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Pahvilaatikko
01-11-2007, 10:24 AM
I've been playing on and off these games for quite a while. I read and train and train and read and get a tad better but don't seem to get better then a noob. I can take off and land ok most of the planes I've flown but flying in combat, I suck. I've manage barely one on one with average AI, with about same quality plane but any advantages to AI lead to my defeat.

So I definately have to better my flying skills first. I've read and watched footage a lot about these offensive/defensive manouevres but hardly ever seem to pull them of correctly (timing and stuff). And if there's a plane chasing me I don't even remember what to do.

So tell me how did you became a terror of the skies? How did you learn all the fancy movements and stuff? I'd really like to learn so I can manage online too without being burning heap of scrap after every flight.

Rood-Zwart
01-11-2007, 10:36 AM
Start flying bombers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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SeaFireLIV
01-11-2007, 11:00 AM
Originally posted by Pahvilaatikko:


So tell me how did you became a terror of the skies? How did you learn all the fancy movements and stuff? I'd really like to learn so I can manage online too without being burning heap of scrap after every flight.

How do you learn a subject at school? how do you learn a job? How do you learn to get fitter?

It`s all about constant practise, learning from others and patience.

Me personally:

1. I flew offline for 2 months against AI flying aircraft that suited my style of flying.

2. Choose a favourite plane. I chose an LA5fn, there was no spitfire at the time, but the LA5fn flew pretty much like a Spit. It flew like how I expected a plane to fly, turn, turn, turn until you outtturn the enemy!

3. Use a good joystick and configure it to either give more slack for less sensitivity or tighten for more response. Beware, too much sensitivity will make you stall all the time. I like a loose sensitivity.

4. Practise REALISTIC GUNNERY with LIMITED AMMO against ammoless bombers until you get used to targeting and shooting down the aircraft. having unlimited ammo on unrealistic gunnery is bad practise. Start with the options on realistic and you`ll mentally and automatically learn your ammo state (when you`re leikely to run out) so you`ll conserve and you`ll become more accurate. You won`t be tempted by the "Aw, I `ve run outta ammo, I`ll go unlimited!" laziness.

5. Go online and apply POLITELY to join an online squad or if you don`t want that commitment, just ask for pointers from real guys online who fly IL2. there`s always someone willing to advise.

And keep practising.


That`s the basics. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

p.s The bit where you say you forget everything once in combat is simply down to practise. With practise you`ll eventually remember even in combat.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">


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ShaK.
01-11-2007, 11:09 AM
well practice and more practice and more practice. Just when you've had enough practice, practice some more.

Practice offline against unarmed bombers, untill you can start scoreing good hits. Remember GET CLOSE BEFORE YOU FIRE!!!!!!! Wing tips of enemy FIGHTERS should be touching the outsides of the circle on your aiming sights.

If you can join an active online squad. There is where you will get the most help.

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Xiolablu3
01-11-2007, 11:18 AM
PM me if you want to fly together sometime, I'll give you some tips http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Waldo.Pepper
01-11-2007, 11:58 AM
playing on and off

Well there's your problem!

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msalama
01-11-2007, 12:00 PM
Piristy mies, kyl se siitä ajallaan http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif (tr: cheer up man, it'll get better with time)

And _do_ take up on Xiola's offer, too - from what we've heard he's quite the ace http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif You can ALWAYS learn from good pilots, so an offer like this is certainly worth your while!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Xiolablu3
01-11-2007, 12:07 PM
Originally posted by msalama:
from what we've heard he's quite the ace

Thanks for the vote of confidence, Msalama but you have the wrong person. I flew on Winds Of War the other day for the first time in ages and shot up a Hellcat - in my P51.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

I can show pahville the basics of energy fighting tho, as once you have learned it, its just common sense http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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NSAdonis85
01-11-2007, 12:10 PM
One other thing that I can confirm helped me a lot in multiple flight sims. Aerobatics. Do'em, do'em plenty, you'll get the feel for your aircraft of choice and gain confidence in pulling her over the edge when needed. Second, lots and lots of gunnery practice. I actively fly 8 plane types ingame BTW from both sides. That can give you a nice glimpse of aircraft performance, their ins-and-outs. Not all planes ingame are suited for say, close-quarter cannon fights. With some patience, speed and height advantage is a virtue that can help in a fight a lot http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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F19_Ob
01-11-2007, 12:20 PM
well ,cardboard box' don't dispare. When everything else fails, take some vodka (if u're over 25) and losing seems less of a problem. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

switching to bombers as rood suggested is a bad idea indeed since u need twice the patience and skill compared to a fighterpilot who has no concerns compared.

If u fly online I suggest recording tracks to be able to review your mission to better see what u can improve.
Lots can be lerned by cycling through the different players to see their style and how they manage different situations.
I still review my tracks with great thoroughness
although it was more than five years ago I started that practice.

Be sure that the experts in this sim make mistakes too, once in a while, and most have learned the hard way.
In a go around with 40+ players even the aces will run out of luck at some point.

Some experts have done this for many years and it would be strange if someone with less experience could take them on 'one on one'.

Don't let losing be a big deal, and see mistakes as a source to learn and remember.
A good thing is to learn to give ones opponent some credit aswell, although that may be hard for a very competitive type to do.

My way is to blame my brother when things go wrong. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

One importatnt thing to note is that many fly together and when experienced pilots do it and find a lonely expert he is a dead person no matter how expert.
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jazman777
01-11-2007, 12:38 PM
Originally posted by Rood-Zwart:
Start flying bombers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Targets are mostly static. You need to fly straight. Level bombing has a strange fascination for us engineers--using the bombsight correctly is cool techno-assassin work. And IL-2/JABO requires some real skill to hit the target.

You can blow up multiple things with a stick of bombs. Nothing like seeing 10+ "Enemy Car Destroyed" etc. scrolling by.

And having bombers flying around online makes it more interesting for everyone.

Old_Canuck
01-11-2007, 12:54 PM
I joined [OAC] squad for a time and learned a lot of technical information and tactics in that short time that would still be unknowns without their help. If you're able to make a commitment to a squad, I would recommend it.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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BSS_AIJO
01-11-2007, 12:56 PM
Hey,


I flew for a few months off-line with very easy settings. Then I started flying on-line with comms. That way I could at least hear what he better pilots were up to. Then I joined a squadron and started to really learn how to not make a fool of myself. 8^) For a while ( about 6 months ) every night after work before actually going on line I was flying a qmb with unlimited ammo to work on my shooting.. After a while I was able to go with limited ammo and still get all of the targets. Also, getting good against the AI is one thing getting good on line is a totally different thing. Take the plunge and fly with comms you can lear a lot from folks who are have already been there.



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msalama
01-11-2007, 01:12 PM
...and shot up a Hellcat - in my P51....

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif That c**p happens to everyone. Shot down my good mate Sergei in his Beaufighter myself a couple of weeks ago because I thought this crate approaching me h2h fast was a Bf110 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

@paffilaatikko: what Jazman said. Bombers are great fun. Now I'm mostly a jabo / dive bomber guy myself, and that s**t is _hard_ to do well (I'm finally starting to be OKish - surely has taken lots of blood, sweat, tears and virtual lives) but if you excel in it you'll most certainly earn everyone's respect... so why not give it a try if flying fighters feels a bit stale?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Xiolablu3
01-11-2007, 01:43 PM
Yeah - I was sure he was a N1K2, stubby body, short wings, oooops.


I should say that I just love flying with people, so if anyone wants to do some flying anytime, or if you think I can show you anything (or you show me, even better!) ,give me a pm..

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fighter_966
01-11-2007, 01:55 PM
Kannattaa ensiksi opetella osumaan vastustajaan
oikeestaan mistä kulmasta hyvänsä .Joten QMB.tä ja kunnon vastustajia joko ilman ammuksia http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif tai kuten minä pitkän kaavan kautta http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif veteraaneja vastaan oman Ai tai jonkun kaverin kanssa lentäen Lan http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif on hyvä juttu Tsemppiä http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif ja http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif TÄRKEIN http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif opettele yhdellä koneella ensiksi ja sitten vasta muihin..

XyZspineZyX
01-11-2007, 03:12 PM
The key to solving any problem is to locate it's source

What are you doing wrong? I don't know. Are you constantly running out of E (energy)? Can't hit what you aim at? Try to make the tightest turn at top speed constantly? Make tactical mistakes your opponent exploits? Use the plane wrong?

Planes aren't cars that go up and down http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Even your relative 'nose position' over the horizon isn't necessarily your actual flight path. there's times when trying to climb at higher angles just wastes speed and efficiency while making you climb slower

most 'poor' pilots seem to make maneuvers that afford them nothing but exercise: every move you make should be made for two reasons:

1) bearing guns on target

2) conserving or gaining energy

Energy is the effect of speed+altitude. You 'cash in' energy at times, but if you say, go into a steep climb without the prospect of gaining enough energy from a dive at your new height to counter what your enemy does while you climb, you have just lost

Once you are out of energy, you are out of possibilities except to waste all effort getting energy back

Extreme example:

P-47D following an A6M in a climb from 200 feet altitude, when both planes are going 200 mph

When the P-47 is about to stall and the pilot must struggle to retain control, the Zero is at it's best, and still has Energy to spare. the Zero has not lost any possibilities, and the P-47 has given away of his. the Zero dips a wing, circles a bit as the P-47 drunkenly wallows, and then dives down on the slow, easy target

P-47 gets shot down. that's energy for you

To become a good fighter pilot, first you must know your plane

No offense; but you don't http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif if you can take off and land OK in most planes you fly, you simply are not proficient enough. real fighter pilots were taught aerobatics in order for them to master their planes. It's pre-requisite. You need much more stick time doing the 'boring' stuff

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ShaK.
01-11-2007, 05:09 PM
Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:
Well there's your problem!

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msalama
01-11-2007, 11:12 PM
Where do you fly Msalama?

Here and there, though I haven't flown online much lately (been a bit busy w/ RL matters). I prefer full real servers and am a ground attack pilot. I usually fly Red and my favorite rides are the SBD, B-25, Havoc, Pe-2, Beaufighter and the Sturmos (IL-2 & 10) in no particular order. The moniker is "MSa" so give me a shout whenever you see me @ HL!

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msalama
01-11-2007, 11:17 PM
opettele yhdellä koneella ensiksi ja sitten vasta muihin..

Totta, erittäin tärkeä pointti http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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leitmotiv
01-12-2007, 12:05 AM
Perhaps you haven't spent enough time using the slower early-early aircraft like the I-153 or the I-16s? You can get a better sense of tactics in the early war aircraft. Try brawls between the J8 and the CR 42, or the Hurricane I and the MC 200 or the G 50. The late-war aircraft are so fast it is hard to learn with them, and usually one burst blows you out of the sky. Try gunnery training in a Hurricane I vs. the pathetic Soviet SB bombers. Move on from there to chasing IL-2 single-seaters in a Bf 109F or early 190. If I can do it---a totally uncoordinated oaf, you can!

rnzoli
01-12-2007, 01:54 AM
Oh, so many "terror of the skies" around to give you good advice. Forget them. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif Here are mine that can help you get rid of the frustration much quicker:

1. Accept your current limits - you are what you are, not everybody can be a virtual ace.
2. Fly in co-op missions for a teams or squad - leave the boring dogfighting behind.
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01-12-2007, 02:05 AM
Alot can be learned from watching others also. I know I have picked up some moves by watching others after I have been KIA'd in coops.

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AlGroover
01-12-2007, 02:55 AM
Make sure your aircraft is trimmed correctly. This makes a big difference to energy retention, performance and shooting accuracy. Also set gun convergance to something reasonable (I use 180m). The default setting of 500m is ridiculous.

AnaK774
01-12-2007, 03:31 AM
It takes some time to get used to.

easiest way is to find a squadron, get on comms with em and ask from more experienced, ask for traks from more experienced players etc...

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Pahvilaatikko
01-12-2007, 08:47 AM
Thanks for the great tips to all and those who offer on-line help. I think I better take the offer. I've read a lot (most of that in pursuit too) but still mess up cause it's hard to remember all that stuff when im in the cockpit or to apply it in the situation correctly. Well that's of course about experience too but acquiring a skill is lot easier if there someone showing how things are actually done instead of just trial and error reapeated http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

TopGunBkk
01-12-2007, 01:14 PM
Well I'm in my mid 40's, served in the military
USMC.All my life watching hollywood movies, going to air shows and of course coming here.
Its not really hard to do...takes talent.

Ok example plane is chasing you....try to make a deep left or right turn.It will take him some time to just get in position to fire on you.

If their are any bridges fly under one,(lower spd) he might fly over you and u can get the advantage.
Use your flaps to combat and raise.

If he hot on your tail.....pull back go straight up.....kill your engine.Start it up use tip smoke to make him think he got you.As u fall down turn it off start engine you could be on his tail now.

Do a roll over flipping your plane in a circle
going to the right or left.Hide in some clouds, if theres battle ships fly to your ppl so they shoot him down.Sometimes if your good fly low pull up hard and they crash into the ground or mountain unable to pull up! Hard for them to hit ya!

Hope that helps just practice you'll get beter !

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Xiolablu3
01-12-2007, 01:18 PM
Lmao Topgun, classic post http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I especially like this one 'Ok example plane is chasing you....try to make a deep left or right turn.It will take him some time to just get in position to fire on you.'

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TopGunBkk
01-13-2007, 07:57 PM
a real pilot knows what i'm saying
i flew in marines for 20 years
in other words a deep turn means 180 degress from the point he attacking you if its a straight line you turn quickly it works
I've been in over 350 actual real missions
i think i know what i'm talking about .In iraq did it and in vietnam never shot down.Your talking to a real veteran not some geeky kid.

Mr_CobraStyle
01-13-2007, 09:48 PM
eh?


Originally posted by TopGunBkk:
Well I'm in my mid 40's


Originally posted by TopGunBkk:
I've been in over 350 actual real missions
i think i know what i'm talking about .In iraq did it and in vietnam never shot down.

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WWMaxGunz
01-14-2007, 12:44 AM
Originally posted by Pahvilaatikko:
How did you learn all the fancy movements and stuff? I'd really like to learn so I can manage online too without being burning heap of scrap after every flight.

Learn to fly before you learn to fight. No, really just spend time practicing maneuvers only
while learning the proper management of controls and engine without distractions. You did not
learn math while riding a roller coaster in a water park did you?

Spend time with view so you can see instruments and a bit over the dashboard. Use the rudder
to keep the ball (or slip needle on Spitfire) centered and you get less drag and later better
aim but practice until you need less and less to watch the ball because you know what is
about right.
Learn that engine management is more than 110% throttle and 100% rpm (pitch on CSP planes).
Far more. Cut the pitch in dives especially as you exceed top level speed, you will dive
faster. Otherwise it is about cooling system and heat mangement of your reserve capacity.
Cut the pitch and/or throttle going into a turn and bring it back up as you complete from
about halfway through, just for the engine management side of turning. Having a thing pull
the nose of the plane directly forward hard while you are trying to change direction is
not good sense if you think about it and in real as well. Try it and see.

Use the rudder to keep the plane level instead of using side stick.

Make it a practice to not pull the stick to diagonals. You want to turn, roll first, put
the stick to center and then pull back smoothly. Every use of stick and rudder adds some
drag. Act as if every extra drag has a multiplier on it and you will fly cleaner, faster.

In turns, watch your speed. When you are losing speed in turns, note that as there is
acceptable loss for short times and the information will serve you. If you makes turns
longer then find the place where just a bit more you begin to lose speed and see if you
don't get it back by loosening up a bit on the stick. Also practice turning nose low,
lose some altitude and get it back before ending the turn even 90 degrees change.

Practice using the vertical and note how gravity will assist you and how you can do that
wrong as well as right. Your speed at the end of maneuver will let you know if nothing
else. If you are in a plane with poor flat turn but good roll (FW, P-47, some others)
then you can change direction by going up or down to best roll speed, rolling so your
cockpit points in the new direction and then pulling onto that direction. You can turn
180 degrees very fast that way while flat turn is less than halfway through.

For each plane there is different behaviour at all speeds though some are close at some.
Practice on only one plane until you know well what you can do without losing energy.

Energy is your speed and your height combined. You can trade each for the other. Learn
how much and how fast you can for each plane, they are different. Try to change too fast
and you will lose energy in some draggy maneuver that will be your fault. Learn what does
work and avoid the draggy ways.

So you know what speeds to turn just how far and maybe you are going too fast to make a
strategic turn (enemies not very close) then you rise up in best not-draggy way until your
speed is good for the turn and bring the nose around then without flattening out to use
gravity there as help but never never go from level making turns by holding your nose a
bit high or pulling up while you roll in the over and back use of diagonal stick, you
have 2 extra drag from elevator plus aileron (3 with rudder) plus one from fighting gravity
as well. Nose high turns like that are a true sign of a dweeb, newb, noob, whatever and
don't mix them up with using the vertical because that way is the wrong way. You practice
just flying to find the cleanest that you can tell by speed or loss of speed what you get.

Some speed losses are acceptable. It takes practice to know how little you can get and
what makes it worse, then avoid the worse. You put the practices into combat then you
will approach the fight differently. You will not go straight for every chance at getting
on someone's tail but instead seek to align yourself for killing shots while leaving
yourself the better energy to deal with the other planes and not be a slow, near stationary
target (going in circles for example) but instead able to exit with plenty speed to make
emergency turns (why to know how much speed loss is acceptable, energy for angles!) if
you need.

Fly just one plane of a basic type for a month till you know it very well. Switching
planes takes away your edge leaving only a general feel at best. People that jump from
one to the next do not fly any of them to the best they can. They remember some, enough
to be half-fast about it so if you want to be better than half-fast spend the time in
just one and then another most like it before moving along.

If you spend 1 to 3 months training for just one plane then how long to go through them all?
And a $40 RPG is supposed to be good if it takes 70 hours to solve? What a value WE get!

WWMaxGunz
01-14-2007, 12:51 AM
Originally posted by TopGunBkk:
In iraq did it and in vietnam never shot down.Your talking to a real veteran not some geeky kid.

Talk fast. You are in your mid-40's and flew combat over Vietnam? No-EFFING-way!
They didn't take 10 year olds to train as pilots.

I've got a friend two years younger than me that keeps saying he was a Marine in Vietnam
in 1971. Gee, I turned 15 that year. And he is older than you.

Xiolablu3
01-14-2007, 05:50 AM
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Abbeville-Boy
01-14-2007, 06:36 AM
They didn't take 10 year olds to train as pilots.
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Feathered_IV
02-12-2007, 07:32 AM
Originally posted by TopGunBkk:
a real pilot knows what i'm saying
i flew in marines for 20 years
in other words a deep turn means 180 degress from the point he attacking you if its a straight line you turn quickly it works
I've been in over 350 actual real missions
i think i know what i'm talking about .In iraq did it and in vietnam never shot down.Your talking to a real veteran not some geeky kid.

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p-11.cAce
02-12-2007, 08:04 AM
Topgunbkk - in another post you stated you flew "steahl" fighters in the gulf - I'll assume you meant stealth. So what is your Bandit number? They do not even begin to be classified so don't give me that ****.

rnzoli
02-12-2007, 08:22 AM
In yet another post, he perma-banned himself http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Don't feed the trolls, please http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

M2morris
02-12-2007, 09:41 AM
Speed is the key, and energy management and good marksmanship. Never fly level while fighting, never get into a turning fight with anything( I fly F4U so you know why) hit bombers head on or from the side. Speed speed speed and oh ya, go fast too. hit and run even if you are on a fighters tail and your plane is bouncing all over the place from torque, P factor gyroscopic procession or what ever the hell else and the sites are moving all over the place, squeeze the button, dont jerk spray and hope for a hit, lead and squeeze off short bursts, and get the hell outa there, fast. Well, thats how I do it anyway. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
Just thought wouldnt it be cool; if prop-wash was a factor here in the sim. (I'm not in 46 yet)