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MOH_Hirth
11-01-2006, 08:04 AM
Isnt too litle the diference between defalt guns and MG/FF removed?

NekoReaperman
11-01-2006, 08:26 AM
I would assume it removes the outboard guns, making the airplane lighter (indeed, in the Dora series, this configuration was stock)<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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SlickStick
11-01-2006, 08:42 AM
I believe he is referring to the change not being as noticable in the FM, even though the outer guns and ammo are removed.

I'm no FW experten, but I thought I read that even though the outer guns were removed, the other cannons were given extra ammo.

Maybe that's why the difference is not as noticeable or the sim just doesn't simulate the difference well.

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Philipscdrw
11-01-2006, 08:43 AM
I got a wonderful kill with the Fw190A6 last night on Warclouds. The team ratio was 19:9 red:blue and they were strafing and lurking around our bases. I took off in the A6 with the outer MGs removed (the A6 has all MG/121s I think), flew away fr

faustnik
11-01-2006, 09:34 AM
Originally posted by MOH_Hirth:
Isnt too litle the diference between defalt guns and MG/FF removed?

The removal of outer MGFF adds the ETC rack to your plane so that you actually lose performance. That option is useless, there is absolutely no benefit from choosing that loadout.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Brain32
11-01-2006, 09:36 AM
Just load the biggest gun available, handling is cr@p either way http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Scen
11-01-2006, 10:03 AM
Originally posted by faustnik:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MOH_Hirth:
Isnt too litle the diference between defalt guns and MG/FF removed?

The removal of outer MGFF adds the ETC rack to your plane so that you actually lose performance. That option is useless, there is absolutely no benefit from choosing that loadout. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow now that makes sense.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

KG26_Alpha
11-01-2006, 03:19 PM
The rack has no effect, it isnt in the FM.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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faustnik
11-01-2006, 03:20 PM
Originally posted by KG26_Alpha:
The rack has no effect, it isnt in the FM.

Not true.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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JG53Frankyboy
11-01-2006, 05:23 PM
Originally posted by KG26_Alpha:
The rack has no effect, it isnt in the FM.

that was said about the A-8/-9.
but the other Antons are loosing around 20-30km/h with the ETC mounted in game...........

Ratsack
11-01-2006, 06:39 PM
Originally posted by faustnik:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KG26_Alpha:
The rack has no effect, it isnt in the FM.

Not true. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Absolutely correct, Faustnik. There is this recurring myth on this board that the ETC rack has no effect on the performance of the FW 190 A-4 through A-6. It does.

Alpha, I recommend you test it for yourself. You???ll find Faust???s right.

Stick to the default load. It performs the best and you get the extra firepower. Shouldn???t be this way, but that???s the way it is.

Cheers,
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JG53Frankyboy
11-01-2006, 06:44 PM
Originally posted by Ratsack:
.................Stick to the default load. It performs the best and you get the extra firepower. Shouldn???t be this way, but that???s the way it is.

Cheers,
Ratsack

it is as it was. its just so that there is no option to get a "without outer wingcanons, without ETC" that would have the best performance...........

MOH_Hirth
11-01-2006, 08:20 PM
I was referring to the change not being as noticable in the FM, even though the outer guns and ammo are removed, but 2 MGs and AMMO = +/-
40+80kg? is really not big.

Ratsack
11-02-2006, 06:11 AM
Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ratsack:
.................Stick to the default load. It performs the best and you get the extra firepower. Shouldn???t be this way, but that???s the way it is.

Cheers,
Ratsack

it is as it was. its just so that there is no option to get a "without outer wingcanons, without ETC" that would have the best performance........... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

s'whatI'msayin'

Ratsack

JG52Karaya-X
11-02-2006, 09:19 AM
Originally posted by MOH_Hirth:
I was referring to the change not being as noticable in the FM, even though the outer guns and ammo are removed, but 2 MGs and AMMO = +/-
40+80kg? is really not big.

The 60kg you save by removing the MGFF/Ms shouldnt really make much difference when comparing to a loaded weight of the FW190A4 of around 4 tons. That's +- 1,5%...

What it could have influenced though is the roll rate because of less weight in the outer region of the wings. Anyway stick with default armament and don't remove them for the reason faustnik mentioned!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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faustnik
11-02-2006, 10:01 AM
I found the actual weights for the 2 versions in the manual. This is for the A4:

Jagdeinsatz mit 2 MG17 und 2 MG 151 - 3863kg

Jagdeinsatz mit 2 MG17, 2 MG 151 und 2 MG FF - 3985kg<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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IL2-chuter
11-02-2006, 11:39 AM
Try a P-47, for instance, with and without outboard bombs to see how well initial roll rate variations are handled in the game.


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karost
11-04-2006, 10:26 PM
this is a good topic

for dogfight server like Warclouds, gun fire power
and team play are major concern for me.

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