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Scorpion.233
12-11-2006, 12:19 PM
Probably a stupid question, but how do I play online? I don't see any lobbies at ubi.com, and when I press multiplayer ingame it shuts down the game and nothing happens.

berg417448
12-11-2006, 12:23 PM
It is a poor Hollywood movie...not history. When the script was written it was reviewed by the National Park Service historians who pointed out many dozens of errors....but little was changed.

As far as planes shot down...several Japanese planes actually were shot down by US Army fighters that day:

http://www.acepilots.com/usaaf_welch.html

RCAF_Irish_403
12-11-2006, 12:52 PM
Kalle, I want you to get a load of this wiki article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Welch)


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Originally posted by marc_hawkins:
Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. A 108:0 kill ratio is insignificant next to the power of the Force

http://www.fas.org/main/home.jsp

RCAF_Irish_403
12-11-2006, 12:56 PM
ubi has to release the dedicated server patch. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

Originally posted by marc_hawkins:
Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. A 108:0 kill ratio is insignificant next to the power of the Force

http://www.fas.org/main/home.jsp

joeap
12-11-2006, 01:17 PM
Originally posted by general_kalle:
and finnaly the two heroes get to their (inferier) P40's take off and shoot down 4 zeroes...THERE WAS OVER 300 japanese and still they shoot down 4. to say the truth..unrealistic

and to prove the japanese is evil they had to show how they bomb and strafe civilians...not true. they only hit airplanes and ships. they wouldnt waste bombs on roads.



Lousy movie yes, BUT as the others said a few Japanese planes were shot down. Also, most civilians killed in Honolulu that day, IIRC, were hit by "friendly fire" once the fleet started firing back. I suggest you read up on the Sino-Japanese war or the Philippines campaign, the Japanese had no compunction against strafing civilians in other places.

Bo_Nidle
12-11-2006, 01:22 PM
Awful film, just awful. Impressive effects but the story.............. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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papotex
12-11-2006, 01:43 PM
yes, its so holywood it makes me wana puke.
but i guess they were targeting a more general
audience than just history buffs. hey..thats their best shot at geting profits.

i knew it was gona be like that even before i heard anyone talking about it, i also knew they the special effects was something i wanted to see.

its a romantic story in WW2 and that apeals to women and men, thats more customers that would go to a movie like say...Enemy at the gates wich is a damn good movie but chicks dont like that.

im still looking for her.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

WWSensei
12-11-2006, 01:56 PM
PH was a horrible movie.

It was unhistorical as hell.

~350 Japanese aircraft attacked. 29 were shot down and 20 more were rendered unflyable after landing. That's a little over a 10% attrition rate for an attack that started as a total surprise.

Especially about the two Americans who took off to defend the attack. Lt Taylor and Lt Welch (the real people not the Hollywood phonies) sortied twice and between them shot down 6 Japanese aircraft (not four as the movie portrayed). Taylor got two and Welch got four.

So yeah, two Americans did take off in P-40s to fight against over 300 Japanese aircraft and shot a few down.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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tigertalon
12-11-2006, 02:48 PM
And once it will be released, you can meet most of us online not at UBI, but at HyperLobby (http://hyperfighter.sk/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=2&orderby=dateA).

It's a program you have to download and install, and it will show you all the servers and ppl online ATM. During the weekends there is as much as 1000 players here, at this moment 602 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Akronnick
12-11-2006, 03:37 PM
300 Japanese planes attacking is what I call a "Target Rich Environment" probably wouldn't be too difficult to make a few boom and zoom passes and bag two bogies before landing to refeul/rearm, and a P-40 in the air would have a much better chance to survive that battle than one on the ground.

As for the Pearl Harbor movie, it totally sucked balls.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Tater-SW-
12-11-2006, 03:51 PM
Kalle, the movie, "Pearl Harbor" was AWFUL.

That said, in RL, 2 USAAF pilots,Ken Taylor and George Welch, indeed took off in their P-40s, and were credited with 7 aircraft shot down between them. :P

On the way to the airfield, they were strafed 3 times in their car. They had to land to rearm and take off again, too.

tater

RCAF_Irish_403
12-11-2006, 04:03 PM
I thought it was George Welch and Ken Taylor (not the other way around)<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

Originally posted by marc_hawkins:
Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. A 108:0 kill ratio is insignificant next to the power of the Force

http://www.fas.org/main/home.jsp

Feathered_IV
12-11-2006, 04:52 PM
HAMMER DOWN! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

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waffen-79
12-11-2006, 05:00 PM
About that movie we can be completely sure about 2 things:

Japanese planes were shot down that day by american pilots

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Nimits
12-11-2006, 05:04 PM
and finnaly the two heroes get to their (inferier) P40's take off and shoot down 4 zeroes...THERE WAS OVER 300 japanese and still they shoot down 4. to say the truth..unrealistic

and to prove the japanese is evil they had to show how they bomb and strafe civilians...not true. they only hit airplanes and ships. they wouldnt waste bombs on roads.

The Japanese performance in air to air combat over Pearl Harbor was not particularly stellar. 2-3 P-40s were shot down as they tried to take off from Bellows. (5 SBDs and 1 B-17 ferrying into Oahu were also lost to a combination of Japanese fighters and AAA fire) Otherwise, 2 P-40s and about 6 P-36s got airborned and were credited with 2 A6Ms and 7 bombers for the loss of 2 P-36s (1 to "friendly" AAA fire). Theough it was perhaps inevitable that, giving the numbers of aircraft involved and the wide area targetted by the attack some "leakers" would get through, it has never seemed to me that the Japanese fighter escorts did particularly impressive job of protecting their bombers against the US fighters that did manage to get airborne.

The Japanse strafed several civilian vehicles on Oahu, suspecting, I guess, (often correctly) that they contained military personnel. However, in the eariler China Incident, and later in the Philippines and Malaya campaigns, Japanse aircraft displayed no moral compunction about attacking "civilian" targets. In fairness, though, most civilian casualties (all but one, I believe) on Oahu were caused by improperly fused AAA shells from the US warships in the harbor.

Treetop64
12-11-2006, 05:36 PM
Heh. Telling this community that Pearl Harbour sucked is like telling the world that the Pope is Cathlic. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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blakduk
12-11-2006, 05:47 PM
The movie 'Pearl Harbour' was dreadful- not because it was historically inaccurate, but because the dialogue was woeful, the story too slow, the characters were charmless, the pace was too patchy etc. The most amazing part for me was the sinking of the battleship- what should have been a dramatic moment appeared very boring. I was so bored with the movie by that point that i just wanted it to end. The director and editor should have been shot, and the writer responsible for the dialogue should have been exiled. As for the actors.... maybe they should have been confined below decks when the ship sank http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif
With the budget they had for that film it should have been far better- some of the aerial sequences were okay but most of it was nonsense.
Movies are about entertainment, and PH was not entertaining.

Movies can try to be accurate (such as 'Tora tora tora') but they will always have their problems. As for the PH being too 'American'- Hollywood focuses on its domestic market to make its money so of course it is going to do its best to make the story attractive to that audience. On this occassion they went so far that they turned off most of that audience. It takes a very brave director with a lot of influence to get producers to back a project that is going to challenge audiences.

If you want historical accuracy, dont go to the movies to watch 'blockbusters', watch documentares, read books, listen to accounts from all sides, and always retain a health dose of skepticism.

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jarink
12-11-2006, 08:00 PM
OMG!!! You mean it didn't really happen that way??

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C'mon, any illiterate fighter pilot that's good enough to fly with the RAF, get shot down, escape, then get to Hawaii in the nick of time to fight the Japanese is probably good enough to take a quick 4-month conversions course for flying B-25s off of a carrier to bomb Japan (and also crash-land in China, fight off Japanese soldiers then get back to the States to get the girl).

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ShaK.
12-11-2006, 08:03 PM
So what, if it was not accurate!! Its not a documentary. Its a good movie. It has good action shots. good acting. Not nearly as many inaccuracies as Top Gun. Top Gun is still a good movie.

"With the budget they had for that film it should have been far better- some of the aerial sequences were okay but most of it was nonsense."

As opposed to what? oh yea, ALL the other recent arieal ww2 movies. They are all just charms.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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12-11-2006, 08:07 PM
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HotelBushranger
12-11-2006, 10:34 PM
Who's this guy? ^

Dude PH was ****, not just because of the ridiculous inaccuracies, dodgy flight models (Zeros and P-40E's climbing at about 10,000 fpm - hello these aren't F-15s), lameness all over, but the ACTING which you proclaim was so good, was the WORST.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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FritzGryphon
12-11-2006, 10:54 PM
Don't forget the 10 second delay on bombs, and the arming vanes that acted like timers.