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XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 07:31 PM
On October 16, 1939, German JU 88s from the island of Sylt, attacked naval ships in the harbour at Rosyth, Scotland.

About to enter dry dock for repairs was the battleship HMS Hood, but the pilots had strict orders not to attack. A personal order from Hitler stated 'Should the Hood already be in dock, no attack is to be made, I won't have a single civilian killed'.

After the raid, in which the 9,100 ton cruiser HMS Southampton was damaged, Spitfires from RAF Turnhouse near Edinburgh, attacked the departing JUs. One was shot down, hitting the sea off Port Seton. This was the first enemy plane to be brought down by RAF Fighter Command.


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Message Edited on 06/17/0309:51PM by TaZ_Attack

XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 07:31 PM
On October 16, 1939, German JU 88s from the island of Sylt, attacked naval ships in the harbour at Rosyth, Scotland.

About to enter dry dock for repairs was the battleship HMS Hood, but the pilots had strict orders not to attack. A personal order from Hitler stated 'Should the Hood already be in dock, no attack is to be made, I won't have a single civilian killed'.

After the raid, in which the 9,100 ton cruiser HMS Southampton was damaged, Spitfires from RAF Turnhouse near Edinburgh, attacked the departing JUs. One was shot down, hitting the sea off Port Seton. This was the first enemy plane to be brought down by RAF Fighter Command.


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Message Edited on 06/17/0309:51PM by TaZ_Attack

XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 07:39 PM
Right in my back yard...w00t/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 07:50 PM
Now if Oleg & Co. could put the Spit into FB, you could loose that silly P-39 and fly a REAL plane! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


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XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 07:51 PM
Dude you cut me real deep...Real deep/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif



True though/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 07:56 PM
I thought the Fleet Air Arm beat the RAF to make the first kill of the war.

I may be wrong though.

Regards

Mike

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XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 07:59 PM
SJ watching Shrek to much /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


I thought that first british kill was He-111 by FAA gladiator. But for RAF dunno can be that Ju 88.



Message Edited on 06/17/0307:02PM by CSL_Jp-

XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 11:45 PM
CSL_Jp- wrote:
- SJ watching Shrek to much /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
-
-
- I thought that first british kill was He-111 by FAA
- gladiator. But for RAF dunno can be that Ju 88.


What was the date?




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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 12:45 AM
ive dived (scuba) many wrecked a/c in this area.most are very broken up, however, there is an avenger off of burntisland that is in remarkably condition considering...
I believe it ditched after engine failure during a training flight in 1945. From what ive gleened from local books it is an early TBF-1B model, it belonged to 785 Squadron based at Crail, where pilots were trained to fly bombers. The rear gun can be seen fully restored at East Fortune a/c museum
Crail was also a base for Swordfish and Barracuda aircraft. Many planes are reported as crashing or ditching into the sea around the Forth area.
I have photos of these dives tho they are pretty dark as visibility is often little more than a few metres in this water (even though we were only at 14m depth lol).

"the empty can rattles the most"

XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 12:50 AM
That first kill was really interesting. Apparently the German plane crashed and the RAF chap landed to meet the Germans and to make sure that they never destroyed the aircraft.

However, upon landing, on soft, marshy ground, the RAF chaps aircraft tipped over. He was rescued by the Germans, after they destroyed their plane !

/m

http://www.world-data-systems.com/lomac/pirhana.jpg

XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 12:56 AM
i just had to add that seeing this beast coming out off the grey green gloom as you fin through the darkness towards it puts the willies right up you!
It is a sight i shall never ever forget. It looks almost sad sitting there, completely out of its element yet still gracefull and powerfull...
ill stop now cos my writing skills will not permit me to put words to the excitement of this experience.

"the empty can rattles the most"

XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 01:30 AM
mattduggan wrote:
- That first kill was really interesting. Apparently
- the German plane crashed and the RAF chap landed to
- meet the Germans and to make sure that they never
- destroyed the aircraft.
-
- However, upon landing, on soft, marshy ground, the
- RAF chaps aircraft tipped over. He was rescued by
- the Germans, after they destroyed their plane !

Did the crew become the first German POWs in Britain?

If so, they spent a long time waiting for the war to end. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif




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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 01:34 AM
Franta....never mind getting over excited...post the piccies ! Would love to see them.


Lixma,

The Devil`s proudest Advocate.

XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 02:20 AM
thanks for the interest lixma.
i will be diving it again in a couple of weeks though this time i will be armed with my new 375 strobe gun (that should light the bugger up!).
I will post the new slides a.s.a.p
in the meantime have a look at this link it has a little bit about her and other a/c wreck in this area...

http://www.divernet.com/wrecks/1101planesd.htm

as you can see from this article it is very hard to get a descent shot of her in these conditions. Even the pro that took the accompanying shots had trouble by the looks of it! (compare with the pictures of the lightning, link at top of page)
I will try my best to get descent cockpit shots etc. and wont embarras myself with my previous attempts.

"the empty can rattles the most"

Message Edited on 06/18/0302:37AM by Franta

XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 02:48 AM
Cheers for the link Franta. My father used to scuba dive when he was in the forces stationed in Cyprus until an ear infection buggered it up. Used to come home with pots and all sorts of barnacled debris. I can't tell you the delight my mother found in finding room in the attic for it all.



Lixma,

The Devil`s proudest Advocate.

XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 03:14 AM
yeah been there... ive brought home jam-jars, tea spoons, bottles, anchors, other peoples equipment ...you name it!
I would really love to find an unknown aircraft wreck and get the compass, gun sight or control stick. However, i would NOT take anything from a war grave! I feel it would pretty disrespectful to tear up some brave sods final resting place for want of a personal trophy.
I have heard stories of divers seeing boots, bones, uniforms and other personal effects lying in the compartments of shipwrecks. None of them re-tell the story with much enthusiasm...


"the empty can rattles the most"

XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 03:20 AM
Thx for the link Franta.

I'll be doing some diving off the Channel Islands on the California coast this summer with a friend of mine who is a pro...don't think I'll find any a/c there though. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


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