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stalkervision
03-18-2007, 06:40 PM
All I can say is WOW! These guys over at the shockwave have turned what always had the potental to be one great game but still had a lot of rough edges into one heck of a combat flight sim! What an amazing difference they have achieved. I can't even come close to discribing how good it is now. Game patches I have usually downloaded rarely do much if anything but not this one.

If this is any indication of what awaits the owners of Bob 2 in future patches I say BRING IT ON!

I salute all the volunteers over at the shockwave forums. These guys are the absolute best! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Btw, if I were any of you guys here I would buy BOB2 while one can and while it is still cheap and patch it right now. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif When word gets around how really good it is now you won't find it that easily or that cheaply anymore..

VMF-214_HaVoK
03-18-2007, 06:43 PM
If only it had multiplay! Still a great sim. Im gonna have to get this patch.

VMF-214_HaVoK
03-18-2007, 06:45 PM
Maybe this will compel Oleg to get someone to continue supporting this sim until SoW ships. A little competition is good. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

stalkervision
03-18-2007, 06:47 PM
Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
If only it had multiplay! Still a great sim. Im gonna have to get this patch.

Ya that would be grand! Believe me once you download THIS PATCH you will be saying "Multiplay what is multiplay? We don't need no stinkin Multiplay! " http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

slappedsilly
03-18-2007, 06:48 PM
Is 2.06 out? Where?

stalkervision
03-18-2007, 06:49 PM
Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
Maybe this will compel Oleg to get someone to continue supporting this sim until SoW ships. A little competition is good. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

That is true isn't it? It just might. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

stalkervision
03-18-2007, 06:52 PM
Originally posted by slappedsilly:
Is 2.06 out? Where?

http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7341

It's the beta patch 2.6

stalkervision
03-18-2007, 06:56 PM
and get this will you THIS PATCH WILL GET EVEN BETTER! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif I just read from one of the guys over there they are improving this patch a lot more even! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif

SeaVee
03-18-2007, 07:12 PM
yes stalkervision, what you tested is NOT the 2.06 patch, only a very tiny aspect that will likely be in that patch. The FM (Flight Model) candidates you tested are only about 5% of the actual patch itself - probably not even.

Here is what I wrote in that thread at shockwave you linked:

"....you are only testing the very narrow and specific FM candidate - NOT the actual 2.06 full patch - not even close to the full patch.

There is ALOT in the 2.06 patch that is entirely separate from these FMs and which IMHO complement a great deal these FMs. Buddye alludes to some of these types of code changes in his first post at the top of page 3 of this thread:

http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7085&start=30

There are yet other changes, fixes and improvements that also improve the overall AI behavior and dogfighting - totally independent of these FMs.

In the aggregate the overall effect is excellent - as the Devs expect you'll see in the final form patch very soon. We Beta testers certainly seem to like it. :lol:

stalkervision
03-18-2007, 07:40 PM
Originally posted by SeaVee:
yes stalkervision, what you tested is NOT the 2.06 patch, only a very tiny aspect that will likely be in that patch. The FM candidates you tested are only about 5% of the actual patch itself - probably not even.

Here is what I wrote in that thread at shockwave you linked:

"....you are only testing the very narrow and specific FM candidate - NOT the actual 2.06 full patch - not even close to the full patch.

There is ALOT in the 2.06 patch that is entirely separate from these FMs and which IMHO complement a great deal these FMs. Buddye alludes to some of these types of code changes in his first post at the top of page 3 of this thread:

http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7085&start=30

There are yet other changes, fixes and improvements that also improve the overall AI behavior and dogfighting - totally independent of these FMs.

In the aggregate the overall effect is excellent - as the Devs expect you'll see in the final form patch very soon. We Beta testers certainly seem to like it. :lol:

well I am quite happy with what you got right now. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Please oh please be careful with my beta patch will you and whatever you do don't make it worse!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif


I sound like someone who has the latest version of Windows XP and is thinking of downloading Microsoft Vista don't I... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

ytareh
03-19-2007, 05:29 AM
Listen you IL2 guys....I bought this BOB:WOV sim and it was terrible out of the box which is now general knowledge.Unplayable.Then a patch cameout ....no better....sold the darn thing.Later another uber patch came out and I foolishly bought the game again -well it DIDNT make all that much of a difference.
So Id be very cautious when guys start reporting super new BOB:WOV patches so long after its release
If ever a game needed a good support forum this BOB;WOV is it yet I could never register/log on and wasnt the only one....
I used be the sort who would buy every new sim released.Now Ive learned if you want to try something different try level bombing or mission building or similar in THIS game.I might fly 1% LOMAC and Strike Fighters or 0.1% CFS3 but return very promptly to IL2 46....
Not fanboyism just the simple truth...see recent thread where pilots say this is the most realistic flight modelled sim...

sukebeboy
03-19-2007, 05:46 AM
Depends what it is you're hoping to get out of a sim. I think the flight and damage models in IL-2 are great, but the single player campaigns, AI, and immersion factor could definitely be improved upon. Sadly, it looks as though they never will be.

BOB:WOV ain't perfect. It's flight and damage modelling are nowhere near as good as IL-2s, but its AI, it's campaign, and its attention to detail are all far and away above IL-2.

Ruy Horta
03-19-2007, 06:05 AM
The campaign module looks like a war game, how good is it as such?

Looks like this one deserves a second look.

sukebeboy
03-19-2007, 06:41 AM
It's good if you're not one who needs to micro-manage. Once the flights are planned and up, there's little you can do but watch and wait for the results. (Except jumping in the cockpit and trying to tip the scales in your favour. I usually end up making things worse when I do that though.)

JG52Karaya-X
03-19-2007, 06:51 AM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slappedsilly:
Is 2.06 out? Where?

http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7341

It's the beta patch 2.6 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I dont know why, but I cant access any of shockwaveproductions sites... my explorer always times out and tells me that the page failed to load, cuuhrrap

|ZUTI|
03-19-2007, 06:54 AM
I will definately give it another go. Last time i just didn't like low speed handling. Elevator was just too sensitive. But that might be just me not tweaking input curves, if that is possible. Why don't they give out multiplayer code? IRCC, they have that, but are using it only amongst themselves (developers). Im not that centain though.

stalkervision
03-19-2007, 07:18 AM
Originally posted by ytareh:
Listen you IL2 guys....I bought this BOB:WOV sim and it was terrible out of the box which is now general knowledge.Unplayable.Then a patch cameout ....no better....sold the darn thing.Later another uber patch came out and I foolishly bought the game again -well it DIDNT make all that much of a difference.
So Id be very cautious when guys start reporting super new BOB:WOV patches so long after its release
If ever a game needed a good support forum this BOB;WOV is it yet I could never register/log on and wasnt the only one....
I used be the sort who would buy every new sim released.Now Ive learned if you want to try something different try level bombing or mission building or similar in THIS game.I might fly 1% LOMAC and Strike Fighters or 0.1% CFS3 but return very promptly to IL2 46....
Not fanboyism just the simple truth...see recent thread where pilots say this is the most realistic flight modelled sim...

When I first bought Bob2 my computer and video card just wouldn't handle it's graphics requirments. The game was awful IMO because or this. It didn't work very well whatsoever. I updated my computer and video card and the game all of a sudden got much much better. Then came the 2.5 patch and it was noticeably improved a whole lot. Now with the 2.6 patch if this beta is any indication wahtsoever the game is becoming what it was originally suppose to be. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

stalkervision
03-19-2007, 07:23 AM
Originally posted by JG52Karaya-X:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slappedsilly:
Is 2.06 out? Where?

http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7341

It's the beta patch 2.6 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I dont know why, but I cant access any of shockwaveproductions sites... my explorer always times out and tells me that the page failed to load, cuuhrrap </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh God you don't know what your missing. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif I can't wait for this patch to be fully done seeing that this beta is so darn good! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

jermin122
03-19-2007, 08:02 AM
Good news. We need competitors.

RxMan
03-19-2007, 09:02 AM
I guess I'll just have to get it, with the patch, and give it a go. Especillay since I just fround it for $20 including shipping.
I bought the original BOB when first released, I was one of the first as I got a limited edition poster 24x36 with it. Hung on my wall for years.

spiffyscimitar
03-19-2007, 11:32 AM
The game is definately worth a look. It's too bad the damage modelling isn't more visual or extensive, but the hundreds of planes in flight and much better AI make for some dramatic and adrenalizing dogfights. The sounds are also top notch. Campaign is hard to get your head around, but I like how it invovles you in the greater conflict.

pacettid
03-19-2007, 11:56 AM
I have it, have patched it and still can't get the thing to operate reliably. It hangs-up, crashes to desktop, etc...maybe this latest patch will finally make it playable.

stalkervision
03-19-2007, 12:03 PM
Originally posted by pacettid:
I have it, have patched it and still can't get the thing to operate reliably. It hangs-up, crashes to desktop, etc...maybe this latest patch will finally make it playable.

Go over to shockwave forums and tell them what is going on with your game. They are an absolute great bunch of guys and will try to help you with any problem you have with the game.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif


well worth it because I just spent ten incredible minutes in a one V one match with a spit! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif Hell the spit pilot was only set to veteran level even. I hate to see what will happen when I set it to ace,hero or the dreaded "Terminator!" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

DKoor
03-19-2007, 12:08 PM
I have only one major complain about BoB2: controls section (menu). I have spent a lot of time figuring out things there...

Otherwise a nice game.

stalkervision
03-19-2007, 12:10 PM
Originally posted by DKoor:
I have only one major complain about BoB2: controls section (menu). I have spent a lot of time figuring out things there...

Otherwise a nice game.

ya the menu section is more then a bit confusing isn't it.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

p-11.cAce
03-19-2007, 12:21 PM
Listen you IL2 guys....I bought this BOB:WOV sim and it was terrible out of the box which is now general knowledge.Unplayable.Then a patch cameout ....no better....sold the darn thing.Later another uber patch came out and I foolishly bought the game again -well it DIDNT make all that much of a difference.
So Id be very cautious when guys start reporting super new BOB:WOV patches so long after its release
If ever a game needed a good support forum this BOB;WOV is it yet I could never register/log on and wasnt the only one....
I used be the sort who would buy every new sim released.Now Ive learned if you want to try something different try level bombing or mission building or similar in THIS game.I might fly 1% LOMAC and Strike Fighters or 0.1% CFS3 but return very promptly to IL2 46....
Not fanboyism just the simple truth...see recent thread where pilots say this is the most realistic flight modelled sim...

Could not agree more - I don't understand what the WoV fanbois are doing in here anyway. The reality is that the quality of shockwave software is NOWHERE near what we receive from Oleg. IL2 has been stable since the beginning, its fm's, dm's and environment were solid to begin with and have only improved over time. Much of the WoV "positives" are simply one persons opinion being reflected. My prediction? SoW will blow it out of the water.

stalkervision
03-19-2007, 12:38 PM
Originally posted by p-11.cAce:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Listen you IL2 guys....I bought this BOB:WOV sim and it was terrible out of the box which is now general knowledge.Unplayable.Then a patch cameout ....no better....sold the darn thing.Later another uber patch came out and I foolishly bought the game again -well it DIDNT make all that much of a difference.
So Id be very cautious when guys start reporting super new BOB:WOV patches so long after its release
If ever a game needed a good support forum this BOB;WOV is it yet I could never register/log on and wasnt the only one....
I used be the sort who would buy every new sim released.Now Ive learned if you want to try something different try level bombing or mission building or similar in THIS game.I might fly 1% LOMAC and Strike Fighters or 0.1% CFS3 but return very promptly to IL2 46....
Not fanboyism just the simple truth...see recent thread where pilots say this is the most realistic flight modelled sim...

Could not agree more - I don't understand what the WoV fanbois are doing in here anyway. The reality is that the quality of shockwave software is NOWHERE near what we receive from Oleg. IL2 has been stable since the beginning, its fm's, dm's and environment were solid to begin with and have only improved over time. Much of the WoV "positives" are simply one persons opinion being reflected. My prediction? SoW will blow it out of the water. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

One can be a fan of both games can't one?? What I see of SOW is it appears one might just need an "uber 6000$ computer" to run all it's graphics! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif also the clouds and atmospherics apparently are very close to BoB2 and the airplanes while more detailed for sure aren't that much more so. Then there is the matter of the massive formations BoB 2 can run. They run very well now even on a lower end computer.

"blow it out of the water?" Don't bet on it.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I have 1946 and Bob and love them both. Bob's ai and airborn graphics are absolutly wonderful but 1946 has a lot more wonderful great aircraft and assorted missions and ground details. Actually owning these two games is the best of both worlds..

BTW 1946 crashes to my desktop occassionaly but BoB never does. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

slipBall
03-19-2007, 01:40 PM
Originally posted by DKoor:
I have only one major complain about BoB2: controls section (menu). I have spent a lot of time figuring out things there...

Otherwise a nice game.

I agree, I spent alot of time with this also, I hate having to go back in...things seem to change on their own, just from a visit....The game it-self is not bad, and will most likley improve over time. IL-2 is so much better in alot of ways, but Shockwave is the only other decent contender worth flying...

SeaVee
03-19-2007, 03:00 PM
I've never quite understood the apparent thinking that one can not have and like more than one good combat flight sim on their PC simultaneously.

I have owned Il2 since the first release and have 1946 which is a great game too. Like any game it has its strenghts and weaknesses, as does BoB2. Both games have merit.

I've never ever bashed IL2 here or elsewhere and never will. Frankly I don't condone bashing any decent game. Similarly, blindly liking one's preferred game to the point that one refuses to recognize any merit whatsoever in anything else is narrow minded.

Constructive criticism (emphasis on the word constructive - not pointless bashing) of areas in need of improvement or weaknesses or praising legitimate strengths of either sim I think is perfectly fine.

For those that had crashes with BoB2 in the past that could not be solved, I think the overwhelming biggest single reason was the need for the DEP Exclusion with prior game version. With 2.06 the DEP exclusion will no longer be necessary because it is compiled with MSVS 8.0 which solved that.

The other main reasons for technical difficulties getting the game to run OK are the typical stuff which can affect any game:

A) Inadequate/obsolete PC that in one or more respects does not meet the game minimum requirements. For example I've seen people with non-DX9 compliant video cards complain the game does not work - well it is not supposed to....

B) Stale device drivers

C) Not using the latest version of DX9.0C

D) Corrupted download of the patch(es)

E) Unwillingness, refusal to make even the most minimal attempt to look up a solution, read any portion of the manual or browse the forums. Users don't take advantage of such resources to get the most out of their game and sometimes miss out on an array of readily available features. I know I have GREATLY benefited from the many tweak and set up guides for the Il2 series... similar things exist for BoB2.

E) Even seen people with the original Battle of Britain (Not BOB2) try to install the BoB2 patch and then complain when it did not work. It would be like applying a 1946 patch to SOW.

VMF-214_HaVoK
03-19-2007, 03:37 PM
The reality is that the quality of shockwave software is NOWHERE near what we receive from Oleg.

Umm...have you ever tried their addon for FS9? Apparently not.

I dont see why their always has to be mudslinging. It does not matter if its my plane is better then your plane, my country is better then your country, or my game is better then your game. Same old **** every time.

And if you dont want this stuff to be posted here then why bother to bump it with obnoxious comments.

scottmal1
03-19-2007, 06:45 PM
Got my copy on ebay for 1.70 (approx $3.40) bargain, patched it up to 2.05, not had a chance to give it a real go (recovering from an operation) but in the short time i've had a go (15 mins) it sounds good and so far has'nt crashed, i hope by this weekend i will be fit enough to give it a good thrashing! i like il-2, i just look on BOB WOV2 as an alternative like MS FS 2004, Cheers.

Bearcat99
03-19-2007, 06:53 PM
Don't have it... don' t want it.... don't need it... My next WWII sim will be BoB... I have everything I want in a sim here.. except for an Avenger.... and I can live with that.

p-11.cAce
03-19-2007, 07:04 PM
I dont see why their always has to be mudslinging. It does not matter if its my plane is better then your plane, my country is better then your country, or my game is better then your game. Same old **** every time.

And if you dont want this stuff to be posted here then why bother to bump it with obnoxious comments.

Because this is an UBI 1C:MADDOX GENERAL DISCUSSION FORUM. You like BoB..great! If I want to know about it, its patches, or anything else I can go to the Shockwave forum - personally I think many of the BoB fanbois who post here are really walking a tight line regarding the non-commercial clause in the terms of use policy. Its one thing to discuss free capaigns, skins, add on's, etc...but to come here and relentlessly post about a competing product and provide technical support for this product in a forum which is hosted by your competition strikes me as lacking integrity.


My next WWII sim will be BoB... I have everything I want in a sim here.. except for an Avenger.... and I can live with that.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif AND I can fly with my squad http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

VMF-214_HaVoK
03-19-2007, 07:21 PM
So ban all threads not pertaining to IL-2? No more OT threads? You can call this forum UBI/Maddox discussion all you like but take a look at the thread topics as of late. Oleg and UBI are not concerned with these forums so whats wrong with OT discussion? Dont worry nobody is trying to brainwash you. Some people enjoy other sims and only wish to spread the wealth around. You dont like it? Fine, dont buy/fly it. I still dont see any need for rude comments and/or insults. But hey thats just my opinion. I think I been around this sim long enough to offer it.

msalama
03-19-2007, 11:23 PM
Well, unless UBI's proverbial 8000-ton gorilla comes and sits on this discussion I think we're in the clear here http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

But anyway I'm personally still on the fence with BoB2, in that I had v2.5 installed but canned it after finding the FMs a bit too unrealistic to my taste. This however is being addressed now so I might as well give her another go after v2.6 comes out http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I just hope that they pay attention to gyro and propeller effects modelling at some point, because as things stand now there's hardly any need to ever trim your rudder out f.ex. - an omission sadly present in almost every sim I've tried bar IL-2!

F19_Orheim
03-20-2007, 02:38 AM
this is quite embarresing.. All this guy wanted to do is to give his opinions about a patch for another sim... so if you have the bleeding sim, get the patch and try it out. And then if you have a problem with him not talking about the "correct sim", then talk to a mod and ask him to delete this thread and the other 90%(!!) of the threads in here that aren't about Il2.

Jeez come on guys - some of you are acting ridiculously here! What's your freaking problem!? acting like 12 yo kids in here arguing about who's got the better toy.

bearcat... I don't have everything I want in a sim. IMO IL2 offline sux with lousy AI etc.

and no, I don't have BobII and I dare to say that I won't buy it because of this thread, but that is not becasue I am a bigot who think there are no other nice sims out there.

scottmal1
03-20-2007, 07:29 AM
Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
So ban all threads not pertaining to IL-2? No more OT threads? You can call this forum UBI/Maddox discussion all you like but take a look at the thread topics as of late. Oleg and UBI are not concerned with these forums so whats wrong with OT discussion? Dont worry nobody is trying to brainwash you. Some people enjoy other sims and only wish to spread the wealth around. You dont like it? Fine, dont buy/fly it. I still dont see any need for rude comments and/or insults. But hey thats just my opinion. I think I been around this sim long enough to offer it.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

scottmal1
03-20-2007, 07:30 AM
Originally posted by F19_Orheim:
this is quite embarresing.. All this guy wanted to do is to give his opinions about a patch for another sim... so if you have the bleeding sim, get the patch and try it out. And then if you have a problem with him not talking about the "correct sim", then talk to a mod and ask him to delete this thread and the other 90%(!!) of the threads in here that aren't about Il2.

Jeez come on guys - some of you are acting ridiculously here! What's your freaking problem!? acting like 12 yo kids in here arguing about who's got the better toy.

bearcat... I don't have everything I want in a sim. IMO IL2 offline sux with lousy AI etc.

and no, I don't have BobII and I dare to say that I won't buy it because of this thread, but that is not becasue I am a bigot who think there are no other nice sims out there.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

tjaika1910
03-20-2007, 01:20 PM
I just bought it and patched it up to latest patch (not 2,6) after I read on this forum it had turned out to the better now.

But ...

It crashed, was unstable, could not get it above low resolution and 60 Hz. Could not use pedals as rudder and my crappy joystick turned out too bad to do any level flight with that sim.

It look bad and felt bad, but I would still like to get it to work. After I get a decent joystick I will try again, to look what it is all about.

But Il2 is, as ever, the best I ever seen.

p-11.cAce
03-20-2007, 02:59 PM
Jeez come on guys - some of you are acting ridiculously here! What's your freaking problem!? acting like 12 yo kids in here arguing about who's got the better toy.

bearcat... I don't have everything I want in a sim. IMO IL2 offline sux with lousy AI etc.

and no, I don't have BobII and I dare to say that I won't buy it because of this thread, but that is not becasue I am a bigot who think there are no other nice sims out there.

You know if you have read my posts I have made no insults, and if you think calling me a "bigot" is in any way proper I sincerely question who is acting like a 12 year old here. I personally am indifferent to the sim - my point is and continues to be the fact that a forum is provided by that publisher for the purpose of discussing and supporting that sim.

I expect, and enjoy, the many OT topic threads here (heck I've started far to many of them!) and you and I both know that I am not referencing all OT posts - only those that promote a commercial product which directly conflicts with the one promoted by the publisher who provides this forum.

leitmotiv
03-20-2007, 03:05 PM
Product loyalty. How touching. Some people fight for their country, some people fight for their flight sims. Guess who are the fatuous fools? Funny old world.

stalkervision
03-20-2007, 04:22 PM
Originally posted by tjaika1910:
I just bought it and patched it up to latest patch (not 2,6) after I read on this forum it had turned out to the better now.

But ...

It crashed, was unstable, could not get it above low resolution and 60 Hz. Could not use pedals as rudder and my crappy joystick turned out too bad to do any level flight with that sim.

It look bad and felt bad, but I would still like to get it to work. After I get a decent joystick I will try again, to look what it is all about.

But Il2 is, as ever, the best I ever seen.

go over to the shockwave forums with your problems and the guys over there will certainly try to help you out. They are a great bunch of guys. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

I had problems sort of like that when I attempted to run the game on higher settings on a crappy slow dell system. Now that I have a much faster computer it has all gone away. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

spiffyscimitar
03-20-2007, 04:32 PM
In a perfect world there'd be too many good sims for me to buy them all. That's not the case these days. Be at least happy we have a little choice.

stalkervision
03-20-2007, 04:42 PM
Originally posted by spiffyscimitar:
In a perfect world there'd be too many good sims for me to buy them all. That's not the case these days. Be at least happy we have a little choice.


I love having all these wonderful games we now have to choose from. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif It can only make the game desighner's listen and improve upon the games that we discuss more when we compare what we like and dislike about each. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

p-11.cAce
03-20-2007, 04:51 PM
Product loyalty. How touching. Some people fight for their country, some people fight for their flight sims. Guess who are the fatuous fools? Funny old world.

Actually I'm defending one of my major stock holdings - though they are doing well despite shockwave http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif This may be a game, but there are many more adults here than you may realize - and our motivations might just not be as simple as "product loyalty". I guess in a way you are right, had I not been involved with this sim I doubt I ever would have bought any shares.

leitmotiv
03-20-2007, 07:21 PM
For petessake!

leitmotiv
03-21-2007, 12:39 AM
I own a ton of Brazilian gold stock but I don't do the samba, herf herf.

Hkuusela
03-21-2007, 04:19 AM
Originally posted by p-11.cAce:
Because this is an UBI 1C:MADDOX GENERAL DISCUSSION FORUM. You like BoB..great! If I want to know about it, its patches, or anything else I can go to the Shockwave forum - personally I think many of the BoB fanbois who post here are really walking a tight line regarding the non-commercial clause in the terms of use policy. Its one thing to discuss free capaigns, skins, add on's, etc...but to come here and relentlessly post about a competing product and provide technical support for this product in a forum which is hosted by your competition strikes me as lacking integrity.
So what is "commercial purpose"? You seem to think, that any discussion on a competing product is commercial. I personally do not see it that way. Commercial purpose means making profit. The person/persons posting here about the WoV, do not, as far as I know, have any connection to Shockwave other than a customer relationship, or some of them may help out in beta testing. Not a dime ends up in their pocket if the game does well, hence there is and can not be any commercial purpose. The line isn't even thin, the case is quite clear. If you think that the non-commercial clause is being violated, I sincerely don't think you are the right person to take action. Please click the report icon and let the right people attend to the matter.

You say that people posting about the WoV are just stating their personal opinions. At the same time you say that the quality Oleg's producing is superior to the quality of the WoV. I do agree with you on some aspects of the IL-2. On some aspects I don't. But make no mistake about this, these are our personal opinions, unless someone has made you the authority on flight sim features. And after all, I don't see the point in general discussion if personal opinions aren't allowed.

You continue stating personal opinions when you say that the WoV should not be discussed on this forum. The discussion is regulated. You can read the terms of use carefully and then you know if Ubisoft agrees with you on this one. I don't think it does, but go ahead and see for your self.

Finally I can not understand why it is so difficult to bear that someone actually likes some features on some sim other than the IL-2. I have both the IL-2 with the later add-ons and the WoV on my hard drive. I think they are both great flight sims with different strengths. If this is of any discomfort to any of the readers of this forum, I can but feel sorry for each and every one of you.

stalkervision
03-21-2007, 05:18 AM
Nope I don't have one cent in shockwave( LOL! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif) but apparently the disgruntled poster owns a lot of stock in ubisoft. No wonder talking about any other companies products bothers him so much.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

p-11.cAce "Actually I'm defending one of my major stock holdings - though they are doing well despite shockwave This may be a game, but there are many more adults here than you may realize - and our motivations might just not be as simple as "product loyalty". I guess in a way you are right, had I not been involved with this sim I doubt I ever would have bought any shares."

If I was to buy any stock in a sim company it would be maddox or microsoft. I don't see maddox losing one thin dime to shockwave or anyone else for that matter any time soon by discussing other products.


Nope I just figured people that own BOB 2 might not know how much the game has been improved and might just want to get out the game again , patch it up and see for themselves.

I have no commercial interests whatsoever in my motives but the disgruntled poster sure does..

scottmal1
03-21-2007, 08:49 AM
I always thought one of the good things about this forum is people giving us the 'heads up' about other stuff.

p-11.cAce
03-21-2007, 09:19 AM
I have no commercial interests whatsoever in my motives but the disgruntled poster sure does.

I'm not disgruntled at all - and yes I DO have a commercial interest here. As for other stocks...well Maddox is not traded and UBI is trading $9 higher than Microsoft right now...in fact had I invested in Microsoft (http://finance.google.com/finance?q=MSFT) 6 months ago instead of UBI (http://finance.google.com/finance?q=EPA:UBI) I would have only realized a $1.05 gain per share vs. $11 per share http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Anyway I've paid for WoV, I've patched it, and (finally) got it to work. I also own the Bf-109 add-on for MSFS - its nice. I've no problem with shockwave or its products - do I think they are as good as IL2? No...I don't.
My point all along though has been to question, IMHO, if it is proper to post support and obvious plugs for a directly competing product within a forum that is paid for by its competition.


Commercial purpose means making profit. The person/persons posting here about the WoV, do not, as far as I know, have any connection to Shockwave other than a customer relationship, or some of them may help out in beta testing. Not a dime ends up in their pocket if the game does well, hence there is and can not be any commercial purpose.

That may be true...but who knows? Part of my income is generated via viral marketing and my best friend makes his living by boosting vendors website ranks.

Anyway this has wasted too much of my time and yours - peace http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

stalkervision
03-21-2007, 09:54 AM
I'm not disgruntled at all - and yes I DO have a commercial interest here. As for other stocks...well Maddox is not traded and UBI is trading $9 higher than Microsoft right now...in fact had I invested in Microsoft 6 months ago instead of UBI I would have only realized a $1.05 gain per share vs. $11 per share"

well then buy more Ubisoft huh? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


"Anyway I've paid for WoV, I've patched it, and (finally) got it to work."


You will find with the new FM that it is a really blast to fly! Fly in the mission "eagle day" You will nearly **** your shorts emmersive it is now..! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

and don't worry I'm not a secret shockwave spy
and have nothing to do with them or their marketing.

Enjoy BOB 2.6 when it comes out. I have now have Il-2/ Il-2 pacific fighters/ Il-2 1946/ BOB2/ Thirdwire WOV and other assorted titles and I enjoy them all for various different reasons. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

stalkervision
03-21-2007, 10:11 AM
Originally posted by scottmal1:
I always thought one of the good things about this forum is people giving us the 'heads up' about other stuff.

I knew that not a lot of people over here were aware what the volunteers are doing on the game. Yes, you heard right volunteers! Can you believe it! Shockwave only sells the game. These guys are putting their own time and sweat in for guys like you and me to enjoy the game even more. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Hats off to them all. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

trumper
03-21-2007, 01:45 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gifPutting the boot on the other foot I wonder how many il2 /f/b series owners found out about it by reading other forums other than UBI ones.
I bet most people came here AFTER they bought IL2 or were considering buying il2.
This is'nt a them and us discussion,only a twit cuts his nose off to spite his face,especially over a sim.I own both and love both and will buy SOW ,i am the winner.
How many will buy and try the new WW1 sim Knights of the Sky because they read it on here first,a huge majority of users i bet http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Thanks for all the info from all sims,keep posting O/T subjects,it's not really O/T it's a flight sim.

|ZUTI|
03-22-2007, 12:14 AM
Should i dare to ask something? Huh, i'm gonna give it a try, since i installed BoB2 again. 2 questions.

1. Low speed handling. With that i particulary mean elevator control with minimal control input. When i prepare to land... well, nose is going up/down like crazy and i'm not making any BIG corrections. High speed is fine. That nasty low speed pitching still bugs me and i don't know if it's my controls or just me...

2. like it was mentioned before... controls assignment. Since i use X45 and hawe yaw and pitch trims on rotaries i wanted to do the same in bob2. I can assing them, rotary 1 gives me troubles. If i move it up, it trims nose down. Sice in il2 i have it the other was (muve up/nose up) i'd like that the same in bob2. Can this be done?

trumper
03-22-2007, 02:16 AM
You would be better asking the questions on the shock wave forums they will pull out all the stops to help you http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
http://shockwaveproductions.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=17
I use the rotaries on my X 45 for trimming ,seems ok to me. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


Originally posted by |ZUTI|:
Should i dare to ask something? Huh, i'm gonna give it a try, since i installed BoB2 again. 2 questions.

1. Low speed handling. With that i particulary mean elevator control with minimal control input. When i prepare to land... well, nose is going up/down like crazy and i'm not making any BIG corrections. High speed is fine. That nasty low speed pitching still bugs me and i don't know if it's my controls or just me...

2. like it was mentioned before... controls assignment. Since i use X45 and hawe yaw and pitch trims on rotaries i wanted to do the same in bob2. I can assing them, rotary 1 gives me troubles. If i move it up, it trims nose down. Sice in il2 i have it the other was (muve up/nose up) i'd like that the same in bob2. Can this be done?

Hkuusela
03-22-2007, 02:29 AM
There is a reverse axis option in the controls menu, but as Trumper said, Shockwave forum is the one for this problem.

|ZUTI|
03-22-2007, 04:11 AM
Worry not, i registered there, but didn't receive my authorization, yet http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Then that q is poping there http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

trumper: they work for me to, but as i mentioned, i'd like to reverse axis... basicly what i want to do is set BoB2 profile according to my IL2 profile.

EDIT: huh, found some pics of how that custom controls screen should look like. Strange that i have nothing on the right side of the screen when selecting any axes. Will do reinstall.

stalkervision
03-22-2007, 07:06 AM
Originally posted by |ZUTI|:
Worry not, i registered there, but didn't receive my authorization, yet http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Then that q is poping there http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

trumper: they work for me to, but as i mentioned, i'd like to reverse axis... basicly what i want to do is set BoB2 profile according to my IL2 profile.

EDIT: huh, found some pics of how that custom controls screen should look like. Strange that i have nothing on the right side of the screen when selecting any axes. Will do reinstall.

You may have to e-mail them to get to be a member of the site buddy since apparently they have had major problems with spammers.(no doubt from disgrunteled ubisoft share holders http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif) I believe that was what I did to become a member.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

p-11.cAce
03-22-2007, 08:16 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Actually I got my Shockwave registration directly from Scott.

tjaika1910
03-22-2007, 09:50 AM
Just a little thing, on the cover of the DVD it says it contains a Battle of Britain documentary. Problem is, it doesnt! Is it a good docu? I have the Battle of Britain DVD and it has some extras, among other footage from the film and some documentary. It that by any chance the same and I am not missing anything?

SeaVee
03-22-2007, 12:03 PM
On my retail box or CD I see nothing about a documentary. It did include a nice 19"X14" printed map of the battle area. Is yours a European version?

I'd like to say a few things about the IL2 vs BoB2 debates which at times have been unnecessarily hostile - on both sides.

This should not be about which game is better or worse. They are both great games with different strengths and weaknesses. I think its nice and mature that the mods here have not stamped out this and other non IL2 threads.

Shockwave does not ban or forbid posts about Il2 or other games. In fact SW does not allow posts that gratuitously bash another game or the developers. I have seen such posts and threads sent to "The Abyss". SW's policy - correctly -is that it is not acceptable or right to use the SW forums to gratuitously bash another game or the company(ies) or people behind them.

There is even an active "IL2 compared to BoB2" thread running there which has had for the most part very reasoned debate and honest criticism of the pros and cons of each game. GOZR makes some excellent points about how great on-line play with IL2 can be at times, for example. There is also a Pilot's Lounge forum where anything aviation related is quite welcome, including stuff about Il2.

I think a great many BoB2 owners in fact do own the IL2 series. For those that don't I highly encourage Bob2 owners to go out and buy any of the IL2 games as they are quality products and it supports this genre.

Sadly, there are few enough quality air combat sims out there. Whether you like Il2 or BoB2 (or both), our preferred genre does not really have the attention of most game developers. This is a shame and we need all we can get.

Competition is also a good thing for anyone who likes this genre. What kind of cr@ppy video cards would exist today if not for the existence of BOTH NVIDIA and ATI? Same for CPUs - would be have powerful and reasonably priced dual core CPUs if not for Intel AND AMD?

There is a poll thread at SW right now about the age demographics of BoB2 players. Not surprisingly, only 1% are under 18 years old, and only 12% are between 19-30. IL2 may have a bit more of a younger component due to the MP aspect but I suspect alot of IL2 players are also a bit older. This does not bode well for the WWII air combat genre as it means not too many younger kids are interested in it.... That is bad in that the big game developers in the present and future are devoting most game development resources to things OTHER than WWII air combat games. We NEED aircombat flight sims to grow and flourish - and we need as many as possible, not just one. If you think otherwise you are cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Shockwave is a tiny company in comparison to the big studios/publishers like EA or Ubisoft. No one is getting rich at Shockwave as a result of BoB2 and the overwhelming majority of the people involved are totally unpaid VOLUNTEERS, me included. We do it because we love the actual Battle of Britain history, the genre, the game, the community, etc.

I doubt one penny of sales have been "lost" for Ubisoft as a result of the existence of BoB2. On the contrary, to whatever extent the people involved in this genre can grow, the likelihood is that at some point they will buy Oleg's games. They certainly should as Oleg's games are excellent products IMO. I think virtually every single BoB2 owner will also buy SOW when it comes out. I know I certainly will and I'm sure the other beta testers and even the devs will.

Sorry this and other posts at times from me are long. I have the gift (curse?) of being able to type very fast, almost as fast as I can speak. That is why I was "volunteered" to write/compile the BoB2 manual updates.

OK, off my soapbox. Thanks all for your time here. Buh bye :-)

scottmal1
03-22-2007, 12:18 PM
Originally posted by SeaVee:
On my retail box or CD I see nothing about a documentary. It did include a nice 19"X14" printed map of the battle area. Is yours a European version?

I'd like to say a few things about the IL2 vs BoB2 debates which at times have been unnecessarily hostile - on both sides.

This should not be about which game is better or worse. They are both great games with different strengths and weaknesses. I think its nice and mature that the mods here have not stamped out this and other non IL2 threads.

Shockwave does not ban or forbid posts about Il2 or other games. In fact SW does not allow posts that gratuitously bash another game or the developers. I have seen such posts and threads sent to "The Abyss". SW's policy - correctly -is that it is not acceptable or right to use the SW forums to gratuitously bash another game or the company(ies) or people behind them.

There is even an active "IL2 compared to BoB2" thread running there which has had for the most part very reasoned debate and honest criticism of the pros and cons of each game. GOZR makes some excellent points about how great on-line play with IL2 can be at times, for example. There is also a Pilot's Lounge forum where anything aviation related is quite welcome, including stuff about Il2.

I think a great many BoB2 owners in fact do own the IL2 series. For those that don't I highly encourage Bob2 owners to go out and buy any of the IL2 games as they are quality products and it supports this genre.

Sadly, there are few enough quality air combat sims out there. Whether you like Il2 or BoB2 (or both), our preferred genre does not really have the attention of most game developers. This is a shame and we need all we can get.

Competition is also a good thing for anyone who likes this genre. What kind of cr@ppy video cards would exist today if not for the existence of BOTH NVIDIA and ATI? Same for CPUs - would be have powerful and reasonably priced dual core CPUs if not for Intel AND AMD?

There is a poll thread at SW right now about the age demographics of BoB2 players. Not surprisingly, only 1% are under 18 years old, and only 12% are between 19-30. IL2 may have a bit more of a younger component due to the MP aspect but I suspect alot of IL2 players are also a bit older. This does not bode well for the WWII air combat genre as it means not too many younger kids are interested in it.... That is bad in that the big game developers in the present and future are devoting most game development resources to things OTHER than WWII air combat games. We NEED aircombat flight sims to grow and flourish - and we need as many as possible, not just one. If you think otherwise you are cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Shockwave is a tiny company in comparison to the big studios/publishers like EA or Ubisoft. No one is getting rich at Shockwave as a result of BoB2 and the overwhelming majority of the people involved are totally unpaid VOLUNTEERS, me included. We do it because we love the actual Battle of Britain history, the genre, the game, the community, etc.

I doubt one penny of sales have been "lost" for Ubisoft as a result of the existence of BoB2. On the contrary, to whatever extent the people involved in this genre can grow, the likelihood is that at some point they will buy Oleg's games. They certainly should as Oleg's games are excellent products IMO. I think virtually every single BoB2 owner will also buy SOW when it comes out. I know I certainly will and I'm sure the other beta testers and even the devs will.

Sorry this and other posts at times from me are long. I have the gift (curse?) of being able to type very fast, almost as fast as I can speak. That is why I was "volunteered" to write/compile the BoB2 manual updates.

OK, off my soapbox. Thanks all for your time here. Buh bye :-)

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

trumper
03-22-2007, 12:20 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

A ever Seevee,the voice of reason http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Worf101
03-22-2007, 12:42 PM
All I know is that when I tried to get the game to run (unsuccessfully) the nice folks on the fourms there and HERE did everything but come to my house and fix it. You read their forums they bear us no ill will, why should we spit in their corn flakes?

Hey Ford vs. Chevy, AMD vs. Intel, ATI vs. Nvidia, CH vs. Cougar. To quote hat great western philosopher Da Rev. Rodney "Lootin' King.. "Can't we all just get along?"

Da Worfster

|ZUTI|
03-22-2007, 02:32 PM
I finally got it working. Don't know how exactely, but i was reinstalling it several times and when it all worked, i just left it as it was and patched http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Still find elevator to be too sensitive, but i'll live. And i even got all the setting for joystick axes, nice! One q, will spins be enhanced in 2.06? I know you guys are working on that, but i found mixed informations. Some say that 2.06 will have plane specific spins, some say that not yet. Cos i feel that spit's turning is too strong or too forgivnig. Well, that's just my opinuon, didn't really fly spit in rl http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

EDIT: just applied those files from 2.06... don't know really what to say but WOW. Even the elevator seems ok and boy do you feel the plane when landing. I enjoyed it just like IL2. Fine work! That is for spit. Still have to try emil...