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AndyJWest
12-05-2009, 06:22 PM
So there I was, pootling back from a co-op in my Spit, decided to record an .ntrk of the landing.

Gear down, flaps down, runway clear, nice approach....
http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae65/ajv00987k/SLA-1.jpg

Not one, but two P-51s decide to fly below me to land first. I could have opened up, but at that height I'd risk stalling into the deck...
http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae65/ajv00987k/SLA-2.jpg

Can't see in front of me as I land, I know I'll have to dodge the guys in front if I can't stop quick...
http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae65/ajv00987k/SLA-3.jpg
...come in too hard, bounce, break the gear. Stops me quick anyway. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I've edited out names, but can we have a little thought for us nooobs, guys? I so rarely get to land online at all. I could do without distractions like that. Never mind, any landing you can walk away from is a good one, eh?

Choctaw111
12-05-2009, 06:26 PM
As you have found out, the online etiquette at airfields is nearly nonexistent.
Taxiing for a takeoff is even worse, pilots cutting across the grass to takeoff, not even bothering to use the runway, taking off from the wrong end, etc.
I have been crashed into many times by those who do not follow simple "rules" of the airfield.

AndyJWest
12-05-2009, 06:42 PM
Actually, I've found this not usually a problem in the co-ops I've flown, though we all mess up occasionally.

Just to make it clear, I'm not making a complaint about this, just noting in passing that it is a bit off-putting to be on finals with pony's appearing from nowhere. I suspect it is partly a matter of differing approach speeds - if anything I was a little fast for a Spit, but P-51s certainly need to come in faster. I've put a Spit onto it's nose too often to be confident about braking hard on landing too, though this proved unnecessary anyway.

We should probably all fly proper circuits, and maintain proper seperation, but landing close is fun, provided you know where everyone is...

There often is a problem with online dogfight servers, as Choctaw says. I can understand the 'use taxiways for takeoff' rule, but can do without someone cutting in front of me to takeoff, just as I'm about to touch down...

Maeksevhin
12-05-2009, 07:36 PM
I do that to the AI offline all the time.

But then again, I'm rather inclined to think that my impatience takes priority over being polite to entities that don't technically exist.

I'd be nicer online!

XGB63
12-05-2009, 08:00 PM
I have only flown online a few times but I did notice the same sort of thing the last time I was on Skie of Fire I believe it was. As I spawned I started up and checked very carefully before taxxing out but guys were still landing from both directions but as I finally got my gear up somebody shot me on takeoff. As I respwned the guy was still there shooting planes as they took off and then he would climb back up high again. What a scumbag.
I'm waiting to finish my EDITED project and when I do I think I will try a more professional server that flies on full real.

Choctaw111
12-05-2009, 08:53 PM
I am not talking about the coops, Andy. You only get 1 life there, and people behave much differently.
I am talking about the DF servers. I could have so much fun in there, but it could really get out of hand with others and their bad manners.

BillSwagger
12-05-2009, 10:48 PM
i dont think people go around with this intent, especially in coops. I don't automatically assume everyone is a noob, so I think in some situations you have to request clearance, and maybe blink your nav lights a few times and people generally respect that.

On some servers i might have a good run, scoreing a handful of kills, and then upon heading back to land, suddenly there is a lot of traffic at the airport. Planes circling, people parked where i need to land. I can't help think sometimes its deliberate because there are some people who are real stat conscience. I've even had a guy i shot down respawn at the airfield just to drop ordinance on my approach. He then preceded to drop ordinance after i respawned, killing us both. By the third time he did this i just left the game.

Coops are generally much different because people usually join them to get away from the kind of crap you might encounter on a DF server.
I would be very surprised if this was intentional at all, you probably just need to make it known you are landing and need a bit of room before hand.


Bill

skarden
12-05-2009, 11:11 PM
Yep,I too have seen some just stupid behavior at many DF server airfields(I know you were in a co-op though),very very bloody annoying http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Your nicer then I am,I wouldn't of edited out the names,let their stupidity be known I say.

Waldo.Pepper
12-05-2009, 11:30 PM
I thought the online etiquette was to turn on landing light when landing to let others know your intentions.

SeaFireLIV
12-06-2009, 01:27 AM
Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:
I thought the online etiquette was to turn on landing light when landing to let others know your intentions.

Just what i was gonna say.

rnzoli
12-06-2009, 01:41 AM
Andy, were you out of ammo? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif
I am just saying that a short warning shot above their canopies would have given the best indication of your intentions http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
You can also throttle up, but then do it slowly, give it 1-2 seconds to raise RPMs and do NOT retract gear before positive rate of climb above stall speeds. You might do a nice touch and go above the canopy of the Mustangs http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

skarden
12-06-2009, 02:49 AM
Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:
I thought the online etiquette was to turn on landing light when landing to let others know your intentions.

I think if you look at the pics his lights are on.

RSS-Martin
12-06-2009, 03:32 AM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:
I thought the online etiquette was to turn on landing light when landing to let others know your intentions.

Just what i was gonna say. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I guess you donīt fly much online??
First of all often enought airfields are targets.
Guess how happy you make a enemy pilot by lighting up the "Christmas tree". As to bumble heads taking off wildly, that depends much on the maps and or server. On Zeke vs Wildcats, they have nice sandsack barriers so that people who wish to just floor it across runsways and taxiways are stopped real fast with a nice boom of their aircraft. Only thing there is that you might have to do a jump when you are landing and someone is taking off on the other end of the runway, even though it is clearly visable that you are coming in with a crippeled plane.
Best bet look for a alternative airfield where there are no spawn points. There you can take all your time landing and chances of someone budding in are low.

FoolTrottel
12-06-2009, 03:39 AM
If they cut in in front of you, just ignore them.

You couldn't see them, they could have seen you, and should have seen you. And probably they did.

It's up to them to get out of your way fast. And usually, they do.

(And hey, you had a radio didn't you? Just yell at 'm: "Get out of the way, Spit comin' in for cralandin'!" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif )

AndyJWest
12-06-2009, 04:59 AM
I seem to have hit a sore spot here.

I wasn't trying to make a big thing of this - if I did, I'd have taken it up with the individuals concerned, rather than posting the pics. I was just trying to make the point that the less-confident fliers like me may be easily distracted by something that more experienced players will be used to. Most of the others on the server have a lot of experience flying together, and know what to expect. I'll know what to look out for in future.

A couple of points:

(a) Yes, I had lights on, as did everyone. The 'Christmas Tree' effect is not normally much of a problem in the sort of co-op missions we were flying - all the human blue team were shot down or RTB I think, and the AI takes no notice of lights.

(b) I like the 'warning shot' idea. I expect I was out of ammo, though. I usually am. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif It's worth bearing in mind that a warning shot from me might very well hit home though - my gunfire rarely seems to go in quite the direction I expect it to. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif

Anyway, just to make it clear, I'm not accusing anyone of anything other than perhaps not making enough allowance for my lack of experience. I find flying co-ops far more fun than dogfight servers, and I'm sure I learn more too. If the cost of this is the occasional bent Spit on the rare occasions I'm not already reduced to a smoking crater, I'll gladly put up with it. I've done a few daft things myself online, and no doubt will do a few more.

canadiantrout
12-06-2009, 06:18 AM
It was a test of your pucker-factor. One of those "think fast!" kinda things.



You failed BTW.

AndyJWest
12-06-2009, 06:24 AM
Originally posted by canadiantrout:
It was a test of your pucker-factor. One of those "think fast!" kinda things.



You failed BTW.

Yeah, probably...

Next time, I'll keep some ammo in reserve. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

blairgowrie
12-06-2009, 06:32 AM
I was there last night Andy and I think I know all the guys flying well enough to know that none of them would deliberately cut you off. I flew a p51 several times last night and it well could have been me!

B16Enk
12-06-2009, 08:54 AM
I'm impressed the host let the co-op run long enough to allow for landings personally, especially as all Blue were down.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Which could account for a more experienced pilot zooming in to land, to bag their points, knowing they would be clear of active in time for the Spit they shot by to land safely.

The Dogz are to a man, and JP, an honourable bunch who play fair to enjoy them selves and to spread that pleasure.

arthursmedley
12-06-2009, 09:34 AM
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh112/arthursmedley/images9-1.jpg

arthursmedley
12-06-2009, 09:35 AM
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh112/arthursmedley/mole-hills-field1.jpg

ROXunreal
12-06-2009, 10:10 AM
My own behavior on airfields is as the situation demands it. If I'm alone or there are 1 or 2 other planes that are not near me I take off the quickest way I can, no matter the direction or crossing the runway to take off from the grass, matters not if I'm not near anyone.

If there is traffic I will of course adapt to the situation, turn on nav lights (only if the skies are clear of enemies) and watch out for others, also land accordingly from the proper direction. When I have heavy damage I usually type "clear runway, damaged" if I can and land in any way I can, maybe bleep the landing light a few times if I have one and if someone's on the runway, also leave room for damaged aircraft to land first if they are near me.

AndyJWest
12-06-2009, 02:37 PM
Sorry if I stood on any toes here. I wasn't trying to suggest anyone did anything malicious, or even that I took it that seriously at all, as I thought the topic title would indicate. I probably should have made this a bit clearer, or not posted the pics in the first place.

B16Enk writes:


The Dogz are to a man, and JP, an honourable bunch who play fair to enjoy them selves and to spread that pleasure.


I totally agree with that. It only occured to me after I posted that the names I hadn't removed were all DD, though not everyone on the server was. Apologies to the Dogz if it looked like I was trying to get at you, this wasn't my intention. It was only meant as a light-hearted winge. As I said in my first posting, if I'd had a real issue I wouldn't have complained on the forum. No doubt those responsible will get their own back on me with cannon fire if they feel offended, but apologies all round if I have upset anyone. I need to think before posting sometimes, but maybe I'm learning that lesson too, if a little slowly. I probably need a foot-in-mouth smiley for my forum postings...

(And BG, no, it wasn't you...)

BadA1m
12-06-2009, 07:00 PM
Indeed such an infraction should not go unnoticed. I suggest that you cease flying with such vermin posthaste. That will show them!

jamesblonde1979
12-07-2009, 09:56 PM
It's truly amazing how full of idiots the V-sky can be.

I mean the V-sky is a pretty big place right? It's huge and mainly empty and yet it can populate itself with suicidal idiots at the drop of a very fast falling, low drag hat.

Just land on top of them next time, if they are too dumb to check the runway before positioning then they deserve the lesson.

AndyJWest
12-08-2009, 01:11 AM
I wasn't calling anyone an idiot.

Ba5tard5word
12-08-2009, 01:12 AM
Originally posted by BadA1m:
Indeed such an infraction should not go unnoticed. I suggest that you cease flying with such vermin posthaste. That will show them!

Hey BadAim thanks for pre-testing the landing strip the other night for me on that Norway mission. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

jamesblonde1979
12-08-2009, 08:43 PM
Originally posted by AndyJWest:
I wasn't calling anyone an idiot.

Indubitably.

I was, whoever took off in-front of you was behaving in the manner of an idiot(or somebody new to the game). Ok so maybe the guy isn't a full time, card-carrying idiot but practises his idiocy on a more casual and sporadic basis (like me).

blairgowrie
12-09-2009, 06:04 AM
Knock it off please jamesblonde1979. I was there and have spoken to the person who flew in front of Andy. The guy did not see him and he certainly is no idiot.

AndyJWest
12-09-2009, 06:46 AM
I think it might be best to lock this thread, BG. I'd intended to post nothing but a light-hearted comment on a minor incident that in any case probably reflected more on my poor flying skills than anything else.

All of us do things online that others may not appreciate sometimes, and depending on one's position can seem completely different events. I've done some fairly stupid things myself, and am in no position to criticise others. Who amongst us hasn't made the occasional error, though?

Anyway, this is 'just a game', if you think of it as anything more, you may need to rethink your priorities. Appreciate the skills youu see online, have a laugh at the ineptness of the noobs like me, and if you must, let off a bit of steam at those who get in your way. Don't let it all matter more than it should...