that i never heard anyone mention before....

Marcus Junius Brutus

*Junius? Juno? Could there be a coincidence here?*

He must have been the first person to enter the temples and shrines of "Those Who Came Before" since Brutus existed a millenium before Altair was born.

He put his hand on a pedestal and received a LOT of information that has been only uncovered by him. His last scroll said something about going into a room and saying something out loud but then it said that the rest of the Romulus Scroll #6 is missing or ripped out, meaning somebody might have taken it.

El_Sjietah
03-23-2011, 05:33 PM
Originally posted by Eurostar7:
One more thing that i never heard anyone mention before....

Marcus Junius Brutus

*Junius? Juno? Could there be a coincidence here?*

He must have been the first person to enter the temples and shrines of "Those Who Came Before" since Brutus existed a millenium before Altair was born.

He put his hand on a pedestal and received a LOT of information that has been only uncovered by him. His last scroll said something about going into a room and saying something out loud but then it said that the rest of the Romulus Scroll #6 is missing or ripped out, meaning somebody might have taken it.

OR it was a common Roman family name.

Holborn11
03-26-2011, 09:18 AM
I was just reading that wikia page to remember things, and blah.
There's lots of stuff that doesn't make sense.

I dont have a theory, I have questions (that could lead to a theory).

Let's leave desmond and templars and whatever aside for a min.

We see in that truth video with Eve, a TWCB controlling humans to work... with hammers;
They have all this knowledge and supposedly are so advanced. But whatever. What are their
purpose? They needed humans as a workforce for what? Why choose not to give the 6th sense
to humans, make them 100% as they are? Wouldn't this actually helped them more achieving whatever
they want, since humans then would have knowledge - would be as advanced? Since they would know what
the TWCB know, understand what & why it needs to be done, there wouldn't be any rebellion and need to
control, unless themselves TWCB didn't all believe in the same things.

Is this why they made humans at all in the first place and not just reproduce? Even genetically. Just
produce more of themselves. They can't maybe? After the catastrophe they went extinct after some time
unlike the humans. It was then also that they tried to give the 6th sense to humans. They can't
reproduce themselves but can with a human? And they even failed at it, while Juno made it sound they
could but it was a decision not to give it to them.

It seems to me -things not making sense aside- that the TWCB are flawed themselves just as we are.
They come as so high and mighty and they can't even save themselves. They don't all have one mind.
Thats probably why they made humans, and why didn't gave them the 6th sense and wanted them docile.
Cause all knowing =/= all believing in the same things. Most of them were fighting humans while some
(wiser not wanting war) went on to build the temples and store there the artifacts and such.

If we're to believe otherwise, that all TWCB are the same, and since they have all this knowledge and
chose to have the humans dumb and ignorant, thus presenting it as the right thing to do, we should all
be then cheering for the templars and not the assassins, right? They may lack the knowledge but want
peace even if it means the rest of the world made obedient just as TWCB. And as time goes by they
would eventually managed to gain the knowledge from the artifacts, and continue the original work of
the TWCB. So if TWCB would want to take a side it should be them. Either the templars wanting to
send the artifact to the satellite is what will cause the new catastrophe and so they're trying to
prevent it (why not tell that to them; straight away ) or they somehow want to control things themselves; dunno through that hologram or something and are using the assassins to that end.

Something else that doesnt make sense. Minerva talks to desmond when we go with ezio. They
see the future? Then why not forsee the outcome of humans in the first place, the war, the 1st catastrophe?

Also, desmond belongs to the bloodline of ezio, altair etc, the hybrid twcb-human one. They're supposed to not be affected by the apple etc, yet he is forced to kill lucy?

If you have any thoughts/answers corrections on any of the above you're welcome.

ellumin0us
03-30-2011, 03:03 AM
Originally posted by madigari:

3) On the subject of Erudito, if the team is as friendly and traitor free, what would be the need to 'stay within the loop'? And, when staying within the loop, who is the only one reportedly using a cellphone, even when cellphone use is supposed to be a poor idea? Who is the one who continues to have shady communique? (I can see William M. sending to Shaun, but he just turns around and puts that information right back out to the team, barring the one thing he asks Shaun to keep quiet until more details are found. But Lucy? Every thing she gets to him, she does in a way that no one else can see, except, if by cellular phone, Abstergo, perhaps?)

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Another thing: why is she away in the middle of the game for a couple of sequences? I looked outside and no Lucy. I know in the mails they were talking about 'come to my room' and such so maybe they broke into a house or something but then what about the sleeping bags? And the email from Rebecca talking about a suspicious car that could be eavesdropping. And then we come to Lucy using cellphones again. Could it be she does this on purpose so that whoever is in the bus can hear everything??

ellumin0us
03-30-2011, 03:25 AM
Maybe this is a clue to where AC3 is gonna be: In the e-mail from William about the other Assassins doesn't it mention that there are problems in Denver and that they might need help: " I'm worried about Denver though. Let's try to touch base at 3AM". So maybe the Templars are looking for a Piece of Eden in 'The New World' and they are hunting down the Assassins. Could mean that the next AC is gonna be in America. But I wonder where, there are so many interesting places there. Like the place in NY where the coordinates lead to. And lets not forget about the Mayans who predicted the end of the world in 2012. This means TWCB were also there, but I wonder how the humans found out about TWCB's prediction.

DeSabellis
04-05-2011, 06:08 PM
This probably has been mentioned on here, so I apologize for not reading every post intently.

I speculated about the ending- it's confusing. Lucy's dead, Subject 16 tells you to find Eve in Eden, Juno tells you humans are stupid and that you need to awaken the Sixth. Bam... credits and voices.

I think that first off, we should examine what Subject 16 had done in the Animus in combination with what he told Desmond. For example, in AC2 we see the truth video file with two individuals, Adam and Eve, running through Eden apparently. Subject 16 is related to one/both of them, and I assume Desmond is as well. Eventually along the way, Subject 16 mentions that their 'Eagle Vision' was the result of the Those that Came Before and Humans breeding together (I think it is AC2). Juno also mentions that 'you see the blue shimmers, but you don't understand'. I am assuming she is referring to this as well.

So where am I going? Subject 16 says in ACB that Desmond will find him in the darkness. Well, Desmond is now in a coma- maybe this is what he meant. I am pretty sure that most of us agree that when he said 'she is not who you think she is' he was referring to Lucy most likely- at least that makes the stabbing make sense. So now that Desmond is in a coma, and he needs to find Eve and awaken the Sixth... why wouldn't he revisit Eden? Desmond could revisit the memories of Adam or Eve (whoever), thus finding Eve in Eden. As far as awakening the sixth... what would keep him from reliving the memories from TWCB, since after all he has to related to at least one generation of them.


Probably won't happen... I realize this, but I always have wondered why they just didn't make Desmond remember the same stuff they made 16 relive that revealed so much.

I still am betting money on a location in France...

nvinfamuz
04-06-2011, 11:53 PM
Well if you read the emails then you would know that desmond apparently screams in his sleep..... can somebody please tell me when does desmond EVER sleep in the ac, unless he is at abstergo. I think William m is working for the templars but is actually an assassin. Altair did say in the codex pages they must change the way they work. They must work in the shadows. Even if it means blending with the emeny like his master has done to him. Maybe desmond is sub.16 went crazy and killed people due to the over use of the animus, and went into a coma. Sub.17 could be made up in his head to kinda recollect his thoughts. And finally awaken and fulfill his destiny.

TesteEfetuado
04-07-2011, 08:02 PM
I actually believe, as others have mentioned, that our real character is Desmond's son, and we are playing a memory within a memory. The only time we are playing in the "real world" point of view is in the Truth sequence from Brotherhood (Subject 16 is talking to Desmond's son through Desmond, which is why Rebecca and the others don't mention what he says) and during the voices at the very end (it sounds like Desmond because his voice is similar to that of his son).

I think the assassins have failed, and were killed or captured by Abstergo. The company launched its satelite and has dominated the world, but just when they were ready to celebrate the Sun actually began to destroy the world. Now Abstergo has learned of the prophecy known to the assassins, and since Desmond has been killed, the company is using his son to learn about what Desmond should have done to prevent the Sun from destroying the Earth.

Desmond's son would have been stuck within the Animus for a long time now. The emotional trauma from the end of Brotherhood, together with the exhaustion from being so long within the Animus, would have caused the shock we learn about at the end of the latest game. Since the Templars don't really care about his well being, as long as he's healthy enough to work within the Animus, they just stuck him back in the machine waiting for more clues.

Avva Mapia
04-12-2011, 09:48 AM
Originally posted by TesteEfetuado:
I actually believe, as others have mentioned, that our real character is Desmond's son, and we are playing a memory within a memory. The only time we are playing in the "real world" point of view is in the Truth sequence from Brotherhood (Subject 16 is talking to Desmond's son through Desmond, which is why Rebecca and the others don't mention what he says) and during the voices at the very end (it sounds like Desmond because his voice is similar to that of his son).

I think the assassins have failed, and were killed or captured by Abstergo. The company launched its satelite and has dominated the world, but just when they were ready to celebrate the Sun actually began to destroy the world. Now Abstergo has learned of the prophecy known to the assassins, and since Desmond has been killed, the company is using his son to learn about what Desmond should have done to prevent the Sun from destroying the Earth.

Desmond's son would have been stuck within the Animus for a long time now. The emotional trauma from the end of Brotherhood, together with the exhaustion from being so long within the Animus, would have caused the shock we learn about at the end of the latest game. Since the Templars don't really care about his well being, as long as he's healthy enough to work within the Animus, they just stuck him back in the machine waiting for more clues.

Well, that would ruin the entire story for me

jazmex
04-13-2011, 02:24 PM
it's not realy a theory more of a fantasy, just at the end somehow all the assassin's in desmonds bloodline come into present day and have an epic battle with abstergo perhaps with use of a peice of eden.

lanep25
04-14-2011, 09:25 PM
My theories on why Lucy is not dead nor a Templar

Although I DO think there's a mole in the group, my opinion is that its Rebecca, not Lucy. (I will focus on Lucy in this post not Rebecca) The meaning of "the cross darkens the horizon" doesn't mean that it's a templar in the room. It's meant on a much broader sense, such as, "The Templars will cause trouble in the foreseeable future".

I don't think Lucy will die, or need the Shroud because of these points:
• Al Mualim has possession of the POE and stabs Altair. End result, it's as if it never happened. An illusion.
• Ezio stabs Rodrigo Borgia through the neck, and he simply throws him off with the POE (Papal Staff).
• Ezio was stabbed by Rodrigo Borgia with the POE in his hand. Afterwards he gets up as if it never happened.
• Desmond stabs Lucy with the POE in his hand. End result, unknown. But I highly doubt (99.9%) that she's dead.

I think there's a much deeper reason as to why it was needed for him to stab her. Subject 16's message, "The Miracle is in the Execution", I don't think its meaning was solely saying that it was an exe. file.

Subject 16: "Eden. She.. in Eden. Find Eve. The key. Her DNA..."
It is possible that S. 16 doesn't know that Desmond has already met Lucy, and that she is the "Eve Descendant".

When Desmond was going through the Colosseum, he was saying that hopefully by finding the apple it would even out the playing field or tip the scales in their favor against the templars.
Juno : "The Path must be opened. ... The scales shall be balanced. You know very little. We must guide you."

How is it that by stabbing one girl that it balances out the struggle between an underground order of assassins on-the-run vs an extremely well funded/armed organization of templars? The death of a Abstergo agent would have no effect in balancing the struggle. The theory that Lucy is a templar does not fit this scenario at all. I have another theory in mind.

Lucy is the Eve descendant that Desmond needs to find. He's found her but they are oblivious to her heritage. It takes Juno have to guide Desmond for her heritage to be discovered. Juno says "the Path must be opened". My guess is the Path of Knowledge. "The key. Her DNA..." "You know very little. We must guide you." Desmond stabs Lucy."The Miracle is in the Execution." Juno says, "It is done. The way lies all before you. Only she remains to be found. Awaken the sixth. Go. ALONE!"

"Only she remains to be found", Juno could be referring to the sixth sense or another One Who Came Before who would help making sense of the Path of Knowledge.

"Go. ALONE!", I think she is referring to both Desmond and Lucy.

Desmond needed to stab Lucy to synchronize/read with her DNA. To open the Path of Knowledge, Awakening the 6th Sense of Knowledge. To balance the scales between the Templars and Assassins.
By awakening the 6th sense, Desmond and Lucy will know how to use the POE's to their full potential, hopefully saving humanity from impending doom, and kicking the templars asses. At least it's a nice thought.

If Lucy were a Templar...
• She wouldn't try to keep Desmond informed throughout all of AC1.
• She wouldn't tell Desmond she's an assassin in AC1.
• She wouldn't have saved Desmond's life at the end of AC1.
• She wouldn't have escaped with Desmond in AC2.
• She wouldn't have recruited Desmond as an assassin in AC2.
• She wouldn't be training Desmond through the Bleed effect and have him practice his skills in AC2 and AC:B.
• She wouldn't fight against Warren Vidic, who is a reputable templar, in AC2.
• She wouldn't be managing the group of assassins in Italy, in both AC2 and AC:B.
• The death of one girl Abstergo agent would not "balance the scales", in AC:B.
• It would make absolutely no sense to introduce a brand new character in AC3 that would take over as Desmond love interest, the supposed "Eve descendant". It's just too late in the story to do that. Plainly put, it would just be bad story telling.

Guys, Lucy isn't a templar.

I also have other theories that I'll eventually post up. But you can pick at this one for now. If you disagree with it, make a good case.

PurpleHaze1980
04-16-2011, 08:28 PM
I've been playing ACII again just looking back on several things because I think alot of hints probably lie there. As I was playing ACII (Ezio has just been introduced to The Santuary for the first time) something occurred to me.

I realised that Desmond was advised to "awaken the sixth". That could mean alot of things...the sixth what? Juno wasn't particularly clear with this.

Is "the sixth" possibly one of the "great" Assassins who were depicted in Statue form in the Sanctuary? There's six of these if you discount the Statue of Altair.

From left to right it's Qulan Gal, Darius, Wei Yu, (Altair), Amunet, Iltani and Leonius.

So possibly Leonius (or Iltani if you count Altair in this lineup) is the Sixth suggested to be sought out. Whether this is an Ancestor or the ancestor of Eve, I'm not entirely 100%...

Anyone know more about these?

Also, in regards to Lucy being a Templar, it might be possible, I have a feeling she's not being up front about something; she disappeared for half of AC:B and when she returned an Abstergo pen appeared on her desk (that being said though, alot of Abstergo stuff was lurking around in The Santuary).

She could be a triple agent: Assassin working as an Abstergo agent giving them the impression she's double-crossing the Assassins when in fact she's actually still working for them. I just really wish they had elaborated further on why she'd disappeared during AC:B.

One thing I certainly love about these games, SO much room for imagination and discussion. I don't think all out questions will EVER be answered.

lanep25
04-16-2011, 11:57 PM
PurpleHaze1980
Also, in regards to Lucy being a Templar, it might be possible, I have a feeling she's not being up front about something; she disappeared for half of AC:B and when she returned an Abstergo pen appeared on her desk (that being said though, alot of Abstergo stuff was lurking around in The Santuary).


We don't get to see everything that happens in the game. The weekly schedule that Lucy sends out in the emails is proof of that. We don't see Desmond sleep, eat (exception is one cutscene), go to the bathroom (not that we'd want to), or do anything else except be in the animus.
In between the sessions of the animus, one conversation with Lucy is if shes been hacking in to Abstergo. She says that a lot of passwords changed, but some old passwords still work.
A very possible scenario is that Lucy went out to do some field work. Spies/Assassins steal info all the time, such as passwords. Those Abstergo pens have passwords; we know this from AC1.

A triple agent?? Are you serious? Triple agents don't survive. They get shot or they turn renegade that are constantly on the run. It's quite obvious from AC1 and AC2 that Lucy is betraying Abstergo. If she went back they would show absolutely no mercy.

And I have no idea how raising a multi-century dead assassin from the grave would have any part into the story. It's absurd.
Juno seemed to focus on the subject of senses. TOWCB having 6, and Human with 5; until the two were breeding and passing sense attributes to the hybrids. Juno screams "WE SHOULD OF LEFT YOU AS YOU WERE". How Juno would go from senses to a dead assassin is beyond me. I'm pretty convinced that Juno is talking about the 6th sense when she says, "Awaken the sixth."

Calyptus
04-21-2011, 12:11 PM
Originally posted by PurpleHaze1980:


I realised that Desmond was advised to "awaken the sixth". That could mean alot of things...the sixth what? Juno wasn't particularly clear with this.

Is "the sixth" possibly one of the "great" Assassins who were depicted in Statue form in the Sanctuary? There's six of these if you discount the Statue of Altair.


the sixth sense, aka "knowledge". Listen to Juno's monologue while jumping around in the last room.

ajl992008
04-24-2011, 03:05 AM
i think that everything that we have seen of desmond in ac1,ac2 and acb was all a memory form the animus, i think that after acb desmond loses his memory from shock of killing lucy or form effects of touching the apple, then the 2 people hear find him and put him in the animus and he relives this memories. when he sees himself kill lucy he goes into shock again. in ac3 he get put back into the animus to relive another ancestors memories.

another theory i had is that again it was all a memory but it is desmonds son who sees the memories and goes into shock form seeing him kill his mom

Avva Mapia
04-26-2011, 01:49 PM
Maybe desmond is sub.16 went crazy and killed people due to the over use of the animus, and went into a coma. Sub.17 could be made up in his head to kinda recollect his thoughts. And finally awaken and fulfill his destiny.

Desmond actually being sub 16 is a nice thought. He went crazy and slipt into a coma, was then put in the animus and forced to relive his own memories before he went crazy.

But then he had to know he would go crazy since he left all those clues behind in the animus. And a message for himself in the truth video.

No, not a good theory

lanep25
04-27-2011, 11:20 AM
Originally posted by AvvaMapia:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Maybe desmond is sub.16 went crazy and killed people due to the over use of the animus, and went into a coma. Sub.17 could be made up in his head to kinda recollect his thoughts. And finally awaken and fulfill his destiny.

Desmond actually being sub 16 is a nice thought. He went crazy and slipt into a coma, was then put in the animus and forced to relive his own memories before he went crazy.

But then he had to know he would go crazy since he left all those clues behind in the animus. And a message for himself in the truth video.

No, not a good theory </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed. Not a good theory at all. Desmond is Subject 17. For him to be Subject 16 and Subject 17 would make absolutely no sense.

lanep25
04-27-2011, 11:29 AM
Originally posted by ajl992008:
another theory i had is that again it was all a memory but it is desmonds son who sees the memories and goes into shock form seeing him kill his mom

Another theory that has no thought process put into it: Lucy's son watching his mom be killed before he was born...O_o Please only post theories worth reading on here please!!!

Korvasieni
05-01-2011, 01:07 PM
^ Teehee. That's silly.

I don't think S16 is Desmond in any way.. How could Desmond see his blood and why would Lucy talk about S16 killing himself?

But I don't know if S16 is really dead.. I was wondering if he made that red path outside the villa. Because it's not just a path, it looks like letters or symbols. And I don't think it's some ''loolo templars were here lucy walked here shes a templar'' -trail because since when did enemies leave trails? And I don't think it was left there when Ezio got shot, because the trail appears the first time you choose to ''Leave Animus''.

And oh, how I hope this isn't some memory inside a memory -thing.. That would make me facepalm. And.. wouldn't the Cristina-missions be like.. memories inside memories inside memories or something? Whatever, I never really understood those missions.

But another thing is the lack of health bar etc. when playing with Desmond. There is no databases either. And if this is memory inside a memory -thing, then I certainly hope that it is still Desmond who is just reliving his own memories, not his son living his father's memories.

lanep25
05-02-2011, 03:25 PM
Originally posted by Korvasieni:
And oh, how I hope this isn't some memory inside a memory -thing.. That would make me facepalm. And.. wouldn't the Cristina-missions be like.. memories inside memories inside memories or something? Whatever, I never really understood those missions.

Nice point out of the Cristina missions. They didn't really seem to serve a purpose, just something to do. Does anyone have any theories as to why the Cristina missions are in the game?

Mrkwak
05-03-2011, 07:37 AM
Originally posted by lanep25:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Korvasieni:
And oh, how I hope this isn't some memory inside a memory -thing.. That would make me facepalm. And.. wouldn't the Cristina-missions be like.. memories inside memories inside memories or something? Whatever, I never really understood those missions.

1. She's hot
2. Suppressed memories are part of every human, so even Ezio has some. It's only logical they're not accessible from start.

Nice point out of the Cristina missions. They didn't really seem to serve a purpose, just something to do. Does anyone have any theories as to why the Cristina missions are in the game? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

1. She's hot
2. Suppressed memories are part of every human, so even Ezio has some. Since we go back to relive his memories, we have to be able to uncover the suppressed memories, too. And it's only logical they're not accessible from start.

lanep25
05-03-2011, 08:22 AM
Originally posted by Mrkwak:

1. She's hot
2. Suppressed memories are part of every human, so even Ezio has some. Since we go back to relive his memories, we have to be able to uncover the suppressed memories, too. And it's only logical they're not accessible from start.

Okay, suppressed memories. But even suppressed memories (such as the Da Vinci DLC) should provide some kind importance as to why they are in the story. The Cristina missions are just kind of there with no relevance to the overall story. It was unnecessary. What I'm trying to figure out is if there is a greater purpose to those segments, such as hidden/subliminal messages. Or something entirely different.

lukaszep
06-08-2011, 04:09 AM
I liked the Christina missions. They added a bit more character to AC:B i thought, and also gave a nice look at stuff we didn't see in AC2.

Sheer-Fury
06-08-2011, 04:39 PM
I hope Desmond gets his own game, because wrapping up things in his time, despite the fact that he has 72 days as of the end of ACB, will take quite a while to wrap up, and make for a good ending. And as for the Christina missions, they are repressed memories that Ezio did not want to remember, as it must have been painful watching the woman he loved marry another man for starters, and then die in his arms. Also, if you think about, he had to continue his bloodline somehow, and he did meet up with her quite a few times. If anyone remembers, they showed Altair did so with those images Desmond saw in AC2, so maybe this is a subtle hint or purely repressed memories of guilt over not chasing after and then eventually losing the one he cared about the most.