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BH-21
08-16-2006, 10:58 AM
The focus in this mission pack is the Guadalcanal area, with missions for the US Navy, Imperial Japanese Navy and US Marine Corps. Some missions in other areas are also included. Fly the A6M2-N or A6M2-21 or D3A1 for the IJN. For the USMC fly the F4F-4. For the US Navy fly the F4F-4,SBD-3. For the US Army fly the A-24, P-38L, P-39, P-400. For the RAAF fly the Kittyhawk Mk1. There are twenty one new missions in this pack. This pack also includes all previous missions with some updates and reskins. With all the previous mission packs, this one brings the total number of missions to one hundred and three. Skins are included. I have also included reworked version of skins for the B-25C, A-24 and TBF-1C.

For the complete experience requires Mission packs 01 + 02 + 03 + 04 to be installed properly.

Happy flying! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

joeap
08-16-2006, 03:12 PM
Yea! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

GerritJ9
08-16-2006, 04:17 PM
Downloaded, with thanks!!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif

Vacillator
08-17-2006, 02:05 AM
Great stuff BH-21, your output is impressive http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Thanks once again!

BH-21
08-27-2006, 07:25 AM
Now available on Mission4Today.

Thanks fellas. I'm glad you like it. I'm a bit curious though. Which missions you have played so far, and whats your favorites?

joeap
08-27-2006, 08:50 AM
Haven't been able to play for over a week, plus flying legends has been down and the pack was not available on mission4today until today. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif I will let you know.

wayno7777
08-27-2006, 11:39 PM
Got it from missions4today. Thx BH....

Nimits
09-28-2006, 10:14 PM
More good work, thanks. Yours are the best (and almost the only) single missions I play.

A quick question in reference to the Bay of Bengal mission; was the Ryujo actually carrying D3As during that raid, or did you just substitue a player D3A for the B5Ns for gameplay purposes?

Also, still waiting for that Force Z mission . . . http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BH-21
09-29-2006, 06:47 AM
Thank you Nimitz. The Bay of Bengal mission is fictious, but supposed to give you an idea of what was going on.

According to my scource, the light carrier Ryujo carried Zeros, Vals and Kates until after the end of the Java operations. Since the Ryujo didn't go back to Japan after that I just used the same complement referred to me in "The Chase" when I researched that one. By mid 1942 the Ryujo and other light carriers defintely carried only Zeros and Kates. In the book I used for "The Chase" it specifically states divebombers and then torpedo bombers doing level bombing attacks on the Pope. I even found a picture of a Ryujo Val. So my conclusion was that it had them, even though I did have conflicting info on it. Which happens alot, as you well know, when researching.

Nimits
09-29-2006, 09:39 PM
Which source(s) was it that listed D3As (and A6Ms) in the Ryujo Airgroup up till the Java operation? I am very curious, because everything I have lists either a mix of A5Ms and B5Ns or just B5Ns (and I am always looking for more historical excuses to add more anti-shipping carrier ops).

BH-21
09-30-2006, 07:31 AM
The book I'm using is "History of the United States Naval Operations in World War II" by Morison. Published by Castle Books. It wasn't specific on exact aircraft numbers, like in later periods, but it mentions at least 6 Vals, 6 Kates, and A6M2-11s in the Java area operations. A5Ms as far as I can determine were shifted to land based areas, then relegated as hacks as supplies of A6M2-11s increased. Carrier groups of course got higher priority supply of aircraft then land squadrons.

Later periods it is specific with 16 Zeros, and 21 Kates.

Anyways, I think it would be safe to deduce that the Ryujo had A5Ms at the very start of the war, which would of been replaced fairly quickly and by Janurary had A6Ms instead. If you have more info I would like to look at it too. One has to really read it for themselves and then make their own informed guess unfortunately. If there ever is a definative history made on anything it sure would be nice.

Nimits
09-30-2006, 11:50 PM
Okay, that would make sense. Most of my sources mention the Ryujo in relation to the Philippines and Malaya campaigns in December 1941 and January 1942, so it is quite probable the airgroup got changed up.

I do wonder, though, that this site http://www.navweaps.com/index_oob/OOB_WWII_Pacific/OOB_WWII_Indian_Ocean.htm lists only B5Ns on the Ryujo for the Indian Ocean raid. The site is uses sources such as Lundstrom and Nihon Kaigun (website run in part by Anthony Tully, co-author of Shattered Sword), and I have found it accurate in other battles.

Furthermore, a load of B5Ns only would make sense, doctrinally. Unlike American light carriers, the IJN tended to use their CVLs in an auxillary, rather than fleet, role, supporting surface forces. B5Ns, despite their larger size, were the bomber of choice for CVLs, as the IJN considered them "multi-role" aircraft (scouts, horizontal bombers, as well as torpedo bombers), while the D3As were used, aside from ASW patrol, exclusively as dive bombers. The Ryujo tagged along with the crusiers as much as to scout out targets for them as to strike anything on its own, and since the IJN were not expecting significant air opposition in the Bay of Bengal (and Kido Butai was operating in the same theater), fighters might not have been considered necessary.

Please do not misunderstand me; I am not arguing your assumptions or mission are necessarily wrong, just trying to compare notes and show you my reasoning to determine the Ryujo's exact airgroup during the Bay of Bengal operation (and whether there is an excuse for a D3A mini-campaign there).

BH-21
10-01-2006, 06:40 AM
I understand, and its good to have an actual discussion, instead of a flame war on a forum. If that OOB is right, the Ryujo isn't even using all of its storage space. I guess we will have to check the sources he sites there, discounting the website of course.

Nimits
10-01-2006, 11:18 AM
Don't discount the Nihon Kaigun website. It's run by Jonathan Parshall (coauthor of Shattered Sword, arguably the best book on Midway in print today!) and one of its chief contributors is the other coauthor Anthony Tully, (who has also published article in various military and military history journals), and both have worked with John Lundstrom, author of the First Team series. www.combinedfleet.com (http://www.combinedfleet.com) is as accurate and thorough a source for IJN histroy as anything you would find in print. If you have not taken a serious look at it yet, you most definately should stroll over there and look around.

I went ahead and e-mailed Parhsall to ask him the question. Don't know if I'll get an answer, but what the hey . . .

BTW, still waiting for that Force Z mission . . . http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BH-21
10-03-2006, 07:43 AM
I have used that site before, but when researching I prefer not to rely on a website to much, but sometimes its unavoidable.

Nimitz, did you have a favorite mission out of Mission Pack 05? If so which one is it.

Tater-SW-
10-03-2006, 08:22 AM
Combined fleet website is pretty definitive---it's the exception to the rule, lol.

Bloody Shambles mentions the Ryujo a number of times, and A5Ms were the fighter aircraft (early 42) embarked on her. I'll have to recheck if he mentions bombers or not.

tater

Nimits
10-03-2006, 06:14 PM
Nimitz, did you have a favorite mission out of Mission Pack 05? If so which one is it.

To be honest, I have only had time to play a few of the missions, but as I generally prefer anti-shipping missions, I will have to say that the "Yank Bait" is my favorite so far. Not that I am a particularly good diver bomber pilot it seems. I missed about 20 yard of the starboard bow (part of the problem is I rolled into my dive late, as I had taken my eyes of the section ahead of me and missed when they rolled into their dives). Enough dive bombers missed that, even though the TBFs scored 3 or 4 hits, the "Ryujo" was still afloat (if barely) and underway. My SBD was so badly damaged I ended up having to ditch (or would have if I had not exited the mission at that point as real life constraints intruded into the sim world.)

My other favorite missions (from previous packs) are "The Chase" and "Sink the Marus." I keep meaning to play the "The Last Ride of the Banshee" (as the USAAF use of A-24s in the SW Pacific has always been one of those things which has intrigued me) but that is a long way for an SBD to fly just to get shot down . . . Got to find a time to knuckle down and do it.

BH-21
10-03-2006, 07:08 PM
Hehe, I hear you. You should try play testing those long ones. The Yank bait one is set up so that the SBD's alone wont kill the Ryujo as in real life. But unlike real life, the US force didn't take any casualties, at least until they tried to land in the dark or near dark.

Nimits
10-03-2006, 11:09 PM
BTW, Parshall e-mailed me back that he did not know, but he has a friend writing a book on the Indian Ocean Operation and would e-mail him and ask him. So we'll see.

Nimits
10-11-2006, 08:47 PM
Got an answer from Parshall (actually forwarded from the fellow writing a book on the Indian Ocean operation.


It€s funny that you should ask this question, as it pinpoints issues that I have found troubling myself.

According to a Japanese document I have, the 17.4.1 authorized strength of Ryujo€s airgroup was 12 Kanko and 21 Kansen. I would suppose that figure might possibly incorporate the obligatory spares, but I have no idea what the spares situation was on aboard Ryujo. When she was attached to the 1AF in Nov40, she shipped 18 VT and 16 VF-A5Ms (IJN Aces book, p.31). In late 1941, she had 14 VF pilots in their group picture (IJN Aces book, p.33).

However, these figures are a bit vague. In addition, Ryujo€s kodochsohos are not necessarily helpful in resolving the issue of how many aircraft she was actually carrying or operating. Generally speaking, Ryujo€s airgroup tended to fly in bits and pieces. To my memory, there were no enormous strikes which encompassed the entire group. This renders any correlation between the group€s available aircrews and available aircraft problematic

Fighters:

Unfortunately, the fighter kodochoshos for Indian Ocean do NOT include pilot names for some reason known only to the Almighty. Hence, it is very difficult to use them to say, €œWell, the group composition was such and such€.

Attack Planes:

I did some analysis of the Indian Ocean kodos. The crews mentioned during the entire operation totalled 16 pilots, 14 radioman, but only 12 observers€¦ Strange.

CONCLUSION: Muddled.

I would go with the 12VT/21VF figure mentioned in the Japanese document and take out 3 spare Claudes, for an operational strength of 12VT/18VF

BH-21
10-12-2006, 06:53 AM
So in other words, hes doing informed guessing like what I was doing.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

My stuff
Milne Bay Campaign
Historical Pacific Single Mission Pack 01
Historical Pacific Single Mission Pack 02
Historical Pacific Single Mission Pack 03
Historical Pacific Single Mission Pack 04
Historical Pacific Single Mission Pack 05
Saipan Thunderbolts Campaign

here at: http://www.flying-legends.net/ and http://mission4today.com/

Nimits
10-12-2006, 10:50 AM
Pretty much . . .

claypidgon
01-21-2007, 10:22 AM
I cant find the mission packs at M4Today and legands seems to be down..

partic_3
01-21-2007, 10:16 PM
I searched mission4today for "Historical Pacific Single Mission Pack" and done found it! Yay!
Couldn't find it before I had the above good idea. Now I feel all smartly!
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