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theFCIProject
08-11-2007, 04:51 AM
'Throttle' for IL2 has been written to provide a way of using your CH Products Throttle Quadrant with IL2. Throttle allows the six levers to control the engine throttles, propeller pitch and fuel mixtures. This means pilots of multi-engine aircraft can control their aircraft just like the real-world pilots did.

Check out http://www.ge-tec.co.uk/ge-tec_018.htm for more details. A Beta version of the software is now available.

Gary Edwards
The FCIProject
www.ge-tec.co.uk (http://www.ge-tec.co.uk)

leitmotiv
08-11-2007, 05:19 AM
GREAT!

Taylortony
08-11-2007, 06:56 AM
A COOL BUMP

p-11.cAce
08-11-2007, 07:02 AM
Stop it Gary! First you get me looking at simkit gauges and now I'm going to have to buy a new throttle quad for my pit http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif Love it and thanks for all your work! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

Choctaw111
08-11-2007, 09:45 AM
Now I have to go out and buy a Throttle Quadrant also.

AKA_TAGERT
08-11-2007, 09:51 AM
Interesting..

I have the Quad pro and would love it if I could do seperate throttles!

Anyone tried it?

This would be hot for the P38!

I was looking at the video..

It shows the TEXT window selecting the different engines..

but..

How well does it keep sync between the two?

Is there a video showing the RPM guages?

That would give one a good idea of how well they stay in sync..

One other question..

NOTE

the Java applet uses DeviceLink to send the throttle settings..

Thus this begs the question..

Will this thing work when online?

In that some of the DeviceLink stuff does not work online!

Crash_Moses
08-11-2007, 10:33 AM
Hmmm...might be able to get UDPspeed to display separate RPM gauges for the engine...must run experiments. This is too cool.

But as Tagert mentioned, only available offline...bummer.

xTHRUDx
08-11-2007, 10:40 AM
being an online only pilot, it would be a deal breaker for me if it didn't work online.

theFCIProject
08-11-2007, 11:25 AM
Throttle works online http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The power controls are not disabled, like the instruments are.

Thanks for the feedback

Gary

crucislancer
08-11-2007, 12:33 PM
That's awesome! I've been thinking about picking up the Throttle Quadrant, and this will cinch it for me. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Crash_Moses
08-11-2007, 02:06 PM
Originally posted by theFCIProject:
Throttle works online http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The power controls are not disabled, like the instruments are.

Thanks for the feedback

Gary

Outstanding!

ddpairborne59
08-11-2007, 02:17 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gifExcellent, nice to see this strong interest in this area. Some great, great work and ideas around the forum lately.

theFCIProject
08-11-2007, 04:15 PM
AKA_TAGAERT

I will try and answer some of your specific questions.

Throttle works nicely with the P-38 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I have tried it.

The engine selection stays in sync 99% of the time.

I will do a video of the RPM gauges working.

Throttle is not an Applet. It is a Java application made into a .exe and happily runs on the same PC as IL2.

Throttle works while online http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

I hope this answers your questions.

Gary

M_Gunz
08-11-2007, 04:19 PM
Originally posted by Crash_Moses:
Hmmm...might be able to get UDPspeed to display separate RPM gauges for the engine...must run experiments. This is too cool.

But as Tagert mentioned, only available offline...bummer.

There's still the engine guages in the cockpit itself.

AKA_TAGERT
08-11-2007, 04:21 PM
Originally posted by theFCIProject:
AKA_TAGAERT

I will try and answer some of your specific questions.

Throttle works nicely with the P-38 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I have tried it.

The engine selection stays in sync 99% of the time.

I will do a video of the RPM gauges working.

Throttle is not an Applet. It is a Java application made into a .exe and happily runs on the same PC as IL2.

Throttle works while online http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

I hope this answers your questions.

Gary
NICE!

So.. since your using DeviceLink..

Which is a great idea by the way!

In that awhile back there was some people tried to implement duel throttles using the CH software..

Where they forced the sliders to generate characters..

But this got out of sync very quickly!

But with DeviceLink..

You can actually read back the value you set to see that it got set to that value!

Very Cool!

This is great news!

I'm In!

How much is it?

theFCIProject
08-11-2007, 04:40 PM
Hi AKA_TAGERT misspelled your name last time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif )

A license is $50. I know this sounds a bit steep, but I have to cover the cost of the Java USB library I am using.

Licenses are paid for by using my PayPal account. If you are interested could you PM with your e-mail address, please?

Cheers

Gary

AKA_TAGERT
08-11-2007, 04:49 PM
Originally posted by theFCIProject:
Hi AKA_TAGERT misspelled your name last time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif )

A license is $50. I know this sounds a bit steep, but I have to cover the cost of the Java USB library I am using.

Licenses are paid for by using my PayPal account. If you are interested could you PM with your e-mail address, please?

Cheers

Gary $50 is a deal in my honest opinion!!

Thank you so much for making this program..

Iam going to go dig up my PayPall account info so I can get this thing!

S!!!

theFCIProject
08-11-2007, 06:21 PM
I have made a very rough and ready video showing the throttle levers being used in the P-38.

This shows how maneuverable the aircraft is by using separate engine controls.

It also shows the levers keep in 'sync' with the virtual levers.

Flying is challenging with separate controls and needs a bit of practice http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

http://www.ge-tec.co.uk/download/video/P-38.asf

I will try and do a better video using the Mosquito. This had two RPM gauges, one each per engine.

theFCIProject
08-11-2007, 07:39 PM
Two more videos of Throttle working.

They show the levers being used in a Mosquito and shows the separate engine gauges moving, while the power is applied.

http://www.ge-tec.co.uk/download/video/Mosquito1.asf
http://www.ge-tec.co.uk/download/video/Mosquito2.asf

I hope you enjoy the videos

Gary

AKA_TAGERT
08-11-2007, 07:46 PM
Just sent the money via Pay Pal!

As for videos.. you should get that FRAPs program.. or check in the moive making section of this sight.. There are ways to make better movies.. more detail that is.. I have never done it but alot of them sware by FRAPS.

The P38 vid was cool.. sep throttles will make taxi easier!

Would like to see you apply both LEFT and RIGHT from 0 to 100% to see that both go to 100%.. In that will show that they stay in sync!

theFCIProject
08-11-2007, 08:08 PM
AKA_TAGERT

I have just sent you an e-mail regarding the license payment. Thanks for buying Throttle!

I have got Fraps, but it produces large videos. I don't have a lot of disk space on my website for such large videos.

I am making the videos using a $60 DV camera and the format it produces video in is very compact.

Separate throttles makes taxiing fun http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I will do another video of me taking off in the Mosquito. This will show how the throttles can be applied, evenly, during take off.

I hope you enjoy using Throttle. I will send another e-mail with a little tutorial on how to start the engines and settle them down, before taxing and takeoff.

~S~

Gary

theFCIProject
08-11-2007, 08:37 PM
Takeoff!

Here is a video of a Mosquito taking off using two levers setup as the engine throttles;

http://www.ge-tec.co.uk/download/video/Takeoff.asf

And here is the IL2 Track file;

http://www.ge-tec.co.uk/download/video/A-Takeoff.ntrk

Please note how smooth the throttles are and the switching between each engine.

~S~

Gary

AKA_TAGERT
08-12-2007, 12:50 AM
Cool!

I see that at the end.. one had 99% and the other had 100%

But that is way better than what we got with the CH program stuff alone!

As with all new controllers.. I will have to un-learn my old setup and learn the new one.. So I will hold off on my feedback until I give it sometime.. But from your video/tracks it looks like it is going to be great!

Now I only wish we had a flyable B17! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

theFCIProject
08-12-2007, 03:28 AM
I possibly didn't push the lever all the way forward. But the potentiometers, in the quadrant, are not the most accurate either.

The best advice I can give is to apply the throttles smoothly, which I am pretty sure was done in real life.

A B17 would be really cool to fly http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif Or the Lancaster http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

BaldieJr
08-12-2007, 03:32 AM
rewrite in autohotkey and get rid of the usb java $$

theFCIProject
08-12-2007, 03:43 AM
That's harsh.

You re-write using autohotkey, whatever that is.

To stay legitimate a USB Java license has to be purchased. I am not making a profit from Throttle.

I am trying to provide something the community may want.

Please keep your harsh comments to yourself.

J_A_M_F_
08-12-2007, 11:24 AM
Will this work with any USB controller?

..because there's this thing:
http://www.leobodnar.com/products/BU0836A/

...and a secondhand Suncom SFS split throttle.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

theFCIProject
08-12-2007, 12:14 PM
Throttle is designed to work with the CH Products Quadrant only.

I have used Leo's Precision Joystick Controller to convert my Thrustmaster FLCS over to USB. Great piece of kit.

If you know where to get a couple of Suncom SFS then I could take a look at writing an interface for it

BaldieJr
08-12-2007, 01:13 PM
i appreciate what you've done and realize the work involved. what i'm saying is: if you take my advice (which is good advice), consider autohotkey. its fully capable of doing what you want without license or hardware restrictions.

if you think that my advice is harsh wait till i start delivering my opinions.

J_A_M_F_
08-12-2007, 02:28 PM
Originally posted by theFCIProject:
Throttle is designed to work with the CH Products Quadrant only.

I have used Leo's Precision Joystick Controller to convert my Thrustmaster FLCS over to USB. Great piece of kit.

If you know where to get a couple of Suncom SFS then I could take a look at writing an interface for it The object of Leo's USB circuit is to convert the Suncom SFS from gameport to USB. Once "Throttle" is converted to any USB controller, you will have a larger audience.

AKA_TAGERT
08-12-2007, 02:38 PM
Originally posted by BaldieJr:
consider autohotkey. its fully capable of doing what you want without license or hardware restrictions.
Can autohotkey interface with DeviceLink to send throttle commands?

I think the answer is no.. but correct me if I am wrong..

If autohotkey simply converts sliders to charter generators..

We tried that years ago and it got out of sync very quickly..

In that you have to sel the eng before sending the command..

Gets messy and not sure why, but we assumed it was the keyboard buffer getting slammed..

I have not got the software up and running yet, but from what I know about Devicelink this is the way to go! In that the bandwidth of this interface vs. the keyboard is much better! That and you can read back the throttle setting to ensure it got set correctly.. Something you can not do with simply charter generators.

theFCIProject
08-12-2007, 03:29 PM
Hi J_A_M_F

Yep, I understand where you are going with this idea and I would be happy to look into it.

I would need the SunCom dual-throttle to work with. If you know where one can be purchased from I will get one.

Does SunCom exist anymore? I looked them up on the net and couldn't find anything.

~S~

Gary

theFCIProject
08-12-2007, 03:35 PM
BaldieJr

I really don't know what autohotkey is. What I have written doesn't have any hardware restrictions.

We have crossed swords before, BaldieJr, and I don't need your advice or opinions. You are one negative humanbeing. How you haven't been band from this forum is mystery to me.

Please don't bother posting in this thread anymore.

Gary

B16Enk
08-12-2007, 04:43 PM
Originally posted by theFCIProject:
BaldieJr

I really don't know what autohotkey is. What I have written doesn't have any hardware restrictions.

5 Minutes in google (well less actually) and you'll know what it is.


Originally posted by theFCIProject:
We have crossed swords before, BaldieJr, and I don't need your advice or opinions. You are one negative humanbeing. How you haven't been band from this forum is mystery to me.

The personal history aside, you're selling a product here.
Advice and opinions, when given by a potential customer in front of other potential customers, is an opportunity to sell by showing how you work with your public.

Misspelling 'Band' when you meant banned is actually quite funny.

I have a Pro quad, and pro throttle and was initially interested (and that can be verified).

I think I'll sit this one out.

theFCIProject
08-12-2007, 05:06 PM
Hi B16Enk

I apologise if I came across aggressively, but I did get a bit hot under the collar with BaldieJr. My personal feelings for this particular gentleman got in the way.

You are right, I am 'selling' a product and I am trying to do it in a professional and friendly manner.

Please do not be put off by my earlier post. I value ideas, suggestions and advice.

Thanks for your advice. I will keep it in mind when I make statements in a public forum again.

Kind Regards

Gary

B16Enk
08-12-2007, 05:43 PM
np.

I would, in your position, check out Autohotkey (http://www.autohotkey.com/).

Then I would put on my sales man's hat and then explain why my product is superior.

That is what I need to hear, considering it is a beta product (not an issue of itself) however confidence has to be gained and fostered.

BaldieJr made a reasonable statement, he also recognised that you have made a financial investment to produce this product.

Forums are notorious for things getting out of hand, we lack many of the cues that we take for granted in our normal communications, and it is so easy for things to be taken out of context, largely due to the necessary brevity in written communications.

At 46 yrs of age I'm <STRIKE>reasonably mature</STRIKE> and have got used to it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Before I shell out 25 on something like this, which will be used in a small percentage of my time flying on line (I usually fly single engine unless the co-op/SEOW mission demands/requires a multi engined ride) however I am interested, and salute you for taking an original route for removing a frustrating limitation in an ageing (oops did I really say that) game engine.

~S~

Tailbutcher
08-12-2007, 08:21 PM
If the Throttles do work as said, the P-38 will be a dangerous foe in a tight turning dogfight. I personally know a WW2 P-38 fighter pilot that would give some insight of how separate throttles helped in making a tight turns without losing control. If you guys want I'll ask him.

theFCIProject
08-13-2007, 01:03 AM
Tailbutcher

I agree, if one can get the hang of manipulating the throttles to 'swing' the aircraft around a very tight turn could be achieved.

I have been testing Throttle with the Mosquito and learning how to get the best out of the separate throttle controls has been challenging and fun.

Just got the Propeller Pitch controls working and this is useful for dead engine situations. The prop on the dead/damaged engine can be feathered and this stops the aircraft dragging through the air.

I believe the props should be feathered a bit during a landing. Trying to master this at the moment.

Going from a single engine to a multi-engine aircraft, with separate engine controls, is a challenge.

Advice from the P-38 pilot would be very welcome.

~S~

Gary

T_O_A_D
08-13-2007, 07:40 AM
Sounds good, Posting so I don't loose this one, and I'll find it later when home.

I've been seperating the throttles for two eng. aircraft for a few years with my Saitek software,and banding the rudder rocker on my X-45 but its tedious for sure.

theFCIProject
08-13-2007, 08:33 AM
Throttle B1.18 Released

B1.18 provides Prop Pitch control

Download the new version from http://www.ge-tec.co.uk/ge-tec_018.htm

Please remember a license is required to run Throttle.

Thanks to everyone for there interest and comments regarding Throttle.

~S~

Gary
throttle@ge-tec.co.uk

erco415
08-13-2007, 09:41 AM
Hi Gary! Could your program be made to work with the upcoming Saitek throttle quadrant?

theFCIProject
08-13-2007, 02:41 PM
I have seen these throttles advertised on SimHQ and had thought of this.

I believe the answer is; YES http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Now I understand how USB works I believe I can get the data I need from the Saitek.

~S~

Gary

J_A_M_F_
08-14-2007, 02:37 PM
Originally posted by theFCIProject:
Yep, I understand where you are going with this idea and I would be happy to look into it.

I would need the SunCom dual-throttle to work with.
...
Does SunCom exist anymore? They don't exist anymore and the second hand ones don't surface very often.

You wouldn't need a Suncom for testing purposes, but just Leo Bodnar's circuit board and a test setup with a few 100k linear pots. That should get you access to the BU 0836A's functions.

There's someone working on a "replica" Lightning throttle with Leo's chip and many pit builders are using it.

theFCIProject
08-14-2007, 02:50 PM
Have you any details on the Lightning throttle?

That sounds cool.

I have a Precision Joystick Controller and will look into how to interface it. This may be a great way of expanding the usefulness of the Throttle program.

J_A_M_F_
08-14-2007, 04:13 PM
I sent you a PM. I think it's too soon in the project for an avalange of build requests. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

theFCIProject
08-14-2007, 04:25 PM
J_A_M_F_

Thanks for the PM. If they builders want a way of connecting this up to IL2 I would be willing to do the programming.

The concept of the throttle looks good.

J_A_M_F_
08-15-2007, 03:10 PM
Originally posted by theFCIProject:
I have used Leo's Precision Joystick Controller to convert my Thrustmaster FLCS over to USB Does that mean you don't have it anymore? If you did have it, you could interface the programme with Leo's USB chip?

theFCIProject
08-15-2007, 03:25 PM
I still have the Thrustmaster with Leo's chip(s) in it. I had to use two chips to get all the switches and rotaries working. Works really well.

I have another of Leo's chips. A friend and I are trying to convert old Thrustmaster Top Gun joysticks with the chip. My friend currently has the chip. I have e-mailed him to get it back. Once I get it I will experiment with it.

My friend and I bought a job-lot of old Top Guns with the intention of converting and selling them. The hat switch is a bit weired and doesn't work very will. If I wrote a device/interface program for them I could probably get the hat switch to work.

Urufu_Shinjiro
08-15-2007, 04:21 PM
theFCIProject, you might actually want to take a look at this autohotkey program. If you can find a way to interface it with devicelink it should do the trick. If this is possible I would be more than happy to pay YOU $20 rather than pay java $50 for a license instead of your pocket.

theFCIProject
08-15-2007, 04:36 PM
Urufu

Thanks for the advice. I did take a look at autohotkey, however I think I will stick with my idea of using the USB interface.

I have other projects that use USB as it's interface. There more I work with the API, the more I will be able to do with it.

I will probably buy a bulk amount of licenses and then be able to pass on the cost saving to people who buy my software. I am talking to the USB library developers at the moment and working out how much a bulk license will cost. Once this is done I will lower the price of the Throttle software.

Kind Regards

Gary

Chris0382
08-15-2007, 06:54 PM
Excuse my not knowing. But does this set up take something that can ONLY be contrrolled digitally and converting it to analog?

If so this would be great for Grand Theft Auto

theFCIProject
08-15-2007, 07:07 PM
Hi Chris0382

Throttle has been written specifically for use with IL2. It takes 'digital' data from the throttle quadrant, converts it to a format IL2 understands, then sends the converted data to IL2.

Maybe the new throttle from Saitek would work for you. Have a look on www.simhq.com (http://www.simhq.com) homepage. They have an advert on the right hand side for this new throttle.

Kind Regards

Gary

AKA_TAGERT
08-15-2007, 08:04 PM
WOW

Those Saitek throttles look nice!

Gary.. Any plans on doing for those what you did for the CH quad?

Also.. I have not had any time to try the throttle stuff yet.. In the middle of changing jobs and stuff.. So sorry I have not been able to provide you or anyone else any feedback!

Keep up the good work! This is cool stuff!

theFCIProject
08-15-2007, 08:16 PM
No worries about being able to test the program.

I am currently added the 6 switches http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Yes, I will look at the Satiek. They are not available yet, especially here in good ol' Blighty http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Thanks for the encouragement and good luck with the change of job.

EiZ0N
08-15-2007, 08:24 PM
Originally posted by theFCIProject:
I have to cover the cost of the Java USB library I am using.
And what library might that be? (Simply curious since you brought it up http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif )

theFCIProject
08-15-2007, 08:33 PM
The Java USB library called JCommUSB is from www.icaste.com (http://www.icaste.com)

USB is not supported, natively, by Java because it is to close to the hardware layer of a computer, so it doesn't fit into the Java model of being platform independent.

EiZ0N
08-15-2007, 08:45 PM
$40 per lisence... pff.

That's quite annoying. There must be a way to cut out the middleman.

I'm surprised there's no open source code for something like that.

theFCIProject
08-15-2007, 09:10 PM
I have looked at the open source offering on SourceForge, but it is not supported or being actively developed as far as I can see. The only USB/Java libraries I have seen are for Linux.

I am negotiating with icaste to buy a bulk license. This will reduce the cost considerably.

I should be able to announce something tomorrow.

theFCIProject
08-15-2007, 09:14 PM
PS

If you are wondering why I charge $50 and a license from icaste is $40, please take into consideration PayPal's commission and exchange rate conversion from US$ to GB. I am just covering these costs.

Kind Regards

Gary

EiZ0N
08-16-2007, 09:05 AM
I doubt anyone can complain about you making a few dollars off each one, considering development time, hassle, etc.

theFCIProject
08-16-2007, 10:53 AM
Thanks EIZON

The software has been written for someone who specifically asked me to write the application.

I could see the potential of the software being useful to other people in the IL2 community and decided to release it, publicly.

The uptake of the software is a bit slow. I believe this is due to the license cost.

I hope to be able to reduce the cost and should be able to make an announcement later today.

BigC208
08-16-2007, 11:37 AM
50 Bucks is a lot for students and kids. For folks with a fulltime job and into the flightsim hobby it's not that big of a deal. The reason I have not yet bought the throttle quadrant is because it was unusable in Il2 in a realistic manner. If this gizmo makes the twins realistic I will buy this thing in a heartbeat including the extra software.

theFCIProject
08-16-2007, 11:51 AM
Throttle does indeed make flying a mutli-engine aircraft more realistic.

Throttle now controls engine power (throttle) and propeller pitch.

One feature I can't get to work is fuel mixture. I understand fuel mixture, via DeviceLink, will work in BoB.

I am currently working on getting the toggle switches working. This will allow the engines to be started/stopped by pressing a toggle switch. Other features like nav, cockpit and landing lights will be added too.

Currently, US$50 covers the cost of all the required software. I hope to reduce this price soon.

theFCIProject
08-16-2007, 01:38 PM
Announcing Reduction in price for Throttle

Throttle for IL2 can now be purchased for US$25!

I am now able to offer the reduced price because I am purchasing 'bulk licenses' for the Java USB library.

Kind Regards

Gary

AKA_TAGERT
08-16-2007, 02:08 PM
DOH!

Well take that other $25 and put it towards the dev on those new Saitek throttles.. In that I just pre-ordered two of them! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://content.vcommerce.com/products/fullsize/777/20733777.jpg

theFCIProject
08-16-2007, 02:18 PM
Hi AKA_TAGERT

As mentioned in a e-mail I sent to you, you are very welcome to have a $25 dollar refund http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The offer of putting towards a Saitek throttle would be appreciated though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Where did you pre-oder yours from? www.GoGamer.com? (http://www.GoGamer.com?)

AKA_TAGERT
08-16-2007, 02:25 PM
Originally posted by theFCIProject:
Hi AKA_TAGERT

As mentioned in a e-mail I sent to you, you are very welcome to have a $25 dollar refund http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The offer of putting towards a Saitek throttle would be appreciated though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
I have not check my email lately.. But yes, use that $25 towards what ever you deam necessary.. if it ends up adding suport to the Saitek, great! If not and just makes the CH portion beter, great too! A win win eitherway!


Originally posted by theFCIProject:
Where did you pre-oder yours from? www.GoGamer.com? (http://www.GoGamer.com?)
From go gamer.. they had a little pre-order thing up.

http://www.gogamer.com/Saitek-Pro-Flight-Throttle-Quadr...451798VVviewprod.htm (http://www.gogamer.com/Saitek-Pro-Flight-Throttle-Quadrant-Accessories_stcVVproductId20733777VVcatId451798VVv iewprod.htm)

I ordered two of them.

http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/saitekusa_1963_3413720

theFCIProject
08-16-2007, 02:48 PM
As soon as the Satiek throttle is available in the UK I will order one and put the $25 towards it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Amazon UK normally have new stuff like this available first.

theFCIProject
08-16-2007, 07:45 PM
Throttle B2.1 Released

Throttle B2.1 adds the capability of using the six toggle switches on the throttle quadrant.

The switches can be configured to start/stop the engines, switch on the cockpit lights etc.

It is possible to add anything that the DeviceLink interface can control to the toggle switches.

Tomorrow, I will add documentation on how to configure the switches into the distribution zip.

Chris0382
08-16-2007, 08:37 PM
I dont know much about all this stuff. But I can assume a lot of work and time is being put into the programming and can see a venture into BOB later on.

keep up the good work and hope all goes as well as planned.

Chris

theFCIProject
08-16-2007, 08:51 PM
Thanks Chris0382

I am really looking forward to BoB. The work on Throttle and my other interface project, the FCIProject, is also intended to work with BoB.

IL2 and, I presume BOB, are such great flight simulators the effort is worth it.

I wont bother to do anything like this with FSX. Not until they make it 100% better than it currently is.

rockgardenlove
08-18-2007, 10:19 PM
25 bucks is really quite a steal here...great product you have here. I'm going to try and make a quad with Leo Bodnar's controller, but he hasn't been getting back to my email...so I don't know when that will happen. Anyways, interface with that would be great. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Btw, I wouldn't be surprised if BoB supported multiple throttles...seems like a such a blatant flaw with IL2 that they would fix it.

Anyways, keep up the good work.

theFCIProject
08-18-2007, 10:33 PM
I have just got my BU0836 from a friend.

I will look at seeing how this works, regarding USB data, and see if I can integrate support into Throttle.

I agree, I think multi-lever throttles will be supported by BoB. Well... it should be.

Please buy Throttle for IL2! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

J_A_M_F_
08-19-2007, 03:54 AM
*JAMF starts holding his breath.


http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

theFCIProject
08-19-2007, 04:05 AM
Don't hold your breath to long. You will go blue http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

J_A_M_F_
08-19-2007, 11:54 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

JRJacobs
08-19-2007, 01:26 PM
At $25 i may order this - couple of questions though.

How does "Throttle" work with the CH software? I have a CH Fighterstick Pro, CH Rudder pedals Pro, and CH Throttle Quadrant.

1) Does putting the Throttle Quad onto "Throttle" affect the other CH Products?

My throttle quad currently is "Throttle-Pitch-Mix-Flaps-Hook-Gear" with the Mix,Hook, and Gear set up as key presses.

2) With "Throttle" using "Throttle1-Throttle2-Pitch1-Pitch2" what if anything, can I assign the other two levers to?

I see that your latests software supports six buttons but the buttons on the throttle quad are two position buttons for a total of 12

3) Does your software suport al 12 positions or just six?

theFCIProject
08-19-2007, 06:58 PM
Hi JRJacobs

I will try to answer your questions as best as I can;

1) Throttle takes over the CH Products Throttle Quadrant USB Device. Unfortunately, I do not have any other CH Products and cannot positively say if this would effect the other devices. I honestly don not believe there would be any trouble using Throttle for the Quadrant and the CH Manager software for the other devices.

You would be able to recreate the same key assignments as you have them now.

2) What other functions would you like to see on the levers? Currently, up to 4 throttles or 4 pitch levers could be assigned. This is only practical on the TB-3. I am hoping BoB will have 4 engine aircraft. At the moment Mixture cannot be assigned because this function is not available through the DeviceLink protocol.

3) All twelve buttons are supported. Instead of having twelve 'LEDs' on the user interface I used six. If switch 1 is toggled up the first LED lights and if switch 1 is toggled down the first LED lights. Odd numbered switches are 'up' and even numbered switches are 'down'.

Can I suggest you purchase Throttle and give it a try with your other CH Products? If Throttle, for some reason, doesn't work with the other devices plugged in I will refund your money.

Kind Regards

theFCIProject
08-23-2007, 02:12 AM
Throttle B2.6 released

B2.6 provides much smoother movement of the levers and Throttle can now be minimized to the System Tray.

J_A_M_F_
08-25-2007, 10:44 AM
Just popping 'round to see how it's going.

*JAMF looks and sees progress. (is looking more purple than blue)

Nice going. Keep up the good work!

theFCIProject
08-25-2007, 09:11 PM
Breath out J_A_M_F http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

I have connected up the BU0836 and run some tests. It looks good;

Start USBTester!
Device Path of Device at index 0 = \\?\usb#vid_16c0&pid_05b5#a00589#{5a44bde9-d92c-4a97-b2b8-63ba19e74635}
Device Desc Data
Device Class 0
Device Sub Class 0
Device E0 max packet size 64
Device Manufacturer String index 1
Leo Bodnar
Device Num Configs 1
Device Vendor ID 5824
Device Product ID 1461
Device Product String Index 2

This means I can access the data from the device http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Is there enough interest though? Do other people want to build their own throttles/controls and have a specialized program?

I need some feedback, on this question, please.

Cheers

rockgardenlove
08-26-2007, 02:22 AM
Wouldn't it be simpler to write one generic USB controller -> devicelink program?

If the axes of Bodner's controller show up natively in Windows, can't you just tap into that and sync that info up to devicelink?
That way you could use it with any USB controller, which would be truly amazing.

J_A_M_F_
08-26-2007, 04:26 AM
Originally posted by theFCIProject:
Breath out J_A_M_F http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

I have connected up the BU0836 and run some tests. It looks good;
....
This means I can access the data from the device http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif Phew!!! That's better. Ooooh... now I'm light-headed.

Great news. I'm gonna post a message to poll the Leo's chip owners and see if they play IL2(1946) and if they are interested.

ibeagle
08-26-2007, 06:06 AM
We've got 2 8-axis throttles using Leo's chip nearing completion. We're gonna pull finger and finish this sooner rather than later if this is going to work. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

I suspect there will be considerable interest once this is demonstrated working with Leo's chip.

theFCIProject
08-26-2007, 09:14 AM
Hi

Rockgardenlove - good handle BTW - I agree I may as well write a separate program for the BU836.

People can then assign whatever they want, from DeviceLink, to the axis and buttons on the joystick controller.

J_A_M_F_ The more interest we can generate, the better. Maybe best to sit for awhile http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

ibeagle That is interesting. Any pictures?. If I can help integrate the throttles with IL2 I will be happy to do so.

Cheers guys and thanks for your support! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

rockgardenlove
08-26-2007, 01:45 PM
What I mean is not ONLY for the BU836. Couldn't you write a program that would be able to sync an input from ANY plug'n'play USB controller to device link? I don't really know anything about programming, but it seems like it couldn't be too hard...

theFCIProject
08-26-2007, 05:38 PM
I don't think this is feasible. Each joystick, throttle or other USB device seems to have its own way of doing things. That's what I have seen so far on three different devices. As long as the data gets presented in a uniform manner, to the application interface, then these differences don't matter. This is why drivers are needed for some devices and DirectX abstracts these differences. I have no way of talking to DirectX because I am using Java not C++.

The BU386 is such a great device I don't mind writing an interface for it. As far as other devices are concerned there is just to much variety to deal with them all.

Thanks

rockgardenlove
08-26-2007, 08:18 PM
Well, Windows recognizes game controllers as plug and play...what I mean is that instead of getting the data straight from the controller, get it from Windows. Instead of controller -> program -> devicelink -> game, make it controller -> windows game utility -> devicelink -> game.

Get what I mean?
Can't you just make a program that recognizes joystick axes changing that sends that data to the game via devicelink?

theFCIProject
08-26-2007, 09:52 PM
Originally posted by rockgardenlove:
Well, Windows recognizes game controllers as plug and play...what I mean is that instead of getting the data straight from the controller, get it from Windows. Instead of controller -> program -> devicelink -> game, make it controller -> windows game utility -> devicelink -> game.

Get what I mean?
Can't you just make a program that recognizes joystick axes changing that sends that data to the game via devicelink?

I honestly understand what you are saying and it is the best way to do it. The problem is I would need access to DirectX, more precisely, DirectInput. I have googled 'Java DirectX' and the results showed what I thought; Java and DirectX have no common ground. They come from two different worlds; Java is Sun and DirectX is Microsoft. If I wanted to do graphics programming, using Java, I would have to use OpenGL, not DirectX.

I recognise Java is not the best language for this type of programming - essentially device drivers - however I have my own reasons for using Java. The best language to use would be C++. I never learned C++. I went from C to Progress (don't ask) to Java. C++ maybe on the horizon for me, but it is a long way off.

Thanks for your understanding

rockgardenlove
08-26-2007, 10:33 PM
I see. Interesting. I was thinking that it would be simpler, but I guess not. Shows what I know about programming. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

A BU836 interface would be just as good for my purposes.

theFCIProject
08-27-2007, 12:49 AM
It should be easy, shouldn't it? But the big boys like MS and Sun have seen fit over the years to fight each other instead of cooperating for the greater good (rant over) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Now this looks promising; http://www.hardcode.de/jxinput/

It takes me in a completely different direction, but that is OK. If I can get Throttle and other utilities to work easier, for everyone, so be it.

BaldieJr
08-27-2007, 01:52 AM
this thread is an insult.

look, if you're just going google until you find someone else's solution maybe its time you take my AMAZING advice and look at autohotkey before you hurt yourself.

would it hurt you to learn a more efficient way of doing things?

go ahead and get personal if you must. the fact still remains, i coded this in autohokey a loooooong time ago. its TRIVIAL. theres a tutorial on the autohotkey site thats good enough that any member of this board could write usable applications in a matter of weeks (days for some, for we are amongst some smart cookies).

i swear on my own eyes i'm telling you this because i care. save yourself a lot of work. use the right tool for the job.

theFCIProject
08-27-2007, 03:37 AM
BaldieJr

I have asked you not to comment on this thread. It is a privilege to be able to use these forums, not a right. I have reported your post as Abuse.

RevvinUK
08-27-2007, 07:29 AM
BaldieJr, I think you're comments are unnecessary

EiZ0N
08-27-2007, 08:41 AM
Originally posted by theFCIProject:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rockgardenlove:
Well, Windows recognizes game controllers as plug and play...what I mean is that instead of getting the data straight from the controller, get it from Windows. Instead of controller -> program -> devicelink -> game, make it controller -> windows game utility -> devicelink -> game.

Get what I mean?
Can't you just make a program that recognizes joystick axes changing that sends that data to the game via devicelink?

I honestly understand what you are saying and it is the best way to do it. The problem is I would need access to DirectX, more precisely, DirectInput. I have googled 'Java DirectX' and the results showed what I thought; Java and DirectX have no common ground. They come from two different worlds; Java is Sun and DirectX is Microsoft. If I wanted to do graphics programming, using Java, I would have to use OpenGL, not DirectX.

I recognise Java is not the best language for this type of programming - essentially device drivers - however I have my own reasons for using Java. The best language to use would be C++. I never learned C++. I went from C to Progress (don't ask) to Java. C++ maybe on the horizon for me, but it is a long way off.

Thanks for your understanding </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
What you need is C#

It's Java + .NET basically.

It also has support for managed DirectX, meaning you can do whatever you like in it.

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-gb/express/aa700756.aspx

I've used it for 2 years now, and for me, if you want to program under windows, it's the way to go.

Also if you know Java you can use C# very easily. The syntax and code structure is identical, the only difference is some of the libraries. Most of those are very similar to the Java ones aswell. In fact, everything is pretty much identical.

As a bonus, building GUIs is as easy as anything.

Edit - most importantly, C# Express Edition is free

theFCIProject
08-27-2007, 09:15 AM
Thanks for the word on C#.

I visited the Visual Studio site and see they also do an Express Edition of C++. I would prefer to go with that.

Cheers

striker-85
08-27-2007, 10:02 AM
Nice work!

I did a similiar thing using the CH Control Manager for the CH Throttle Quad. I wrote a program about a year ago that provides indepentant throttle and pitch control for twin engine a/c.

No selecting the engine before you move a throttle like previous CH scripts, this works as if you have independant throttle and pitch axises.

If there is any interest I'd be happy to post it.

theFCIProject
08-27-2007, 03:53 PM
Striker-85

Please go ahead and post your program. This will be an alternative to my program that people can try out.

Kind Regards

EiZ0N
08-27-2007, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by theFCIProject:
Thanks for the word on C#.

I visited the Visual Studio site and see they also do an Express Edition of C++. I would prefer to go with that.

Cheers
May I ask why? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

theFCIProject
08-27-2007, 05:02 PM
I am crazy aren't I? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

I have always wanted to learn C++, this maybe the way to do it. I hope that makes sense http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Urufu_Shinjiro
08-27-2007, 05:04 PM
If you can get this working on any usb controller then I will gladly pay the $25, license fee or no!

theFCIProject
08-27-2007, 05:17 PM
I am working on Throttle to provide proper compatibility with CH Control Manager using a DirectX/DirectInput binding.

This will also make programming the BU836, custom controllers or joysticks easier to do as well.

BaldieJr
08-27-2007, 05:30 PM
Does it matter who you pay that $25 to? I can code this to work with any usb controller tonight.

God knows I could use a little extra green so I can [finally] get a stick that doesn't spike.

FoolTrottel
08-27-2007, 05:43 PM
the fact still remains, i coded this in autohokey a loooooong time ago.

Care to share?

BaldieJr
08-27-2007, 09:46 PM
Not if i can get $25 a pop.

Of course, a smart-guy might go hunting other forums to find code fragments posted by BaldieJr. Its antiquated/ outdated/ mildly incomplete, but theres enough for the naturally inquisitive to make something nice for themselves.

Autohotkey is like crack. Once you get started you can't stop.

FoolTrottel
08-28-2007, 03:24 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif Ty.

theFCIProject
09-01-2007, 06:07 AM
Throttle for IL2 B3 Released

Version B3 of Throttle for IL2 uses DirectX's DirectInput to access lever information from the throttle quadrant This new approach allows the program to work alongside the CH Products Control Manager.

The new version no longer controls the toggle switches on the quadrant. The toggle switches are now seen by IL2 and can be programmed using the usual method within the simulator.

There is one limitation that cannot be overcome; Throttle cannot see devices when they are part of a CH Control Panel 'Map'. To use the program the CH Products Throttle Quadrant must not be mapped. Other CH Products can remain within a map.

J_A_M_F_
09-01-2007, 06:20 AM
So since it now is reading DirectInput, is reading the BU0836 axes a big step (programming wise)?

theFCIProject
09-01-2007, 06:31 AM
I can happily read data from the BU0836 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

At the moment I making a test board with the BU0836 and six slider potentiometers on it. This simulates a custom made throttle quadrant.

I will add a couple of buttons to make sure this area works as well.

Cheers

fabianfred
09-01-2007, 02:23 PM
I have the Saitek Aviator AV8R joystick which has two throttle sliders.....would this program of yours be of any use to me??

I do enjoy flying bombers like the B25 and the P38/mosquito often enough too...

all independent programmers who make stuff for the community are to be congratulated....there are many free superb utilities for the Misson builders available too

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

theFCIProject
09-01-2007, 02:42 PM
I believe it may work.

The two throttle levers on the joystick are probably the Z-Axis and Z-Rotation axes. These could be picked up by Throttle.

I would need to know what the device is called from the Control Panel's Game Controllers applet. I could then add this to this list of recognised controllers.

Thanks for the complement. I am just trying to make a great simulator just a little easier to integrate with different flight controls and instruments.

fabianfred
09-01-2007, 03:33 PM
windows calls it the "Saitek AV8R Classic stick"

and Il2 sees it as the -Z axis for throttle and U-slider-axis for rudder trim at the moment

J_A_M_F_
09-01-2007, 03:47 PM
Originally posted by theFCIProject:
I can happily read data from the BU0836 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

At the moment I making a test board with the BU0836 and six slider potentiometers on it. This simulates a custom made throttle quadrant.

*JAMF starts holding breath again.



LOL http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

theFCIProject
09-01-2007, 04:14 PM
Originally posted by fabianfred:
windows calls it the "Saitek AV8R Classic stick"

and Il2 sees it as the -Z axis for throttle and U-slider-axis for rudder trim at the moment

I could send you a test program that tells me the exact name and which names have been given to the sliders. Please PM with your e-mail address?

theFCIProject
09-01-2007, 04:16 PM
Originally posted by J_A_M_F_:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by theFCIProject:
I can happily read data from the BU0836 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

At the moment I making a test board with the BU0836 and six slider potentiometers on it. This simulates a custom made throttle quadrant.

*JAMF starts holding breath again.



LOL http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Breath out! Breath out! I need to get some more sliders to finish off the test board http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

BTW The new version will also make it easier to integrate the new Saitek throttle quadrant.

I could see Throttle being able to work with a mixture of CH Products, Saiteks and custom throttle quadrants http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

AKA_TAGERT
09-01-2007, 06:13 PM
Originally posted by theFCIProject:
Breath out! Breath out! I need to get some more sliders to finish off the test board http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

BTW The new version will also make it easier to integrate the new Saitek throttle quadrant.

I could see Throttle being able to work with a mixture of CH Products, Saiteks and custom throttle quadrants http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
NICE!

Keep us posted! Im still to busy with the new job to even get around to trying it yet.. But it is all sounding like great news! This is going to make IL2 a much better sim! Thanks for all your hard work!

theFCIProject
09-01-2007, 06:27 PM
If there are any major changes to Throttle I make a new post on this forum, plus I announce it in this thread.

There is also a dedicated forum for Throttle; http://212.124.199.72/UKCockpitBuildersForum/forums/show/5.page where I announce changes. The forum is also there if you want enhancements to Throttle or find any bugs or issues that need reporting.

~S~

JRJacobs
09-03-2007, 03:55 PM
Anyone able to post a video or NTRK of a P-38 turning tighter with differential throttles?

theFCIProject
09-03-2007, 10:06 PM
I will make a couple of tracks. One were I use the throttle to try and make a tight turn and the other using the prop pitch.

I will post them later today.

~S~

theFCIProject
09-04-2007, 06:41 PM
Here is a track file of a P-38 turning;

http://www.ge-tec.co.uk/download/throttle/P-38-Turn.ntrk

There are two turns, each one where the throttle is closed. This does make the aircraft turn harder, however it gets the aircraft closer to stalling too.

The first turn to right is not too aggressive. I had to follow the turn with the stick, to stop an induced spin.

The second turn to the left is more aggressive and I just about held the aircraft from stalling.

It does feel the turns are quicker when a throttle is shut, but this maybe down to the increased workload to stop the aircraft from stalling.

You will have to judge for yourself!

J_A_M_F_
09-08-2007, 08:06 PM
*JAMF comes into the thread wearing an oxygen mask, after being seen to by paramedics.

Any news? Progress?

fabianfred
09-08-2007, 10:17 PM
Originally posted by theFCIProject:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by fabianfred:
windows calls it the "Saitek AV8R Classic stick"

and Il2 sees it as the -Z axis for throttle and U-slider-axis for rudder trim at the moment

I could send you a test program that tells me the exact name and which names have been given to the sliders. Please PM with your e-mail address? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

PM sent....but no result

theFCIProject
09-10-2007, 06:43 AM
Fabianfred

Sorry I didn't get an e-mail notification about the PM you sent. I have made sure e-mail notification is turned on.

I am confident the levers on your Saitek would be picked up by Throttle.

I will modify Throttle so your stick is recognised.

theFCIProject
09-10-2007, 06:52 AM
Originally posted by J_A_M_F_:
*JAMF comes into the thread wearing an oxygen mask, after being seen to by paramedics.

Any news? Progress?

Relax and take some deep breaths http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

I have spent this weekend installing a new server and watching Formula 1.

So, not much progress on Throttle. A friend is going to finish off the 'throttle emulator' hardware - my soldering is not as good as his.

I will be going to visit him at the end of the month and the hardware will be ready then.

I will resume further development of Throttle then.

Don't try and hold your breath for that long! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Kind Regards

J_A_M_F_
09-10-2007, 06:09 PM
The end of the month? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif


...oh wait. That's two weeks. :doh: OK.

*wheez-wheez*

J_A_M_F_
09-23-2007, 12:49 PM
It slipped a few pages, so *bump*...back to the top and waiting for next weekend. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

theFCIProject
09-25-2007, 07:55 PM
Still planning to go and meet my friend who is going to make the 'throttle emulator'.

Once I get the emulator I will start working on adapting Throttle to work with the BU0836.

S

J_A_M_F_
10-12-2007, 09:52 AM
Bump? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

theFCIProject
10-23-2007, 07:33 AM
Been really suffering from Chronic Fatigue the last few weeks.

I am still waiting for the emulator. Once I receive it I will work on the software.

Sorry for the delay

Gary

AKA_TAGERT
10-23-2007, 07:51 AM
Originally posted by theFCIProject:
Been really suffering from Chronic Fatigue the last few weeks.

I am still waiting for the emulator. Once I receive it I will work on the software.

Sorry for the delay

Gary Keep up the good work Gary!

But don't kill yourself doing it!

Life is short.. would rather you take some time off and take twice as long to do the throttle stuff than to burn yourself out on it and never finish it or decide not to do new things with it!

J_A_M_F_
10-24-2007, 03:14 PM
Originally posted by theFCIProject:
Been really suffering from Chronic Fatigue the last few weeks.

I am still waiting for the emulator. Once I receive it I will work on the software. Thanks for the heads-up! Take it easy. Health is paramount.

J_A_M_F_
11-25-2007, 03:30 PM
One month further. How are you doing Gary? Project wise but also on the health front?

triad773
11-29-2007, 02:10 AM
Any word on the Saitek compatibility?

It'll be great http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

FCIProject3
12-06-2007, 07:35 AM
Hi All

Been having real trouble logging onto the forum!

I should have the throttle emulator next week.

Just to confirm what you guys are requesting here is what I believe what has been asked for. Support for;

1) The BU0836 controller
2) The new Saitek Throttle
3) The Saitek AV8R

Anything else?

Gary
FCIProject

J_A_M_F_
12-07-2007, 03:12 PM
Affirmative on the BU0836.

fabianfred
12-12-2007, 06:56 PM
yes..the saitek AV8R.....please
just bought a spare one

get well for the new year...and have a happy xmas

FCIProject3
12-12-2007, 07:42 PM
OK. I will have to order a AV8R, but that is OK - they are pretty inexpensive.

Happy Christmas and New Year

Gary

J_A_M_F_
02-06-2008, 02:31 PM
Small curious bump?

TSmoke
02-06-2008, 09:04 PM
Read all 7 pages of this, weird I have never seen it before. Old age I guess.

Would be nice to see if anything develops for the AV8R stick. There seem to be quite a few in use around here.

Cool idea if it works.

FCIProject3
02-07-2008, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by J_A_M_F_:
Small curious bump?

Hi

Sorry for my absence on the forum the last couple of months.

I am starting to look at adding the features requested to enhance Throttle. I bought an AV8R a few weeks ago, but it is still in the box! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Unfortunately, I have lost contact with the chap who was going to build a test-rig throttle based around the BU0386 controller. I will e-mail him, again, and see if he replies.

I need to get a Saitek throttle. I will buy one as soon as I can.

Circumstances have changed for me. I am starting my own business and the FCIProject and Throttle software will have to become a hobby and may have to take a back seat, when/if the business venture takes off.

My FCIProject website is still available and hosted privately;

http://212.124.199.72:8080/FCIProject/

This means the UK Cockpit Builders Forum is still available;

http://212.124.199.72:8080/UKCockpitBuildersForum/forums/list.page

Kind Regards

Gary

FCIProject3
02-10-2008, 01:17 PM
Good news AV8R fans!

I have made the changes to Throttle to allow it to work with the Saitek AV8R.

I will be able to make the new version of Throttle available in the next week. After I have done some testing.

~S~

Gary

TSmoke
02-10-2008, 05:04 PM
Thanks for your efforts, will grab it when you're done testing.

FCIProject3
02-10-2008, 05:28 PM
The changes went well. It was easier than I thought it was going to be - the beauty of Java http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Now that the program is not specifically designed to work just with the CH Products Throttle it will be straight forward to add other throttles like the Saitek Pro-Flight and BU0836.

Famous last words! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

I have also written a user manual for Throttle. This will help people get Throttle working. I will make the manual available when I release the new version of Throttle.

~S~

Gary

leitmotiv
02-10-2008, 08:30 PM
As soon as my new keyboard arrives (dratted Logitech!), I am installing Throttle. Thanks for this utility!

FCIProject3
02-11-2008, 06:45 AM
The new version of Throttle, with AV8R capability, will be Version B4.x and will be available soon.

What happened to your Logitech keyboard?

~S~

Gary

FCIProject3
02-11-2008, 04:17 PM
Throttle User Manual

The 1st draft of a user manual for Throttle is now available to download;

http://www.ge-tec.co.uk/download/throttle/ThrottleUserManual.zip

I hope this helps people get the best use out of Throttle.

~S~

Gary

leitmotiv
02-11-2008, 04:29 PM
Apparently the keyboard went nuts after 3 1/2 years!

FCIProject3
02-12-2008, 01:49 AM
Maybe it is the operator that has gone nuts http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif (only joking) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

FCIProject3
02-12-2008, 02:16 AM
A request to the IL2 Community

I have lost touch with the guy who was going to build me a test-throttle based around the BU0836 Precision Joystick Controller.

Would someone be interested in building a test-throttle, to allow me to modify the Throttle program to work with the BU0386?

It wouldn't have to be anything fancy, just 6-8 slider potentiometers wired into the BU0386.

Please post if you are interested in helping out?

~S~

Gary

leitmotiv
02-12-2008, 03:01 AM
Originally posted by FCIProject3:
Maybe it is the operator that has gone nuts http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif (only joking) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Well, I fixed the problem with the keyboard by getting a new one, as for a simple fix for the user---not bloody likely!

Looking forward to using Throttle now, cheers!

FCIProject3
02-12-2008, 04:34 AM
Leimotiv

Maybe WE can be fixed! I have been given some reliable information on a book that helps 'cure' CFS. I will be taking further advice from my doctor and CFS Consultant about this;

http://www.thiscureworks.com/

I hope you find this information helpful.

As for Throttle - it is on its way. I am testing to make sure I haven't broken the CH Products Throttle capability. I will be able to make Throttle B4.x available soon! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

leitmotiv
02-12-2008, 05:21 AM
I'm using this fantastic Norwegian cure for sick salmon!

http://www.stopgettingsick.com/template.cfm-8221

http://bioactivesoftware.com/index.php

FCIProject3
02-12-2008, 05:38 AM
Does it work? Are your Salmon feeling better? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

FCIProject3
02-12-2008, 01:47 PM
I am pleased to announce Throttle B4.0.

Throttle B4.0 adds the capability of using a Saitek AV8R joystick, and its two levers, to fly twin engine aircraft.

Throttle still works with the CH Products Throttle Quadrant. At the moment Throttle cannot work with a AV8R and a CH Throttle plugged in at the same time. I will address this issue soon.

More details regarding Throttle are available;

http://212.124.199.72:8080/FCIProject/ge-tec_018.htm

And a draft user manual is available;

http://www.ge-tec.co.uk/download/throttle/ThrottleUserManual.zip

I will try my best to support Throttle and run a forum for Throttle;

http://212.124.199.72:8080/UKCockpitBuildersForum/forums/show/5.page

I hope everyone who uses Throttle enjoys using it and enhances their flying experience.

J_A_M_F_
02-14-2008, 11:51 AM
I'll look into making a small test set-up for the BU0836 if I find some time, but with the workload, overtime and figuring it out, it might take a month.

So if someone has the skill and time to make test circuit sooner, please do!

FCIProject3
02-14-2008, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by J_A_M_F_:
I'll look into making a small test set-up for the BU0836 if I find some time, but with the workload, overtime and figuring it out, it might take a month.

So if someone has the skill and time to make test circuit sooner, please do!

That would be excellent. Please fit it when you can. In the meantime I will look at adding support for the Saitek Pro-Flight Throttle.

What country are you in?

Gibbage1
02-14-2008, 11:57 PM
Very interesting stuff. Does this effect the way the P-38 fly's and maneuvers in the game?

FCIProject3
02-15-2008, 02:37 AM
I have been testing my software with the Mosquito and yes it feels different. The aircraft is easier to finely control.

Landings are easier because I can control the pitch.

I have also flown on one engine. This is virtually impossible with combined throttles. This is good if one engine is damaged and needs to be stopped. The dead engine's prop pitch can be feathered and this makes the aircraft easier to fly on one engine.

It 'feels' right to be able fly with the two throttles and pitch. It is a shame fuel mixture is not modeled in IL2. Roll om BoB! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

FCIProject3
02-15-2008, 06:29 PM
Engine starting and takeoff procedure when using Throttle

Here is a post on my forum about taking off safely in twin-engine aircraft;

http://212.124.199.72:8080/UKCockpitBuildersForum/posts/list/29.page

There is a learning curve to flying twin-engine aircraft, however it doesn't take to long to get the hang of http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

leitmotiv
02-16-2008, 09:27 AM
Originally posted by FCIProject3:
Does it work? Are your Salmon feeling better? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Yes. Passed through a nasty siege of allergies in good order, but I don't have enough data yet to give it five Michelin stars.

J_A_M_F_
02-16-2008, 09:56 AM
Originally posted by FCIProject3:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by J_A_M_F_:
I'll look into making a small test set-up for the BU0836 if I find some time, but with the workload, overtime and figuring it out, it might take a month.

So if someone has the skill and time to make test circuit sooner, please do!

That would be excellent. Please fit it when you can. In the meantime I will look at adding support for the Saitek Pro-Flight Throttle.

What country are you in? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>That one just across the North Sea. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I do have 50 hour work weeks ahead, so I would be pleased if someone else looked into it. (Although I still will go ahead...)

FCIProject3
02-16-2008, 01:48 PM
Originally posted by J_A_M_F_:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FCIProject3:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by J_A_M_F_:
I'll look into making a small test set-up for the BU0836 if I find some time, but with the workload, overtime and figuring it out, it might take a month.

So if someone has the skill and time to make test circuit sooner, please do!

That would be excellent. Please fit it when you can. In the meantime I will look at adding support for the Saitek Pro-Flight Throttle.

What country are you in? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>That one just across the North Sea. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I do have 50 hour work weeks ahead, so I would be pleased if someone else looked into it. (Although I still will go ahead...) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

50hour week! What do you do!? I think you have got the job, building the test-rig http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

However, if there are others out there who want to use Throttle with a BU0836, please let yourself be known? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

FCIProject3
02-17-2008, 06:11 AM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FCIProject3:
Does it work? Are your Salmon feeling better? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Yes. Passed through a nasty siege of allergies in good order, but I don't have enough data yet to give it five Michelin stars. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It will be really nice to get off the Morphine I take for pain relief. Not looking forward to the withdrawal effects http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

leitmotiv
02-17-2008, 06:19 AM
Good Lord. I get crushing migraines when allergies are out of control. I know what it is like to nearly go around the bend from pain (just finished a bout---thus, my brain is a cinderized block), but, morphine, that is incredible. Regrets. My wits might be intact enough to get Throttle working today---I am looking forward to being able to use correct twin-engine technique with 46.

J_A_M_F_
02-17-2008, 07:42 AM
A posting from uhm... the other site which cannot be named here, by FabianFred (edited):
I got mine today and have been trying it out with my aviator stick. The lock button which locks the two controls together is useful for when flying a single engined plane.

The seperate throttles are a boon when flying the big twin engined planes...especially like the B-25...where they like to pull left on take-off...and full rudder doesn't always help...but this way keep the right engine at 60% and its fine.
Great for easy taxiing too.


Originally posted by FCIProject3:
50hour week! What do you do!? I think you have got the job, building the test-rig http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

However, if there are others out there who want to use Throttle with a BU0836, please let yourself be known? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ****load of orders comming in and understaffed. CAD engineer, working with ProEngineer Wildfire. (yuk) Short description: Silicon chips need layers of chemicals for different functions (LEDs, LCOS, CPUs, ICs). We get a schematic (P&ID) with valves and gas volume flow regulating components. We put these in 3D and connect them with " and " piping. Drawings go to the cleanroom for bending, welding and assembly.

FCIProject3
02-17-2008, 07:58 AM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Good Lord. I get crushing migraines when allergies are out of control. I know what it is like to nearly go around the bend from pain (just finished a bout---thus, my brain is a cinderized block), but, morphine, that is incredible. Regrets. My wits might be intact enough to get Throttle working today---I am looking forward to being able to use correct twin-engine technique with 46.

Pushing myself very hard at the movement and sometimes the pain is mind blowing. The way I have found to cope is completely stop, rest and take Morphine. After 3 or 4 hours complete rest I can start doing stuff. I recently discovered this technique. No good for a full time job (or life) but works for me, when working at home.

Sorry if other people find this heavy (or boring) but for anyone with CFS it may prove useful.

FCIProject3
02-17-2008, 08:04 AM
Originally posted by FCIProject3:
50hour week! What do you do!? I think you have got the job, building the test-rig http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

However, if there are others out there who want to use Throttle with a BU0836, please let yourself be known? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ****load of orders comming in and understaffed. CAD engineer, working with ProEngineer Wildfire. (yuk) Short description: Silicon chips need layers of chemicals for different functions (LEDs, LCOS, CPUs, ICs). We get a schematic (P&ID) with valves and gas volume flow regulating components. We put these in 3D and connect them with " and " piping. Drawings go to the cleanroom for bending, welding and assembly.[/QUOTE]

I thought a 50hour was bad enough, but that is just to much to take in. That is a difficult job.

Please fit the test-rig in when you feel like doing it. I don't want you to take more on than is feasible. Believe me, you don't wanna get ill through stress.

Slow down, mate

FCIProject3
02-17-2008, 08:19 AM
I have just made Throttle B4.5 available for download.

I am adding the capability of supporting several throttle controllers at the same. This means the Throttle window has changed.

In the future Throttle will support any combination of CH Products, Saitek AV8R, Saitek Pro-Flight and BU0836 based throttles.

Up to 8 controllers will be supported!

Is there any other USB based throttles that anyone would like supported?

Please post your suggestions here;

http://212.124.199.72:8080/UKCockpitBuildersForum/forums/show/5.page

ffb
02-19-2008, 11:29 PM
I tried the 4.5 version with my aviator...plus another aviator.....the second one it called an unknown device...and wouldn't work for either stick... so i went back to my 4.0

FCIProject3
02-20-2008, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by ffb:
I tried the 4.5 version with my aviator...plus another aviator.....the second one it called an unknown device...and wouldn't work for either stick... so i went back to my 4.0

I trust this explains what Throttle B4.5 is about...

I made some changes to help get Throttle working for a French chap.

I am also working on adding the 2nd controller capability This is still work in progress and is not working yet.

My intention is to add the possibility of using up to 6 or 8 controllers. Any combination of CH Products Throttles, Saitek AV8R/Pro Flight Throttles or BU0836 based devices will be selectable.

Throttle is a Beta piece of software, hence the 'B' in the version number.

I have made B4.5 available to let people see what my ideas and intentions are.

Sorry for any confusion

Urufu_Shinjiro
03-17-2008, 11:37 AM
Much deserved BUMP.

FCIProject3
04-03-2008, 09:21 AM
Just checking in...

Has anyone worked on the test throttle to work with the BU0836 yet?

I haven't been on the forum for a while, although I would be happy to work on Throttle to add the BU0836 to the controls that are supported.

Black_Ops7
04-03-2008, 09:49 AM
So Il2 does not support multi throttle from itself?

It needs a 3rd party application?

I was planning to buy 2x Saitek Throttle quadrant to user as: Throttle,fuelmix, pitch etc.

So thats not possible what i was planning?

FCIProject3
04-03-2008, 12:06 PM
Black_Ops7 that is correct; an application like Throttle is needed to use multiple Throttles.

I am looking at supporting the Saitek Pro Throttle Quadrant. I just need to get one and add the code to support it.

More details of Throttle here;

http://www.ge-tec.co.uk/FCIProject/fciproject_018.htm

I have a few people, using Throttle, who seem happy with it. The more people who purchase and use Throttle the more I can and will expand the capabilities of the application.

triad773
04-03-2008, 12:13 PM
Looking forward to it Gary- picked up a Saitek Throttle Quad over the holidays http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Cheers

Triad

Black_Ops7
04-03-2008, 12:26 PM
mmmhhh i will hold of my saitek buying plan then until your app supports the saitek throttle.

( me walks away disappointed.....why don't they patch in support for multi "throttle...)

FCIProject3
04-03-2008, 01:04 PM
Originally posted by triad773:
Looking forward to it Gary- picked up a Saitek Throttle Quad over the holidays http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Cheers

Triad

I will and try and get one from Amazon real soon.

FCIProject3
04-03-2008, 01:07 PM
Originally posted by Black_Ops7:
mmmhhh i will hold of my saitek buying plan then until your app supports the saitek throttle.

( me walks away disappointed.....why don't they patch in support for multi "throttle...)

IL2 should've been patched eons ago to support multi-throttles. It wont happen now because of Battle of Britain being developed.

Even then Throttle may have its uses. We will have to see...

Maybe worth considering the CH Throttle?

Black_Ops7
04-03-2008, 01:47 PM
What i want to do with saitek quadrant is possible according to this thread:
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/5611069746/p/2

I want to putt all things what would be useful on a axis like fuel mix, pitch on the "throttle" sticks of the saitek quadrant.

Still would be great if your app will be updated for the saitek throttle quadrant. I will certainly buy your app.

FCIProject3
04-03-2008, 02:04 PM
Originally posted by Black_Ops7:
What i want to do with saitek quadrant is possible according to this thread:
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/5611069746/p/2

I want to putt all things what would be useful on a axis like fuel mix, pitch on the "throttle" sticks of the saitek quadrant.

Still would be great if your app will be updated for the saitek throttle quadrant. I will certainly buy your app.

Hi

Throttle is needed if you want to fly twin-engine aircraft, like the P-38 or Mosquito, and want to control the engines separately. In IL2 terms; Complex Engine Management.

You could use a Saitek throttle, without Throttle, by having fuel mixture, pitch and throttle on each lever. This would allow you to control one engine precisely. Or all engines together.

I would recommend going ahead and buying the Saitek throttle. I am sure you will be able to do what you want.

I hope this helps?

fabianfred
04-03-2008, 05:03 PM
there was a saitek throttle quadrant on ebay for 40 GBP a couple of weeks ago...... you should check there often....

FCIProject3
04-03-2008, 06:12 PM
Originally posted by fabianfred:
there was a saitek throttle quadrant on ebay for 40 GBP a couple of weeks ago...... you should check there often....

Just searched eBay and this advert popped up;

http://www.pixmania.co.uk/uk/uk/627330/art/saitek/pro-f...-throttle-quadr.html (http://www.pixmania.co.uk/uk/uk/627330/art/saitek/pro-flight-throttle-quadr.html)

I will order one soon http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ffb
04-04-2008, 03:38 AM
at that price it's worth getting a couple http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

FCIProject3
04-04-2008, 05:28 AM
Good idea. The shipping is a bit steep anyway for one item.

Having two would help with the development of being able to have multiple throttles in use.

Black_Ops7
04-04-2008, 05:41 AM
They are designed to go in a pair.

One is has a "hole" and the other side a "bump" so you can put them together as 1 block as shown here:

http://img.clubic.com/photo/00509891.jpg


Hole visible here:
http://www.flightsim.no/shop/images/saitek_quad.jpg

Bump visible here:
http://www.ptchip.com/lojainf/images/t_00066939.jpg

fabianfred
04-04-2008, 05:54 PM
I'm still looking forward to being able to use the two aviator sticks on my desktop for a four-engined plane.....and it is nice that you can lock the two sliders together http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

triad773
08-15-2008, 12:36 PM
Any more news on this?

<Bumpage>

Urufu_Shinjiro
08-15-2008, 01:29 PM
Ditto, any luck on getting the saitek throttle quad working?

general_kalle
08-16-2008, 01:35 PM
as Fabianfred says i'd be very cool if it could be possible to use the two throttle levers on Saitek Aviator for different engines.

ffb
08-16-2008, 08:28 PM
I already use my two sliders on the AV8R for different engines on a twin engined plane with this software....
but I have two AV8R sticks and want to use them both for a four-engined plane
ATM I have to choose a different pilot without using this software to fly a four-engined plane in the usual way with only one throttle for all engines

floarm1978
11-10-2008, 04:20 PM
...I´ve some problems using Throttle with my CH Throttle Quadrant:
When I assign the functions to the different levers with this tool, I can control all engine together with every lever...
That means, that instead of controlling prop and rpm for left and right engine, I can control only rpm with every single lever for both engines...so the different levers have the same function (RPM for both engines)

Has anybody encountered the same problem?

viking4570
01-15-2009, 01:37 PM
Whatever happened with this project? Is this bit of software still available? The links are dead.

Thanks - viking4570

FCIProject2009
01-15-2009, 02:54 PM
Hey! I am still floating about http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Sorry to all concerned, I had to stop working on Throttle because my Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS/ME) got really bad and I could no longer support the software. This is the reason the download for Throttle was removed.

Apart from the problem floarm1978 has outlined, with his CH Quadrant, how are you folks getting on with the Throttle software?

A bit off topic... Sorry for letting you guys down, because of the CFS/ME, but I have finally found a treatment which I am confident will work; http://theperrinclinic.com/default.asp. Anyone in the UK, with CFS/ME, should check out this treatment.

With luck, I hope to start working on Throttle in the next few months. Maybe in time for Battle of Britain!

~S~

Gary
(Author of Throttle for IL2)

ffb
01-15-2009, 03:25 PM
nice to hear from you again...I hope you get better in this New Year

Choctaw111
01-15-2009, 10:01 PM
Nice to see you around. I hope you are soon well.
Did you loose your password? I noticed that you have a different username.

FCIProject2009
01-16-2009, 01:26 AM
Thanks for the that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I couldn't log in with my old ID. I knew the password, but it just wouldn't work. I hadn't logged onto the forum for months and I believe my account was disabled. I have had this problem before. This is why I have had several different IDs over the years http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

FCIProject2009
01-16-2009, 02:11 AM
I have wanted to make Throttle available to everyone, for a while now, and let people try it out. I have thought over how best I can make Throttle available for a free download, without upsetting the kind people who originally purchased my software.

I have now made Throttle a free download; http://www.ge-tec.co.uk/downlo...seCheck/Throttle.zip (http://www.ge-tec.co.uk/download/throttle/NoLicenseCheck/Throttle.zip)

At the the moment I cannot support Throttle so the free download comes without support or guarantee.

When I am ready, I am going to merge Throttle into my FCIProject software. For the people who originally purchased Throttle I will provide a free 'upgrade' to the new FCIProject based Throttle. I hope this arrangement will be OK with everyone.

Please feel free to download and try Throttle. Post your thoughts and suggestions, for Throttle, to this Thread.

~S~

Gary
The FCIProject

viking4570
01-18-2009, 06:57 AM
Thanks! and I hope you get well soon. --viking

triad773
01-18-2009, 10:39 AM
Thanks Gary!

Looking forward to tinkering with this.

Hope you are faring better than you were.

All the best-

Triad

Tab_Flettner
01-18-2009, 11:14 AM
Hi Gary!

Good luck with your recovery and thanks for this important work!

~S~!

Tab

FCIProject2009
01-18-2009, 12:13 PM
Thanks for the kind words, chaps. Much appreciated.

I have made my FCIProject website available; http://ge-tec.dyndns.org/FCIProject/ This is hosted on my server. I can't guarantee it will always be available because of ISP network issues. There also might be some broken links on there. The Links page has some good references on it.

Anyone know what happened to Beta Innovations? The site is closed; http://betainnovations.com/ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

~S~

Gary

Sokol__1
01-18-2009, 07:56 PM
Betainovations is out of business - I see this closure message. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif


http://forum.racesimcentral.co...3892138&postcount=11

Sokol1

FCIProject2009
01-20-2009, 02:17 PM
Shame, that link doesn't work.

Anyone know why Leo closed his business?

DHC120
07-13-2009, 04:06 PM
http://ge-tec.dyndns.org/FCIProject/

I tried to e-mail Gary, the post bounced. I've tried connecting to the above link, and his "ge-tec.co.uk" link, as well.. all I get is "Connection failed" notices.. few "404 not found".
Any body know how Gary is doing?
Chas.

FCIProject2009
07-14-2009, 01:14 PM
Hi Chas

I hope you have got my e-mail by now explaining my reasons for not being able to support Throttle.

My apologies for any problems this may cause.

Gary

Urufu_Shinjiro
07-14-2009, 03:45 PM
Originally posted by FCIProject2009:
Hi Chas

I hope you have got my e-mail by now explaining my reasons for not being able to support Throttle.

My apologies for any problems this may cause.

Gary

Any chance of putting up your source code so someone else can adopt this? I'm sorry you are unable to work on this as it's most likely not good things keeping you from it, and normally I wouldn't ask a programmer to reveal his code if ity's not open source but Throttle is a serious breakthrough for Il2, maybe putting it out there in an open source format may lead to someone adopting it and expanding it.

FCIProject2009
07-15-2009, 10:12 AM
Hi, things haven't been to bad. As mentioned in an earlier post I have been having Perrin Treatment for CFS over the last few months and I feel better and in a lot less pain.

My software development time is taken up with writing software for http://www.helicopter-simulators.com/. This is a consequence of my FCIProject and Throttle work. All my time is taken up on this work now and this is why I can't support Throttle.

If anyone really is interested in further developing Throttle I would be happy to supply the Java source code. I can be contacted at ge-tec 'at' ge-tec.co.uk.

~S~

Gary