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Airmail109
08-14-2007, 02:03 PM
Supposedly Gentile shot him down. He had 150 kills. He apparently flew a black and white nosed Fw190 and held the rank of Major.

TBH I dont think the guy exists.

MEGILE
08-14-2007, 02:08 PM
Only smarties has the answer.. along with a rediculous amount of e numbers.

Low_Flyer_MkVb
08-14-2007, 02:11 PM
http://www.kurtvonmeyer.com/

MEGILE
08-14-2007, 02:13 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Meyer_%28Panzermeyer%29

Airmail109
08-14-2007, 02:13 PM
Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkVb:
http://www.kurtvonmeyer.com/

Wiseguy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Airmail109
08-14-2007, 02:14 PM
No in Gentiles biography he claims he shot the dude down

Abbuzze
08-14-2007, 02:42 PM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
No in Gentiles biography he claims he shot the dude down

Hmm nothing in there:
http://www.luftwaffe.cz/

Grand_Armee
08-14-2007, 03:02 PM
When I was a teen (call the year 1979), I bought a book published by Bantam called 'Horrido! Fighter aces of the Luftwaffe'. It was co-authored by Trevor Constable and Raymond Toliver. At the end of the book was a huge list of Luftwaffe fighter aces. It had other lists like top killers of 4-engined bombers, most kills in me-262, most kills against western Allies...etc. It was a good book, and I used the list for a number of years while I was heavily researching German fighters and buying any book that would give me more pictures and more details.

AS for my memory...Kurt von Mayer rings a bell. The book itself is available used at Alibris.com which is an Australian site.

As for my memory...I can't seem to remember the name of that huge US based online bookseller...

Oh hell, where'd I park my car!

Grand_Armee
08-14-2007, 03:16 PM
...lol....can't believe it took me 15 minutes or better to drag Amazon.com from the bowels of my memory.

Excuse: I live in Australia, and don't order from Amazon to avoid overseas shipping charges and delays associated with long distances.

Believe me?

Rjel
08-14-2007, 03:39 PM
In the book called Don S. Gentile: Soldier of God and Country, the author uses a newspaper clipping naming Von Meyer as a Luftwaffe ace shot down by Gentile. It's not a well written book, full of inaccuracies and I think some of it is purely a figment of the author's imagination. It would be interesting to read Gentile's journals to see if the name is truly in there.

NeuralTech
08-14-2007, 03:47 PM
Wasn't there a nice sized handful of German Aces during WWII that had well over 220 kills?

They had to fly SO many more missions than us I know that...



never heard of Kurt Von Mayer though
solid name

leitmotiv
08-14-2007, 04:11 PM
This is the only Luftie Mayer I can recall:

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/battleofbritain/egonmayer.html

crucislancer
08-14-2007, 04:12 PM
Perhaps the newspaper article was in error.

Low_Flyer_MkVb
08-14-2007, 04:30 PM
Here you go Aimail:-

Gentile's logbook:

http://wademeyersart.tripod.com/id40.html


Unofficial Mission Narratives written by Don Gentile in the back of his WW II Logbook



"Saturday - March 4, 1944. Since this is a day of rest for me I feel that now is a good time to note, what I feel has been my roughest mission, so far, and hope the last of that kind - anyway. Yesterday morning I took off (Don was flying P-51B VF-W) in the roughest weather I have yet to see couldn't even see down the runway. We were scheduled to escort "Big Boys" to Hamburg, Germany. I took off with my wingman Johnny Godfrey and the rest of the flight was to join me (Don was "A" Flight commander at this time) but due to weather we never met. So Johnny and I set course for Hamburg hoping the rest would join us above overcast. While on course I could hear different boys calling on R.T. (Radio/Telephone: RAF slang for "radio") saying they were returning because of trouble one way or the other on their aircraft. Johnny and I continued on course hoping that when we broke overcast that at least a few planes would join us.

J. G. and I finally broke overcast at 33,000 feet after flying instruments for an hour with the gas slanging away at the tanks. I was ready to quit and return to base. After being on course for a couple hours still no one joined us. So we decided to continue on alone. As we were approximately 100 miles from target the weather seemed to clear up as if you would take a knife and cut it. Looking back now I wish the soup would have been all the way around the target and back. In the distance I spotted approximately 50 D.O. 217's in formation climbing for altitude and above them were about 100 F.W. 190's. They were getting ready to attack the "Big Boys" head on. I called Johnny on the R.T. and asked him if he wanted to go ahead and attack knowing there were no other friendly fighters in this area. So as usual Johnny said "You're the boss."

I then dove down to engage the D.O.s hoping to break up the German fighters formation, so the "Big Boys" could bomb before the German fighters could get organized again to attack, which they never did due to our breaking their formation. I began firing at tail end "Charlie" and the D.O.s started diving in formation for the deck. About this time Johnny started screaming that the 100+ F.W.s were coming down on us The D.O.s were cross-firing on us at the same time. I had one D.O. smoking badly when I had to break away due to the 100+ coming in on us. J. and I met them head on going through the complete German formation from then on all "hell" broke loose.

Planes were going up and down and every which way. F. W.'s were firing at us from all directions I thought this was it. In the midst of twisting and turning I managed to get on an F.W., who overshot me, and was lucky enough to get him. Johnny started to scream on the R.T. saying 50+ was coming in at 6:00, so I started to aileron roll for the deck. They were closing in so I had to pull up in a vertical climb into the F.W.s. At this time I noticed a brightly painted F.W. on my tail blazing away and Johnny screaming for me to break. I broke so hard that my plane started doing snap-rolls when I got the aircraft under control the F.W. was slightly ahead and above. So we ended up with me on his tail diving and twisting, which lasted a good ten minutes. I managed to get his aircraft on fire and noticed he had it, so I broke away. Johnny's and my ammo was expended so we tried to head for home but the F.W.'s kept coming in on us and we kept breaking into them each time we broke into them we got closer to the cloud bank my gas supply was getting so low, and also Johnny's, so we had to dive for the clouds with them on our tail, of course we were skidding at the same time by the grace of God we reached the cloud bank, and after flying instruments for a while we let down through (the bottom of the cloud deck). During the combat I lost my maps so I didn't know my position, and Johnny didn't know either so we took the general direction home.

When we hit the coast line, it didn't look familiar for we were supposed to come out over the Dutch coast. I finally recognized the Jersey Islands which meant we were 200 miles south of our course, and with only 20 gals. Gas left I thought I'd never make it, of course Johnny was in the same fix. I throttled back to nothing, just barely staying in the air. (We were) running out of gas on the English coast. Thus making a forced landing on Hurn Airdrome, after refueling I headed home. Thank God for a good wingman, or I wouldn't be able to write this today.



(A few days later . . .)

I was just notified that the brightly colored F.W. ------ couple of days ago (see above) was a German ace who had [ . . .] victories to his credit. Kurt Von Meyer. Thank God I didn't know it was him or I'd probably passed out. (This short entry was written with a shaky hand - Don probably just came from post-mission interrogation and was still pumped up with adrenalin)."

It's a great site - check it out.

leitmotiv
08-14-2007, 08:14 PM
Egon Mayer was killed, ostensibly by T-bolts, on 2 March 1944. He had 102 victories. Thus, he was killed the day before Gentile's epic mission. Maybe this Kurt von Meyer story is the result of a mix-up in Allied intel?

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/battleofbritain/egonmayer.html

P.S. I think it is fascinating an Eagle Squadron old hand, like Gentile, who had been in the ETO at least two years, misidentified Bf 110s as Do 217s---even one he was close enough to engage. Clearly that big formation of twins was one of the last ZGs of 110s still operational. There were only a few night fighter Do 217s still around in the winter of 1944, and they never operated en masse in daylight.

Tab_Flettner
08-14-2007, 09:42 PM
http://www.kurtvonmeyer.com/

F*ck he's aged well, eh? Not sure I get the progression from the Luftwaffe to popular music, but wth, good for him!

Capt.LoneRanger
08-15-2007, 01:38 AM
Meyer or Maier is the most common name in Germany and it was in WW2. Remember why Göing said, they should call him Meier after a bomb falls on Germany?

Kurt and Fritz were also very common. Maybe somebody said it was Kurt Meyer, just because he didn't want to say Kraut or Fritz and the story evolved on it's own. Since Manfred von Richthofen, the "von" is also quite common. Just look at how many have their nicknames with a "von", like "VonRat" and some others.

Just a guess, though, as such an ace would be better known IMHO. Reminds me strongly to the documented US-pilots reports, who sunk a number of 700% of all submarines ever built by the German navy until 1945....

luftluuver
08-15-2007, 04:53 AM
Wolf-Dietrich "Fürst" Wilcke

On 6 March, his machine Bf 109G-6 was damaged in aerial combat and Wilcke had to make an emergency landing at Neuruppin. Although his aircraft was destroyed, Wilcke escaped injury. On 23 March 1944, Wilcke led JG 3 in an attack on a USAAF bomber formation near Braunschweig. During the ensuing combat, Wilcke shot down his 162nd, and last, victory, an escorting P-51 fighter, but was shot down near Schöppenstedt. He died in the wreckage of his Bf 109 G-6 (W.Nr. 160 613) "Black << + -". It is thought he had become the victim of American aces Major Don Gentile (21.833 confirmed and 3 damaged victories) and Major John Godfrey (16.333 confirmed, 2 probale and 5 damaged victories) of the 336th Fighter Squadron, 4th Fighter Group, USAAF.

So not only did Gentile mis-ID the 2e a/c but also the a/c of this German ace. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Hope the 'Dogfight' series does a proper research if they ever do a show on this event.

leitmotiv
08-15-2007, 05:40 AM
Gentile's mission described above was on 3 March.

leitmotiv
08-15-2007, 06:00 AM
Speaking of Gentile:

http://www.hyperscale.com/galleries/p51b48pc_1.htm

ultraHun
08-15-2007, 06:37 AM
Best match seems to be Major Egon Mayer (http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Personenregister/M/MayerE.htm), fallen on March 2nd 1944, 102 aerial victories.

EDIT: Oops, leitmotiv already had that.

luftluuver
08-15-2007, 07:13 AM
On 2 March 1944, Mayer led a formation from JG 2 against an USAAF daylight raid. USAAF P-47 fighters escorted the bombers. The fighter escort overpowered Mayer's attacking group and he was shot down and killed near Montmédy in Fw 190 A-6 (W.Nr. 470 468).

DKoor
08-15-2007, 07:13 AM
Yes..........only 'popular' Meyer was the Panzer one.
AFAIK.

This flying Meyer is probably created by some error in translation or something.

ultraHun
08-15-2007, 11:48 AM
Originally posted by luftluuver:
On 2 March 1944, Mayer led a formation from JG 2 against an USAAF daylight raid. USAAF P-47 fighters escorted the bombers. The fighter escort overpowered Mayer's attacking group and he was shot down and killed near Montmédy in Fw 190 A-6 (W.Nr. 470 468).

Yes. Just as leitmotive said, there is probably an intelligence mishap here. It seems all too natural to credit ones top-aces with the victory over their top-ace.

leitmotiv
08-15-2007, 12:20 PM
And Egon Mayer was a star---all of his shoot-downs were on the Western Front and included 25 viermots---heavies. His was a major loss for the Jagdflieger.