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fordfan25
08-07-2006, 02:59 PM
Iv been fling the FW for a couple of days now and i cant beleave the how weak the 20mm guns are compaired to the 50BMG. even the 4 303's on the spits do more damnge. Will this be corrected in the next patch or is this a allies only game? .....

VMF-214_HaVoK
08-07-2006, 03:02 PM
You have lost your mind! Although I suspect a hint of sarcasm. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

berg417448
08-07-2006, 03:04 PM
I'll give you a 2 out of 10.

thefruitbat
08-07-2006, 03:05 PM
i've seen u do alot better, 2/10

it did make me smile though http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

cheers fruitbat

faustnik
08-07-2006, 03:07 PM
Originally posted by fordfan25:
Iv been fling the FW for a couple of days now and i cant beleave the how weak the 20mm guns are compaired to the 50BMG. even the 4 303's on the spits do more damnge. Will this be corrected in the next patch or is this a allies only game? .....

No, this will not be corrected, learn to shoot. You can't rely on your overmodeled .303 uberguns all the time. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

fordfan25
08-07-2006, 03:08 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif i know. im off my game.

JG53Frankyboy
08-07-2006, 03:08 PM
it s time for the 4.06 release http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BSS_CUDA
08-07-2006, 04:20 PM
That doesnt even rate an E for Effort. weak VERY weak Ford, you wont even catch Hayate with this one

MEGILE
08-07-2006, 04:27 PM
OMFG I HATE YUO TROLL.. GET TEH ADMIN AND BAN YIUO!

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

fordfan25
08-07-2006, 04:30 PM
Originally posted by Megile:
OMFG I HATE YUO TROLL.. GET TEH ADMIN AND BAN YIUO!

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif thnaks for the kind words. I'll do better next time.

fordfan25
08-07-2006, 04:31 PM
Originally posted by BSS_CUDA: you wont even catch Hayate with this one ok now that just hurts. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

VW-IceFire
08-07-2006, 04:34 PM
Stop spraying with the MK108 uber cannon and use a real gun!

RCAF_Irish_403
08-07-2006, 04:40 PM
OK...this is a send up...the world can sleep tight tonight http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

geetarman
08-07-2006, 05:10 PM
Originally posted by fordfan25:
Iv been fling the FW for a couple of days now and i cant beleave the how weak the 20mm guns are compaired to the 50BMG. even the 4 303's on the spits do more damnge. Will this be corrected in the next patch or is this a allies only game? .....


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif Good one!

Charos
08-07-2006, 05:45 PM
Originally posted by fordfan25:
Iv been fling the FW for a couple of days now and i cant beleave the how weak the 20mm guns are compaired to the 50BMG. even the 4 303's on the spits do more damnge. Will this be corrected in the next patch or is this a allies only game? .....

Gee Ford you really need to update your patch level http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif - The minen shells were added a few patches ago - apparently there wasnt any problem prior to that -- be shore. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Bait rate 2/10.

Divine-Wind
08-07-2006, 05:55 PM
Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Stop spraying with the MK108 uber cannon and use a real gun!
Yeah, like teh p00ny .50 calz!

BBB_Hyperion
08-07-2006, 07:57 PM
Correct ammo for the 20 mm would bring balance to the force.

http://img109.imagevenue.com/loc450/th_01866_Mg15120_450lo.JPG (http://img109.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=01866_Mg15120_450lo.JPG)

Of course even more unfair it gets here.
Mine MX 25g HA41 (Cyclonite & Alois) compared to Mine 19,6 g (Ha41 or Nitropenta) modeled now ingame.

Weakness of FW guns is partly based on dm and of course on given ammo belts.

Gumtree
08-07-2006, 08:19 PM
Did I just detct a nibble

VW-IceFire
08-07-2006, 08:57 PM
http://memory-alpha.org/en/images/4/47/Stuka.jpg
Clearly they should have upgraded the FW190's 20mm with Plasma Guns like on this Stuka.

Charos
08-07-2006, 09:09 PM
Originally posted by BBB_Hyperion:
Correct ammo for the 20 mm would bring balance to the force.

http://img109.imagevenue.com/loc450/th_01866_Mg15120_450lo.JPG (http://img109.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=01866_Mg15120_450lo.JPG)

Of course even more unfair it gets here.
Mine MX 25g HA41 (Cyclonite & Alois) compared to Mine 19,6 g (Ha41 or Nitropenta) modeled now ingame.

Weakness of FW guns is partly based on dm and of course on given ammo belts.

HMMM Yes MX for the win. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif
I hope BOB introduces selectable ammunition based on year and mission objective.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~trentelliott/IL2/p008.jpg

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~trentelliott/IL2/qmx0010.jpg

If we keep on like this - we may just turn this thread around, bah who am I kidding. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Haigotron
08-07-2006, 09:52 PM
if all else fails - ram ram ram your plane...its the single most effective way of downing everything, besides you'll conserve bullets http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

leitmotiv
08-07-2006, 11:16 PM
The real MG151 was an absolute buzzsaw, even at long range.

fordfan25
08-07-2006, 11:36 PM
Originally posted by Gumtree:
Did I just detct a nibble Yep i beleave you did

fordfan25
08-07-2006, 11:39 PM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
The real MG151 was an absolute buzzsaw, even at long range. not in this game. i got online tonight and i spent most of my FW's ammo on a Ki-43 and all i did was give him a fuel leak. WTF is wrong with this game. it needs to be fixed ASAP. just because the germans lost the war does not mean there weapons were so weak. and whats with the forward veiw in the FW. No way it was that bad...

Charos
08-08-2006, 12:15 AM
The community is hitting one of those pre-patch low points again. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

rnzoli
08-08-2006, 03:19 AM
Originally posted by fordfan25:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
The real MG151 was an absolute buzzsaw, even at long range. not in this game. i got online tonight and i spent most of my FW's ammo on a Ki-43 and all i did was give him a fuel leak. WTF is wrong with this game. it needs to be fixed ASAP. just because the germans lost the war does not mean there weapons were so weak. and whats with the forward veiw in the FW. No way it was that bad... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Uhmm... Have you checked the 30 mm shells lately? They are even weaker than 0.303s. Try them and report the results, there is quite a trolling potential in complaining about them, too. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

D-Mentier
08-08-2006, 01:16 PM
Me is n00b, will that get fixed in teh next patch?

Divine-Wind
08-08-2006, 01:18 PM
Everything always gets fixed in teh next patchzorz.

Even my random 1337 $p34k bursts.

0h n0z! ! f331 0n3 c0m!ng up!

Warrington_Wolf
08-08-2006, 02:38 PM
Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
http://memory-alpha.org/en/images/4/47/Stuka.jpg
Clearly they should have upgraded the FW190's 20mm with Plasma Guns like on this Stuka.
Does the poor bugger in the back get a plasma gun too. or does he just fire his gun and shout zap, zap, zap. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

IIJG69_Kartofe
08-08-2006, 03:47 PM
Originally posted by fordfan25:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
The real MG151 was an absolute buzzsaw, even at long range. not in this game. i got online tonight and i spent most of my FW's ammo on a Ki-43 and all i did was give him a fuel leak. WTF is wrong with this game. it needs to be fixed ASAP. just because the germans lost the war does not mean there weapons were so weak. and whats with the forward veiw in the FW. No way it was that bad... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Errrh .... ???

Buy a new PC ???

Yours seems to have a lot of lag !

Mg151/20 is effective, be shure, the only one in the 109 nose is!

IIJG69_Kartofe
08-08-2006, 03:49 PM
Originally posted by Warrington_Wolf:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
http://memory-alpha.org/en/images/4/47/Stuka.jpg
Clearly they should have upgraded the FW190's 20mm with Plasma Guns like on this Stuka.
Does the poor bugger in the back get a plasma gun too. or does he just fire his gun and shout zap, zap, zap. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Hmmm ...

Oooh yeaaahhh ... FB+AEP+PF "Galactica" patch ...

A must! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

VW-IceFire
08-08-2006, 05:15 PM
Originally posted by Warrington_Wolf:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
http://memory-alpha.org/en/images/4/47/Stuka.jpg
Clearly they should have upgraded the FW190's 20mm with Plasma Guns like on this Stuka.
Does the poor bugger in the back get a plasma gun too. or does he just fire his gun and shout zap, zap, zap. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I think he's more for the shouting http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

thefruitbat
08-08-2006, 05:19 PM
you know, i gave you 2/10 to start with. i might have to adjust that as time goes by...

cheers fruitbat

AFJ_Locust
08-09-2006, 04:42 AM
Originally posted by fordfan25:
Iv been fling the FW for a couple of days now and i cant beleave the how weak the 20mm guns are compaired to the 50BMG. even the 4 303's on the spits do more damnge. Will this be corrected in the next patch or is this a allies only game? .....

seriously you need to consider your shooting skills and your convergance

BBB_Hyperion
08-09-2006, 04:46 AM
Originally posted by AFJ_Locust:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by fordfan25:
Iv been fling the FW for a couple of days now and i cant beleave the how weak the 20mm guns are compaired to the 50BMG. even the 4 303's on the spits do more damnge. Will this be corrected in the next patch or is this a allies only game? .....

seriously you need to consider your shooting skills and your convergance </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hitting and downing something doesnt mean it is correct when you could have done it in 1/3 of the time with correct ammo.

WOLFMondo
08-09-2006, 05:19 AM
This is the worst trolling I've seen here in months.

leitmotiv
08-09-2006, 05:58 AM
Simple fact: a Bf 110G with the belly pack and nose 20mm MG151s---four, total, is a flying smash machine for Forts and Liberators. Do not bother trying to argue otherwise---this is plain as day to anybody who can manage a well-orchestrated firing run on either from ahead or behind. The game MG151s can tear an American heavy to bits at the very edge of the range of the American 50s. Their accuracy and velocity at long range is amazing. If you charge in like a bull in a china shop or can't hit the broad side of a barn door, you may not be aware of the weapon's sterling qualities. One of my favorite QMBs is making a run on American heavies with the 110G. I have disassembled enough to be perpetually amazed by the MG151. I only use my two MK108s for point-blank fire; I much prefer to slowly close while hammering the target with the 20s, and more often than not they are sufficient to bring it down. I rake the bombers from wingtip to wingtip by swinging my nose. The wings will burst into flames, control surfaces will be blown off---it is appalling! And, in summation, the Maddox MG151s are one thing of which I can't complain!

Diablo310th
08-09-2006, 06:01 AM
Fordfan.....I'm dissapointed in you. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif I always thought better of you than this. I was under the impression you could hit anything even with underpowered 20's.

BBB_Hyperion
08-09-2006, 06:03 AM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
QMBs


Case closed not relevant to discussion . AI and Offline does not represent Player DM.

p1ngu666
08-09-2006, 07:18 AM
yeah, i always have difficulty with the vast amardas of player flown b17 and b24's.

might have something todo with it being a dream, however http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

LEBillfish
08-09-2006, 08:20 AM
I use the 151/20 to flip over Tiger tanks and kill cruiser class ships and less with a single burst...........Naturally, I get a lot of negative points yet it makes the .50 caliber fans very jealous so is worth it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

BBB_Hyperion
08-09-2006, 08:33 AM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
I use the 151/20 to flip over Tiger tanks and kill cruiser class ships and less with a single burst...........Naturally, I get a lot of negative points yet it makes the .50 caliber fans very jealous so is worth it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Got Track ?

Here the 50s vs Tiger
http://rapidshare.de/files/28746053/p47vstiger.ntrk.html

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

MEGILE
08-09-2006, 09:15 AM
But what about that FW cockpit bar... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

BBB_Hyperion
08-09-2006, 09:39 AM
Originally posted by Megile:
But what about that FW cockpit bar... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Hmmm as you say it what is about it ?

MEGILE
08-09-2006, 10:19 AM
Originally posted by BBB_Hyperion:


Hmmm as you say it what is about it ?

I dunno, you tell me.

BBB_Hyperion
08-09-2006, 10:57 AM
Originally posted by Megile:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BBB_Hyperion:


Hmmm as you say it what is about it ?

I dunno, you tell me. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You asked for it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif now you must clear things up.
(I know nothing)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know-Nothing_movement

MEGILE
08-09-2006, 11:13 AM
ok ok..

The FW cockpit bar.... it's certainly there.. in the cockpit... and it's a bar.

BBB_Hyperion
08-09-2006, 11:45 AM
http://www.splashgrill.com/i/c/splash_grill_bar_2_lg.jpg

A grill bar ? In that small cockpit come on cant be serious.

fordfan25
08-09-2006, 01:19 PM
Originally posted by Diablo310th:
Fordfan.....I'm dissapointed in you. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif I always thought better of you than this. I was under the impression you could hit anything even with underpowered 20's. see thats the point. i can hit anything with every shot. just the 20mm's are WAY to weak. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

anarchy52
08-09-2006, 01:33 PM
Originally posted by p1ngu666:
yeah, i always have difficulty with the vast amardas of player flown b17 and b24's.

might have something todo with it being a dream, however http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

B-17s and B-24s are relatively easy targets compared to B-25. They take up to 100 20mm shells to bring down. My personal records are 140 in dora and 157 with A4 (wingman finished him off with a bit of help by AAA). I estimate 20mm shells being ~50% of the hits in dora and a bit more in anton.

I'm convinced that damage effect on FM is hard coded for each plane individually just like visual damage.

fordfan25
08-09-2006, 06:33 PM
ok i just did some testing. targets were B-17's fighters. planes tested were the D-9 FW190 and the p-51B mustang. i shot down all 8 B17's with the 4X.50s on the stang in the QMB and only 3 in the Dora WTF? and yes i tested in crimera map. i tried testing on the Spit as a target plane but each hit was reflected back at me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Charos
08-09-2006, 08:31 PM
Originally posted by Megile:
ok ok..

The FW cockpit bar.... it's certainly there.. in the cockpit... and it's a bar.

This is where we store the Schnapps to drown our sorrows.

Drinking Blue Whine http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif since 2001.

Irish_Rogues
08-10-2006, 06:09 AM
This is where we store the Schnapps to drown our sorrows.

I'll have a double.