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bweiss
09-29-2006, 04:57 AM
The trailer clip though short, seems to show a lot of attention to authenticity of equipment, etc.

Official Site

Flags of our Fathers (http://www.flagsofourfathers.com/)

The_Silent_O
09-29-2006, 06:00 AM
I hear good things about this movie. It will also be a good character study of the people involved.

Clint Eastwood is also producing a movie with the Japanese view of the battle based on diaries of Japanese soldiers. It suppose to come out in two years.

Backdraft57
09-29-2006, 06:14 AM
Read the book if you have not. Very moving. Bradley also wrote a book called Flyboys that was very good. If you didn't know the author of the book is the son of one of the flag raisers.

The_Silent_O
09-29-2006, 06:18 AM
I read Flyboys...Makes you wonder sometimes...???

I should grab "Flags of our Fathers" and read that one also.

bweiss
09-29-2006, 06:46 AM
The_Silent_O said;
Clint Eastwood is also producing a movie with the Japanese view of the battle based on diaries of Japanese soldiers. It suppose to come out in two years.

I lifted a quote from Variety.Com (http://www.variety.com/index.asp?layout=print_story&articleid=VR1117949444&categoryid=19)
"It's the first time an American director has shown Japan defending its homeland without being the aggressor," one Warners suit says.

The news section on the Letters From Iwo Jima (http://flagsofourfathers.net/category/letters-from-iwo-jima/) Fan Site says it opens December 9, 2006 in Japan, and will compete with Flags of our Fathers.

Now that's a new concept!

There's a trailer, but the Fan Site put it in .asx format and for whatever reason it won't stream on my system, had to d/l it. But it's worth watching IMO.

Letters Trailer (http://raincloud.warnerbros.com/wbol/jp/iwojima-movies/trailer/iwojima_trailer1000k.asx)

Well I had to tell Windows Media Player to allow d/l from the Internet (Doh!), now it streams for me on the above link.

Celeon999
09-29-2006, 08:59 AM
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Goose_Green
09-29-2006, 09:25 AM
Make my day punk! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Kaleun1961
09-29-2006, 11:35 AM
I'm on a computer at school and can't get the trailer to open. What's this movie about? I'm guessing from what I've read in this thread that it's something to do with Iwo Jima?

VikingGrandad
09-29-2006, 12:21 PM
Yep it's the story of the flag-raisers at the Battle of Iwo Jima - more info at the 'Flags of Our Fathers' unofficial website (http://www.flagsofourfathers.net/). It's directed by Clint Eastwood.

There are actually two films - "Flags of Our Fathers" and a Japanese language-only 'companion film' called "Red Sun, Black Sand" (which in Japan will be called "Letters from Iwo Jima" - confusing!). Both films are produced by Spielberg and directed by Clint Eastwood.

Most of the battle scenes were filmed in Iceland, because the Japanese authorities wouldn't let them use Iwo Jima (Iceland has similar black volcanic sand). Take a look at some behind the scenes photos (http://flagsofourfathers.net/gallery/behind-the-scenes?page=1) (battle scenes in Iceland are on pages 5-9 of the gallery)

View the trailer for 'Letters from Iwo Jima' here (http://flagsofourfathers.net/letters-from-iwo-jima-trailer)

And there is also going to be a subsequent TV mini-series, called 'The Pacific War' (http://www.the-pacific-war.com/) (it's kinda like 'Band of Brothers' was to 'Saving Private Ryan').

Kaleun1961
09-29-2006, 12:23 PM
I've checked the official site on two different computers and can't get the trailer to play. I'll give the unofficial site a try. Thanks for the links.

VikingGrandad
09-29-2006, 12:35 PM
The official site uses Flash video, so maybe your school PC doesn't have the latest Flash plug-in installed.

Kaleun1961
09-29-2006, 12:35 PM
Finally got to see the trailer on the unofficial site. One of the actors starred in "Windtalkers" as one of the Indian radio codesmen, alongside Nicolas Cage. Looks like it could be a good film. I'll go see it.

This reminds me of something Clint Eastwood was reported to have said a few years ago. Reciting from memory so I have to be a bit vague of necessity. He said something along the lines that their's was the greatest generation of Americans and he wondered if WW2 had to be fought today would this generation of Americans be up to the job. Hard to say; there seems to be no lack of courage being displayed in Iraq. But today's generation is so cynical and short attention spanned that I wonder if it could endure such a crusade. Good to see him paying tribute to those heroes of yesteryear.

Stingray-65
09-29-2006, 02:23 PM
Thanks for the heads-up! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif I'm a big Clint Eastwood fan and love his work (acting and directing).

Goose_Green
09-29-2006, 03:41 PM
I wonder who the technical advisor is?

Maybe Dale Dye? Who gave tech advice and even featured in Band of Brothers as Col. Sink, he was also tech advisor in Saving Private Ryan too.

VikingGrandad
09-29-2006, 04:42 PM
Originally posted by Goose_Green:
I wonder who the technical advisor is?

According to imdb.com, it's James D. Dever (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0222334/), whose first technical advisor role in a film appears to be with Clint in 'Heartbreak Ridge', 20 years ago.

bweiss
09-29-2006, 04:44 PM
The problems with the video streaming could be related to a couple of things.

1. Settings in your IE browser Security section. Make sure your Java Applet setting allows Java applets.

2. Settings for your IE Media Player. Make sure the media player settings allow for d/l's directly from the internet.

3. Make sure you have the latest Macromedia Flash Player installed. (Now, there is a glitch here). Sometimes for example, on my PC the system somehow becomes uncertain that the latest Flash is there. I go to d/l it, and it says Installation succeeded. But it ain't. So to fix that I have to go and uninstall Flash, then reinstall it and then all is fine. This is not a fault of Flash, or your PC. Turns out it is a Java applet problem where such applets are used to verify the latest Flash version in use.
Go figure.

bweiss
10-04-2006, 04:47 AM
Clint Eastwood Discusses New Film About Iwo Jima In Exclusive Interview With CBS Bill Whitaker

Clint Eastwood CBS Interview (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/03/eveningnews/main2059338.shtml)

CBS News Video Interview with WWII veteran who recounts his experience on Iwo Jima.

John Huffhines, 5th MARDIV, USMC-Retired (http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=2059645n)

Celeon999
12-14-2006, 05:57 AM
Originally posted by Goose_Green:
I wonder who the technical advisor is?

Maybe Dale Dye? Who gave tech advice and even featured in Band of Brothers as Col. Sink, he was also tech advisor in Saving Private Ryan too.

I just hope they got rid of the historical adviser of those both works. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

The only realistic thing on Saving Private Ryan was the gore.

It was full of historical errors. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Band of Brothers was far better and had much less errors but still some very strange misunderstandings managed to get into the movie.

To mix Hitler┬┤s platin plated elevator up with an "gold plated elevator" is an example for one of the unimportant small errors that can happen and are of no real importance to the movie as a whole.

But to declare one of the characters to have been KIA although he survived the war is a bit hard to understand. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Remember Albert Blithe from episode three ?
The guy who suffered from hysterical blindness first ,later panicked in his foxhole ,killed a german para-trooper with a single awesomely aimed shot and in the end got shot into his neck by a sniper ?

In the end of the episode it is stated that Albert Blithe never really recovered from this injury and died in 1948.

In reality he did recover , married, had two children, worked for Westinghouse Electric, served in the Korean war became a Master Sergeant and died in 1967. He was buried in the Arlington National Cemetary. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

How can such a huge mistake like this happen in a production that put so much effort in historical research ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Band of Brothers also claims that the Easy Company was the first unit to enter Berchtesgarden which was taken without any casulaties.

Both claims are not true.

The 3rd Infantry Division were the first unit which entered Berchtesgarden one day before the Easy Company and had several small firefights during that which costed them a few men.

These are just a few examples from Band of Brothers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I heard that Eastwood was very pedantic about every little detail to make the movie the most realistic anti-war movie ever made.

This also involves even greater gore and brutality than Saving Private Ryan. Everything based on the statements of eyewitnessing soldiers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

And this time Americans AND Japanese veterans to prove their authenticity and filter the over-patriotized myths out http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif


Has anyone already seen the movie ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Grell3
12-14-2006, 07:28 AM
It sounds like it's going to be a great movie, I will watch it for certain.

Regards,

Grell

Kaleun1961
12-14-2006, 08:47 AM
Celeon, thanks for those points about Band of Brothers. I own the series on DVD and think it's great, but was unaware of any criticisms of it. Glad to hear that Blithe survived his injuries.

I am particularly intrigued by your comments regarding Saving Private Ryan. It being a fictional movie, or a story placed inside a historical event, I am curious to know what you perceive to be inaccuracies. I've always been under the impression that the attention to details made this film stand out above so many others, once you put aside the ridiculous premise of a group of guys risking their necks to save one fellow. To me, the vehicles, uniforms and weapons seemed true. Please share with us your criticisms of Saving Private Ryan.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Celeon999
12-14-2006, 10:01 AM
Originally posted by Kaleun1961:
Celeon, thanks for those points about Band of Brothers. I own the series on DVD and think it's great, but was unaware of any criticisms of it. Glad to hear that Blithe survived his injuries.

I am particularly intrigued by your comments regarding Saving Private Ryan. It being a fictional movie, or a story placed inside a historical event, I am curious to know what you perceive to be inaccuracies. I've always been under the impression that the attention to details made this film stand out above so many others, once you put aside the ridiculous premise of a group of guys risking their necks to save one fellow. To me, the vehicles, uniforms and weapons seemed true. Please share with us your criticisms of Saving Private Ryan.


Maybe my statement of the movie being "full" of errors was a bit too harsh but there are some things that just dont fit.

Ive read that this was done to sake of drama and action.

One of my main problems is the battle in the end of the movie. Remember how many people they lost against a vast superior waffen-ss unit while trying to defend that bridge ?

Pure nonsense. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

No commanding officer would start a fight with an superior armored unit. Thats pure suicide. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

The only thing you can do is pull back and blow up that bridge up so that the tanks cant go past and report the situation and call reinforcements.

Tom Hanks killed his men , not the germans. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

The whole battle makes no sense. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

Another point is the Tiger tank. The waffen-ss had no Tiger tanks in Normandy that early after the landing. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

The soldiers belong to the division "Das Reich" which were not in Normandy at all at that time. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

They mixed that "thunder-flash" thing up http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

It was flash......and the answer had to be thunder and not the other way around. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Logical isnt it ? I dont know why they turned that around http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Why do all german soldiers have shaved heads ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

That was definitly no allowed form of haircut http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif and headcrabs were definitly no problems for the soldier who had the great luck to be stationed in France.

These lucky guys had to worry about different things like :

Which wine shall i choose ?
Which tobacco tastes better ?
Shall we go into a restaurant or a night club ?
A shower , the bath tub or maybe the lake is the best option during summertime ?

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VikingGrandad
12-14-2006, 11:28 AM
Originally posted by Celeon999:
Why do all german soldiers have shaved heads ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif


I was playing COD2 last night and noticed a couple of similar issues: why are all the German soldiers' voices high-pitched (compared to the Allies')? And why are some of the German soldiers shown to be overweight, but none of the Allied soldiers are!?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Kaleun1961
12-14-2006, 11:35 AM
Yeah, really! I mean, how many fat German soldiers were there by 1944-45, what with all the supply shortages plaguing the Wehrmacht? Celeon, thanks for those points. I'll have to look for them next time I watch the movie.

As for the scenario depicted being implausible, I'm not too worried about that one. That sort of thing was replayed numerous times in the Ardennes when the Germans launched Watch on the Rhine, known in the West as Battle of the Bulge. Many small scale actions, as small detachments tried to delay the Germans' armoured advance. I don't think it is too unrealistic to depict a small group holing up in a village setting, where armour would typically be at a disadvantage from enemy infantry.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Celeon999
12-14-2006, 12:00 PM
Well at least WHAT they are saying seems to make sense http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Lots of good insults among that stuff http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif "Friss Scheisse Ami !" "Verreck du Schwein!" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

And ,as far as i remember, the first Medal of Honor part had similar good german in it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

"Du arroganter Ami !" "Drecksau!"

I remember the wonderful german they used for the Indiana Jones movies. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

I remember some of the german soldiers shouting "Das ist ein Řberfall!" while pointing their MP-40┬┤s at Indy and his father.

Somehow i doubt that "This is a robbery!" is the right thing to say in that situation. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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VikingGrandad
12-14-2006, 02:56 PM
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Yes the British insults in COD2 are good too, the best of which I can't repeat here, but was pleasantly surprised to hear in the game the first time I played it - adds a little more authenticity!

Getting back on-topic, "Flags of our Fathers" is not released here in the UK until December 22nd. Here's the release dates for different countries. (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0418689/releaseinfo)<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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VikingGrandad
12-14-2006, 03:27 PM
A few other historical errors for "Saving Private Ryan" I found on imdb.com:

- When they are on the beach you see more than four tanks but on 6 June 1944, only two tanks out of 29 made land.

- After the horrific D-Day scene, when Captain Miller gets his mission some days later, a panorama of the seascape shows no ships in view. The area ought to have been teeming with ships bringing more units to the front, supplying those already present, and protecting the supply line.

- At the radar site Capt. Miller asks if the Air Force wants to waste munitions on one machine gun nest, when in fact its the Army Air Corp. The Air Force did not come into existence until 1947, some three years later.

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Celeon999
12-15-2006, 04:39 AM
I saw the movie yesterday ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

On a......ehhmmm... safety ...copy.....*cough* ....anyway... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

WARNING CONTAINS SPOILERS ! :

It is a very good movie http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

But its definitly not comparable to B of Bo or SPR.

Its a whole different kind of movie.

It mainly focuses on the so called "flag raisers" you know from the famous Iwo Jima photos and the memorial that was build for the "heros".

It shows the real story.

A story about a staged photo, heros that never did anything heroic, flag raisers that had nothing to do with that flag.

And soldiers who get formed to heros by the propaganda in order to go on tour through the USA to shake hands , play the hero, and convince people to buy war bonds.

They cant take the pressure, the lies and the way their own government uses them for political and financial interests just to throw them away as soon as the war ended.

One of the "flag raiser heros" was an native american. The marine corps misuses him for propaganda. "Look here ! Even an indian can become a hero ! Thats only possible in the US of A!"

He is the one who suffers most.

First they enjoy all the hand shaking with famous persons, industry bosses and government officials who offer them jobs. But soon they realize that everything is nothing but a big farce. Its all about earning money for the war.

They as human beings, were of no interest to the military or the government, they were just useful.


There is no timeline. The scenes constantly switch from post war to Iwo Jima and back all the time.


The battle scenes are very impressing , lots of CGI to show the entire size of the invasion fleet and there is lots of gore and blood.

A bit more than SPR. Nothing for weak stomachs.
A soldier sees how the head of his friend gets blown away by a mortar and flies past him.

The landing tanks have to drive over the dead bodies of marines. People get stabbed by bayonetts ,beaten to death with rifles, set on fire by flamethrowers.....

All that in sharp contrast with the redicoulous circus show at the home front. Smiling into cameras , telling a staged story.

The same procedure over and over again. The words "And here ladies and gentlemen ....THE HEROES OF IWO JIMA!" come through the loudspeaker and dozen times in the movie. While they think "They call us heroes ? I did nothing but raising a damn pole"

"What we really did there were horrible and cruel things which nobody of them can't even imagine, things that god will never forgive us"

As the war ended nobody had interest into heros anymore.

All the promises turned out to be nothing but hot air.

The boss who offered a big juicy job to one of them is always in important meetings and promises to call back. He never did.

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The_Silent_O
12-22-2006, 10:24 AM
Viking Grandad...It would not be incorrect to call them the "Air Force" at that time. After 1943 they officially went from the "Army Air Corps" to the "Army Air Force" but most just shortened it to the "Air Force". It became a seperate service in 1948.

As for "Saving Private Ryan" besides all the tactical mistakes they make at the small unit level, there is one huge technical mistake at the climax of the movie.

...and that is...P-51s were not regulated to ground attack missions. They were the air superiority fighter of the Air Force. So to show a P-51 taking out a Tiger Tank in Normandy is inaccurate.

...And what would a P-51 take a Tiger tank out with anyway???, they didn't have bomb racks and it was much too soon in the war for US aircraft to have the 5 inch (127 mm) High Velocity Aerial Rockets (HVARs) mounted. (which, by the way were only mounted on the P-47, the designated ground attack aircraft)...

I do believe the British were using AT Rockets during the Normandy Operation on their Hawker Typhoons with some success against the Heavy Tanks.