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blackpulpit1970
02-28-2006, 06:21 AM
Hello all, when im not online i have been groun dpounding offline and i would like to know what is the best 190 to fly for this, i think the F8 is the mud mover, is this correct and if so can someone give me a few tips and suggestions for groundpounding. Also what is another good plane for this, the mossie? Thanks

jds1978
02-28-2006, 06:32 AM
Originally posted by blackpulpit1970:
Hello all, when im not online i have been groun dpounding offline and i would like to know what is the best 190 to fly for this, i think the F8 is the mud mover, is this correct and if so can someone give me a few tips and suggestions for groundpounding. Also what is another good plane for this, the mossie? Thanks

F8 is the Jabo FW, although the entire series can carry bombs. Try dive-bombing with it.

Other great CAS/Jabo planes include....Tempest, P38, P47, F4U, F6F, Sturmo (obviously), Mossie, SBD, Stuka.

Set gun convergence long (350m-500m) for straifing. Use rockets and other stand-off weapons against AAA sites. Bombs and rockets for armor. Napalm, cluster bombs for soft targets.

Make, at most, two passes on your target...anything else and you are just asking to get shot down by flak or enemy CAP http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

JG53Frankyboy
02-28-2006, 06:59 AM
the "best" Fw190 assault variant in game is the
Fw190A5/U17 1,65 ATA.
its fast and more nimble than the F8 and has 50rounds more in its 20mm canons.

blackpulpit1970
02-28-2006, 07:09 AM
So the a5 new is the jabo version correct, i didnt know that, what is the best loadout for tanks?

JG53Frankyboy
02-28-2006, 07:24 AM
well , sure, the "F" desigantions shows it is a "ground attack" version , a "Schl├┬Ąchter".

BUT the Fw190F were named in early 1943 , before that date the assault variants were the U3&17.
the Fw190A5/U17 was renamed Fw190F3.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
the boosted 1,65 ata version is just a boost http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif - this new variant is unfortunatly only a clone in its armament choice http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
also the A6.......
so, Fw190A5/U17 or Fw190A6/U17 (<- wich never existed !!) - same plane in performance in game !
Fw190A5/U17 1,65 ATA , more power than the first ones http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif .

for hunting tanks a single SC500 is the best choice. the AB500 are tricky to use and needs a lot of luck that one bomblet (armour piercing SD4HL ) is actually hitting a tank directly !

so, a Fw190A9 with a single SC500 is a deadly tankhunter http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
also the Fw190A9 with MK103 is not bad, but not easy to hit something small like a tank in game without crashing into the ground http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

"but" a Fw190A5 with an -/Ux armament or a Fw190F8 makes it more , lets say, "historical" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

TX-Zen
02-28-2006, 07:38 AM
I set my convergence to 1000, works very well for strafing.

AB500 is good against soft vehicles, but as mentioned difficult to hit with. I've never had much luck and trying to find the optimal attack approach is a pain. Might as well not use AB500 for tanks, even if they are in a tight group it will rarely do any damage. If any delay is set it seems to render the AB500 useless also.

My prefered loadout is 4xSC50 and 1xSC500 with 2 second delay when flying the F8, though really an A9 with SC500 is just as effective, plus you keep the outboard MG151/20's, which can be handy for strafing.

If you are brave enough, take a Ju87D5 with SC1800 and 4.5 second delay. The plane is extremly smooth for strafing (at least it used to be, haven't flown it in this patch) and the SC1800 packs a wallop. Really this is an offline recomendation, online you'll probably get chewed like cud and deposited in one of the allied fliers 7 stomachs. The handling is very nice on the D5 and it's one of my favorite's.

Lastly, my all time favorite ground pounder is the IL2-43M. While the bombs are useless and the rockets ok, the PTAB can do serious damage on a column and you've got the extremely cool NS37 cannons, plus plenty of ammo. In packs they can give fighters a fit because they are fairly agile and the cannons reasonably accurate, so they have some ability for team defense.

Hristo_
02-28-2006, 09:10 AM
Excuse the uneducated, but which bomb does what - SC, AB and SD ?

Not really a bomber type here, but I fancy to drop an egg over crowded airfield once in a while. Which bomb would do the job best ?

thanks

TX-Zen
02-28-2006, 09:40 AM
SC is general purpose, basically the standard kind of bomb that everyone uses.

SD is some form of armor piercing or bunker busting design and in game seems to have less fragmentation effect than the SC.

AB is a cluster bomb and must be dropped at 300m or higher before it will explode and release the bomblets. In real life it was an effective weapon and was designed for tanks. In game it's marginally effective against tanks...you might get one kill if a group of tanks are hit directly in the bomblet impact area (the PTAB is modelled so much better, but IIRC was very much smaller and less effective), but its very reasonable against light skinned tanks and soft targets like AA and trucks.

Jaws2002
02-28-2006, 10:06 AM
For the heaviest tanks use big bombs, but for any other tank use one of this:
Bf-110G2(with Bk3.7), Stuka-G, Il2(with 37mm)

The big guns are the best in blowing up tanks. If you have air cover you can blow up a lot more tanks with the big cannons.
I find the Bf-110G with a single Bk3.7 excellent since you don't need to worry much about convergence. Shoot the cannon only.

blackpulpit1970
02-28-2006, 11:11 AM
Thanks guys good advice. Appreciated.

idahosniper
02-28-2006, 11:46 AM
Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that the SD bombs were fragmentation bombs. Anyway, but does anyone know what kind of bombs the PC bombs are?

Vipez-
02-28-2006, 12:42 PM
SC = SPRENGBOMBE CYLINDRICH (thin cased general purpose)
SD = SPRENGBOMBE DICKWANDIG (thick cased semi-armour piercing).
PC = PANZERBOMBE CYLINDRICH (Armour piercing).
AB - cluster bombs (munition dispenser attached to the ventral bomb)

Unfortunalety, only the SC-bombs seems to behave in expected way in the game, so you probably get the best result allways using SC-bombs.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

faustnik
02-28-2006, 01:33 PM
Fw190A9s with the Mk108s are the best for flak supression missions.

For general jabo work the new Fw190A5@1.65ata http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif is the greatest.

VW-IceFire
02-28-2006, 03:26 PM
I'm a fan of the FW190F-8 for ground pounding work. From what I understand the F-8 is the fastest of the A models in straight line low altitude speed (except maybe the A-9?), its a bit tougher from what I can gather, and its an awesome delivery platform.

I have had great success with the AB500 and taking out tightly grouped tanks. The trick is in the delivery.

If the tanks are on a road, then what you need to do is this. Find the target, line up from a fair distance away and then dive in, fly along the road towards the tanks and when you are say about 500m away pull up...drop the bomb moments later and then pull away. What will happen is the bomb is going to follow your initial trajectory upwards then burst ...sending the AB500 bomblets also in the same direction. What you get is a concentrated cone along the roadway rather than a circle placed over the target area.

My record is 6 T-34 tanks and artillery units destroyed from one bomb burst.

Sometimes I miss and hit nothing...so its difficult to deploy and time right...but it can be downright devastating.

idahosniper
03-01-2006, 09:10 AM
I tried using the AB-500 against tank and truck columns and it really wasn't that effective. Sometimes I would get a tank or two but usually not. It's hard to time it right, and you have to release it at pretty low altitude because it doesn't go that far before it breaks open. Also the He-111 with 4xAB-500 does not work because you still have to release it at low altitude or you get a spread of bomblets over an area of like a mile. Low level bombing kind of defeats the purpose of a level bomber with a bombsight.

What seems to work a lot better than the AB-500 is just a regular SC-500, if you can hit close to the center of a column of tanks it will kill the entire column regardless of whether they are light tanks or heavy tanks. Another thing I noticed was that the FAB bombs seem to have a lot larger blast radius than the SC bombs of equal weight. Has anyone else noticed this?

JG53Frankyboy
03-01-2006, 09:17 AM
the default time of the ABs is 3 sec till they open and release their bomblets.
if you now add delay time this time will be aded to the default open time..........

so, if you have a delay of 2 seconds, the AB will open after 5 seconds.

Hawkbug
05-22-2007, 10:08 AM
Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
the default time of the ABs is 3 sec till they open and release their bomblets.
if you now add delay time this time will be aded to the default open time..........

so, if you have a delay of 2 seconds, the AB will open after 5 seconds.

Has anyone developed a table of AB bomblet release for various altitudes, air speed and delay times?

Viper2005_
05-22-2007, 10:15 AM
A9 is the best 190 for ground pounding by miles. It's considerably faster than all the others, and once the bombs are gone it's got the full performance of the clean aircraft.