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XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 03:23 PM
This has really been bogging down my mind. I mean, take a GREAT guy like Oleg and his excellent team, have them build a great sim (like LOMAC looks to be) and then have UBI put it out, ignore their customers and generally just make the community feel like a bunch of idiots for once holding UBI in such high regard.

What do you think? I'm looking forward to LOMAC but I wonder if UBI will screw the pooch on that one too.

Ideas?



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XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 03:23 PM
This has really been bogging down my mind. I mean, take a GREAT guy like Oleg and his excellent team, have them build a great sim (like LOMAC looks to be) and then have UBI put it out, ignore their customers and generally just make the community feel like a bunch of idiots for once holding UBI in such high regard.

What do you think? I'm looking forward to LOMAC but I wonder if UBI will screw the pooch on that one too.

Ideas?



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XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 03:27 PM
What?

Oleg gives an update - what more do you want?

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XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 03:34 PM
Oleg updates us because he cares and he's great for that and many other reasons.

UBI doesn't, and isn't.

I'm just worried that LOMAC buyers will get worse treatment, as Oleg is the exception, not the rule.



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XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 03:42 PM
Dexmeister wrote:
- Will LOMAC be supported as poorly as FB has been?

Do you whine in other forums like you do here?

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XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 03:44 PM
Dex, get a life, a girlfriend or rent one or the other for the afternoon.

You're about as interesting as a tax audit.

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XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 03:47 PM
Just out of curiousisty (because FB is the only game I play) what kind of support do other companies provide that might be a good example for Ubi to follow?

I played Janes WWII Fighters and there was only one patch for that game, and everything after was third party.

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XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 03:47 PM
Must say compared to the MAJORITY of other gaming titles out there you have it pretty good.

You're mouthing off in a forum provided by Ubi, for starters.

Free patches, additions and continued support for this product line have been superb. Who do you think is funding Oleg and co. for additional work?

They wouldn't be doing it for free.

SSS

XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 03:55 PM
mmhhh.... how could ubi give us updates if theyre not the devellopers of fb?
i mean oleg could give his dev. updates to ubi and then they could release them... but then it would still be oleg who creates them... so what should ubi do in your eyes? tell us what sorts of planes theyre develloping at the moment? they dont have anything to do with devellopment.. theyre only the publisher...so whats your point m8?

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XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 03:58 PM
I gotta admit, Dex, you do moan a bit much and appreciate little.....

XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 04:00 PM
publishers are what's wrong with todays software industry.

they have too much decision-power. they rush products to the market before it's even finished and then stop supporting them like they should. (Electronic Arts, and ofcourse M$). they don't care about us, the customer, they only care about maximising profit. period. if that means producing a crappy product by pushing the release date and minimising aftersales support.

we should get used to it, because it will never change.

my simplified proposal would be something like this (I am not trying to get this thread locked, only to show a mechanism which may compell publishers to change their tactics): download the software in question from the internet. try it: if you like it, you should buy it. if, for some reason, you don't like it; there are 2 possible solutions: uninstall the software and delete it and never speak of it again, *OR* wait for a official patch to be released and judge again.

this may be the only tactic to respond to these despicable-publisher-marketing-strategy.

XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 04:02 PM
I don't understand why the publisher is responsible for the patches, they do none of the coding. Aren't they just responsible for selling the product? Oleg and his coding team are responsible for the patch, isn't this so?

Edit: And btw, you guys don't have to be such cockfaces to Dex here, FB hasn't gotten all that great support and this is a forum where people can speak their minds without being flamed to death.

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XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 04:07 PM
sorry evilben, no offence, but have you actually read my post. I didn't state that publishers are the ones who are coding the patches or the software itself.

they just make the decisions with only 1 thing in mind. money.

and people like Oleg, who have other things on mind, are being shut up by publishers.

XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 04:08 PM
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XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 04:09 PM
EvilBen wrote:

- Edit: And btw, you guys don't have to be such
- cockfaces to Dex here, FB hasn't gotten all that
- great support and this is a forum where people can
- speak their minds without being flamed to death.

Dex is a big boy. He's not being "flamed to death", and you're right, this is a forum where people can speak their minds and that's exactly what people are doing.

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XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 04:10 PM
Fresshness wrote:
- sorry evilben, no offence, but have you actually
- read my post. I didn't state that publishers are the
- ones who are coding the patches or the software
- itself.
-
- they just make the decisions with only 1 thing in
- mind. money.
-
- and people like Oleg, who have other things on mind,
- are being shut up by publishers.
-
-

No, I didn't. I hit the reply button before you posted.

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XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 04:11 PM
you should rename yourself to FunnyBen

XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 04:12 PM
I don't mind being flamed since it's essentially an intelligent discussion.

My angst is not directed at Oleg in any way, and in fact nobody I've ever watched before has done as great a job as Oleg in keeping the community salivating over his great work.

I just don't see UBI rising to the occasion as they did with IL2, and after getting burned on another 2 games from UBI this year I'm wondering if they changed their corporate attitude from "please the customer" to "!@#$ the customer".

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XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 04:15 PM
to those who buy lomac so long but I wont support any ubi games anymore, just FB theater addons, this is where I will stay

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XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 04:19 PM
ACE.HOLE wrote:
- to those who buy lomac so long but I wont support
- any ubi games anymore, just FB theater addons, this
- is where I will stay
-
- <img
- src=http://www.geocities.com/aceholefb/acehole.txt>

Please tell us your son will be moving on to other sims though! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 04:21 PM
Did you get up outta the wrong side of bed and hit a wall or something, Dexmeister? As you said before (and as I believe) Olegg is an exception. But as for the rest of the world in general- forget it! It`s not gonna happen. The capitalist world is basically just not that nice as you would like it. People are just not that altruistic when it comes to making money.
Of course some (that`s why you`ll find the odd Good Samaritan) are and that`s what makes the difference in an otherwise crappy world,



Message Edited on 07/18/0303:22PM by SeaFireLIV

XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 04:26 PM
RE: Will LOMAC be supported as poorly as FB has been?


I hope not.

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XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 04:32 PM
Just out of interest, which game publisher are you using as your shining beacon of hope and light when comparing with Ubi here?

Is there one?

I know for example that Illusion/Take Two/Microsoft make Ubi look positively saintly, among others, which is why I can't possibly agree with you.

Have you had a particularly good experience with another publisher? Who and what? Specifically?

SSS

XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 04:34 PM
Codemasters with OFP, or IL2 prior to UBI's new "Management Strategy".



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XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 04:50 PM
I guess Blizzard does its own publishing?
Blizzard = elite



Message Edited on 07/18/0306:51PM by Lukki

XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 04:52 PM
W A A

What An ***!!!!!!!

XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 04:54 PM
Not been involved in OFP. Are they still funding continued development and additions to the line? Are they allowing their developers to spend lots of time incorporating community additions for free instead of concentrating on new revenue generating products?

And comparing "good Ubi" with "bad Ubi" is just indicating we may have been previously spoiled....

Since IL2 came out, and taking the line as a whole, this is the most interaction I've seen between developers/publishers and the community.

SSS

XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 04:59 PM
Oh, and coupled with THAT, as this thread mentioned LOMAC, bloody hell, videos and updates almost weekly, if that's not being spoiled, I don't know what is.

The whining people do when they aren't treated to videos for maybe two or three weeks when these guys are trying to get a product out the door is incredible.

If it sounds like I'm a corporate apologist here, trust me I'm not, but one of the other online communities I'm part of is the determined band of Hidden and Dangerous II followers (WWII Strategy/FPS) and the silence from THOSE guys (devs AND publishers) you wouldn't believe. We're talking YEARS here.

I often cite this community as an example of how good things can be by comparison!

Right, off home, have a good weekend all!

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SSS



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XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 06:24 PM
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- Codemasters with OFP, or IL2 prior to UBI's new
- "Management Strategy".
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Yeah, Codemasters/BIS is great with its support of OFP. I can't believe we're still getting support after all these year. Can't wait for OFP 2.

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XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 06:32 PM
I don't really care what happens to Lock On. We have Oleg giving us info for FB, and that's all that counts on this forum.

I'm not going to worry about a game that isn't even released yet. One thing at a time.

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XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 06:39 PM
Supported Poorly! UBI provides us this bulletin board, will be providing patches and updates, and poor Oleg as to put up with constant whining by spoiled children. Yes, I certainly hope LOMAC is supported as "poorly" as FB.

XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 07:58 PM
Codemaster and BIS have done an amazing job with their support of OFP and Resistance and are really one of the highest examples of a publisher and a developer opening their doors to the community without letting their product be degraded or watered down by substandard 3rd party addons. This being said I remember when everyone was waiting for them to release Oxygen, which is the tool that allows 3D models to be imported into OFP, and man you talk about whining.
Really though, from the tidbits we have heard from some of the beta testers this patch is in the order of 30 or 40 mb. This is not your typical patch that is just a few optimizations or tweaks. Oleg and company are obviously reworking major parts of the game, and not to mention Oleg has had health problems. It is not as if we got a product that was fubar and without the patch is unplayable. Trust me I have seen games that were...(read Black and White)

XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 08:22 PM
BillRK wrote:
- Codemaster and BIS have done an amazing job with
- their support of OFP and Resistance and are really
- one of the highest examples of a publisher and a
- developer opening their doors to the community
- without letting their product be degraded or watered
- down by substandard 3rd party addons. This being
- said I remember when everyone was waiting for them
- to release Oxygen, which is the tool that allows 3D
- models to be imported into OFP, and man you talk
- about whining.
- Really though, from the tidbits we have heard from
- some of the beta testers this patch is in the order
- of 30 or 40 mb. This is not your typical patch that
- is just a few optimizations or tweaks. Oleg and
- company are obviously reworking major parts of the
- game, and not to mention Oleg has had health
- problems. It is not as if we got a product that was
- fubar and without the patch is unplayable. Trust me
- I have seen games that were...(read Black and White)

I understand what you are saying, but consider this:

in the first place and by definition, shouldn't publishers only publish a product when it is COMPLETELY finished?

if you would make a comparison to the car-industry; no one would accept that, after purchasing a new firsthand car, the shop you bought it from needs to do major modifications on the engine, suspension, fuel tank , etc...

obviously, FB lacks from such serious fabracition-errors. just one example: look at the ME262; it's FM is a serious joke the more engines you shut down. this shouldn't be in a 100% finished product.

ofcourse you can argue that no product will ever attain a 100% finished label. just look at M$ with it's maybe 20th version of WORD. I mean, does it really take +20 years to make a fully functional word-processor?. but then it's us, the dumb consumer for buying it all the time because the industry wants us to believe that we need it, and will go to great lengths to do just that.

where has the time gone where you could go to the software shop, buy an arbitrary game, finish it and never needed any patches... ever... (publisher Sierra *WAS* maybe the best publisher ever with it's numerous adventure series. almost all of them never needed a patch. not even a single one).

XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 08:39 PM
While it's true that patches to a game can be a pain, I'd rather have a game that is released and playable than wait forever for a "perfect" game.

Many of you may argue that FB is not playable in it's current form, and there are aspects of the game that need to be improved. Even Oleg acknowledges that. But the creation of a sim of this quality is going to suffer some growing pains. I'm quite happy to continue waiting for the patch and hold off judgement about Ubi's intentions until I've tried it out. IL2 went through a similar process and by patch 1.2 was a very good game.

Not so long a go, a sim of this quality would have been unheard of. We're lucky to be able to enjoy a quality game like FB for such a modest price, and we need to remember that Oleg and crew are working hard to help FB reach it's full potential. The patch has gone through 8 versions, and rumour has that there is a 9th beta now. To me, it doesn't appear that anyone is sitting on their hands or abandoning FB.



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XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 09:09 PM
>without letting their product be
>degraded or watered down by
>substandard 3rd party addons.

Huh? How can MODs ever be considered a bad thing? Ultimately you're doing your own quality control so you're perfectly able to filter the gems from the garbage and add nothing but value to your installation.

If IL2/FB were open to 3rd party support there wouldn't be ANY complaints about aircraft variety, FM, or DM on these forums. Talented individuals would have dealt with the issue ages ago leaving Oleg and his team to concentrate on bugs relating to the FB core.

More importantly, we would be guarenteed unofficial addons long after the developer terminates official support. MODs add years to the viable life cycle of games.


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XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 09:34 PM
Meprolite wrote:
- >without letting their product be
- >degraded or watered down by
- >substandard 3rd party addons.
-
- Huh? How can MODs ever be considered a bad thing?
- Ultimately you're doing your own quality control so
- you're perfectly able to filter the gems from the
- garbage and add nothing but value to your
- installation.
-
- If IL2/FB were open to 3rd party support there
- wouldn't be ANY complaints about aircraft variety,
- FM, or DM on these forums. Talented individuals
- would have dealt with the issue ages ago leaving
- Oleg and his team to concentrate on bugs relating to
- the FB core.
-
- More importantly, we would be guarenteed unofficial
- addons long after the developer terminates official
- support. MODs add years to the viable life cycle of
- games.
-
-
Meprolite
Perhaps your not familiar with OFP, but there are literally 1000's of addons for it. Many were/are of poor quality, caused conflicts with other addons, and some needed still more addons to work. The problem with this was not only that a user could waste hours downloading addons just to find that they were of poor quality but also that if there was a conflict or missing addon, the game booted you back to the desktop showing you an error message saying so and so file was not found. The problem with this was that often the file name the game was looking for had little resemblance text wise to the addon name. Meaning the user had to open the addon in notepad to find if it was what was missing. A major hassle. To compound this problem addons were coming so fast that none of the sites supporting addon file sharing had time to test them. The few sites that did take the time to test had a small amount of files available and all though you knew they were quality, you also knew there were many gems out there as you said.
BIS and Codemaster both realized this problem, and listened to the community and instead of releasing O2 to the general public they only gave it to those MOD teams that had proven that they were dedicated to making quality addons. This did'nt help the problem of their being 1000's of skins out there but it did mean that if you downloaded a viehcle or weapon made by one of the mods teams with O2 it was going to be worth the bandwith and HD space and it would work as advertised.

XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 09:41 PM
I EMAILED UBI OVER SOME TECHINCAL ISSUES, I GOT AN AUTOMATIC REPLY SAYING I WOULD GET A RESPONSE WITH IN 48 OR SOMETHING....ITS BEEN 8 WEEKS....TRIED AGAIN AND GOT THE SAME AUTOMATIC EMAIL...ITS BEEN A WEEK....SO I HOPE LO-MAC GETS BETTER SUPPORT AS FAR AS TECH SUPPORT GOES.

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XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 09:42 PM
Dex,name me a flightsim that has better support than............

XyZspineZyX
07-18-2003, 10:14 PM
What!!
Are you on crack?
FB and IL2 have AMAZING support.
Compare what you are getting from them compared to hmmm, i don't know, maybe CFS3?
Sheesh, give people an inch and they take a mile.

Be thankful you are even getting a patch AND free additional planes. Because most companies wouldn't support their product after it has launched.

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07-19-2003, 12:57 AM
Ahh the whinning continues /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-19-2003, 04:30 AM
lol commie, great pic. I dont plan on purchasing lock on either and I certainly hope FB users stay here. Theres something about closeup wwii dogfighting that nothing compairs to. Imagine the flak and saam sites in lomac if you cry about aaa in fb.

Also I like seeing the emeny up close rather then a blip on a screen and firing missles. I hope lomac doesnt do good so they stick to the wwii sims


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XyZspineZyX
07-19-2003, 04:32 AM
Dexmeister wrote:
- Ideas?

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XyZspineZyX
07-19-2003, 05:06 AM
Dexmeister wrote:
- This has really been bogging down my mind. I mean,
- take a GREAT guy like Oleg and his excellent team,
- have them build a great sim (like LOMAC looks to be)
- and then have UBI put it out, ignore their customers
- and generally just make the community feel like a
- bunch of idiots for once holding UBI in such high
- regard.
-
- What do you think? I'm looking forward to LOMAC but
- I wonder if UBI will screw the pooch on that one
- too.
-
- Ideas?

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XyZspineZyX
07-19-2003, 11:48 AM
Dexmeister says that FB has been poorly supported.

The only good question remaining is whether or not should we fork over our precious one time fee of $40 for LOMAC when we might get it for $35 6 months later and after it's first patch?

To LOMAC or not to LOMAC, that is the question. We are already assuming that FB is poor and will forever be so. We are moving on to LOMAC. Dexmeister, you should be a writer for "Futurama"!

XyZspineZyX
07-20-2003, 04:29 AM
I wish we could get an official answer on this.

If LOMAC is supported as poorly as FB there will be no way I would fork over my hard earned cash for it.

Thanks for bringing this up Dexmeister and here's to Cartrix answering this important question.

XyZspineZyX
07-20-2003, 08:22 AM
To say that FB has been poorly supported is a bit premature. Just wait till the patch comes out and we'll see. We'll be able to make a much better determination from that point onward. It probably won't solve everybodies problems that they are having with the game, it probably won't contain all the good ideas that many people have expressed, but we will see if it fixes some of the biggest issues, the ones which affect playability the most.

XyZspineZyX
07-20-2003, 11:32 AM
I dont understand these posts.

Leave your politics at home please.

XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 02:08 AM
I feel that this is an important isuue, one which affects the money I spend from my wallet to play the game. Hopefully LOMAC will have patches aplenty like IL2.

XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 02:16 AM
R-Mutts little bed shot is what I believe to be happening-and I posted about lock on taking all of ubi's forum admin before I saw the r-mutt shot-therfore I must be a clareavoyant/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I'd be more worried about those poor soldiers in IRAQ than about ubi's lack of support though

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XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 05:11 AM
Rogodin wrote:
- R-Mutts little bed shot is what I believe to be
- happening-and I posted about lock on taking all of
- ubi's forum admin before I saw the r-mutt
- shot-therfore I must be a clareavoyant/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
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- I'd be more worried about those poor soldiers in
- IRAQ than about ubi's lack of support though


You bring up a good point. The similarities between lock-on and FB can be derived. I can only hope the 2 games can co-exist, without one or the other taking up too many resources.

XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 05:20 AM
I was polite when I posed the question of LOMAC support compared to FB. After paying for FB, Splinter Cell, and Raven Shield this year (as opposed to Ghost Recon and IL2 last year during UBI's "good support" phase), I've realized that I've spent over $200 bucks CDN on the three games this year from one company, UBI.

The pathetic customer service experience involved:

Splinter Cell stopped dead at a specific level and no patch ever fixed it. "Unreal Engine" problem, zero support.

Raven Shield - I'm not even going to get into how poorly this one was supported/implemented with their "CD Key" bullcrap

FB - the one I bought regardless of UBI's dimishing name (hey, it's Oleg, right?) and yet it's strike three in many ways when you look at the pathetic response from UBI to our inquiries.

Yes, Oleg has been a star on this, but we needed to literally light a fire under UBI's arse on Friday to get a long awaited statement that the patch is *thank god* coming out in two weeks, which is a far cry from May, so don't tell me it's "well supported". It hasn't been till now, okay?

If the voices didn't get raised in here (and elsewhere) they probably wouldn't have updated and instead dragged their *** even longer.

Call a spade a spade.





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DayGlow
07-21-2003, 05:47 AM
so you are upset with FB because it's taking longer to produce the patch? (and by the latest update on what it is doing, it is a major overhall of the code, which would take time)

I'd say Ubi overall in my experience is good on a whole. Interaction within this forum and LOMAC with the devs is great. For myself I've never had a hickup with SC or RvS, so no complaints there.

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XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 08:07 AM
Chadburn wrote:
- While it's true that patches to a game can be a
- pain, I'd rather have a game that is released and
- playable than wait forever for a "perfect" game.


I concur in that the longer it takes for a game to make the necessary fixes to its code, etc, the more time it takes to get the whole thing done. If they are going to release a game then make it playable. The patches that come afterwards should be just fine tuning. While I would not go so far as to call FB unplayable, we shall see ultimately what kind of fine tuning will be happening at the end of the month when the patch is released.

XyZspineZyX
07-21-2003, 08:49 AM
Before a game is released albeit FB or lomac or Il2 for that matter; we're being enticed and spoiled with tons of goodies, diaries, reports, screenshots, wallpapers, screensavers you name it they toss it at ya.

Then the game is released and suddenly things slow down. In some cases (Ravenshield etc.) it comes to a dead end. The hype has ended, a new favorit takes its place.

So its not too surprising that some people will notice and speak up about it.

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